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Salamualikum,

those that argue that there is proof in the Quran that says we must follow a Wilayat al-Faqih argue with this aya Surah Nisa aya 59

يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا۟ ٱلرَّسُولَ وَأُو۟لِى ٱلْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ ۖ فَإِن تَنَـٰزَعْتُمْ فِى شَىْءٍۢ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ وَٱلرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌۭ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا ٥٩

O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. Should you disagree on anything, then refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is the best and fairest resolution.
 
however there is hadith proclaiming that this ayah has no meaning for Wilayat in the form of us fallible people but that only the infallibles.
 

أبو بصير: سألت أبا عبد الله (عليه السلام) عن قول الله عز وجل (أطيعوا الله وأطيعوا الرسول وأولي الأمر منكم) * فقال: نزلت في علي بن أبي طالب والحسن والحسين (عليهم السلام)، فقلت له: إن الناس يقولون: فما له لم يسم عليا وأهل بيته (عليهم السلام) في كتاب الله عز وجل؟ فقال: قولوا لهم: إن رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) نزلت عليه الصلاة ولم يسم الله لهم ثلاثا ولا أربعا حتى كان رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) هو الذي فسر ذلك لهم، ونزلت عليه الزكاة ولم يسم لهم من كل أربعين درهما درهم حتى كان رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) هو الذي فسر ذلك لهم، ونزل الحج فلم يقل لهم طوفوا أسبوعا حتى كان رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) فسر ذلك لهم، ونزلت: * (أطيعوا الله وأطيعوا الرسول وأولي الأمر منكم) * ونزلت في علي والحسن والحسين.

(١) الكافي: ١ / ٢٨٦ / ١، شواهد التنزيل: ١ / ١٩١ / ٢٠٣، تفسير العياشي: ١ / ٢٤٩ / ١٦٩ كلاهما عن أبي بصير عن الإمام الباقر (عليه السلام).

Abu Baseer: I asked Abu Abdullah (peace be upon him) about the saying of God Almighty (Obey God and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you) * He said: It was revealed about Ali bin Abi Talib, Al-Hasan and Al-Hussein (peace be upon them), and I said to him: The people say: What is his Why were Ali and his family (peace be upon them) named in the Book of God Almighty? He said: Tell them: The Messenger of God (may God bless him and his family) came down on him and God did not name three or four for them until the Messenger of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him and his family) was the one who explained that to them, and the zakat was revealed to him and he did not name them out of every forty dirhams. A dirham until the Messenger of God (may God bless him and his family) was the one who explained that to them, and the Hajj was revealed, and he did not tell them to go around for a week until the Messenger of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him and his family) explained that to them, and it was revealed: * (Obey God, obey the Messenger and those in authority among you). * It was revealed about Ali, Hassan and Hussein.

(1) Al-Kafi: 1/286/1, evidence of downloading: 1/191/203, Tafsir al-Ayyashi: 1/249/169, both on the authority of Abi Baseer on the authority of Imam al-Baqir (peace be upon him).

عن جماعة بن سعد الخثعمي أنه قال: كان المفضل عند أبي عبد الله (عليه السلام) فقال له المفضل: جُعِلتُ فِداك، يفرضُ اللهُ طاعةَ عبدٍ على العبادِ ويحجبُ عنهُ خبرَ السماء؟
 قال: لا، اللهُ أكرمُ وأرحمُ وأرأفُ بعبادهِ مِنْ أنْ يفرضَ طاعةَ عبدٍ على العبادِ ثم يحجِبُ عنهُ خبرَ السماءِ صباحاً ومساءً.
المصادر:
أصول الكافي للكليني ج1 ص288
بصائر الدرجات للصفار ص ١٤٤
بحار الأنوار للمجلسي ج٢٦ ص ١٠٩.

On the authority of Ibn Saad Al-Khathami that he said: Al-Mufaddal was with Abu Abdullah (peace be upon him) and Al-Mufaddal said to him: May I be made your ransom, God imposes the obedience of a servant on the servants and  (that he ) withholds from him the news of heaven?
  He said: No, God is more generous, more merciful, and more merciful to His servants than forcing the obedience of a servant upon His servants and then withholding from him the news of the heavens, morning and evening.
Sources:
Usul al-Kafi by al-Kulayni vol.1, p. 288
Insights degrees for the yolks p. 144
Bihar Al-Anwar Al-Majlisi, Vol. 26, p. 109.

عن الإمام الصادق عليه السلام في حديث طويل للمفضل بن عمر قال:
(.... يا مفضل كل بيعة قبل ظهور القائم عليه السلام فبيعته كفر ونفاق وخديعة، لعن الله المبايَع لها والمبايِع له.....) 

بحار الأنوار - العلامة المجلسي - ج ٥٣ - الصفحة ٨

On the authority of Imam al-Sadiq, peace be upon him, in a long hadith of Mufaddal bin Omar, he said:
(.... O favored one, every pledge of allegiance before the appearance of the Qaim, peace be upon him, for his allegiance is blasphemy, hypocrisy and deceit, may God curse those who pledged allegiance to them and those who pledged allegiance to him.....)

Bihar al-Anwar - Allama al-Majlisi - Part 53 - Page 8

 عن الإمام أبي عبد الله جعفر بن محمد الصادق عليه السلام أنّه قال:
(يَقُومُ القَائِمُ وَلَيْسَ لأَحَدٍ في عُنُقِهِ عَهْدٌ وَلا عَقْدٌ وَلا بَيْعَةٌ).
مصادر الحديث:
* الكافي: ج١ ص٣٤٢ ح٢٧

On the authority of Imam Abi Abdullah Jaafar bin Muhammad al-Sadiq, peace be upon him, that he said:
(The Qa’im will stand, and there is no covenant, contract, or allegiance to anyone around his neck).
Hadith sources:
* Al-Kafi: Part 1, p. 342, h 27

الصحيفة السجادية (ابطحي) - الإمام زين العابدين (ع) - الصفحة ٦٢٣
فأسر رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله ذلك إلى علي وأهل بيته (1).
قال: ثم قال أبو عبد الله عليه السلام: " ما خرج ولا يخرج منا أهل البيت إلى قيام قائمنا أحد، ليدفع ظلما أو ينعش حقا، إلا اصطلمته البلية، وكان قيامه زيادة في مكروهنا وشيعتنا

Al-Sahifa al-Sajjadiyya (Abtahi) - Imam Zain al-Abidin (peace be upon him) - page 623
So the Messenger of God, may God bless him and his family, confided that to Ali and his family (1).
He said: Then Abu Abdullah, peace be upon him, said: “No one came out and none of us, the People of the House, until the rise of our Qa’im, to ward off injustice or revive a right, except that calamity struck him, and his rise was an increase in our hatred and our Shiites.”

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- باب اشتراط وجوب الجهاد بأمر الإمام واذنه، وتحريم الجهاد مع غير الإمام العادل (19954) 1

محمد بن يعقوب، عن محمد بن يحيى، عن محمد بن الحسين، عن علي بن النعمان، عن سويد القلاء، عن بشير (1) عن أبي عبد الله (عليه السلام) قال: قلت له: إني رأيت في المنام أني قلت لك إن القتال مع غير الامام المفترض طاعته حرام مثل الميتة والدم ولحم الخنزير فقلت لي: نعم هو كذلك، فقال أبو عبد الله (عليه السلام): هو كذلك هو كذلك

١) التهذيب ٦: ١٤١ / ٢٣٩ ((١) أضاف في نسخه: الدهان

 

Chapter: The requirement that jihad be obligatory by the order and permission of the imam, and the prohibition of jihad with someone other than the just imam (19954) 1 Muhammad ibn Yaqoub, on the authority of Muhammad ibn Yahya, on the authority of Muhammad ibn al-Husayn, on the authority of Ali ibn al-Nu`man, on the authority of Suwaid al-Qala, on the authority of Bashir (1) on the authority of Abu Abdullah (peace be upon him) who said: I said to him: I saw in a dream that I told you that fighting With someone other than the imam whose obedience is forbidden, such as carrion, blood, and pork, I said to me: Yes, it is. Abu Abdullah (peace be upon him) said: It is like that, it is like that.

1)     Al-Tahdheeb 6: 141 / 239 ((1) Added in his copy: Al-Dahan

 

16 - حدثنا أحمد بن محمد بن سعيد بن عقدة، قال: حدثنا أحمد بن يوسف بن يعقوب الجعفي أبو الحسن، قال: حدثنا إسماعيل بن مهران، قال: حدثنا الحسن بن علي بن أبي حمزة، عن أبيه ووهيب بن حفص، عن أبي بصير، عن أبي عبد الله (عليه السلام) أنه قال ذات يوم:

" ألا أخبركم بما لا يقبل الله عز وجل من العباد عملا إلا به؟

فقلت: بلى.

فقال: شهادة أن لا إله إلا الله، وأن محمدا عبده، والإقرار بما أمر الله، والولاية لنا، والبراءة من أعدائنا - يعني الأئمة خاصة -، والتسليم لهم، والورع والاجتهاد والطمأنينة، والانتظار للقائم (عليه السلام)، ثم قال: إن لنا دولة يجئ الله بها إذا شاء، ثم قال: من سره أن يكون من أصحاب القائم فلينتظر وليعمل بالورع ومحاسن الأخلاق وهو منتظر، فإن مات وقام القائم بعده كان له من الأجر مثل أجر من أدركه، فجدوا وانتظروا، هنيئا لكم أيتها العصابة المرحومة "

 

كتاب الغيبة - محمد بن إبراهيم النعماني - ج ١ - الصفحة ٢٠٥

 

16 - Ahmed bin Muhammad bin Saeed bin Uqdah told us, he said: Ahmed bin Youssef bin Yaqoub Al Jafi Abu Al Hassan told us, he said: Ismail bin Mahran told us, he said: Al Hassan bin Ali bin Abi Hamza told us, on the authority of his father, Waheeb bin Hafs, on the authority of Abi Baseer, On the authority of Abi Abdullah (peace be upon him) that he said one day:

“Shall I not inform you of what God, the Mighty and Sublime, does not accept from His servants a deed except by Him?

I said: Yes.

He said: Testifying that there is no god but God, and that Muhammad is His servant, acknowledgment of what God has commanded, the guardianship of us, innocence of our enemies - meaning the imams in particular - and submission to them, piety, diligence and tranquility, and waiting for the riser (peace be upon him), then he said: We have a state God brings it if He wills, then said: Whoever would like to be one of the companions of the Qaim, let him wait and act with piety and good morals while he is waiting.

The Book of Backbiting - Muhammad Bin Ibrahim Al-Nomani - Part 1 - Page 205

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Do you think that Imam would disagree with the nation of Iran who is fighting against Israel or the US government that's oppressing nations in the whole world. Do you think that Imam would disagree with them who want to maintain sanctity of religious places in Palestine. 

I don't think so brother.

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On 8/15/2022 at 11:07 PM, Salam123 said:

Salamualikum,

those that argue that there is proof in the Quran that says we must follow a Wilayat al-Faqih argue with this aya Surah Nisa aya 59

يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا۟ ٱلرَّسُولَ وَأُو۟لِى ٱلْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ ۖ فَإِن تَنَـٰزَعْتُمْ فِى شَىْءٍۢ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ وَٱلرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌۭ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا ٥٩

O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. Should you disagree on anything, then refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is the best and fairest resolution.
 
however there is hadith proclaiming that this ayah has no meaning for Wilayat in the form of us fallible people but that only the infallibles.
 

أبو بصير: سألت أبا عبد الله (عليه السلام) عن قول الله عز وجل (أطيعوا الله وأطيعوا الرسول وأولي الأمر منكم) * فقال: نزلت في علي بن أبي طالب والحسن والحسين (عليهم السلام)، فقلت له: إن الناس يقولون: فما له لم يسم عليا وأهل بيته (عليهم السلام) في كتاب الله عز وجل؟ فقال: قولوا لهم: إن رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) نزلت عليه الصلاة ولم يسم الله لهم ثلاثا ولا أربعا حتى كان رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) هو الذي فسر ذلك لهم، ونزلت عليه الزكاة ولم يسم لهم من كل أربعين درهما درهم حتى كان رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) هو الذي فسر ذلك لهم، ونزل الحج فلم يقل لهم طوفوا أسبوعا حتى كان رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) فسر ذلك لهم، ونزلت: * (أطيعوا الله وأطيعوا الرسول وأولي الأمر منكم) * ونزلت في علي والحسن والحسين.

(١) الكافي: ١ / ٢٨٦ / ١، شواهد التنزيل: ١ / ١٩١ / ٢٠٣، تفسير العياشي: ١ / ٢٤٩ / ١٦٩ كلاهما عن أبي بصير عن الإمام الباقر (عليه السلام).

Abu Baseer: I asked Abu Abdullah (peace be upon him) about the saying of God Almighty (Obey God and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you) * He said: It was revealed about Ali bin Abi Talib, Al-Hasan and Al-Hussein (peace be upon them), and I said to him: The people say: What is his Why were Ali and his family (peace be upon them) named in the Book of God Almighty? He said: Tell them: The Messenger of God (may God bless him and his family) came down on him and God did not name three or four for them until the Messenger of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him and his family) was the one who explained that to them, and the zakat was revealed to him and he did not name them out of every forty dirhams. A dirham until the Messenger of God (may God bless him and his family) was the one who explained that to them, and the Hajj was revealed, and he did not tell them to go around for a week until the Messenger of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him and his family) explained that to them, and it was revealed: * (Obey God, obey the Messenger and those in authority among you). * It was revealed about Ali, Hassan and Hussein.

(1) Al-Kafi: 1/286/1, evidence of downloading: 1/191/203, Tafsir al-Ayyashi: 1/249/169, both on the authority of Abi Baseer on the authority of Imam al-Baqir (peace be upon him).

عن جماعة بن سعد الخثعمي أنه قال: كان المفضل عند أبي عبد الله (عليه السلام) فقال له المفضل: جُعِلتُ فِداك، يفرضُ اللهُ طاعةَ عبدٍ على العبادِ ويحجبُ عنهُ خبرَ السماء؟
 قال: لا، اللهُ أكرمُ وأرحمُ وأرأفُ بعبادهِ مِنْ أنْ يفرضَ طاعةَ عبدٍ على العبادِ ثم يحجِبُ عنهُ خبرَ السماءِ صباحاً ومساءً.
المصادر:
أصول الكافي للكليني ج1 ص288
بصائر الدرجات للصفار ص ١٤٤
بحار الأنوار للمجلسي ج٢٦ ص ١٠٩.

On the authority of Ibn Saad Al-Khathami that he said: Al-Mufaddal was with Abu Abdullah (peace be upon him) and Al-Mufaddal said to him: May I be made your ransom, God imposes the obedience of a servant on the servants and  (that he ) withholds from him the news of heaven?
  He said: No, God is more generous, more merciful, and more merciful to His servants than forcing the obedience of a servant upon His servants and then withholding from him the news of the heavens, morning and evening.
Sources:
Usul al-Kafi by al-Kulayni vol.1, p. 288
Insights degrees for the yolks p. 144
Bihar Al-Anwar Al-Majlisi, Vol. 26, p. 109.

عن الإمام الصادق عليه السلام في حديث طويل للمفضل بن عمر قال:
(.... يا مفضل كل بيعة قبل ظهور القائم عليه السلام فبيعته كفر ونفاق وخديعة، لعن الله المبايَع لها والمبايِع له.....) 

بحار الأنوار - العلامة المجلسي - ج ٥٣ - الصفحة ٨

On the authority of Imam al-Sadiq, peace be upon him, in a long hadith of Mufaddal bin Omar, he said:
(.... O favored one, every pledge of allegiance before the appearance of the Qaim, peace be upon him, for his allegiance is blasphemy, hypocrisy and deceit, may God curse those who pledged allegiance to them and those who pledged allegiance to him.....)

Bihar al-Anwar - Allama al-Majlisi - Part 53 - Page 8

 عن الإمام أبي عبد الله جعفر بن محمد الصادق عليه السلام أنّه قال:
(يَقُومُ القَائِمُ وَلَيْسَ لأَحَدٍ في عُنُقِهِ عَهْدٌ وَلا عَقْدٌ وَلا بَيْعَةٌ).
مصادر الحديث:
* الكافي: ج١ ص٣٤٢ ح٢٧

On the authority of Imam Abi Abdullah Jaafar bin Muhammad al-Sadiq, peace be upon him, that he said:
(The Qa’im will stand, and there is no covenant, contract, or allegiance to anyone around his neck).
Hadith sources:
* Al-Kafi: Part 1, p. 342, h 27

الصحيفة السجادية (ابطحي) - الإمام زين العابدين (ع) - الصفحة ٦٢٣
فأسر رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله ذلك إلى علي وأهل بيته (1).
قال: ثم قال أبو عبد الله عليه السلام: " ما خرج ولا يخرج منا أهل البيت إلى قيام قائمنا أحد، ليدفع ظلما أو ينعش حقا، إلا اصطلمته البلية، وكان قيامه زيادة في مكروهنا وشيعتنا

Al-Sahifa al-Sajjadiyya (Abtahi) - Imam Zain al-Abidin (peace be upon him) - page 623
So the Messenger of God, may God bless him and his family, confided that to Ali and his family (1).
He said: Then Abu Abdullah, peace be upon him, said: “No one came out and none of us, the People of the House, until the rise of our Qa’im, to ward off injustice or revive a right, except that calamity struck him, and his rise was an increase in our hatred and our Shiites.”

There is tradition by Imam Hasan al-Askari in which he has ordered his shias to remain in contact with narrators of their Hadith. It is in this regard that Shias follow Maraja. 

About Wilayatul Faqih, it is separate concept in which a Supreme Jurist along with it's council ensures that country is following Shariah and propagates such values to other nations. He is guard that is responsible for safeguarding Islamic values in his domain. Thus, if a nation wants such a guardian, it can install such type office which is in accordance to Islam. A Wilyah Faqih in Iran is a Maraja, which you may not be following religiously such as Taqlid but politically you are bound to follow his decision because he represents majority of the nation

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I believe you are confusing two notions which is Imamate and Maraja/Ijithad/Taqleed. Imamate is something entirely different on a higher scale with authority from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). Taqleed is following those whom are the highest in terms of intellect and understanding of the religion who are capable of deducing jurisprudence and interpretation left by our prophets and imams. Marja do not make up their own rules they derive it based on the authority left by the chosen of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

“Concerning the events and issues that come up (that you don’t know the ruling of), refer to the narrators of our hadiths, for they are my (Imam Zaman ((عليه السلام).)) hujjahs (hujjah is a person who represents another, what the hujjah says is considered what the person who has appointed him has said, therefore disobeying the hujjah is considered the disobedience of his appointer.) upon you and I am Allah’s hujjah upon you.[5]

Read up and research please:

Why is it necessary to follow a marja’?
What is the relationship between wilayah and marja’iyyah?
Why do we have to follow only one marja’ and how is this matter proven through hadiths?

 
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قال أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام :
"....... إنما الطاعة لله ولرسوله (صلى الله عليه وآله) ولولاة الأمر، وإنما أمر الله بطاعة الرسول (صلى الله عليه وآله) لأنه معصوم مطهر لا يأمر بمعصية، وإنما أمر بطاعة اولي الأمر لأنهم معصومون مطهرون لا يأمرون بمعصيته."

بحار الأنوار - العلامة المجلسي - ج ٧٢ - الصفحة ٣٣٨

The Commander of the Faithful, peace be upon him, said:
“…….is only obedience to God and His Messenger (may God bless him and his family) and those in authority, and God only commanded to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of God be upon him and his family) because he is infallible and purified, he does not command disobedience, but rather commands obedience to those in authority because they are infallible, purified, and they do not order to disobey him. ."

Bihar al-Anwar - Allama al-Majlisi - Part 72 - Page 338

 

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It seems like you have trouble understanding there is no contradiction in that hadith. Maybe english is not your first language. That hadith is clearly talking about obedience and wilyah to the imamate as ordered by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to Prophet Muhammad (عليه السلام). and there is no contradiction to the system of taqleed in that regard.

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