Is there an intellectual reason why imamah is necessary

[sunni muslim]

I don't know about alislam.com but here is what I got as to why the imam is necessary from one of your sites. 

(Explanation of this evidence:Kindness means - according to most Muslims - it is what brings the servant closer to obedience and keeps him away from disobedience, and does not reach the point of exclusion and reparation, because at that time it would be incompatible with choice and assignment.

   An approximate example of this:as if an international company manufactures a complex electronic device and puts it on the market, here it is obligatory for it to explain and clarify its details to people, and follow up on its application by them until the desired benefit is achieved from it, otherwise people remain confused about how to benefit from the mentioned device, The same is the case when God Almighty sends messengers and prophets with His messages and books, it is necessary to appoint someone who will explain these messages and follow their application from the people until they actually benefit from them. . 

  And this task - that is, the task of clarifying and following up on the application - may be carried out by the Prophet or Messenger in addition to his informative character, as is the case with Ibrahim (peace be upon him), who was granted the Imamate after granting him prophecy and message, and as is the case with our Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him and his family). ) who was a messenger and imam at the same time, because in addition to the task of reporting - the task of clarification and follow-up on the application.

   With this point of view, the time of the Imamate may extend beyond the life of the Prophet and the Messenger, because there is a need to clarify the rest of the rulings in the Sharia, and to follow up on their application, which could not be explained and applied in the era of the Messenger.)

https://alrasd.net/arabic/islamicheritagee/628

So basically, there is a need of an imam at all time, because there is a need to clarify the rest of rulings in the sharia, and to follow up on their application, which couldn't be explained or applied in the era of the messenge. Why doesn't the 12th imam clarify rest of rulings and follow up on their application, explain the Quran and sunnah in an infallible way so that we could benifit from him in the religion. Why is he in major occultation for 1200 years. 

[ShiaMan14]

17 minutes ago, sunni muslim said:

I don't know about alislam.com but here is what I got as to why the imam is necessary from one of your sites. 

(Explanation of this evidence:Kindness means - according to most Muslims - it is what brings the servant closer to obedience and keeps him away from disobedience, and does not reach the point of exclusion and reparation, because at that time it would be incompatible with choice and assignment.

   An approximate example of this:as if an international company manufactures a complex electronic device and puts it on the market, here it is obligatory for it to explain and clarify its details to people, and follow up on its application by them until the desired benefit is achieved from it, otherwise people remain confused about how to benefit from the mentioned device, The same is the case when God Almighty sends messengers and prophets with His messages and books, it is necessary to appoint someone who will explain these messages and follow their application from the people until they actually benefit from them. . 

  And this task - that is, the task of clarifying and following up on the application - may be carried out by the Prophet or Messenger in addition to his informative character, as is the case with Ibrahim (peace be upon him), who was granted the Imamate after granting him prophecy and message, and as is the case with our Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him and his family). ) who was a messenger and imam at the same time, because in addition to the task of reporting - the task of clarification and follow-up on the application.

   With this point of view, the time of the Imamate may extend beyond the life of the Prophet and the Messenger, because there is a need to clarify the rest of the rulings in the Sharia, and to follow up on their application, which could not be explained and applied in the era of the Messenger.)

https://alrasd.net/arabic/islamicheritagee/628

So basically, there is a need of an imam at all time, because there is a need to clarify the rest of rulings in the sharia, and to follow up on their application, which couldn't be explained or applied in the era of the messenge. Why doesn't the 12th imam clarify rest of rulings and follow up on their application, explain the Quran and sunnah in an infallible way so that we could benifit from him in the religion. Why is he in major occultation for 1200 years. 

Are you in agreement with the bold,red text?

Your question was why is imamah necessary. Now you've accepted that Prophet Ibrahim (عليه السلام) and Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) were Imams. So we've established that Imamah is necessary.

All follow-up questions should be another topic, no?

[Borntowitnesstruth]

6 hours ago, sunni muslim said:

Again I don't have time to go on sites and copy their long arguments and refute them. Answer the question or don't waste my time

Few Main duties of an Imam are:

1. Expounding Quran and Hadith;

2. Reviving Islamic values in society;

3. Serving as centers of knowledge for their ummah.

[Muslim2010]

1 hour ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Are you in agreement with the bold,red text?

Your question was why is imamah necessary. Now you've accepted that Prophet Ibrahim (عليه السلام) and Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) were Imams. So we've established that Imamah is necessary.

All follow-up questions should be another topic, no?

The prophet was the last prophet of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), he was also an Imam. No one denies.

The prophet hood has ended and no prophet can ever come after him.  There is no verse of quran that states the prophet was last Imam. Thus it is clear that this rank of chosen representatives of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is continued till present time and afterwards till the last day of our ummah. This also confirms the presence of a guided imam by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) commands.

wasalam

Edited August 12, 2022 by Muslim2010

[Borntowitnesstruth]

1 hour ago, sunni muslim said:

Why doesn't the 12th imam clarify rest of rulings and follow up on their application, explain the Quran and sunnah in an infallible way so that we could benifit from him in the religion. Why is he in major occultation for 1200 years. 

Why Mosa (عليه السلام) disappeared for 10 more nights from Bani Israel? The reason was that people can be tried so that Allah (عزّ وجلّ) makes it clear who are believers and who are disbelievers. These kind of trials have happened in the past and now we are going through it. 

[Muslim2010]

1 hour ago, sunni muslim said:

Why doesn't the 12th imam clarify rest of rulings and follow up on their application, explain the Quran and sunnah in an infallible way so that we could benifit from him in the religion. Why is he in major occultation for 1200 years. 

As per history of Islam 11 earlier Imams from the progeny of the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) were killed and martyred by the oppressors of the  ummah and tyrant rulers. Thus Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has kept back his last sign keeping away from our eyes in occultation period. The same is true for the prophet Esa (عليه السلام) that is alive and away from our eyes.

When Imam Mahdi is permitted by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to appear to our eyes he will come out and the prophet Esa as will also come and he will say prayer behind imam Mahdi (عليه السلام).

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is the ultimate authority that permits guidance for the nation or a person and even the prophet has assigned responsibility to deliver the message only. Likewise the Imam Mahdi has been kept away from our eyes for this test and trial period of the ummah so that the believers and who do not believe in the right guidance from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) as defined in the hadiths  can be segregated.

wasalam

Edited August 12, 2022 by Muslim2010

[sunni muslim]

1 hour ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Are you in agreement with the bold,red text?

Yes. 

 

1 hour ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Your question was why is imamah necessary

My question was why there must be an infallible imam at all times. Shias says because of the kindness of God. How could God leave this religion without any living hujjah. Well the 12 th one didn't benifit us in any aspect of religion. Neither quran, sunnah, tafseer, usool ul fiqh, fiqh, nothing. 

 

2 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Now you've accepted that Prophet Ibrahim (عليه السلام) and Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) were Imams. So we've established that Imamah is necessary.

Sorry to break your heart, you didn't. Just because we believe prophet and prophet ibrahim as imam, it doesn't mean we believe that we believe there must be an imam all the time like you believe. 

 

44 minutes ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

Few Main duties of an Imam are:

1. Expounding Quran and Hadith;

2. Reviving Islamic values in society;

3. Serving as centers of knowledge for their ummah

Good. Now explain to me, why didn't the imam come out of his major occultation and start doing these duties like expounding quran and hadith. What knowledge did he provide you that we can't get from anywhere else. 

 

46 minutes ago, Muslim2010 said:

The prophet was the last prophet of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), he was also an Imam. No one denies.

The prophet hood has ended and no prophet can ever come after him.  There is no verse of quran that states the prophet was last Imam. Thus it is clear that this rank of chosen representatives of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is continued till present time and afterwards till the last day of our ummah. This also confirms the presence of a guided imam by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) commands.

wasalam

Sorry. It doesn't prove that. Just because there is no verse that says about the ending of imams doesn't mean that there must be an imam at all time. And what benifits in religion could a hidden imam who is in occultation for 1200 years provide?

[Borntowitnesstruth]

24 minutes ago, sunni muslim said:

Good. Now explain to me, why didn't the imam come out of his major occultation and start doing these duties like expounding quran and hadith. What knowledge did he provide you that we can't get from anywhere else. 

As far the question why didn't he come out of occultation and resume his duties, it's upon Allah (عزّ وجلّ) to decide like it was upon him to end the stay period of Hazrat Moses (عليه السلام). 

As far what knowledge he provides us that we can't get from anyone else, I would like to tell you that Imams are vicegerents that remove disputes relating to various fields of science and make the truth clear as reported by past histories and this knowledge cannot be provided by anyone else. However, as we are in occultation period, we are, for now, barred from having such a facility like Bani Israel were barred from the support of Hazrat Mosa (عليه السلام). But, when the occultation ends, we will be blessed with such a blessing.

[sunni muslim]

15 minutes ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

As far the question why didn't he come out of occultation and resume his duties, it's upon Allah (عزّ وجلّ) to decide like it was upon him to end the stay period of Hazrat Moses (عليه السلام).

It's a contradiction. You first believe that it is obligatory upon God that he must appoint an imam who could explain quran and sunnah, and what not, and then you also believe that Allah has taken away the imam from our sight, which resulted in him not explaining the religion, and when asked why, you say it's upon Allah to decide when he (the imam) would start his duties. Either it is necessary for God to appoint an imam to do his religious duties, or it is not obligatory upon God to do that. Choose one. 

[Cool]

10 minutes ago, sunni muslim said:

You first believe that it is obligatory upon God that he must appoint an imam who could explain quran and sunnah, and what not, and then you also believe that Allah has taken away the imam from our sight, which resulted in him not explaining the religion, and when asked why, you say it's upon Allah to decide when he (the imam) would start his duties.

Do you believe in Allah? Do you believe in Quran? 

[ShiaMan14]

2 hours ago, sunni muslim said:

Yes. 

 

My question was why there must be an infallible imam at all times. Shias says because of the kindness of God. How could God leave this religion without any living hujjah. Well the 12 th one didn't benifit us in any aspect of religion. Neither quran, sunnah, tafseer, usool ul fiqh, fiqh, nothing. 

Sorry to break your heart, you didn't. Just because we believe prophet and prophet ibrahim as imam, it doesn't mean we believe that we believe there must be an imam all the time like you believe. 

Silly me, I was going by the title of this thread, "Is there an intellectual reason why imamah is necessary "

So you believe in Imamah. The only remaining discussion is perpetuity of the Imamah. Correct?

 

[Cool]

1 hour ago, sunni muslim said:

It's a contradiction. You first believe that it is obligatory upon God that he must appoint an imam who could explain quran and sunnah,

Like we first believe that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has sent the Prophet:

هُوَ الَّذِي بَعَثَ فِي الْأُمِّيِّينَ رَسُولًا مِنْهُمْ يَتْلُو عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتِهِ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَإِنْ كَانُوا مِنْ قَبْلُ لَفِي ضَلَالٍ مُبِينٍ {2}

[Shakir 62:2] He it is Who raised among the inhabitants of Mecca an Messenger from among themselves, who recites to them His communications and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom, although they were before certainly in clear error,

And

هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَىٰ وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْمُشْرِكُونَ {9}

[Shakir 61:9] He it is Who sent His Messenger with the guidance and the true religion, that He may make it overcome the religions, all of them, though the polytheists may be averse.

But would it become a contradiction when we also believe that:

إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا جَمْعَهُ وَقُرْآنَهُ {17}

[Shakir 75:17] Surely on Us (devolves) the collecting of it and the reciting of it.

فَإِذَا قَرَأْنَاهُ فَاتَّبِعْ قُرْآنَهُ {18}

[Shakir 75:18] Therefore when We have recited it, follow its recitation.

ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا بَيَانَهُ {19}

[Shakir 75:19] Again on Us (devolves) the explaining of it.

So Although verse 61:9 mentions one of the task of sending Prophet as "that He may make it overcome the religions, all of them", but this is not yet happened. So would it become a contradiction? 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

21 hours ago, sunni muslim said:

Post the rloss and duties here. 

Salam for further detail & avoiding of repeating visit https://en.wikishia.net/view/Imamate which everything has been described by full details & exammples.

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Philosophy

Since Sunnis consider imam only a political leader of the society, they mention establishment of a government, performance of ordinary responsibilities of the government and management of the society as the philosophy for the existence of imam.

For example, from Mu'tazilite viewpoint, performing religious rulings, guarding the existence of the Islamic society, preparing and mobilizing soldiers to fight with the enemy and such affairs are included in responsibilities of the Imam.^[34]

However, Twelver Shi'a have stated two kind of goals for the existence of Imam. The first kind are the same practical goals and benefits Sunnis have mentioned. Accordingly, preserving the Muslims' social system, establishing social justice, Islamic rulings especially those with collective aspects and performing religious punishments have been mentioned among the goals of imamate. However, another area which covers the most important goals of imamate include: delivering, preserving and explaining religion.

 

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Delivering Religion

From the Twelver Shi'a viewpoint, God has revealed religion to the Prophet (s) in complete form and the Prophet (s) has delivered it to Imams (a) in complete form so that they gradually explain all the rulings to people.

 

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Guarding Religion

Another criterion which necessitates the existence of imam and is mentioned among philosophies of the existence of imam is guarding religion. Accordingly, existence of imam helps religion to be saved from alterations, because the Qur'an has neither explained the details of rulings, nor does it speak by itself and needs interpretation. 

 

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Explaining Religious Teachings

Among other factors which necessitate the existence of Imam is explanation of those religious rulings and teachings which have not been explained by the Prophet (s) due to lack of time and appropriate situation and they have been left to imam for explanation.

for further detail & avoiding of repeating visit https://en.wikishia.net/view/Imamate which everything has been described by full details & exammples.

[Ashvazdanghe]

17 hours ago, sunni muslim said:

I don't know about alislam.com but here is what I got as to why the imam is necessary from one of your sites

alislam.org belongs to Ahmadiyya but on the other hand https://www.al-islam.org is a reliable shia site which when you don't know right address of website so then it shows your ignorance .

17 hours ago, sunni muslim said:

So basically, there is a need of an imam at all time, because there is a need to clarify the rest of rulings in the sharia, and to follow up on their application, which couldn't be explained or applied in the era of the messenge. Why doesn't the 12th imam clarify rest of rulings and follow up on their application, explain the Quran and sunnah in an infallible way so that we could benifit from him in the religion. Why is he in major occultation for 1200 years. 

your rest  of rhetoric is jus a copy cat from below thread from banned member @Alif rahman

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

 

 

[Borntowitnesstruth]

16 hours ago, sunni muslim said:

It's a contradiction. You first believe that it is obligatory upon God that he must appoint an imam who could explain quran and sunnah, and what not, and then you also believe that Allah has taken away the imam from our sight, which resulted in him not explaining the religion, and when asked why, you say it's upon Allah to decide when he (the imam) would start his duties. Either it is necessary for God to appoint an imam to do his religious duties, or it is not obligatory upon God to do that. Choose one. 

There is example of Hazrat Younus (عليه السلام) who was kept hidden in the belly of fish from his ummah till an appointed time so that his ummah may understand his significance. So, when his ummah realized, he was made known to his ummah and he lived a happy life afterwards guiding people. It was not that he didn't want to do his duty, but Allah (عزّ وجلّ) wanted for him honor so that his teachings may be adhered and not that it be rejected.

Occultation for us bears same significance.

[sunni muslim]

22 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

So you believe in Imamah. The only remaining discussion is perpetuity of the Imamah. Correct?

I don't believe in anything which shia believes regarding imamah. And perpetuity of imamah is one of reasons I dont believe in it. 

 

21 hours ago, Cool said:

So Although verse 61:9 mentions one of the task of sending Prophet as "that He may make it overcome the religions, all of them", but this is not yet happened. So would it become a contradiction?

It doesn't. It says he sent the prophet to make his religion manifest or prevail over others. Which he did. He made Islam prevailed over other religions. 

11 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam for further detail & avoiding of repeating visit https://en.wikishia.net/view/Imamate which everything has been described by full details & exammples.

 

 

 

for further detail & avoiding of repeating visit https://en.wikishia.net/view/Imamate which everything has been described by full details & exammples.

You didn't understand the question. If Allah is obliged to appoint an imam who should do all of these, why didn't he came out of his ghaybah al kubra and start doing those. 

 

9 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

your rest  of rhetoric is jus a copy cat from below thread from banned member @Alif rahman

Doesn't matter. Answer the question. It doesn't matter where do i copied my argument. Either answer the question or don't Waste our time. 

 

6 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

There is example of Hazrat Younus (عليه السلام) who was kept hidden in the belly of fish from his ummah till an appointed time so that his ummah may understand his significance. So, when his ummah realized, he was made known to his ummah and he lived a happy life afterwards guiding people. It was not that he didn't want to do his duty, but Allah (عزّ وجلّ) wanted for him honor so that his teachings may be adhered and not that it be rejected.

Occultation for us bears same significance.

You are comparing apples with oranges. No one believes that a prophet must be there at every time for his people. It's you who believe that and taunt sunnis that how can they believe Allah to leave this religion without an infallible guide. It is against Allah's kindness and on and on. While it is more nonsensical to say that Allah leaved his religion with a hidden imam who didn't benifitted us in our deen for 1200 years. 

Edited August 13, 2022 by sunni muslim

[Cool]

40 minutes ago, sunni muslim said:

It says he sent the prophet to make his religion manifest or prevail over others. Which he did. He made Islam prevailed over other religions.

Unfortunately, neither Abul Aala Mowdudi nor Ibn Katheer agreed with your tafseer. Here is what Mowdudi said in his tafseer:

"Now let us try to understand the significance of this verse. The object of the Mission of the Messenger is to make the Guidance and the Right Way he has brought from Allah dominant over all the other ways and systems of life. In other words, the Messenger is not sent to allow Allah's Way to remain subordinate to other ways in order to enjoy concessions from them. He is sent by the Sovereign of the earth and the heavens to make His Way dominant over all other ways. And if a wrong way is at all allowed to remain on the earth, it should be tolerated only under its own protection by the payment of Jizyah under the limits conferred by the Divine System as in the cast of the system of life of the Zimmis who pay Jizyah."

إِنَّ اللهَ زَوَى لِي الْأَرْضَ مَشَارِقَهَا وَمَغَارِبَهَا، وَسَيَبْلُغُ مُلْكُ أُمَّتِي مَا زُوِيَ لِييِمنْهَا »

(Allah made the eastern and western parts of the earth draw near for me (to see), and the rule of my Ummah will extend as far as I saw.)

[sunni muslim]

Just now, Cool said:

Unfortunately, neither Abul Aala Mowdudi nor Ibn Katheer agreed with your tafseer. Here is what Mowdudi said in his tafseer:

"Now let us try to understand the significance of this verse. The object of the Mission of the Messenger is to make the Guidance and the Right Way he has brought from Allah dominant over all the other ways and systems of life. In other words, the Messenger is not sent to allow Allah's Way to remain subordinate to other ways in order to enjoy concessions from them. He is sent by the Sovereign of the earth and the heavens to make His Way dominant over all other ways. And if a wrong way is at all allowed to remain on the earth, it should be tolerated only under its own protection by the payment of Jizyah under the limits conferred by the Divine System as in the cast of the system of life of the Zimmis who pay Jizyah."

إِنَّ اللهَ زَوَى لِي الْأَرْضَ مَشَارِقَهَا وَمَغَارِبَهَا، وَسَيَبْلُغُ مُلْكُ أُمَّتِي مَا زُوِيَ لِييِمنْهَا »

(Allah made the eastern and western parts of the earth draw near for me (to see), and the rule of my Ummah will extend as far as I saw.)

Sorry. Abu ala maududi is not an agreed upon sunni scholar. 

[sunni muslim]

8 minutes ago, Cool said:

Unfortunately, neither Abul Aala Mowdudi nor Ibn Katheer agreed with your tafseer. Here is what Mowdudi said in his tafseer:

"Now let us try to understand the significance of this verse. The object of the Mission of the Messenger is to make the Guidance and the Right Way he has brought from Allah dominant over all the other ways and systems of life. In other words, the Messenger is not sent to allow Allah's Way to remain subordinate to other ways in order to enjoy concessions from them. He is sent by the Sovereign of the earth and the heavens to make His Way dominant over all other ways. And if a wrong way is at all allowed to remain on the earth, it should be tolerated only under its own protection by the payment of Jizyah under the limits conferred by the Divine System as in the cast of the system of life of the Zimmis who pay Jizyah."

إِنَّ اللهَ زَوَى لِي الْأَرْضَ مَشَارِقَهَا وَمَغَارِبَهَا، وَسَيَبْلُغُ مُلْكُ أُمَّتِي مَا زُوِيَ لِييِمنْهَا »

(Allah made the eastern and western parts of the earth draw near for me (to see), and the rule of my Ummah will extend as far as I saw.)

And even if we agree with this tafseer. It still doesn't prove any thing. Prophet (عليه السلام) when he was in mecca he manifest it over all religions that were there in his place and time. Later he became the ruler of Arabia and Islam prevailed. He did his job he was sent to while your imam doesn't do anything. In the time of minor occultation his deputies were more focused in khums collection rather than explaining religion. He said refer to the narrators of hadith for new matters. Why the heck do we refer to the narrations when you are the imam. If narrations were sufficient for us, then why the need of an imam. Doesn't you believe that quran and sunnah doesn't have detailed rulings that's why God has to sent an infallible hujjah who could expound the quran and sunnah. 

Edited August 13, 2022 by sunni muslim

[Cool]

12 minutes ago, sunni muslim said:

And even if we agree with this tafseer. It still doesn't prove any thing. Prophet (عليه السلام) when he was in mecca he manifest it over all religions that were there in his place and time. Later he became the ruler of Arabia and Islam prevailed. He did his job he was sent to while your imam doesn't do anything. In the time of minor occultation his deputies were more focused in khums collection rather than explaining religion. He said refer to the narrators of hadith for new matters. Why the heck do we refer to the narrations when you are the imam. If narrations were sufficient for us, then why the need of an imam. Doesn't you believe that quran and sunnah doesn't have detailed rulings that's why God has to sent an infallible hujjah who could expound the quran and sunnah. 

 Sorry to break your heart, but here is something important for you:

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لَتُمْلَأَنَّ الأرضُ ظلمًا وعدوانًا ، ثُمَّ لَيَخْرُجَنَّ رجلٌ مِنْ أهلِ بيتِي ، حتَّى يملأَها قِسْطًا وعدلًا ، كما مُلئَتْ ظلمًا وعدوانًا

الراوي : أبو سعيد الخدري | المحدث : الألباني | المصدر : صحيح الجامع | الصفحة أو الرقم : 5074 | خلاصة حكم المحدث : صحيح

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لو لم يبقَ منَ الدُّنيا إلَّا يومٌ لطوَّلَ اللَّهُ ذلِكَ اليومَ حتَّى يَبعثَ فيهِ رجلًا منِّي - أو من أَهْلِ بيتي - يواطئُ اسمُهُ اسمي ، واسمُ أبيهِ اسمُ أبي يملأُ الأرضَ قِسطًا وعدلًا ، كما ملئت ظُلمًا وجَورًا . وفي لفظٍ لا تذهبُ - أو لا تَنقضي - الدُّنيا حتَّى يملِكَ العربَ رجلٌ من أَهْلِ بيتي ، يواطئُ اسمُهُ اسمي

الراوي : عبدالله بن مسعود | المحدث : الألباني | المصدر : صحيح أبي داود

الصفحة أو الرقم: 4282 | خلاصة حكم المحدث : حسن صحيح

التخريج : أخرجه أبو داود (4282) واللفظ له، والترمذي (2231) مختصراً

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مِن أشْراطِ السَّاعةِ وعلاماتِها: خُروجُ رجلٍ من أهْلِ بيْتِ النَّبيِّ صلَّى اللهُ عليهِ وسلَّم ويوافِق اسمُه اسمَ النَّبيِّ صلَّى اللهُ عليهِ وسلَّم، يَملأُ الأرضَ بالعدْلِ، وهو المهديُّ المنتظَر.
وفي هذا الحَديثِ يقولُ الرَّسولُ صلَّى اللهُ عليهِ وسلَّم: "لو لم يبْقَ من الدُّنيا إلَّا يومٌ"، أي: لو فُرِض أنْ لا يَبقى من أيَّامِ الدُّنيا إلَّا يومٌ واحِدٌ، "لطوَّلَ اللهُ ذلك اليومَ"، أي: يمُدُّ في وقْتِه حتَّى يَطولَ، "حتَّى يَبعَثَ" اللهُ تَعالى، "فيهِ"، أي: ذلك اليومِ، "رجلًا مِنِّي"، أي: مِن ذرِّيَّةِ النَّبيِّ صلَّى اللهُ عليهِ وسلَّم، "أو"؛ الشَّكُّ من الرَّاوي، "من أهْلِ بَيْتي"، أي: من أهْلِ بيْتِ النَّبيِّ صلَّى اللهُ عليهِ وسلَّم، "يُواطِئُ"، أي: يوافِقُ ويطابِقُ، "اسْمُه اسْمي"؛ فيكونُ اسمُه محمَّدًا، "واسْمُ أبيهِ اسْمَ أبي"، أي: يوافِقُ اسمُ أبيهِ اسمَ أبي النَّبيِّ صلَّى اللهُ عليهِ وسلَّم، فيكونُ اسمُ أبيهِ عبدَ اللهِ فيكونُ اسمُ المهديِّ محمَّدَ بنَ عبدِ اللهِ، "يَملأُ الأرضَ"، أي: وجْهَ الأرضِ، "قِسْطًا"، أي: عدْلًا، "وعدْلًا" وهو تأْكيدٌ لِما قبلَها، "كما مُلِئتْ" الأرضُ قبلَ ظهورِهِ، "ظُلمًا"، "وجَوْرًا"، أي: ظلمًا، وهو تأكيدٌ لِما قبلَه أيضًا.

 

[Cool]

Should I translate them if your google translate is working slow your majesty? 

 

[Cool]

Your Majesty, you came here to debunk something. It appears that, that something has debunked you 

Checkmate!!

[Cool]

@ShiaMan14, @Muslim2010, @Abu Nur, @Hasani Samnani

Brothers, please offer condolence to @sunni muslim 

[sunni muslim]

29 minutes ago, Cool said:

 Sorry to break your heart, but here is something important for you:

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لَتُمْلَأَنَّ الأرضُ ظلمًا وعدوانًا ، ثُمَّ لَيَخْرُجَنَّ رجلٌ مِنْ أهلِ بيتِي ، حتَّى يملأَها قِسْطًا وعدلًا ، كما مُلئَتْ ظلمًا وعدوانًا

الراوي : أبو سعيد الخدري | المحدث : الألباني | المصدر : صحيح الجامع | الصفحة أو الرقم : 5074 | خلاصة حكم المحدث : صحيح

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لو لم يبقَ منَ الدُّنيا إلَّا يومٌ لطوَّلَ اللَّهُ ذلِكَ اليومَ حتَّى يَبعثَ فيهِ رجلًا منِّي - أو من أَهْلِ بيتي - يواطئُ اسمُهُ اسمي ، واسمُ أبيهِ اسمُ أبي يملأُ الأرضَ قِسطًا وعدلًا ، كما ملئت ظُلمًا وجَورًا . وفي لفظٍ لا تذهبُ - أو لا تَنقضي - الدُّنيا حتَّى يملِكَ العربَ رجلٌ من أَهْلِ بيتي ، يواطئُ اسمُهُ اسمي

الراوي : عبدالله بن مسعود | المحدث : الألباني | المصدر : صحيح أبي داود

الصفحة أو الرقم: 4282 | خلاصة حكم المحدث : حسن صحيح

التخريج : أخرجه أبو داود (4282) واللفظ له، والترمذي (2231) مختصراً

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مِن أشْراطِ السَّاعةِ وعلاماتِها: خُروجُ رجلٍ من أهْلِ بيْتِ النَّبيِّ صلَّى اللهُ عليهِ وسلَّم ويوافِق اسمُه اسمَ النَّبيِّ صلَّى اللهُ عليهِ وسلَّم، يَملأُ الأرضَ بالعدْلِ، وهو المهديُّ المنتظَر.
وفي هذا الحَديثِ يقولُ الرَّسولُ صلَّى اللهُ عليهِ وسلَّم: "لو لم يبْقَ من الدُّنيا إلَّا يومٌ"، أي: لو فُرِض أنْ لا يَبقى من أيَّامِ الدُّنيا إلَّا يومٌ واحِدٌ، "لطوَّلَ اللهُ ذلك اليومَ"، أي: يمُدُّ في وقْتِه حتَّى يَطولَ، "حتَّى يَبعَثَ" اللهُ تَعالى، "فيهِ"، أي: ذلك اليومِ، "رجلًا مِنِّي"، أي: مِن ذرِّيَّةِ النَّبيِّ صلَّى اللهُ عليهِ وسلَّم، "أو"؛ الشَّكُّ من الرَّاوي، "من أهْلِ بَيْتي"، أي: من أهْلِ بيْتِ النَّبيِّ صلَّى اللهُ عليهِ وسلَّم، "يُواطِئُ"، أي: يوافِقُ ويطابِقُ، "اسْمُه اسْمي"؛ فيكونُ اسمُه محمَّدًا، "واسْمُ أبيهِ اسْمَ أبي"، أي: يوافِقُ اسمُ أبيهِ اسمَ أبي النَّبيِّ صلَّى اللهُ عليهِ وسلَّم، فيكونُ اسمُ أبيهِ عبدَ اللهِ فيكونُ اسمُ المهديِّ محمَّدَ بنَ عبدِ اللهِ، "يَملأُ الأرضَ"، أي: وجْهَ الأرضِ، "قِسْطًا"، أي: عدْلًا، "وعدْلًا" وهو تأْكيدٌ لِما قبلَها، "كما مُلِئتْ" الأرضُ قبلَ ظهورِهِ، "ظُلمًا"، "وجَوْرًا"، أي: ظلمًا، وهو تأكيدٌ لِما قبلَه أيضًا.

 

Narrations prophecising al mahdi. Whose name would be Muhammad bin abdullah. You doesn't even know what you're quoting. Your mahdi is the son of hasan askari, whose name is muhammad bin hasan, the mahdi prophecised is Muhammad bin abdullah. 

Sorry genius, it still doesn't explain why your imam is in major occultation instead of doing his duties. 

18 minutes ago, Cool said:

Your Majesty, you came here to debunk something. It appears that, that something has debunked you 

Checkmate!!

It didn't. Try again later. 

[Hasani Samnani]

I wonder what the Islamic teaching is on zombies and vampire existence.  

19 minutes ago, Cool said:

@ShiaMan14, @Muslim2010, @Abu Nur, @Hasani Samnani

Brothers, please offer condolence to @sunni muslim 

I was about to offer a Innalillah...

and now to quote a few great movies

HE'S BAAAAACK...

[Cool]

14 minutes ago, sunni muslim said:

Narrations prophecising al mahdi.

Although the narrations does mention Mehdi (عليه السلام), but I have quoted all these narrations to show how Islam will become dominant in his time that he will fill the earth, the whole earth with قِسطًا وعدلًا 

And this is the true ta'veel of verse 61:9.

So once again, checkmate. This is called hunting two prey with one arrow. Established the Imamate of Mehdi (عليه السلام) as well as given younthe true ta'veel of verse 61:9 & 9:33 whichever you prefer. 

[Hasani Samnani]

1 hour ago, sunni muslim said:

Sorry. Abu ala maududi is not an agreed upon sunni scholar. 

You forgot ibn katheer , the go to tafseer for Salafis of all persuasions.

[Hasani Samnani]

1 hour ago, sunni muslim said:

Unfortunately, neither Abul Aala Mowdudi nor Ibn Katheer agreed with your tafseer. 

Reading is fundamental. 

[Hasani Samnani]

28 minutes ago, sunni muslim said:

 it still doesn't explain why your imam is in major occultation instead of doing his duties. 

This is beyond your Ken.

I wouldn't try to hard bro you might hurt yourself.

Somethings are beyond some people's limited understanding. The depth required is not always possible for some  despite multiple proofs, Quranic,  Hadith and AhlulBayt documented evidence. 

Abstract thinking just like abstract art is not perceptible to all, it's for a limited few.

Lakum Deeno kum waliya deen.

[ShiaMan14]

3 hours ago, sunni muslim said:

I don't believe in anything which shia believes regarding imamah. And perpetuity of imamah is one of reasons I dont believe in it. 

Hmmm, I could have sworn you said Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and Hz Ibrahim (عليه السلام) were Imams.

Who is your Imam today?

[ChattingwithShias]

Because most people are stupid, and Muslims particularly (see the news).

Any Joe Schmo reading verses in the Qur'an, some of which are very sharp and violent sounding, can be extremely dangerous. Imagine an angry Muslim youth living in a ghetto in France reading Surah 9 and there are terrorist recruiters around.

There has to be a final word on the proper interpretation.

[Mohamad_ali]

On 8/11/2022 at 3:48 PM, sunni muslim said:

Reply to this question. Why is quran and sunnah not enough? 

Which Sunna? Both Sunni and Shi'a cant agree within their schools let alone outside what is real and what is fabricated.

Why was it that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) did not just send the book & the Sunna in perfect untouchable unchangeable form? Why did we need a messenger & prophet to carry the book?

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) gave us the perfect messenger ﷺ who's character and life are the heart of the perfect word, The Quran. Through his actions and deeds he practically demonstrated, ran a course, conducted a seminar, gave a lecture on the perfect way to live your life. We all agree on that.

Then you have two view, a) says - man has been wicked and deviant since Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) created him, and after 23years of guidance im gonna let them work it out. Pick their own leaders, im sure they will make a few mistakes but im sure they will find a way.

Or b) Allah after the Prophet ﷺ left us with the book and his purified progeny. Guides with nothing new, but a perfect understanding of the Quran and the Sunnah who will guide man to the right path.

If i'm given a choice i'm going with b. Between the wickedness of man, his desire for this world and the thousands of years of history that prove his wickedness, we can be sure that if we need anything we need guidance.

its logical - i'm not sure why your finding it hard to understand. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) did not abandon us to the whims of wicked men.

[guess]

48 minutes ago, Mohamad_ali said:

Or b) Allah after the Prophet ﷺ left us with the book and his purified progeny. Guides with nothing new, but a perfect understanding of the Quran and the Sunnah who will guide man to the right path.

If i'm given a choice i'm going with b. Between the wickedness of man, his desire for this world and the thousands of years of history that prove his wickedness, we can be sure that if we need anything we need guidance.

Just like the argument against atheism , better to err on the side of caution and hedge your bets I think.

[Mohamad_ali]

11 minutes ago, guess said:

Just like the argument against atheism , better to err on the side of caution and hedge your bets I think.

Simplistically yes.

I don't believe there is an answer that will guide someone who is looking to argue as apposed to someone who is looking to be informed. On a very simple human logical level it just makes sense that we wouldn't be left alone.

I don't care if Abu Bakr, Ummar and Uthman were perfect upright men who strived to do their best, they are fallible and proved so. I have no issue with anyone that respects or loves them ... some people like Obama some like Trump but even their strongest supporters will agree they are not perfect.

My Imam (عليه السلام) is perfect in the knowledge of islam because Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) purified his noble family (عليه السلام) and left them to guide us to the right path. The suffering they endured to fulfill this noble duty is a lesson to humanity, there is no price to high to pay in the service of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) - the least I can do is honor their sacrifice. That starts by accepting that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) placed them under the guidance of his greatest creation Mohamad ﷺ, purified them and chose them after the Prophet ﷺ to lead.