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8 hours ago, Muhammed Ali said:

 

I recently saw a short video by Mufti Menk about Ashura. The ignorance was astounding. He said both sides were duped by a third party into hating and fighting each other.

Thanks for letting me know this, brother. Another 'scholar' to add to the tabarra list. 

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On 8/10/2022 at 10:46 AM, AbdusSibtayn said:

By the way, I just saw  Michaela Peterson's (Jordan Peterson's daughter) video on Islam after her recent 'conversion' to Christianity. She's laughing at the Quran this time and parroting the same Boogeymen like 'wife-beating', 'barbaric', 'backward' which the neocon and alt-right anti-Muslim pundits always do. Heh. 

This family of pathological pseudo-intellectual quacks should come out in the open and make Muslim-baiting their family business. After her father's failed attempt at posing as a public intellectual, it's her attempt at keeping the hearth heated by keeping their far-right conservative Christian audience hooked. No quackish posseurism this time. No pretense at being polished or intellectual. Just your regular Muslim- baiting, the kind you'd expect from Fox News, Bill Maher or Tucker Carlson

Waiting to see her progressively WASP tradwife and e-Karen avatars too. 

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I don’t believe that these people should be considered “far-right,” “conservative,” or “Christian.” They are largely products of secularisation. For example, traditional Christianity held that wives should attend to their domestic duties, wear headscarves, and not get involved their husbands’ prerogatives, e.g., politics. Yet we have seen plenty of “conservative” female activists go about uncovered while actively, publicly promoting their husbands’ political careers, or even assuming positions of political authority themselves, e.g., Sarah Palin, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and so on. Strangely, not one “conservative Christian” has called out these women for engaging in un-Christian activities such as seeking political power and going about immodestly uncovered in public. A few hundred years ago this would have been unthinkable, even in the West.

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Conservative politicians often support ―family values, including a more traditional familial structure with relatively strict gender roles. A female politician‘s support of this family model creates an interesting contradiction, as participating in public office necessarily involves stepping outside of the home and traditional role of a wife and mother.

I proudly call myself a conservative feminist. One question liberal feminists would do well to ask themselves is why most American women today reject the label ‗feminist‘ (Palin, 2010a, p. 136).

I believe women and men have important differences, but those differences don‘t include the ability of women to work just as hard as men (if not harder) and to be just as effective as men (if not more so). I also consider myself a grateful beneficiary of the movement for female equality, particularly Title IX…So I proudly call myself a conservative feminist. (Palin, 2010a, p. 139)

This new crop of female leaders represents a return to what the women‘s movement originally was. The women‘s movement used to be about honoring for women the same God-given rights that our country honored for men. It used to be about dignity and hope. It used to be about respecting women by respecting their choices—whether it is to be a nuclear engineer or stay-at-home mom. (Palin, 2010a, p. 156)

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As far as the “far right” is concerned, I think that Muslims should stop relying on tropes to criticise traditionalist white Christians while siding with liberal-globalist “Jewish” NGOs on matters such as immigration (open borders), multiculturalism, etc. Muslims end up twisting themselves into pretzels by, on the one hand, supporting Holocaust revisionism and denouncing Zionism yet, on the other hand, siding with the liberal wing of Zionism against the “racist far right/white supremacy.” After all, left-wing, “Islam-friendly/multicultural” Zionism is seemingly just as bad, from an Islamic perspective, as right-wing, “anti-Islamic/nationalist” Zionism, if not more so in some respects. After all, liberal Zionism is more dominant than conservative Zionism in elite MSM, academia, entertainment, finance, etc. Liberal Zionists support social liberalism along with mass immigration and “diversity.”

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On 9/5/2022 at 4:19 PM, Northwest said:

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I don’t believe that these people should be considered “far-right,” “conservative,” or “Christian.” They are largely products of secularisation. For example, traditional Christianity held that wives should attend to their domestic duties, wear headscarves, and not get involved their husbands’ prerogatives, e.g., politics. Yet we have seen plenty of “conservative” female activists go about uncovered while actively, publicly promoting their husbands’ political careers, or even assuming positions of political authority themselves, e.g., Sarah Palin, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and so on. Strangely, not one “conservative Christian” has called out these women for engaging in un-Christian activities such as seeking political power and going about immodestly uncovered in public. A few hundred years ago this would have been unthinkable, even in the West.

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As far as the “far right” is concerned, I think that Muslims should stop relying on tropes to criticise traditionalist white Christians while siding with liberal-globalist “Jewish” NGOs on matters such as immigration (open borders), multiculturalism, etc. Muslims end up twisting themselves into pretzels by, on the one hand, supporting Holocaust revisionism and denouncing Zionism yet, on the other hand, siding with the liberal wing of Zionism against the “racist far right/white supremacy.” After all, left-wing, “Islam-friendly/multicultural” Zionism is seemingly just as bad, from an Islamic perspective, as right-wing, “anti-Islamic/nationalist” Zionism, if not more so in some respects. After all, liberal Zionism is more dominant than conservative Zionism in elite MSM, academia, entertainment, finance, etc. Liberal Zionists support social liberalism along with mass immigration and “diversity.”

I meant to say that her content caters to both these constituencies- the anti-Muslim evangelical Christians (who are not traditional Christians) as well as their 'secular' neoconservative allies who view Islam as a geopolitical threat and want to reinstate a unipolar Euro-American centric order, with or without strict adherence to Christianity. 

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https://1-1265-11328-1.b.cdn13.com/media/a7radio/misc/video/22/oct/perer.mp4

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Peterson said: "As Jews in Israel, are you telling the greatest story ever told? Well, you decide that by how you live. And what you do will affect the world - for one reason or another, it's not so easy to understand, everyone looks here to see, well, how are you actually doing, under this tremendous assault of adversarial criticism, as this little, tiny people in the middle of no man's land in some real sense, as a -what would you say - cardinal model of the nation-state and the city on the hill. You have a tremendous moral responsibility, like you have, perhaps, for your entire history, for reasons that are very difficult to understand, and I think it is true, in some real sense, that the fate of the world depends on the decisions of the people of Israel. Just as the fate of the world depends on the decision of every individual, so you make yourself a shining light on the hill, right? You attract people here because of what you're capable of doing. You show the world what the holy city could look like. Because we need it. We need it, and it's up to you to do it. Thank you very much."

 

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He is a clinical psychologist but he has experimented with harmful drugs to combat his depression:

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In consequence, I asked my family physician to increase my dose of benzodiazepine, so that I would not be preoccupied by nor preoccupy others with my anxiety. Unfortunately, I experienced a marked increase in negative emotion following the adjustment. I asked to have the dosage raised yet again (by this time, we were attempting to deal with the second of Tammy’s surgeries and its complications, and I attributed my even more severe anxiety to that problem), but my anxiety increased even further. I attributed all of this not to a paradoxical reaction to the medication (which it was later diagnosed as), but to the recurrence of a tendency toward depression that had plagued me for years. In any case, I ceased using the benzodiazepine entirely in May of [2019], trying two doses of ketamine within a week, as suggested by a psychiatrist with whom I consulted. Ketamine, a nonstandard anesthetic/psychedelic, sometimes has overwhelming and sudden positive effects on depression. It produced nothing for me but two ninety-minute trips to hell. I felt to my bones as if I had everything to feel guilty and ashamed about, with nothing gained by my positive experiences.

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A family friend—a physician—enlightened me as to the dangers of sudden benzodiazepine withdrawal. I therefore started to take a benzodiazepine once again—but a smaller dose than I had climbed to previously. Many, but not all, of my symptoms abated. To deal with those that remained, I also began to take an antidepressant that had been of great use to me in the past. All it did, however, was make me exhausted enough to require an additional four or more hours of sleep a day—which was not helpful in the midst of Tammy’s serious health issues—as well as increase my appetite two- or threefold.

https://www.madinamerica.com/2021/03/beyond-benzos-jordan-peterson/

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8 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Now all the beard-thobe terminally online clowns and the e-shaykhs who turned him into a mujaddid have some answering to do. 

Daniel Haqiqatjou / I was wrong about Jordan Peterson

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On 10/14/2022 at 7:53 AM, AbdusSibtayn said:

Harbī kāfir. :hahaha:

Now all the beard-thobe terminally online clowns and the e-shaykhs who turned him into a mujaddid have some answering to do. 

I, for one, have done a full 180 in my opinion of him.

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On 7/14/2022 at 4:21 PM, Dubilex said:

Jordan Peterson is one the best intellectual minds of our time

Philosopher Wes Cecil:

 

Peterson makes a lot of mistakes in many areas. Including theology. He says some useful things and he is in some ways intellectually capable, but he is a troubled person and that leads to numerous and constant mistakes.

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On 10/15/2022 at 10:10 PM, Muhammed Ali said:

Philosopher Wes Cecil:

 

Peterson makes a lot of mistakes in many areas. Including theology. He says some useful things and he is in some ways intellectually capable, but he is a troubled person and that leads to numerous and constant mistakes.

Definitely. His so-called message to muslims was incredibly tone deaf.

But when it comes to fighting against the woke movement, social media censorship and those transgender pronoun pushers, he is second-to-none. Wish muslims would take a stronger stand against the whole LGBTQ cult

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On 10/14/2022 at 5:15 PM, -Rejector- said:

I, for one, have done a full 180 in my opinion of him.

Don't love him 100% and don't hate him 100%...take the good and leave the rest

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If, at any point, Peterson seemed attractive to you, you need to pause and reflect and ask yourself why. Why would you be attracted to such a pathetic figure? What is it about his pathetic behaviour and ideology that appealed to you? 

If it is his hate and anger at The Other that appealed to you, then you must do some soul-searching and see why hate and anger appeal to you. 

I hope, once and for all, we can realize how pathetic he is and view him alongside other losers such as his buddy Shapiro. 

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5 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

 Why would you be attracted to such a pathetic figure? What is it about his pathetic behaviour and ideology that appealed to you?

Some people are attracted to him because they are unaware of alternatives. He is loud enough to be heard and those that like him tend not to search for alternatives, instead they receive what is pushed towards them. Comments under his Youtube videos thank him for his knowledge and for changing people's lives. All these people have to do is use the search bar on Youtube to find other academics who are saner than Peterson.

I might as well add another video:

 

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On 11/10/2022 at 9:39 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

Don't love him 100% and don't hate him 100%...take the good and leave the rest

Only that there's nothing 'good' worth taking from him in the first place. He's a narcissistic, anti-Muslim quack whose quackery and the demagogy appeals to the lowest rabble of the world's intellectual spectrum- the same constituency which tails boggarts like David Wood, Geert Wilders and Trump, along with some 'Muslim' incel-ish beta akh-right TradCons who are ridden with inferiority complex due to being faced with the challenges of modernity and real-life women. His grasp of everything he poses to be an authority on is worse than that of a college freshman. After Zizek single-handedly exploded the myth of his carefully crafted, fake intellectual prowess in the spring of 2019,he has been more and more like the rabid canine who keeps snarling and baring his fangs when pushed to the wall. 

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On 11/17/2022 at 8:12 PM, SoRoUsH said:

If, at any point, Peterson seemed attractive to you, you need to pause and reflect and ask yourself why. Why would you be attracted to such a pathetic figure? What is it about his pathetic behaviour and ideology that appealed to you? 

If it is his hate and anger at The Other that appealed to you, then you must do some soul-searching and see why hate and anger appeal to you. 

I hope, once and for all, we can realize how pathetic he is and view him alongside other losers such as his buddy Shapiro. 

Completely agreed. I don't see how a self-respecting Muslim with an iota of gheirah for his religion can soften his heart for a person like this. 

Just another run of the mill miso-Islamist (sorry, the term 'Islamophobe' sounds very cringe and out of place to me, I prefer the term 'Islamomisia') with an 'intellectual' garb. 

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On 11/18/2022 at 1:28 AM, Muhammed Ali said:

Some people are attracted to him because they are unaware of alternatives. He is loud enough to be heard and those that like him tend not to search for alternatives, instead they receive what is pushed towards them. Comments under his Youtube videos thank him for his knowledge and for changing people's lives. All these people have to do is use the search bar on Youtube to find other academics who are saner than Peterson.

I might as well add another video:

 

As I have said earlier too, the lowest rabble of the world's intellectual spectrum. 

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'The Cringiest Thing Jordan Peterson Has Ever Done' (Richard Medhurst) 25 min

 

 

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On 11/17/2022 at 3:42 PM, SoRoUsH said:

If it is his hate and anger at The Other that appealed to you, then you must do some soul-searching and see why hate and anger appeal to you.

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Regarding Zionist ethnocentrism: I must note that Peterson actually authored the following piece on the touchy political question of “Jewish”-Zionist influence. In it he basically argues that anyone who draws attention to the influence of Zionist Ashkenazim on Western society—be it in the media, academia, politics, finance, etc.—is merely a victim of jealous leftism or fascism and envious of the “fact” that Ashkenazi Jews supposedly have higher IQ than Gentiles. He tries to argue that Ashkenazi Jews are genetically predestined to rule over European and other Gentiles, so that any attempts to counter the power of pro-Zionist Ashkenazim are motivated by “leftist” victimhood and “Nazi” politics. He nevertheless claims that Zionist parasitism is mutually beneficial for the rulers and ruled. Some quotes from his piece:

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The players of identity politics on the far right continue ever-so-pathologically to beat the anti-Semitic drum, pointing to the over-representation of Jews in positions of authority, competence and influence (including revolutionary movements). … If you’re misguided enough to play identity politics, whether on the left or the right, then you require a victim (in the right-wing case, European culture or some variant) and a perpetrator (Jews). … You can claim responsibility for the accomplishments of your group you feel racially/ethnically akin to without actually having to accomplish anything yourself.

Furthermore, and most reprehensibly: you now have someone to hate (and, what’s worse, with a good conscience) so your unrecognized resentment and cowardly and incompetent failure to deal with the world forthrightly can find a target, and you can feel morally superior in your consequent persecution (see Germany, Nazi for further evidence and information). … Well, Jews are genuinely over-represented in positions of authority, competence and influence. … It’s possible that we should be happy about this, rather than annoyed: is the fact that smart people are working hard for our mutual advancement really something to feel upset? …

Jewish people are over-represented in positions of competence and authority because, as a group, they have a higher mean IQ.

Basically, Peterson is a secular Jewish-Zionist Nazi (somehow I doubt that he is a Gentile, given that he does not explicitly claim to be, say, a Christian or other non-Jewish Zionist, yet is so invested in Jewish control over the Temple Mount), who advocates the racial superiority of Ashkenazi Zionists over everyone else, based on the aforementioned piece. He merely projects his own mentality onto others and asserts that only Ashkenazi Zionists have a right to practice nepotism and ethnocentrism. The only thing that I might say in his defence is that plenty of non-Jews are just as racist toward, say, black Africans as Ashkenazi Zionists: for example, the “Muslim” Arabs in the GCC who like to blame white Westerners/Zionists for anti-black racism have quite a bit of soul-searching to do, given their own anti-black racism. 

On 11/17/2022 at 4:42 PM, VoidVortex said:

 

this second tweet is from 2018.

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It is ironic that the history of Zionism has come full circle. In the nineteenth century it was secular and even atheistic European Jews who supported Zionism against the religious Orthodox Jews, who were traditionally anti-Zionist. The same secular/atheistic Jews who supported Zionism also split off and supported the Marxist left (in the Soviet Union, often to the detriment of Zionism). Now the Marxist wing of those secular/atheist Jews who also founded Zionism are now being blamed for (tactically) siding with religious (Palestinian) Muslims against the State of Israel. (Zionism was actually the right wing of secular/irreligious European Jewry, Marxism the left wing.)

Why doesn’t the “pro-Jewish” arch-Zionist Peterson acknowledge that Zionism was founded by self-hating, anti-religious European Jews—men who were not even genetically related to the Orthodox Sephardim of the Middle East? Zionists such as Peterson who are complaining about the “woke” left turning on Israeli settler-colonialism should look in the mirror: the “woke” leftists (financed, incidentally, by the “liberal” Zionist Jew Soros!) are the descendants of those very same irreligious European Jews who also spawned Zionism and Marxism! Jewish atheists wanted to promote Zionism while neglecting the Jewish religion, now their children want to abolish Zionism as well as religion. Poetic.

On 11/19/2022 at 5:07 AM, AbdusSibtayn said:

He's a narcissistic, anti-Muslim quack whose quackery and the demagogy appeals to the lowest rabble of the world's intellectual spectrum- the same constituency which tails boggarts like David Wood, Geert Wilders and Trump, along with some 'Muslim' incel-ish beta akh-right TradCons who are ridden with inferiority complex due to being faced with the challenges of modernity and real-life women.

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In this regard I think many men who tire of feminism simply yearn for a return to the medieval rather than modern period, in terms of restoring men’s absolute possession of women, including sovereignty over assets such as property, the right to divorce, sexual access via arranged marriage, modesty/chastity (vs. harlotry), and so on. The same kind of people often feel attracted to extremely patriarchal or even misogynist groups, e.g., the Afghan Taliban, whom alt-rightist Nicholas “Nick” Fuentes praised. White nationalists in the West have long exhibited a curious tendency to praise or at least envy the Wahhabi–Salafi attitude toward women and feminism. Men of this type, in reacting to feminism, want to feel like absolute lords over women and dependent offspring, whom they wish to treat as slaves and/or serfs. At any rate, traditional Islam does seem to imply that women, at least ideally, should be strictly confined to the home and be entirely provided for by their menfolk.

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On 12/3/2022 at 9:49 PM, Northwest said:

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Regarding Zionist ethnocentrism: I must note that Peterson actually authored the following piece on the touchy political question of “Jewish”-Zionist influence. In it he basically argues that anyone who draws attention to the influence of Zionist Ashkenazim on Western society—be it in the media, academia, politics, finance, etc.—is merely a victim of jealous leftism or fascism and envious of the “fact” that Ashkenazi Jews supposedly have higher IQ than Gentiles. He tries to argue that Ashkenazi Jews are genetically predestined to rule over European and other Gentiles, so that any attempts to counter the power of pro-Zionist Ashkenazim are motivated by “leftist” victimhood and “Nazi” politics. He nevertheless claims that Zionist parasitism is mutually beneficial for the rulers and ruled. Some quotes from his piece:

Basically, Peterson is a secular Jewish-Zionist Nazi (somehow I doubt that he is a Gentile, given that he does not explicitly claim to be, say, a Christian or other non-Jewish Zionist, yet is so invested in Jewish control over the Temple Mount), who advocates the racial superiority of Ashkenazi Zionists over everyone else, based on the aforementioned piece. He merely projects his own mentality onto others and asserts that only Ashkenazi Zionists have a right to practice nepotism and ethnocentrism. The only thing that I might say in his defence is that plenty of non-Jews are just as racist toward, say, black Africans as Ashkenazi Zionists: for example, the “Muslim” Arabs in the GCC who like to blame white Westerners/Zionists for anti-black racism have quite a bit of soul-searching to do, given their own anti-black racism. 

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It is ironic that the history of Zionism has come full circle. In the nineteenth century it was secular and even atheistic European Jews who supported Zionism against the religious Orthodox Jews, who were traditionally anti-Zionist. The same secular/atheistic Jews who supported Zionism also split off and supported the Marxist left (in the Soviet Union, often to the detriment of Zionism). Now the Marxist wing of those secular/atheist Jews who also founded Zionism are now being blamed for (tactically) siding with religious (Palestinian) Muslims against the State of Israel. (Zionism was actually the right wing of secular/irreligious European Jewry, Marxism the left wing.)

Why doesn’t the “pro-Jewish” arch-Zionist Peterson acknowledge that Zionism was founded by self-hating, anti-religious European Jews—men who were not even genetically related to the Orthodox Sephardim of the Middle East? Zionists such as Peterson who are complaining about the “woke” left turning on Israeli settler-colonialism should look in the mirror: the “woke” leftists (financed, incidentally, by the “liberal” Zionist Jew Soros!) are the descendants of those very same irreligious European Jews who also spawned Zionism and Marxism! Jewish atheists wanted to promote Zionism while neglecting the Jewish religion, now their children want to abolish Zionism as well as religion. Poetic.

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In this regard I think many men who tire of feminism simply yearn for a return to the medieval rather than modern period, in terms of restoring men’s absolute possession of women, including sovereignty over assets such as property, the right to divorce, sexual access via arranged marriage, modesty/chastity (vs. harlotry), and so on. The same kind of people often feel attracted to extremely patriarchal or even misogynist groups, e.g., the Afghan Taliban, whom alt-rightist Nicholas “Nick” Fuentes praised. White nationalists in the West have long exhibited a curious tendency to praise or at least envy the Wahhabi–Salafi attitude toward women and feminism. Men of this type, in reacting to feminism, want to feel like absolute lords over women and dependent offspring, whom they wish to treat as slaves and/or serfs. At any rate, traditional Islam does seem to imply that women, at least ideally, should be strictly confined to the home and be entirely provided for by their menfolk.

What these men don't understand is that the wheel of history cannot be reversed. History is not a stopwatch or tape-recording to be started and paused at will. It is their own emasculation which makes the slightest assertion of agency by women, however justified, pique their own inferiority complex. They provide  manpower to the 'incel' phenomenon. There is no evidence whatsoever- and historical research is increasingly proving this- that in traditional pre-modern societies, men, either those in positions of socio-political leadership or even as heads of individual households, treated women and children as absolute chattels. This desire to 'own' and 'subjugate' women has, in my view, to do more with the distinctly modern and classical liberal Ricardian notions of property ('the owner is free to use or abuse his property') and high-Victorian prudery. Here one cannot but notice a strong coincidence between the Feminist and the Alt-Right/Incel thought- the relationship between men and women is fundamentally acrimonious, one of antagonism and conflict according to both. 

While Islam does not believe in this , Islam does accept the social implications of gender-dimorphism and stresses the role of women as mothers and nurturers. Hence the need for the men to be breadwinners and provide for them while they take on the domestic labour. In our fiqh, women can even charge money from their husbands for child-rearing and housekeeping. There's no injunction against women working per se, but men are still expected to be the primary breadwinners since the labour associated with bringing and rearing new life is invariably the women's lot. The labour must be divided and the dual burden of childcare and earning should not fall on the wife alone. The point behind underscoring the role of women as mothers and nurturers in Islam is that their domestic labour is not to be taken as granted and that the men owe it to them to provide for them in exchange for their indispensable contribution to keeping families afloat and together. The role of men as providers is an acknowledgement that domestic labour is not- and should not be- free and taken for granted, and not a stamp of lordship or ownership over women. While arguments can be made in favor of why societies function to their optimum best under such an arrangement, this would detract from the thread's scope. 

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Every Muslim scholar or non-scholar, who at some point admired or cared for Peterson, should realize that if at some point Peterson resonated or aligned with their vision and understanding of Islam, they have the wrong vision and understanding of Islam.

Because whatever Peterson believed, hurled and spewed has brought him to such a low pathetic and evil point in his life. 

Islam elevates us into light, into love, kindness, and compassion. 

Peterson and his "anti-woke" Chad bros and lackeys take people into a dark sea of hate, anger, and violence. 

 

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1 hour ago, SoRoUsH said:

Islam elevates us into light, into love, kindness, and compassion. 

Peterson and his "anti-woke" Chad bros and lackeys take people into a dark sea of hate, anger, and violence. 

Thank you. I had no idea that Jordan Peterson was retweeting Maryam Rajavi. He doesn't understand Islam at all if he is following terrorists. 

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'Apartheid Apologists: A Response To Jordan Peterson and Benjamin Netanyahu' (Hamza Tzortzis) 35 min.

 

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