Salman Rushdie stabbed

[Haji 2003]

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Author Salman Rushdie has been attacked onstage at an event in New York state and stabbed in the neck, police have confirmed.

Rushdie, the author whose writing led to death threats from Iran in the 1980s, was attacked on Friday morning as he was about to give a lecture in western New York.

An Associated Press reporter witnessed a man storm the stage at the Chautauqua Institution and begin assaulting Rushdie as he was being introduced. The author was taken or fell to the floor, and the man was restrained and taken into custody.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/aug/12/salman-rushdie-attacked-onstage-new-york

[Haji 2003]

Previous threads about Rushdie

(for those who need more context)

 

 

 

 

[Hasani Samnani]

Looking at pics in Daily mail article with blood spatter major artery was lacerated.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11106529/amp/Salman-Rushdie-75-stabbed-education-center-100-000-people-gather.html

Take into account 10 to 15 stabs according to witnesses and we are taking long surgery,  he will likely survive, but depends.... if he had a level 1, 2 or 3 zone of the neck Injury or combination.....how long his recovery will be and how difficult repairs will be and there will be risk of traumatic stroke and brain infarction.

One of my Doctor relatives said ...I hope he had large venous vessel injury and gets a sucking air embolism.

Rushdie was put under round-the-clock security at the expense of the British taxpayer when a $3 million bounty was put on his head. 

Ok here is the best line in the article...

He previously reported that he received a ‘sort of Valentines card’ from Iran each year letting him know the country has not forgotten the vow to kill him. 

Edited August 12, 2022 by Hasani Samnani

[Diaz]

He got stabbed by a 24 years old man, that man is from lebanon, he is pro hezbollah/pro iran. I hate salman rushdie but i have no idea why imam khomenei made fatwa for killing him even tho there are many ex-muslims who insulted allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and prophet muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). 

[Diaz]

Sharia doesnt work like this btw and I completely agree with what brother haji said below. 

 

 

[Silas]

I worry that this whole thing is going to cause more anti-Iranian sentiment, or excuses for such views, in the west

such events serve as convenient excuses for certain people ....

[kadhim]

Pure savagery. Leave it to our community to try to murder someone 40 years after the fact for a book they have never even read. What a pathetic display. 

[Abu Nur]

3 hours ago, Diaz said:

He got stabbed by a 24 years old man, that man is from lebanon, he is pro hezbollah/pro iran. I hate salman rushdie but i have no idea why imam khomenei made fatwa for killing him even tho there are many ex-muslims who insulted allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and prophet muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). 

Any confirmation to that information?

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He previously reported that he received a ‘sort of Valentines card’ from Iran each year letting him know the country has not forgotten the vow to kill him. 

In year 1998 the Iranian authorities informed that they will not implement the fatwah.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Abu Nur

[Diaz]

1 hour ago, Abu Nur said:

Any confirmation to that information?

Of what? The young man? His name is Hadi Matar, you can check him up on google. 

[Abu_Zahra]

It took about 40 years.

[علوي]

I hate Salman Rushdie with a burning passion. I couldn't be happier that this happened.

However, I do think that it wasn't ideal. He should have been executed properly after being put on trial or something. 

I don't know why Ayatollah Khomeini (may Allah bless his soul) issued the fatwa on killing him. The Iranian government has since retracted this fatwa.

Another thing which needs to be considered is that Salman Rushdie was taking things from actual hadiths. He wasn't just making it up - he was looking through Wahhabi hadiths and he just put them in a book. It's nothing new that the Wahhabis didn't believe in before.

This is why we need Quran AND Ahlulbayt (a).

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows best.

[Ashvazdanghe]

8 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

In year 1998 the Iranian authorities informed that they will not implement the fatwah.

This has been statement of some authorities which it has not nulifieid the Fatwa .

2 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

The Iranian government has since retracted this fatwa.

No , it's a wrong conclusion anyway some people likewise some members of reformist party  have tried to retracted this fatwa which at end of the day they couldn't do it .

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Marandi wrote in a tweet: "I will not shed tears for a writer who pours endless hatred and contempt towards Muslims and Islam. An imperial foot soldier who posing as a postcolonial novelist.

من برای نویسنده ای که نفرت و تحقیر بی پایان نسبت به مسلمانان و اسلام می ریزد اشک نمی ریزم. پیاده‌نظام امپراتوری که خود را به عنوان یک رمان نویس پسااستعماری نشان می دهد.

 

9 hours ago, Silas said:

I worry that this whole thing is going to cause more anti-Iranian sentiment, or excuses for such views, in the west

such events serve as convenient excuses for certain people ....

Hi it has not been inevitable which would happen one day anyway it's in similar fashion of adding a straw on a heavy load which when we are in in Iran are under heavy sanctions so then stabbing him doesn't change anything for us anyway it will has a negative impact on new JCPOA negotiations which there was many doubts about it's success.

[Ashvazdanghe]

11 hours ago, Diaz said:

imam khomenei made fatwa for killing him even tho there are many ex-muslims who insulted allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and prophet muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). 

He has done his duty which when Rushdie has insulted to Islam in his book , insulting to islam has been a rare thing also also his book has been very effective about insulting Islam but on the other hand insulting of ex-muslims is just their mouthpiece which has no serious impact on Islam which also shows their ignorance about Islam .

2 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

I don't know why Ayatollah Khomeini (may Allah bless his soul) issued the fatwa on killing him.

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

2 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

It took about 40 years.

Salam time doen't matter because Fatwa about killing him by imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) is a timeless  Fatwa until his death whether natural or non natural .

[Ashvazdanghe]

9 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

One of my Doctor relatives said ...I hope he had large venous vessel injury and gets a sucking air embolism.

 

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Novelist Salman Rushdie on ventilator after New York stabbing

After hours of surgery, Rushdie was on a ventilator and unable to speak on

 

By Kanishka Singh

 and Jonathan Allen

 

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"The news is not good," Andrew Wylie, his book agent, wrote in an email. "Salman will likely lose one eye; the nerves in his arm were severed; and his liver was stabbed and damaged."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/author-salman-rushdie-attacked-stage-event-new-york-sky-news-2022-08-12/

[Haji 2003]

Evolution of Rushdie's views

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In February 1989, Rushdie expressed remorse, saying: ‘‘I profoundly regret the distress that publication has occasioned to sincere followers of Islam.” 

 

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In 1990, Rushdie again expressed remorse, said he embraced the Islamic faith, did not agree with views expressed by characters in the novel and opposed the book’s publication in paperback. 

Iranian response:

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But Khamenei rejected the apology, quoting his predecessor as saying: “Even if he repents and becomes the most pious Muslim on Earth, there will be no change in this divine decree.”

Seems harsh, but then ...

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In 1997, a reformist Iranian president, Sayyid Mohammad Khatami, took office and began signalling that he would no longer actively seek to execute the fatwa on Rushdie.

Rushdie expressed relief at the assurances offered by Khatami’s government, and said he had no regrets over his book, even after spending a decade in hiding.

And then ...

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“The Satanic Verses is as important in my body of work as any of my other books,” he said. He recanted his 1990 claim to embrace Islam, admitting he had said it to get the fatwa lifted. Asked if he was a Muslim, he replied: “I am happy to say that I am not.”

Man of principle

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He has called his effort to appease extremists by affirming his faith and calling for the withdrawal of the book the “biggest mistake of my life”.

[Ashvazdanghe]

 

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Marandi wrote in a tweet: "I will not shed tears for a writer who pours endless hatred and contempt towards Muslims and Islam. An imperial foot soldier who posing as a postcolonial novelist.

من برای نویسنده ای که نفرت و تحقیر بی پایان نسبت به مسلمانان و اسلام می ریزد اشک نمی ریزم. پیاده‌نظام امپراتوری که خود را به عنوان یک رمان نویس پسااستعماری نشان می دهد.

اما، آیا عجیب نیست که با نزدیک شدن به توافق هسته‌ای احتمالی، آمریکا ادعاهایی در مورد تلاش برای کشتن جان بولتون مطرح کرده
و اکنون این اتفاق می‌افتد؟ (ترور رشدی)

But, isn't it odd that as the possible nuclear deal approaches, the US has made claims about an attempt to kill John Bolton?
And this is happening now? (Rushdi assassination)

 

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https://www.khabaronline.ir/news/1661374/ارزیابی-مشاور-تیم-مذاکره-ایران-از-همزمانی-توافق-هسته-ای-احتمالی

[Diaz]

2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

https://www.khabaronline.ir/news/1661374/ارزیابی-مشاور-تیم-مذاکره-ایران-از-همزمانی-توافق-هسته-ای-احتمالی

So what’s that supposed to mean? Usa did it to blame Iran/Iran supporters?

[Ashvazdanghe]

11 minutes ago, Diaz said:

So what’s that supposed to mean? Usa did it to blame Iran/Iran supporters?

Salam It's a political chess which USA has tried to to hit two targets with one arrow which is one is checkmating Iran in negotiations then forcing Iran to accept any conditions from USA also they will get rid of heavy budget of protectinng him .

[VoidVortex]

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

the nerves in his arm were severed

if its the arm he used to write the filth he wrote, then it will be a sweet kind of justice

[Ashvazdanghe]

24 minutes ago, VoidVortex said:

if its the arm he used to write the filth he wrote, then it will be a sweet kind of justice

I don't know because all reports about his condition are vague.

[Hasani Samnani]

2 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

 

Another thing which needs to be considered is that Salman Rushdie was taking things from actual hadiths. He wasn't just making it up - he was looking through Wahhabi hadiths and he just put them in a book. It's nothing new that the Wahhabis didn't believe in before.

This is why we need Quran AND Ahlulbayt (a).

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows best.

This is an excellent point, while there was dream sequence from the book, which I read , that was made up, but many of the actual sunni hadith were used to create some of the filth.

It's important that one realizes that degradation of Rasoolullah persona and character assassination was done by his so called Followers and documented extensively,  that's why I have a big problem with ilm al rijaal.

it doesn't ever take into consideration how much and how many people the Ummayad and Abbasid regimes paid off to write such filth. 

[Haji 2003]

Odd view of democracy

For someone so exercised about freedom of speech (and you'd assume related concepts) ... it's odd that Rushdie anticipated Chalabi as a future leader of Iraq. Chalabi ended up as being the Americans favourite/puppet, though obviously not someone the Iraqis supported in any number.

 

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Until recently, however, the Bush people weren't giving them the time of day, and even made rude remarks about Dr Ahmed Chalabi, the most likely first leader of a democratised Iraq.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/nov/02/iraq.salmanrushdie

 

Chalabi also seemed to rely on a 'made in Madison Avenue' television advertising campaign to get elected, likely a cultural misstep from his American advisors used to what works in their country.

The article I have linked to is a sophisticated piece of writing, it makes various anti-American observations, but concludes that an invasion would be a good thing.

For someone so exercised about his own suffering Rushdie says not a single word about the impact of UN sanctions on Iraqis. To find out more about that you'd need to read the work of the Australian journalist John Pilger.

[Haji 2003]

15 minutes ago, Hasani Samnani said:

but many of the actual sunni hadith were used to create some of the filth.

This is very true. Satanic Verses is a sustained exercise in the use of Sunni Hadith to make derogatory remarks about the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)).

I refused to buy the book, but a non-Muslim friend lent it to me when it first came out in 1988, so I had a quick browse. Anyway I gave it back after one day, because I had nightmares the one night it was at home. I never have nightmares.

[Hasani Samnani]

2 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

For someone so exercised about his own suffering Rushdie says not a single word about the impact of UN sanctions on Iraqis. To find out more about that you'd need to read the work of the Australian journalist John Pilger.

John Pilger is one of those principled journalists not afraid to speak truth to power.

Haji makes an excellent point here and in the development of his views and back and forth he engaged in to save his pitiful life.

My question Is if Rushdie was Murtad, and who unlike others who keep their beliefs to themselves,  he broadcast his anti Islamic views in an effort to misguide others then beyond just character assassination of Rasoolullah,  he was Satanic in his orientation himself.

[Hasani Samnani]

9 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Chalabi also seemed to rely on a 'made in Madison Avenue' television advertising campaign to get elected, likely a cultural misstep from his American advisors used to what works in their country.

Rushdie was another public relations product from Fleet st and K street campaigns,  too bad he decided to spearhead this evil plot.

he had 30+ yrs to repent.

Makr was Makrullah,  Inallah khaiurul Makeyreen. 

Edited August 13, 2022 by Hasani Samnani

[Guest Kaz]

Salam alaykum, its funny seeing some people reaction even though they identify as Muslims , Imam Khomeini was acting within the boundaries  of Islam when he issued the fatwa and the killing of Murtad is something that exist in Islam , so if you have a problem with it , its with Islam essentially. 

[Diaz]

1 hour ago, Guest Kaz said:

Salam alaykum, its funny seeing some people reaction even though they identify as Muslims , Imam Khomeini was acting within the boundaries  of Islam when he issued the fatwa and the killing of Murtad is something that exist in Islam , so if you have a problem with it , its with Islam essentially. 

Lol no one has problem, we just wanted to know why he made fatwa to kill a specific murtad, why not all murtads who are lying about Islam and insulted Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and prophet Muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). Anyway brother ashv made sense above. 

[Abu Hadi]

17 hours ago, Diaz said:

He got stabbed by a 24 years old man, that man is from lebanon, he is pro hezbollah/pro iran. I hate salman rushdie but i have no idea why imam khomenei made fatwa for killing him even tho there are many ex-muslims who insulted allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and prophet muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). 

Here is the original fatwa (translated)

https://irandataportal.syr.edu/fatwa-against-salman-rushdie

The Iranian government made it clear in 1998 that they have no intention of pursuing the fatwa, so the fatwa is basically null and void, although not technically because a marjaa can't override the fatwa of another marjaa, but they can nullify it, basically, by either being silent or actively refraining their followers from following it. So the brother who did this was acting on his own. 

At the same time, this is not a 'freedom of speech' issue, as it is portrayed in the Western Press. You need to understand the context. In 1988, when the fatwa was issued, it wasn't common place, as it is today, to have major publications openly insulting Islam and the Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h). So we have to look at it in the world of 1988, not the world of today, in which these types of insults have taken root. 

The other issue is that this very mediocre to poor work of fiction (I read it before I was muslim, when I was starting high school. I read alot in that period, and I could tell a good work from a mediocre one) is not worthy of getting mass distribution, i.e. millions of copies published, on the first run. This is almost unprecedented that a mediocre book by an unknown author (he was not a well known author at the time the book was published) could get this kind of distribution and attention. So Rushdie's actual crime was a 'muslim' collaborating with the enemies of Islam in order to spread corruption on earth vis a via his book. In 1988, most people read books on a regular basis, not like today. This is a crime that is punishable by death in Sharia law. That is why Imam Khomeni((رضي الله عنه)) issued the fatwa. 

As others have said, there are many like Rushdie who do this, and fatwas are not issued against the vast majority of them. It doesn't mean that a marjaa' 'can't' issue the fatwa, it just means that most of the time they don't because they don't want the political and media backlash to harm muslims. They don't do it because most of the time the person who does it is protected by the Intelligence services so noone can get to them, but the average muslim is harmed and possibly the religion of Islam is harmed due to the 'spinning' and misrepresentation of the reason(s) for the fatwa that are depicted in the Western Press. So mostly the Muslims in Western countries are harmed, and not the actual person who did the crime. Marjaa' do not make their fatwas in a vacumn, and they realize this, which is why these fatwas are rare. Imam Khomeni(رضي الله عنه) had a different opinion in this case. 

 

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by Abu Hadi

[AbdusSibtayn]

8 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Evolution of Rushdie's views

 

Iranian response:

Seems harsh, but then ...

And then ...

Man of principle

 

6 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Odd view of democracy

For someone so exercised about freedom of speech (and you'd assume related concepts) ... it's odd that Rushdie anticipated Chalabi as a future leader of Iraq. Chalabi ended up as being the Americans favourite/puppet, though obviously not someone the Iraqis supported in any number.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/nov/02/iraq.salmanrushdie

 

Chalabi also seemed to rely on a 'made in Madison Avenue' television advertising campaign to get elected, likely a cultural misstep from his American advisors used to what works in their country.

The article I have linked to is a sophisticated piece of writing, it makes various anti-American observations, but concludes that an invasion would be a good thing.

For someone so exercised about his own suffering Rushdie says not a single word about the impact of UN sanctions on Iraqis. To find out more about that you'd need to read the work of the Australian journalist John Pilger.

He was an Afghan war apologist and a 'War on Terror' facilitator, beside being a serial sexual fiend and wife-abuser too. His ex-wife has recorded his perversion in her memoirs. 

Another piece of filth presaging the likes of Hirsi Ali, Ali Sina, Tasleema Nasreen, Tarek Fatah, Tawhidi and Harris Sultan ('Apostate Prophet' channel fame), whose singular contribution to human civilization is catering to the Netanyahus, Boltons, Le Pens and Geert Wilderses of the world, flushed down the toilet for good. 

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by AbdusSibtayn

[Abu_Zahra]

2 hours ago, Guest Kaz said:

Salam alaykum, its funny seeing some people reaction even though they identify as Muslims , Imam Khomeini was acting within the boundaries  of Islam when he issued the fatwa and the killing of Murtad is something that exist in Islam , so if you have a problem with it , its with Islam essentially. 

Wa alaikum as salam

I am interested in seeing the reaction from the Muslim world.

Last week anti Iran protestors burnt a Quran in front of the Islamic center of Hamburg in Germany,  yet most of the normally vocal Muslims kept silent perhaps because they were confused how to react to the confrontation to an Iranian linked mosque (forgetting that the Quran is not an Iranian or Shiite book, rather a universal book dear to all Muslims)

Somehow I think the militant elements that usually get emboldened by such events will take a meeker approach when it is suggested that Iran was involved.

Apparently burning the Quran or insulting the Prophet becomes less problematic for some Muslims when it Iran is in the picture. 

[Haji 2003]

42 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

This is almost unprecedented that a mediocre book by an unknown author (he was not a well known author at the time the book was published) could get this kind of distribution and attention.

Just a quick point of clarification. 

His previous book Midnight's Children won the UKs Booker Prize. In 1981 the New Yorker wrote a gushing review.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1981/07/27/two-novels

So he had a profile though mainly in literary circles, but not the level of international notoriety that he would subsequently get.

There is one other notable point about Midnight's Children. Some text was offensive to Indhira Gandhi (the Indian Prime Minister) and she took him to court. He was forced to delete text as part of the settlement.

Curiously that point is never raised when Rushdie and his supporters opine about freedom of speech. This book has more details, click the link for access to some of it via Google Books:

Mishra, V., 2018. Annotating Salman Rushdie: Reading the Postcolonial. Routledge India.

Arguably the Satanic Verses was supposed to propel him to build on the commercial success and he had greater ambitions in terms of being offensive.

[Abu Hadi]

What I mean by 'well known' author is he was no Oprah Winfrey,JK. Rowling, or Tom Clancy. Only authors on that level get millions of copies printed on first run of a publishing. Which means there was something else going on. 'Midnight's Children' was popular amoung the wannabe intelligentsia set, not alot of people. If you asked 20 average Americans in 1987 who is Salman Rushdie (and I know because I was alive in 1987, unlike most here), I doubt even 1 would know who he was.  In 1988 20/20 would have known who he was. Which was why he did it in the first place, for attention. He wanted attention, now he got it, and he's on a ventilator.

c'est la vie

Such is life. 

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by Abu Hadi

[Hasani Samnani]

17 hours ago, kadhim said:

Pure savagery. Leave it to our community to try to murder someone 40 years after the fact for a book they have never even read. What a pathetic display. 

Sorry brother I respect your enlightened views most of the time,  but pure savagery is killing a million Iraqi children, killing and making destitute millions of Yemenis, Syrians,  Libyans,  Afganis,  and the lists is truly  endless.  Cluster bombs and mines produced for profit. Or using an Atomic bomb indiscriminately and sentencing generations to radiation poisoning and continuing today with depleted uranium munitions , That's savagery bro.

While everything is relative , but there is something as pure unadulterated evil and something one might find distasteful or disturbing.

And just for academic discussion @kadhim, if he had read the book or excerpts and the Fatwa, would he  then be justified ?

If he does have major liver, Nerve and  vascular injuries,  in the US trauma system he will survive a knife attack 90% of the time,  but he will be in world of pain for whatever life he has left and will be given plenty of time to repent and consider his actions.

Allah has Indeed again shown him mercy for his detestable and prideful evil actions.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Hasani Samnani

[VoidVortex]

1 hour ago, Abu Hadi said:

 

The Iranian government made it clear in 1998 that they have no intention of pursuing the fatwa, so the fatwa is basically null and void, although not technically because a marjaa can't override the fatwa of another marjaa, but they can nullify it, basically, by either being silent or actively refraining their followers from following it. So the brother who did this was acting on his own. 

Sayed Khamenei has re-affirmed the fatwa in the past