Jordan Peterson's Message To The Muslim World

[Eddie Mecca]

Thoughts? Comments? released 8 hours ago

 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

Daniel's Criticism...Peterson pushing Abraham Accords and pushing perennialism 

 

[SoRoUsH]

It's 2022. If any Muslim doesn't know yet that JP is an egotistical, self-deluded, moron by now, this should make it very obvious to them. He is and has always been a loser, producing content for views and clicks, for fame and power.

Even his own fans and supporters are starting to realize that he's a fraud. 

https://rebelwisdom.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-jordan-peterson

Edited July 14, 2022 by SoRoUsH

[Hasani Samnani]

5 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Thoughts? Comments? released 8 hours ago

 

Thanks Bro for bringing this to the group and to attention of other Muslims, while I think relatively idealistic in term of reality,  but it is an excellent message.

We are rapidly approaching an age where Luciferian power is increasing exponentially and the power of believers is diminishing just as fast. We, especially as a minority sect often oppressed and even slaughtered, need to make allies and not enemies, especially with people of book who have strong spiritual connections and a sense of justice.

So while we Shias have often allied with Christians , see Lebanon/Syria/Iraq,  and even with Sunnis,  and even Jews eg Iran. As the dajjalic and sufyani forces assemble their armies, we again need to marshal our forces and stop arguing over as Jordan calls it "trinkets".

I think his message is admirable, And because of his popularity is high, the video has already hit over 1 million views. His bully pulpit may help supercharge Interfaith discussions and build more bridges. 

I went to med school at McGill and met many Canadians , and Peterson did some of his grad work at McGill and is a Canadian. They're fairly idealistic and less bellicose than Americans in general. So I am not surprised by this outreach, which I think the Muslim world should sincerely accept and take forward.

As far as the digital bridges and place where the people of the book can come and discuss commonality freely describes Shia Chat pretty well.

I hope his plea succeeds.

[Hasani Samnani]

15 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Daniel's Criticism...Peterson pushing Abraham Accords and pushing perennialism 

 

 

Instead of looking at whole message, he concentrates on Israel,  which was never even mentioned or even alluded to.

I am not a big fan of the Abraham accords since it gives an illegitimate state, legitimacy

But to tie in Peterson to Zionazis Is kind of an unfair criticism. Also to completely eschew a welcoming hand Is not the Ahklaq taught by Rasoolullah or the AhlulBayt 

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[313_Waiter]

5 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

https://rebelwisdom.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-jordan-peterson

TLDR?

[Dubilex]

8 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

 

Instead of looking at whole message, he concentrates on Israel,  which was never even mentioned or even alluded to.

I am not a big fan of the Abraham accords since it gives an illegitimate state, legitimacy

But to tie in Peterson to Zionazis Is kind of an unfair criticism. Also to completely eschew a welcoming hand Is not the Ahklaq taught by Rasoolullah or the AhlulBayt 

That is what's so interesting. How closely aligned these  salafis are with the LGBTQ marxists, how they have common goals and enemies. 

But to be fair, it's not only sunnis. There are also many shias who are SJWs. 

Jordan Peterson is one the best intellectual minds of our time

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[SoRoUsH]

2 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

TLDR?

He's a hypocritical clown, revealing his hateful interior more and more for clicks and views. 

 

From the article: (which is written by an ex-admirer):

"Don't Explain Your Philosophy, Embody It"

This is the greatest ongoing paradox with Peterson, the level to which his actions increasingly contradict his own philosophical rules and maxims. None of us are perfect, and all have our little hypocrisies, but the gap between words and deeds has become a cavern with Peterson. 

Peterson does not embody his philosophy, in fact his actions are is in direct contradiction with so many of its core tenets. Most clearly there is a serious lack of personal responsibility."

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[SoRoUsH]

If you read his 12 Rules book, you'd realize right away how unsophisticated he is in his philosophy. 

Just listen to his recent video to Muslims. Not only he sounds extremely dumb, he appears to think Muslims are a bunch of idiots, who may benefit from his paternal lecturing. To be fair, the Muslims who do support him may, indeed, be idiots, who completely miss his hateful interiors and fall for his academic mask. His uses big words to say nothing. He fakes sophistication, but all he's doing is stoking hate and fear within people against The Other. 

He's loved by other abhorrent and despicable people, like Ben Shapiro and fascist Republicans, for a reason. That clown Pierre Polliviere recommends everyone to read JP's book. This is a form of dog whistle to all fascists and white supremacists that Pierre is on their side. 

 

There are people who support him, not because they know much about him or his views, but because they hate who he hates; and they assume "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." 

Siding with fascists and Nazis and supremacists, simply because they hate The Left just as much as you do, is absolutely repulsive and odious. 

 

And then there are the anti-vaxx Conspiracy Theory idiots, who support him. They're on a whole new level of stupidity. I won't get into how the fascist right is using fear and priming them to bring them on their own side. 

Edited July 14, 2022 by SoRoUsH

[Hasani Samnani]

7 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

If you read his 12 Rules book, you'd realize right away how unsophisticated he is in his philosophy. 

Just listen to his recent video to Muslims. Not only he sounds extremely dumb, he appears to think Muslims are a bunch of idiots, who may benefit from his paternal lecturing. To be fair, the Muslims who do support him may, indeed, be idiots, who completely miss his hateful interiors and fall for his academic mask. His uses big words to say nothing. He fakes sophistication, but all he's doing is stoking hate and fear within people against The Other. 

He's loved by other abhorrent and despicable people, like Ben Shapiro and fascist Republicans, for a reason. That clown Pierre Polliviere recommends everyone to read JP's book. This is a form of dog whistle to all fascists and white supremacists that Pierre is on their side. 

 

There are people who support him, not because they know much about him or his views, but because they hate who he hates; and they assume "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." 

Siding with fascists and Nazis and supremacists, simply because they hate The Left just as much as you do, is absolutely repulsive and odious. 

 

And then there are the anti-vaxx Conspiracy Theory idiots, who support him. They're on a whole new level of stupidity. I won't get into how the fascist right is using fear and priming them to bring them on their own 

Bro why such vitriol for a psychology professor. If you are complaining he is a little condescending towards Muslims,  he is kind of condescending towards many groups and individuals who also deviate from their original principles. This is a fair criticism. 

But your criticisms went from Nazis, white supremacists,  Christian fundamentalists, to fascists,  racists and then ended with anti-vaxxers.....whoa 

Then you attack all the Muslims who might support him as....idiots.  Such Bellicosity ...for what. I'm not sure that above kind of hatred and present superciliousnes is part of the AhlulBayt tradition.

Makes me think George Bernard Shaw said , Islam is the best religion and Muslims are the worst people. I don't mean you Sourosh brother, but I am just saying in general,  we don't live up to the attitude of our Rasool, you was Rahmtul Alameen, who visited people who daily threw rubbish on his holy countenance.

Now as far as Peterson is concerned,  neither he,  nor others who have criticized some Muslims,  who are hypocritical when it comes to ibadat and ikhlaq, are wrong.

But this bellicose response is unlike you Sourosh, you are usually much more balanced and temperate in your approach, especially towards non Muslims , and especially if extending their hand in peace.

If he is himself hypocritical,  this is often the case with anyone who comes from British based culture. It is often subconsciously part of the culture they come from. I don't have such high expectations from such groups,  but I will alwys give the benefit of the doubt to those who are not actively attacking us.

If he is a lightning rod for LGBTQ +++, I don't have a problem with that, that forced acceptance of their lifestyle choices and predilection is part of a plan to destroy families, certain cultures and certain religious orders. They're being directed by a certain Luciferian/Shaytani forces.

I think we extend our hand In peace to those who are not attacking us and are willing to engage in peaceful,...even while being condescending , ...dialogue 

[EiE]

8 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

If you read his 12 Rules book, you'd realize right away how unsophisticated he is in his philosophy.

Can you give example or explain more?

[SoRoUsH]

Just now, EiE said:

Can you give example or explain more?

No. Read the book. The first couple of chapters will do. 

[SoRoUsH]

56 minutes ago, Hasani Samnani said:

But this bellicose response is unlike you Sourosh, you are usually much more balanced and temperate in your approach, especially towards non Muslims , and especially if extending their hand in peace.

No. You don't seem to understand the danger of this "bro masculinity" culture that is spreading across societies. This is how fascism gains power. This is how it spreads.

All these people crying about "wokeness" and "political correctness"; what they want is going back to the power structure where/when they could openly ridicule and abuse marginalized groups.

Fascism is built upon the unempathetic unapologetic "tough" and frank "strong" men. This is the rotten vitriol that is being nourished by these Dark Web "intellectuals." They are creating (and have created) an environment, where being crass and crude and violent against marginalized groups, including the LGBTQ, is acceptable; because The Other is almost-literally the devil himself. 

When you dehumanize others, you allow for the strong, the dominant groups, to harm the marginalized without remorse. And this is the landscape that JP and his supporters and cronies are creating; a landscape full of hate and fear, where The Other must be eliminated or "they will eliminate 'us.'" This is the precise "Us vs Them" environment in which the Nazis murdered millions of Jews, because they thought Jews were a threat to the German way of life. 

JP, Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris, and etc.; These are despicable people, who are masquerading as "intellectuals" and brainwashing the minds of the youths. American Republican politicians are despicable people. Trump is a despicable person. 

I cannot for a second fathom how any follower of the Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) could support such sources of hate and fear. 

You do not seem to appreciate the gravity of the historical moment we are in currently. Fascism is quickly on the rise in Europe and America. 

[Hasani Samnani]

45 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

No. You don't seem to understand the danger of this "bro masculinity" culture that is spreading across societies. This is how fascism gains power. This is how it spreads.

All these people crying about "wokeness" and "political correctness"; what they want is going back to the power structure where/when they could openly ridicule and abuse marginalized groups.

Fascism is built upon the unempathetic unapologetic "tough" and frank "strong" men. This is the rotten vitriol that is being nourished by these Dark Web "intellectuals." They are creating (and have created) an environment, where being crass and crude and violent against marginalized groups, including the LGBTQ, is acceptable; because The Other is almost-literally the devil himself. 

When you dehumanize others, you allow for the strong, the dominant groups, to harm the marginalized without remorse. And this is the landscape that JP and his supporters and cronies are creating; a landscape full of hate and fear, where The Other must be eliminated or "they will eliminate 'us.'" This is the precise "Us vs Them" environment in which the Nazis murdered millions of Jews, because they thought Jews were a threat to the German way of life. 

JP, Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris, and etc.; These are despicable people, who are masquerading as "intellectuals" and brainwashing the minds of the youths. American Republican politicians are despicable people. Trump is a despicable person. 

I cannot for a second fathom how any follower of the Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) could support such sources of hate and fear. 

You do not seem to appreciate the gravity of the historical moment we are in currently. Fascism is quickly on the rise in Europe and America. 

I don't disagree with your premise that fascism is on the rise in America and the world. This always happens in times of economic upheaval. An enemy is created and scapegoats are sought.

I think just because there are some people who may seem to be on one side, we cannot make sweeping generalizations about all the people on that side. Yes Ben Shapiro,  Sam Harris, and Fascist Republicans are contemptible, and violence towards already marginalized groups is Zulm.

However,  there is a strongly violent militant form of the LGBTQ  who are attempting indoctrination of children and society to accept any form of perversion as normal and they manipulate and use human kindness to force acceptance on people of faith. We regards such activities as going against the dictates of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

We , to use the oft quoted Christian phrase,  love the sinner but hate the sin. We should not out our kindness and love for humanity accept this Luciferian/Shaytani attempt to destroy families,  society,  religious faith by making perverted practices acceptable forms of behavior.

If you have children in North American or European schools you will see this very aggressive push to force their perverted philosophies on young impressionable minds.

Soon pedophilia and bestiality will be considered as alternative but valid lifestyle choices,  and using genetic predisposition arguments,  made acceptable. That's what the sufyani forces want, a complete upheaval and upending of Allah's commands.

Jordan Peterson, in his classroom and campus, refused to cower to  this militant group. He eloquently provided a voice to the silent majority resisting this forced indoctrination and became a bit of a folk hero. Also he used his background in psychology to provide cogent and literature based arguments for not accepting these perversions of societal norms.

I find the guy to be condescending and quite dismissive at times but I don't use a broad brush to paint all right leaning people as Trumpians. In all honesty we have much more in common with peaceful religious Christians and even non zionist religious jews than the Bible burning Marxist leftist ideologues.

But if he is attempting Interfaith dialogues and allegiances with like minded Muslims, I am willing to be magnanimous and give him the benefit of the doubt, unless he proves treacherous.

Also bro, you know there is an internet rule; it is said that once you have to bring up the fake holocaust, and the fake numbers the Jews invented ,  to bolster your argument...  it is said you lose the argument. See Godwins law.

Edited July 15, 2022 by Hasani Samnani

[SoRoUsH]

1 hour ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Also bro, you know there is an internet rule; it is said that once you have to bring up the fake holocaust, and the fake numbers the Jews invented ,  to bolster your argument...  it is said you lose the argument. See Godwins law.

You outed yourself. 

I am certainly not surprised that you, an anti-vaxxer, and a holocaust denier, side with Jordan Peterson and his like. You're deep in the rabbit hole. 

I am not interested in continuing a discussion with you. You win!

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by SoRoUsH

[Eddie Mecca]

Saajid Lipham's commentary and critique of JP's address to Muslims (20 minutes) 

 

[Eddie Mecca]

'Jordan Peterson Upsets Muslims'...Ali Dawah's 2 cents...(8 minutes)

 

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 7/14/2022 at 9:28 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

Thoughts? Comments? released 8 hours ago

 

Going to watch this. Will get back in some time. 

[Hasani Samnani]

4 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

You outed yourself. 

I am certainly not surprised that you, an anti-vaxxer, and a holocaust denier, side with Jordan Peterson and his like. You're deep in the rabbit hole. 

I am not interested in continuing a discussion with you. You win!

Yes let's elevate the argument....by name calling...really ....I teach my children not to do that.

It's okay brother. Still respect you for your other posts. 

I guess this topic for some reason is difficult for you.  

Do not get angry: it starts with madness and ends with regret. Imam Ali AS

Imam Ali AS said: “The most powerful person is the one who is victorious over his anger with his forbearance.” [Al-Rayshahri, Mizan al-Hikmah, hadith # 15027]

 

    • Imam Ja’far al-Sadiq AS said: “One who retrains his anger (towards someone), God will cover his secrets.” [Al-Majlisi, Bihar al-Anwar vol. 73, p. 264 hadith # 11]

 

 

[Guest Window]

I think his expertise lies in psychology, namely, the study of intertextuality between literature and psychoanalysis. I do think he has a point that Muslims need to stop fighting amongst themselves and unite. Unfortunately, unity is rare in the Muslim world. 

[Traveller_]

I believe the good doctor has had invaluable content that I myself owe a great deal of the positive progression towards becoming who I always want to be to. He also demonstrated bravery numerous times politically, his reaction to the enforcement of LGBTQ Pronouns and his political views are one of the more rationale and mature of the Western academia and also, more relevant to us his sympathetic views towards us.

However, personally it seems to me he has become more of a politician rather than an intellectual recently, this video for example feels more like a politician making a petition rather than a professor and a clinical psychiatrist making a plea for dialogue.  

His also praises the Abraham records and calls it a step for attaining peace amongst the 'Abrahamic religions'. Doesn't he know that most Muslims reject this shameful collaboration? 

Edited July 15, 2022 by Traveller_

[Muhammed Ali]

On 7/14/2022 at 3:26 AM, SoRoUsH said:

https://rebelwisdom.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-jordan-peterson

He says: "initially attracted to a nuanced and fascinating thinker on religion and culture," and "here was a man who was fuelled by a deep appreciation of religion and mythology, the return of the archetypal and the deep mythos of the culture".

There are thousands of academics who are superior to Peterson in these subject areas.

[Eddie Mecca]

I'm not a huge follower of JP but I can appreciate and agree with a lot of his ideas regarding: 1.) his enlightening biblical commentaries, 2.) his pushback to LBGTQIA2S+ activism/preferred pronoun agenda/coerced parental consent to adolescent gender reassignment 3.) reinvigorating/rediscovering/celebrating masculinity 4.) critique of postmodernism 5.) defending traditionalism against Ultra-Modernism 6.) defending folk religion and spirituality against New Atheism etc.—I can simultaneously acknowledge contributions made by left-leaning intellectuals (e.g. Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Edward Said, Ralph Nader, Cornel West, Chris Hedges, Amy Goodman, Norman Finkelstein, Naomi Wolf etc.) Islam emphasizes a moderate middle path—most of the Republican versus Democrat discourse that takes places isn't balanced—either you believe in privatization/corporate monopoly of public resources or you're a Pinko/Commie, either you believe in unrestrained sexual indulgence/hedonism or you're a Victorian prude—republicans and democrats expose each other and we can learn the weaknesses and strengths of both camps by observing—Muslims have commonalities and differences with both political parties but we shouldn't be fooled by the rhetoric and hype—there are sincere and good-hearted people in both factions but the overwhelming majority aren't well-wishers—both factions are racist and want Islam eliminated from the face of the planet—the only difference is the carrot versus stick approach—Stalin's Soviet Union (communist) and China under Mao (communist) committed atrocities as did Nazi Germany (fascism)—Trump called Mexicans 'rapists' and said, 'I think Islam hates us' and formally made Jerusalem the capital of Israel—Bill Gates, Joe Biden and other secular humanists want to depopulate the Global South because Europeans/Westerners aren't reproducing like they should.              

[Eddie Mecca]

We have to decipher JP's message to Muslims in light of his June, 2022 decision to join The Daily Wire—he begins by mentioning the Abraham Accords—everything he says during the address thereafter must be interpreted in light of this—he's referencing MENA politics for the first time here—coincidence?—hardly—he's calling for Sunni, Shi'a, Christian and Jewish unification under a Zionist umbrella—rumors of an emerging Arab NATO being formed to neutralize Iran, Hezbollah, Houthis etc.—"hey savages, wake up and allow us you drag you into the new century, it's for your own good", "hey ingrates, stop resisting globalization and imperialism"—JP is wandering down a bad road—he's been crucified by the liberal media and probably feels he's in need of backing (like a new inmate who feels compelled to join a prison gang)—by aligning with Ben Shapiro, he'll probably be gaining a larger demographic but it's the wrong demographic—before he attracted open-minded college students, suggestible millennials, non-affiliated and non-partisan types, free thinkers, Muslims etc.—now he'll be lecturing to members of the Minutemen Project and followers of Sean Hannity—good luck with that my dude!—I'm sure you'll find it intellectually stimulating (sarcasm)—bridge-building is fine as long as its done organically and governed by the perimeters of Islam—Shīʿa tul ʿAlī should be forming alliances with the oppressed and the marginalized (like Iran is doing in Africa and South America).

Edited July 16, 2022 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

On 7/14/2022 at 11:21 AM, Dubilex said:

That is what's so interesting. How closely aligned these  salafis are with the LGBTQ marxists

Salafis are their own thing and they're essentially against anyone/everyone who isn't Salafi—Sunnis unifying with leftists and LBGT are mainly al-Ikhwān (e.g. Ilhan Omar, Omar Suleiman, Yaqeen Institute, CAIR, MSA, ISNA etc.)

Edited July 16, 2022 by Eddie Mecca

[SoRoUsH]

Source:

Stanley, Jason. How fascism works: The politics of us and them. Random House Trade Paperbacks, 2020.

[EiE]

On 7/15/2022 at 4:02 AM, SoRoUsH said:

No. Read the book. The first couple of chapters will do. 

 

I read the summary of it, and I thought it was quite insightful and helpful. What did you not like about it?

[SoRoUsH]

1 hour ago, EiE said:

 

I read the summary of it, and I thought it was quite insightful and helpful. What did you not like about it?

It is so philosophy weak. Like the rest of his work, he's a below -average academic masquerading as some sort of sophisticated genius. He isn't. He uses sophisticated words to convey nothing. He's not bringing anything new to the table.

Again, people only like him, because he hates who they hate. Ultimately, he and his supporters are all swimming in a sea of hate and fear. 

He's now working for Ben Shapiro at Dailywire+. 

Again, look at how absolutely dumb and patronizing his video to Muslims was, a culmination of decades anti-Muslim tropes. 

If you think his book was good, then you probably don't read enough books. I am not going to waste my time and go over his book with you. If you don't want to believe me, don't. I don't want/need to convince you that he's a below-average academic and a bad person. 

Believe as you wish. 

Edited July 18, 2022 by SoRoUsH

[Hameedeh]

On 7/13/2022 at 10:58 PM, Eddie Mecca said:

Thoughts? Comments? released 8 hours ago

Having watched other videos by Jordan Peterson, I found this video was very different. Previous videos were 'helpful' and informative. This video sounded like an admonishment, telling Muslims what to do, but he was reading from a script that someone else probably wrote for him. Did he make a similar 'Message for Jews' or a 'Message for Christians '? 

[Northwest]

On 7/15/2022 at 6:50 PM, Traveller_ said:

He also praises the Abraham records and calls them a step for attaining peace amongst the 'Abrahamic religions'. Doesn't he know that most Muslims reject this shameful collaboration? 

@Traveller_

There is a cottage industry of supposed “conservatives” and “traditionalists” who conserve very little “tradition.” Jordan Peterson is just another example that epitomises this trend. For example, he talks about the importance of spiritual traditions and moral absolutes, yet he himself doesn’t appear to follow a clear spiritual or religious obligation. He seems more like a right-wing secularist than a religious traditionalist: in other words, he sees the apparent utility of moral order, but in a this-worldly rather than transcendent sense. In other words, religion and morality help buttress and organise society, but have little intrinsic use and/or value otherwise.

In other words, Truth in and of itself does not seem to matter to Peterson so much as the ability of a “‘sacred’ narrative” to shape/control and maintain society. His perspective is actually Masonic in a sense, because Masonry holds that any form of religion or spirituality (belief in a “god/God”) is good, so long as it conserves the existing power structure and organic hierarchy. It is sufficiently vague as to acquire the broadest possible support but also concrete in its appeals to certain core principles. It also overlooks the significant differences among various traditions and faiths, promoting a kind of “balance of power” instead of subjugation to a single, creedal Way of life (Deen).

Also, Peterson’s consistent support for Zionism undermines his claim to primordial truth, because Zionism is a secularist, anti-religious ideology at its core. Peterson also overlooks the fact that the State of Israel has consistently supported the “Great Reset,” being one of the most highly vaccinated countries on the planet and a key proponent of homosexuality in such secular preserves as Tel Aviv. There is not a shred of traditional Judaism in the founding fathers of Israel or in its political establishment, so Peterson’s claim that the Abraham Accords will bring about “unity/peace” has a deeply sinister undertone. Like Trump, Peterson represents controlled “opposition.”

After all, the Masons believe that a primordial tradition or faith underlies all tradition and/or faith, so they attempt to syncretise all tradition/faith to bring about a one-world order. In doing so, they dilute or alter the content of the individual tradition(s) and faith(s), so that only a secular deism or profound nihilism remains in the end. This immediately precedes Albert Pike’s “pure doctrine of Lucifer.” Peterson represents the right wing of organised Masonry, at least in his essential messaging. His messaging is antiseptic and trite, saying the “right things” to a certain audience, appealing to the latter’s predisposition, despair, and naïveté. He himself is not very committed.

Peterson does not seem to follow any traditional faith or creed, other than a recapitulation of mankind’s “shared wisdom,” with little real action/integrity to back it up. His goal is to serve as a lightning rod for the Establishment and thereby bolster his credibility within his audience. “After all, if the liberal Establishment is attacking him, then he cannot possibly be a wolf in sheep’s clothing, can he?” Trump played the same game and eventually betrayed his supporters, who did not notice Trump’s Zionist background, including that of his father, to not mention that of his associates and son-in-law, Jared Kushner. The elites actually need controlled opposition, “lightning rods,” to corral the masses.

On 7/16/2022 at 3:04 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

Trump called Mexicans 'rapists' and said, 'I think Islam hates us'

@Eddie Mecca

To be fair, at some point human beings need to stop worrying about being “dehumanised” and take long, hard looks at themselves. Instead of criticising stereotypes, they should engage in introspection. Usually there is at least some level of truth behind stereotypes. For example, many “nonwhites,” including Mexicans, are involved in criminal activities such as rape, drug trafficking, and so on. Many do grow up in dysfunctional communities and like to blame the racial, religious, and/or economic “Other” for their problems, just like the postmodernist “leftists.” It would be dishonest to pretend that one’s own demographic is not engaged in some maladaptive and self-destructive activities and/or behaviours. Also, Trump’s statement on Islam is true in the sense that Islam contradicts much of Western and/or Christian society. Of course, this isn’t necessarily a bad thing per se, and in fact some distinction is necessary, even essential. To pretend that there is no conflict is to neutralise one’s own struggle, whatever it may be, and end up promoting the liberal/globalist NWO. In other words, to do so is self-defeating.

[Traveller_]

4 hours ago, Northwest said:

@Traveller_

There is a cottage industry of supposed “conservatives” and “traditionalists” who conserve very little “tradition.” Jordan Peterson is just another example that epitomises this trend. For example, he talks about the importance of spiritual traditions and moral absolutes, yet he himself doesn’t appear to follow a clear spiritual or religious obligation. He seems more like a right-wing secularist than a religious traditionalist: in other words, he sees the apparent utility of moral order, but in a this-worldly rather than transcendent sense. In other words, religion and morality help buttress and organise society, but have little intrinsic use and/or value otherwise.

In other words, Truth in and of itself does not seem to matter to Peterson so much as the ability of a “‘sacred’ narrative” to shape/control and maintain society. His perspective is actually Masonic in a sense, because Masonry holds that any form of religion or spirituality (belief in a “god/God”) is good, so long as it conserves the existing power structure and organic hierarchy. It is sufficiently vague as to acquire the broadest possible support but also concrete in its appeals to certain core principles. It also overlooks the significant differences among various traditions and faiths, promoting a kind of “balance of power” instead of subjugation to a single, creedal Way of life (Deen).

Also, Peterson’s consistent support for Zionism undermines his claim to primordial truth, because Zionism is a secularist, anti-religious ideology at its core. Peterson also overlooks the fact that the State of Israel has consistently supported the “Great Reset,” being one of the most highly vaccinated countries on the planet and a key proponent of homosexuality in such secular preserves as Tel Aviv. There is not a shred of traditional Judaism in the founding fathers of Israel or in its political establishment, so Peterson’s claim that the Abraham Accords will bring about “unity/peace” has a deeply sinister undertone. Like Trump, Peterson represents controlled “opposition.”

After all, the Masons believe that a primordial tradition or faith underlies all tradition and/or faith, so they attempt to syncretise all tradition/faith to bring about a one-world order. In doing so, they dilute or alter the content of the individual tradition(s) and faith(s), so that only a secular deism or profound nihilism remains in the end. This immediately precedes Albert Pike’s “pure doctrine of Lucifer.” Peterson represents the right wing of organised Masonry, at least in his essential messaging. His messaging is antiseptic and trite, saying the “right things” to a certain audience, appealing to the latter’s predisposition, despair, and naïveté. He himself is not very committed.

Peterson does not seem to follow any traditional faith or creed, other than a recapitulation of mankind’s “shared wisdom,” with little real action/integrity to back it up. His goal is to serve as a lightning rod for the Establishment and thereby bolster his credibility within his audience. “After all, if the liberal Establishment is attacking him, then he cannot possibly be a wolf in sheep’s clothing, can he?” Trump played the same game and eventually betrayed his supporters, who did not notice Trump’s Zionist background, including that of his father, to not mention that of his associates and son-in-law, Jared Kushner. The elites actually need controlled opposition, “lightning rods,” to corral the masses.

@Eddie Mecca

To be fair, at some point human beings need to stop worrying about being “dehumanised” and take long, hard looks at themselves. Instead of criticising stereotypes, they should engage in introspection. Usually there is at least some level of truth behind stereotypes. For example, many “nonwhites,” including Mexicans, are involved in criminal activities such as rape, drug trafficking, and so on. Many do grow up in dysfunctional communities and like to blame the racial, religious, and/or economic “Other” for their problems, just like the postmodernist “leftists.” It would be dishonest to pretend that one’s own demographic is not engaged in some maladaptive and self-destructive activities and/or behaviours. Also, Trump’s statement on Islam is true in the sense that Islam contradicts much of Western and/or Christian society. Of course, this isn’t necessarily a bad thing per se, and in fact some distinction is necessary, even essential. To pretend that there is no conflict is to neutralise one’s own struggle, whatever it may be, and end up promoting the liberal/globalist NWO. In other words, to do so is self-defeating.

I don't honestly think Peterson is controlled opposition, the biggest thing that discredits him is his lack of creed and extremely vague affiliation.  

I think the professor is just too burned out, a big reason why he shoot up to fame was because of the infamous Channel 6 interview it wasn't his own intellect or philosophical merit that brought him his fame even though he does have some intellect. 

I want to point out something as well, he is (or was?) a clinical psychiatrist for many years and working with mentally irregular people must have taken its toll on him .. Other than what's happened to him in 2020 you can notice that there is something quite off about him mentally 

[Hasani Samnani]

44 minutes ago, Traveller_ said:

I don't honestly think Peterson is controlled opposition, the biggest thing that discredits him is his lack of creed and extremely vague affiliation.  

I think the professor is just too burned out, a big reason why he shoot up to fame was because of the infamous Channel 6 interview it wasn't his own intellect or philosophical merit that brought him his fame even though he does have some intellect. 

I want to point out something as well, he is (or was?) a clinical psychiatrist for many years and working with mentally irregular people must have taken its toll on him .. Other than what's happened to him in 2020 you can notice that there is something quite off about him mentally 

Well he did admit to a nervous breakdown due to Social Media angst.

so there could be truth to your observation. 

@Northwest does make some very important poin regarding Great Reset,  Pseudo Conservatives, and the Luciferian Masonic Creed. That last sounds a little true. 

@Hameedah makes same point that he has changed in his demeanor and delivery.

If he wants to reach across to Muslims he should make videos to other Abrahamic faiths, and we all agree it was slightly condescending. However,  Western Academics often adopt that air with "backwards"  Muslims.

Now I think @Sourush is too invested in the fascism argument to be objective. Bro what happened with you and Jordan,  did you have a quarrel, did he insult a family member, such vitriol seems misplaced.

I'm glad @Eddie Mecca brought a good conversation starter video and we discussed interesting points of views.

Edited July 18, 2022 by Hasani Samnani

[Dubilex]

The problem is that for muslims in America, supporting Palestine has become their entire religion and faith. All these woke organizations like Yaqeen institute are closely allied with the LGBTQ fascists simply because those fascists also supports palestine. It's obvious that muslims in NA are willing to sell out their Islamic values as soon as the LGBT groomers wave the Palestinian flag during a Pride parade.

That's why, while I may not agree with JP on everything, he is one of the biggest intellectuals of our time and he is at the frontline in the resistance against woke degeneracy. But unfortunately, muslims just sit there and complain just because he supports Israel. Alright then, have fun when the LGBT fascists indoctrinate your kids and turn them away from Islam.

[Guest Fahad]

Dubilex, I think there's alot of value in going after woke degeneracy. There's alot of things happening especially to children in the western world that's absolutely baffling and shocking, in terms of exposure to overtly sexual content. Most people of conscious regardless of faith would reject this, but the woke cult has alot of sway.

That aside, we can't ignore that Peterson has some strange bedfellows. Sam Harris, Ben Shapiro, Ayan Hirsi Ali are the definition bad faith actors in the media landscape. They bring only spectacle and outrage to their entrenched audiences, and they are in my estimation enemies of Islam and Islamic civilization. It's great to see Peterson engage the Muslim audience thoughtfully with his conversation with some notable speakers/scholars, but it seems he's drifted further toward the former bad faith actors, especially his announcement of being part of The Daily Wire. I imagine his work will become even more concentrated toward that right wing neo-conservative audience.

Also, he's a bit unhinged on twitter. It's honestly curious and dumbfounding to see a man of such intellectual stature argue like an adolescent on twitter. My personal take is the man needs an intervention, he's not right in the head at the moment.

[Eddie Mecca]

Jordan Peterson and the Abrahamic Accords (1 hour)—A decent breakdown of Peterson's address to Muslims by Sheikh Omar Baloch—1.) Abrahamic Accords is all about Israel and Arab countries curbing the influence of Iran and Shi'ism 2.) Hamza Yusuf and Abdullah bin Bayyah rubber stamp UAE/Israeli normalization 3.) Israelis should seek out neo-Nazi pen pals etc. 

 

Edited July 21, 2022 by Eddie Mecca