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2 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

 

Nobody is defending the immoral actions of individuals mentioned. What they have done is clearly immoral and not the best action they could have chosen in the given situation. I am not quite sure where you got that idea.

What you maybe fail to see is that the documentary is not targeting these individuals but rather the religion of Islam as a whole by implying that what they do is the norm which it is clearly not statistically speaking as well as grossly misrepresenting what mutah is as well as how it is done - on purpose. Do they really not know, after doing research, that mutah can be contracted without a sheikh involved or are they "forgetting" to mention that part? This is clearly a case of targeted sensationalism.

I was personally born and raised in Sweden and now I am 30+ years so I do in fact have quite a thorough understanding of the swedish country, its government and its secular agenda that it pushes towards religious groups, nowadays specifically on muslims. 

As you may or may not know there are efforts being made by the swedish politicians to ultimately:


As for the burning of religious books, this was illegal in sweden up until 1970, google "lagen om trosfrid", the burning of holy books could also fall into the category of "förargelseväckande beteende" today, yet it does not because it is non muslims who judge whether or not the danish pigs actions are meant to anger groups of people or not. Obviously from their perspective it is completely fine and not meant to specifically anger a marginalized group of people in their society. I suggest that you visit the website of "stramkurs" to see what they say about muslims and the religion of Islam and then question what their motives might be when they "demonstrate", it is clearly and beyond a doubt to anger and provoke muslims, yet it is not considered "förargelseväckande beteende".

I do not know how long you have lived in sweden nor how much you follow its political news and recent history on a day to day basis. I am personally very interested and for anyone who has followed the news, the last 10 years development is extremely clear.

As for the money they send to the mosques, churches, etc, it is better that they stop doing that and that its own members pay a membership fee instead, that way they cannot dangle it over our heads and put demands about "democratic values" (i.e. secular values some going straight against our own values), furthermore some of those 14 milion SEK are coming from tax that I and other muslims have paid as well, it is not generated by non muslims only. Our tax money is also going towards promoting LGBTQ+ organisations as well.

It is clear that the SD party will become a majority party in the near future and if you study SD, their political agendas (some linked above), it is beyond clear that they DO infact target muslims and Islam. Furthermore we can see how the rhetoric of the other parties have drastically shifted within these last 10 years, more and more mimicking what the populistic far right party of SD have been saying all along.


If you do agree, then give it more time and you will see the fire while I have seen the smoke already. Personally I am planning to inshaAllah leave this country and I do not feel anything but disgust for its government and culture and I do not say that lightly, I say that as a person who has travelled and worked in more than 25 countries, I am able to see and compare, this is a spiritually dead country and its people are very arrogant.

What you maybe fail to see is that the documentary is not targeting these individuals but rather the religion of Islam as a whole by implying that what they do is the norm which it is clearly not statistically speaking as well as grossly misrepresenting what mutah is as well as how it is done - on purpose. Do they really not know, after doing research, that mutah can be contracted without a sheikh involved or are they "forgetting" to mention that part? This is clearly a case of targeted sensationalism.

 

You are right, in the middle of showing how sheikhs act immorally and breaking the law of the land, essentially becoming pimps,(in the definition of the law of Sweden), and taking advantage of women, they should show how wonderful Mutah is. This argument is flawed. It’s like a documentary comes out showing the consequences of rape for woman inside marriage, then all of a sudden jumping to a couple explaining how wonderful and important sex life is in a marriage.

 

Do they really not know, after doing research, that mutah can be contracted without a sheikh involved or are they "forgetting" to mention that part? This is clearly a case of targeted sensationalism.

 

What’s the point of the documentary if the sheikh is not involved? A part of it, They were trying to expose these immoral actions of these sheikhs.

 

I was personally born and raised in Sweden and now I am 30+ years so I do in fact have quite a thorough understanding of the swedish country, its government and its secular agenda that it pushes towards religious groups, nowadays specifically on muslims. 

 

As a person that is also born and raised in Sweden, they do in fact give 14 million Swedish crowns to Shia community center - Imam Ali center - to strengthen community relations and bonds and so they can freely try to increase the faith of their youth.

 

As you may or may not know there are efforts being made by the swedish politicians to ultimately:

 

As you may not know, these are fairly simple points to refute and I refuse to accept your characterisation and agenda that you are trying to push forward, namely that Sweden is out to get Muslims, specifically Shias, i.e. victim mentality.

 

Make hijab illegal for anyone under 18 (slöjförbud, https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/motion/slojforbud-i-den-svenska-for--och-grundskolan_H702526)

 

For a Swedish person, we know that nationally implementation of motions like these never pass through and SD has been trying for decades, and obviously since this was approximately 4 years ago, it is NOT even being considered.

 

Ban circumcision for boys (motion mainly but not exclusively pushed by SD, https://sd.se/our-politics/forbud-mot-omskarelse-av-pojkar/)

 

This is another fear tactic argument I constantly see in social media from muslims who wants to paint Sweden as an intrinsically hateful country for muslims. Muslims aren’t the only people who do circumcision. As you may or may not know, Jewish people also do circumcision. I.e. not targeting muslims only. Also, SD, even if they manage to win with majority in next election, they will NOT be able to pass this into law, as NO ONE other than them who is sitting in parlament agrees to this lunacy.

 

Make halal meat illegal (motion mainly but not exclusively pushed by SD, https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/motion/forbud-mot-halal--och-koscherslakt_H80219)

 

Did you even read this apart from the title, before posting it here? The “förslag” or motion, which was given to the parlament by SD, was only accepted to ban slaughter of animals not given anesthesia. Islamically there is no issue with given animals anesthesia before slaughter(please correct me if I am wrong). SD is grotesquely ignorant about islam, as usual, and named the motion “ban on halal and kosher meat” because they think Jews and muslim laws on meat is the same.

 

Make fasting of anyone under 18 illegal (motion mainly but not exclusively pushed by SD, https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/skriftlig-fraga/fasta-for-barn_H8112603)

 

Again… read the full motion, with the answers in the bottom page. They are not considering banning it, this is a headline of a motion - obviously, will be denied - submitted by none other than SD. With all these articles, you seem to think that SD runs the country.

 

Refuse parents rights over their own children (such as how they should dress or if they can or cannot have sex before marriage, etc) by lumping it together with physical abuse and calling it "hedersbrott" (see swedish definition of hedersbrott, such as: https://www.umo.se/vald-och-krankningar/hedersrelaterat-vald-och-fortryck/vad-ar-hedersrelaterat-vald-och-fortryck/)

 

You have grotesquely mis-characterised this article. What this article is talking about is in fact physical abuse according the law of the land such as hitting your children, threatening them and cursing at them, belittling them, ex-communicating a child from the family for not following the family rules, such as staying out longer than they should be, talking to boys/girls when they shouldn’t be, use social media when you’ve banning it from them, wearing clothes that the family doesn’t accept, not allowing them to study or work at certain places, for not going through a marriage that the family is trying to force on the girl, and having sex before marriage.

 

Now tell me; how are these coherent with Islam? Are they mustahab behaviour of parent?( hitting your children, threatening them and cursing at them, belittling them, ex-communicating a child? )

 

If this is a parent’s go-to method of raising their children, then no wonder their child is doing some of these sorts of things.

 

 

As for the burning of religious books, this was illegal in sweden up until 1970, google "lagen om trosfrid", the burning of holy books could also fall into the category of "förargelseväckande beteende" today, yet it does not because it is non muslims who judge whether or not the danish pigs actions are meant to anger groups of people or not. Obviously from their perspective it is completely fine and not meant to specifically anger a marginalized group of people in their society. I suggest that you visit the website of "stramkurs" to see what they say about muslims and the religion of Islam and then question what their motives might be when they "demonstrate", it is clearly and beyond a doubt to anger and provoke muslims, yet it is not considered "förargelseväckande beteende".

 

So right now in 2022, that law does not exist. You may certainly go ahead and protest for it if you’d like, but it seems disingenuous to think that the current laws is intentionally targeting muslims. Again, Go ahead and burn the bible or Torah. From a law perspective you are entitled to do so today in 2022

 

I suggest that you visit the website of "stramkurs" to see what they say about muslims and the religion of Islam and then question what their motives might be when they "demonstrate", it is clearly and beyond a doubt to anger and provoke muslims, yet it is not considered "förargelseväckande beteende".

 

You previously stated that the law of “trosfrid” was abolished. Why would anyone care if it counts as “förargelseväckande beteende” or not from a lawful perspective? If you think they are saying things that would be considered as “hets mot folkgrupp”, then go right ahead and make a police report. My suggestion to you would be to ignore these sites and ignore these individuals who does such distasteful actions instead of troubling yourself reading their website and giving them traffic.

 

I do not know how long you have lived in sweden nor how much you follow its political news and recent history on a day to day basis. I am personally very interested and for anyone who has followed the news, the last 10 years development is extremely clear.

 

Which nationally implemented laws has come into realisation in the past decades that is exclusively anti-islamic in nature?

 

As for the money they send to the mosques, churches, etc, it is better that they stop doing that and that its own members pay a membership fee instead, that way they cannot dangle it over our heads and put demands about "democratic values" (i.e. secular values some going straight against our own values), furthermore some of those 14 milion SEK are coming from tax that I and other muslims have paid as well, it is not generated by non muslims only. Our tax money is also going towards promoting LGBTQ+ organisations as well.

 

You should voice your opinion to the head of the imam Ali center here where their contact information is found here: https://www.imamalicenter.se/sv/content/kontakta-oss. No one is dangling anything over anyones heads. Just follow the law and be responsible in choosing who you assign as sheikh, so they won’t turn up to be bad actors breaking major laws of Sweden. Sounds a lot like defending these peoples action’s - Now you know at least where I got “that idea from”.

 

It is clear that the SD party will become a majority party in the near future and if you study SD, their political agendas (some linked above), it is beyond clear that they DO infact target muslims and Islam. Furthermore we can see how the rhetoric of the other parties have drastically shifted within these last 10 years, more and more mimicking what the populistic far right party of SD have been saying all along.

 

You have shifted the discussion to another topic. SD has not been in power for the past decades and yet you claim that the law TODAY, specifically target muslims. You have not proved this claim. Whatever happens in the future only Allah knows. But with the massive increase of refugees from Syria(a lot of muslims) in the previous years, it seems likely that they will play a major role in the future election(s). I would also like to see what policies Socialdemokraterna or Moderaterna has been mimicking SD with, that is anti-islamic - Would love to read what you got

 

If you do agree, then give it more time and you will see the fire while I have seen the smoke already. Personally I am planning to inshaAllah leave this country and I do not feel anything but disgust for its government and culture and I do not say that lightly, I say that as a person who has travelled and worked in more than 25 countries, I am able to see and compare, this is a spiritually dead country and its people are very arrogant.

 

May Allah be with you and grant you happiness. I for one, love this country with all my heart. It has an incredible wealthfare system to all of its citizens, and they abide by their laws strictly and corruption is extremely rare in comparison with the countries back home in the Middle East. They are pushing for student loans to be Riba free, in comparison with the countries from back home. They provide free education and encourage people to get educated and even pay a salary for educating yourself by obtaining a degree whether nationally or abroad. All the taxes you pay, goes into building infrastructure, provide free health care, increase the age progressively throughout the years for free dental care, from 18 to 21 and some “states” 23 years of age. Clean air, and clean streets constantly taken care of and if you ever find yourself financially in trouble, there is almost always of obtaining subsidies from the government. They even pay your children “salaries(maybe 120 dollars) ” for going to school. They allow people to exercise their own religion for all people, and provide financial help for establishing a community establishments. The government hire students under the age of 18 or 19 for summer work and place them in small businesses as well as large, without having the business pay a single dime for the children’s work; essentially being granted free labour to help businesses. Tax money is constantly given to establishments designated for, whether women or children who have suffered in the hands of abuse, treating them and ultimately giving them the chance of coming back and becoming an important and essential member of society who pays taxes for the overall best for all members of society. I’m not saying that Sweden is perfect either; there are a lot of things that can be better - but if you want to critique a country, make sure you don't mis-represent it rather than deal with their issues head on.

 

May Allah guide us all and show us the path of the Prophet(peace and blessing upon him and his family) and his Ahlul-bayt

Salam.

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I dont intend on getting into lengthy discussions with anonymous persons online, I do not have the time for that. If you are a brother and you are interested, we could meet in person instead and discuss.

You believe that I am misrepresenting sweden, I do not believe so. Perhaps you do not see what I see because you are not looking for it, while I am actively looking for it in order to decide my and my families best choice for our future. Your guest nickname is "Youth" safe to say I am not a youth and I have lived long enough to recognize what is happening.

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It is furthermore beyond me how any practicing muslim could love to live in the most secular country on earth, but perhaps if all that is important to you is education, work and generally having a comfortable physical life while surrounded by open fasad and haram then yes, sweden is a good place if all you care about are the physical aspects of life (all of which you have to pay for with relatively speaking extremely high tax) and not the spiritual aspects. From a spiritual aspect sweden is one of the worst countries on this earth that I have visited so far.

In short:

Life in sweden is like riding a first class flight straight into jahannam, it will be nice (relatively speaking) while your on the flight but the destination, not so much.

In the end its a question of what you want from your short life in dunya, safe to say you as a muslim, as an immigrant/child of an immigrant (MENA countries), are not welcomed in sweden and if you do not realize that yet, just wait some more years and it will become beyond evident.

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It seems that Sweden is going down the same path that the US did in 2016 to 2020 and possibly again in 2024. When Trump ran in 2016 and talked about banning Muslims from coming to the US, and talking about 'why does Islam hate us' and other extremely stupid and ignorant things he said, I told my wife 'Don't worry, he won't win. The American people are not that dumb to support some clown like Trump'. 

Well guess what happened ?

So I think to push these things aside and just think 'Well this wouldn't actually happen', is not a good idea, especially given the unstable times we are living in and the fact that there are very wealthy and powerful groups operating behind the scenes (mostly) in various places to destroy Islam and specifically the teaching of Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام)) and the system of Marja3at and Taqleed, We need to know what is going on and again, know about our religion in it's details so we don't get fooled by propaganda such as this 'documentary' and we are vigilant and aware concerning these types of issues. I am more careful than I used to be assuming bad and ridiculous things 'won't' happen. 

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5 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

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I dont intend on getting into lengthy discussions with anonymous persons online, I do not have the time for that. If you are a brother and you are interested, we could meet in person instead and discuss.

You believe that I am misrepresenting sweden, I do not believe so. Perhaps you do not see what I see because you are not looking for it, while I am actively looking for it in order to decide my and my families best choice for our future. Your guest nickname is "Youth" safe to say I am not a youth and I have lived long enough to recognize what is happening.

boiling-frog.jpg?w=504

It is furthermore beyond me how any practicing muslim could love to live in the most secular country on earth, but perhaps if all that is important to you is education, work and generally having a comfortable physical life while surrounded by open fasad and haram then yes, sweden is a good place if all you care about are the physical aspects of life (all of which you have to pay for with relatively speaking extremely high tax) and not the spiritual aspects. From a spiritual aspect sweden is one of the worst countries on this earth that I have visited so far.

In short:

Life in sweden is like riding a first class flight straight into jahannam, it will be nice (relatively speaking) while your on the flight but the destination, not so much.

In the end its a question of what you want from your short life in dunya, safe to say you as a muslim, as an immigrant/child of an immigrant (MENA countries), are not welcomed in sweden and if you do not realize that yet, just wait some more years and it will become beyond evident.

I dont intend on getting into lengthy discussions with anonymous persons online, I do not have the time for that.

 

You seem to have a lot of time vilifying Sweden in forums and social media though. I usually don’t have time neither as I have multitudinous exams coming up. But allhamidullilah Allah has granted me time to finally respond to these unjustified, wrongful characterisations of a country and its laws and share the correct view of what I believe and many others perceive as reality.

 

If you are a brother and you are interested, we could meet in person instead and discuss.

 

If you are unwilling to respond to my points, then I can not see it other than an attempt to dissuade the conversation into another manner. Nonetheless, with this invitation I shall accept. My only request is that we have it recorded and put in public, so that truth can be distinguished from falsehood, no matter whomever stands upon Haq. Since we most likely do not live in the same city, I can take this up in a zoom meeting or something of similar; only that it is recorded and placed so it may serve as educational for those who do not know.

 

You believe that I am misrepresenting sweden, I do not believe so. Perhaps you do not see what I see because you are not looking for it

 

The fact that you “actively” have to look for it in low trafficked, unknown sites, tells me that you have a conformational bias. You have yet to answer my points about where in the law, namely that Islam is being specifically singled out and targeted; but inshallah you would like to take them up during the discussion that will be put publicly on forum or YouTube, whichever you like.

 

while I am actively looking for it in order to decide my and my families best choice for our future.

 

May Allah show you a path for peace.

 

Your guest nickname is "Youth" safe to say I am not a youth and I have lived long enough to recognize what is happening.

 

With all due respect, insinuating that you are right and I am wrong based on age is no measurement to use in this context of who is more in lined with reality.

 

I have presented arguments in the post above and I have asked you questions of: where in the national law, which you insinuate, has a specific intention of targeting muslims maliciously today. The issue of tomorrow is in the hands of Allah. As I’ve stated before, A large amount(500 000) Syrians immigrants has been integrated into the Swedish society and mind you that the country as a whole is less than 10.5 million.

 

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Extremely disrespectful behaviour my uncle, saying that I am ignorant when I have presented clear valid arguments, which you decided to ignore and instead call me young and inexperienced, despite providing proof and asking you for proof for your claims. I will not entertain these methods of communications and have decided to follow the path of Ahlul-bayt of trying to keep things respectful. Members of this site claims to support the idea of strengthening and teaching youth about Islam, and yet here you are belittling. Subhanallah

 

May Allah guide us.

 

It is furthermore beyond me how any practicing muslim could love to live in the most secular country on earth, but perhaps if all that is important to you is education, work and generally having a comfortable physical life while surrounded by open fasad and haram then yes, sweden is a good place if all you care about are the physical aspects of life (all of which you have to pay for with relatively speaking extremely high tax) and not the spiritual aspects.

 

You know nothing of me nor my spirituality; nor my religiosity and priority in this dunya; what my ambitions are or my goals. The prophet(peace be upon him and his family) and his ahlul-bayt does not teach us to be judgemental, assumptive about individuals but rather humble. You may be right in those claims regarding Sweden, by the aspect of the law being against Muslims, and I am willing to hear your arguments and proofs; We both may be wrong; and I may be right. Only Allah knows. I won’t judge you my uncle on this communication that I’ve had with you alone and as an advice, neither should you. Alhamdullilah, Allah has not left me astray

 

From a spiritual aspect Sweden is one of the worst countries on this earth that I have visited so far.

 

What does this even mean? How do you quantify spirituality of a country? The country is secular and is ruled by non-religious laws. The country gives you the right to protest and expand your support by making a political party. Show the good morals tought to us from the Quran, the prophet(peace be upon him and his family) and his Ahlul-bayt and show them something better from what they know.

 

Life in sweden is like riding a first class flight straight into jahannam, it will be nice (relatively speaking) while your on the flight but the destination, not so much.

 

I am genuinly surprised with this type of rhetoric. Are you insinuating my ride is straight towards jahannam?

 

May Allah grant you and the righteous Muslims a passage into janna, Inshallah

 

In the end its a question of what you want from your short life in dunya, safe to say you as a muslim, as an immigrant/child of an immigrant (MENA countries), are not welcomed in sweden and if you do not realize that yet, just wait some more years and it will become beyond evident.

 

Thanks for sharing uncle. May Allah grant prosperous life for those

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In my opinion we have a lot of work to do as Shia's. 

First we need to understand that Comprehensive / Complete humanly possible understanding of the Religion needs to be looked at in an holistic way, 1) Faith (Aqeeda) 2) Islamic Ethics/Spirituality / Morals 3) Divine law / Fiqh. Plus Your special situation, The consequences of the action as it relates to you and people around you ( family) and long term impact, and what is your current environment etc......

There is an issue, 

1) It is allowed / permissible / Optional ( Halah or Mubah) so let's use it,  ( Intention is the operative factor here)

2)  It is allowed / permissible / Optional ( Halah or Mubah) so, I don't have to think about anything Islam allows it. ( common average person understanding).

If we as shia's come to an understanding to Think, about the General Rules and make an effort to understand them, and see if they are special permission, limited permission with clause or does this apply to me and what are the consequences considering my situation. We might be ok. 

Except for Haram ( Forbidden / Prohibited ) in Islamic Law. ( Except to save life). Everything else like Halal or Mubah needs to be taken as a general permission / option. And as the legally responsible person under the law, needs to evaluate his/her personal situation and make the best decision . Not that it is allowed so I can do it. or you can't stop because you are banning something allowed in Islam. This where the problem is. Utilizing the permission to achieve the desired goal. 

Islamic law, can't be used to achieve a goal with bad intentions. 

Intention is the key to our acts. 

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Watched the documentary.  All the people there were baited and entrapped.  Yes that is one way to do journalism.  But not true journalism where you want to expose the truth not what you fabricate.

Personally, I think a few "sheiks" were out of line to take money for doing the ceremony.  However, if two people want to get married (any type of marriage) it is their job to facilitate that.  If a man is looking for a wife and he wants to know if there are any eligible women, the leader of a community is likely to know and might make suggestions.  Again it goes with the job.  The journalists just want to bash the muslim community.  

We as muslims do need to do a better job of educating people about Islam and the various forms of marriage it allows for.  I personally think that Mutah is better than "dating".  I think all young people should do Mutah or Misyar in some form in order to learn about how to be a good spouse while still under their parents house and protection.  The contract can limit physical intimacy if that is what is desired by the family.  It shouldn't need to be hidden from anyone.  Also the contract should allow both the man and the woman to divorce or "break up" at any point.  The key is that we teach young people how to be a good spouse while simultaneously making it clear that we need to follow the rules set forth by Allah.  

Thoughts?

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I am not sure where you got the understanding that I have alot of time to post here, last time I was posting here was in august 2021.
It seems to me that you are quite fast to be offended and take things personally even when there is no offense meant or even any reference to you individually, thats also one of the reasons why I do not really like to discuss things over the internet/forums.

Feel free to email me your phone number and we can inshaAllah discuss things there, I do not have interest in convincing you in what I believe in, it makes no difference to reality what either one of us believe is true or false. I only offer you this since I do not have time to answer you back and forth here and since you seem adamant on knowing why I see sweden the way I do. Here is my email: tempemail1199@mail.com feel free to do as you like.

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On 5/13/2022 at 2:33 AM, Soldiers and Saffron said:

I was personally born and raised in Sweden and now I am 30+ years so I do in fact have quite a thorough understanding of the swedish country, its government and its secular agenda that it pushes towards religious groups, nowadays specifically on muslims

Salam

 

 

On 5/12/2022 at 7:44 PM, Guest Swedish Muslim said:

The documentary the OP is referring to is made by a swedish show called "Uppdrag granskning" which usually goes undercover to find news that are important to the swedish general public/society. The show is published by the governmental "news" agency SVT.

The documentary was an attempt at copy pasting what BBC did earlier in Iraq.

There was several factual incorrect points and descriptions made by the documentary writers regarding mutah, seemingly for the sake of causing headlines in swedish news, so called "sensational journalism" which is more or less the norm at this point.
It seems to have been a targeted and planned attack against muslims in sweden, one of several, with news coming just yesterday of the police giving further approval for the danish guy who burns up copies of the holy Quran as a "manifestation". Unfortunately swedish politicians and media have been targeting muslims and Islam more and more in the last 10 years.

For swedish speaking visitors I recommend watching this response video to the documentary, one of a series of responses that will inshaAllah be posted:
 

 

 

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19 hours ago, Soldiers and Saffron said:

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I am not sure where you got the understanding that I have alot of time to post here, last time I was posting here was in august 2021.
It seems to me that you are quite fast to be offended and take things personally even when there is no offense meant or even any reference to you individually, thats also one of the reasons why I do not really like to discuss things over the internet/forums.

Feel free to email me your phone number and we can inshaAllah discuss things there, I do not have interest in convincing you in what I believe in, it makes no difference to reality what either one of us believe is true or false. I only offer you this since I do not have time to answer you back and forth here and since you seem adamant on knowing why I see sweden the way I do. Here is my email: tempemail1199@mail.com feel free to do as you like.

I am not sure where you got the understanding that I have alot of time to post here, last time I was posting here was in august 2021.

 

I’ll take your word for it and say Salam. You seem like a very busy person so I won’t waste your time

 

It seems to me that you are quite fast to be offended and take things personally even when there is no offense meant or even any reference to you individually, thats also one of the reasons why I do not really like to discuss things over the internet/forums.

 

Subhannallah, May Allah guide us

 

Feel free to email me your phone number and we can inshaAllah discuss things there, I do not have interest in convincing you in what I believe in, it makes no difference to reality what either one of us believe is true or false. I only offer you this since I do not have time to answer you back and forth here and since you seem adamant on knowing why I see sweden the way I do. Here is my email: tempemail1199@mail.com feel free to do as you like.

 

The only reason as to why I’m "adamant" to find out why you view Sweden as intrinsically islamophobic country from a law perspective, is to show people how wrong this view is and not based in reality whatsoever. I think it’s quite evident what’s going on here. My uncle, with this I conclude our discussion as you do not seem interested in having this conversation nor have the time. You do not have any base for your beliefs, since the only thing I requested was a simple written law that targets muslims maliciously, and so far you have refused to provide one, in your two lengthy posts, for one reason or another. I think I have shown people here in the forum that the notion of Sweden having laws which specifically targets muslims maliciously is a complete fabrication and not based in reality whatsoever.

 

May Allah guide the Swedish muslim brothers and sisters and accept them into his paradise alongside with all the world muslims. By no means is Sweden a first flight ticket to jahannam, and May Allah guide the humble Swedes to the straight path of Islam and the prophet(peace be upon him and his family) and his Ahlul-bayt, especially those who humbly accepted us into their country and allowed us to practice Islam freely. 

 

Salam

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I don't think he said 'Sweden is an Islamophobic country'. This is mischaracterization. He is simply pointing out, as others have, the flaws in this 'documentary', and it is very doubtful whether the producers of this 'documentary' had any intentions other than spreading Islamophobia and insulting followers of Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام)) by their false allegations. 

I have never been to Sweden. I have been to Denmark several times, which I think is probably similar in terms of culture. I am 'well traveled' compared to most Americans. When I go to a new country, I don't go on a 'guided tour' with a group of Americans. These are boring to me. I like to go out and walk around to the normal places that people go and try to see what 'real' life is like there and get to know as much of the culture as possible while I am there. I have said in the past, and others have said that there are many wonderful things about these countries. They consistently score very high on the 'happiness index', and you can see why if you go there. People in general in these countries are generally friendly and tolerant, most places are clean, and the infrastructure is very good and organized compared to most other places in the world.  

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world

So they must be doing something right. This is my perspective, and in the interests of full disclosure, I am white (Ancestors from Northern Europe, various countries, though I grew up very far away from there) blond hair, green eyes. I am a man, so I don't wear hijab. So I realize that I am in a unique position, being Muslim, but actually looking quite like the locals. So there you go. 

At the same time, you cannot say they are now immune from any criticism and the brothers feels, and I also feel, that they are headed down the wrong path in terms of the political situation and this could end up alienating a significant portion of the population, who are Muslim and lead to bad consequences down the road. I think it is because the brother cares about Sweden and it's people that he is pointing this out in order to maybe affect some people into changing their mind about these issues and look at the facts objectively and if they want to know about Islam, or about 'Mutah', ask those people who actually know about the practice and how it is used in the real word, rather than looking at dubious sources for this type of information. Salam. 

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On 5/12/2022 at 2:35 PM, Guest Youth said:

For all those wondering, if the documentary grotesquely lied about these interviews, then why would the leader of imam Ali center who is responsible for most, if not all, of Sweden’s Shia establishments fire these individuals; and freeze their assets(that they annually receive from Swedish government) and put out a press release saying they are corroborating with the police and will deal with the individuals that has essentially done wrong? And what is this die-hard indirect defending of people who misuse mut’ah and you accepting woman who do mut’ah who are mentally unstable and unwell? Just denounce these individuals who manipulate by trying to find loopholes in Islam; and move on by accepting mut’ah as permissible instead of trashing a country as anti-islamic? 
 

it is completely disrespectful to accuse the Swedish government of having a specific agenda of hate for Muslims in general, let alone Shia when they give 14 million Swedish crowns annually to imam Ali center so it can thrive and strengthen community bonds and values. 

As for the people who constantly trash Sweden for “supporting” people who burn the Quran, maybe you shouldn’t have slept during “samhällskunskap” classes. Swedish law doesn’t care what books you burn. Go out and burn any books you like; they are NOT targeting Muslims by allowing ONLY burning of Qurans. I’m sick and tired of this forced victim mentality in all aspects of life. 
 

I was just asking if islamically it is permissible for a sheikh to exploit visibly fragile, desperate, depressed women into doing mut’ah. Thank you for those who answered.
 

May Allah guides us all and show us the path of the prophet(peace and blessing upon him and his family) and his Ahl-bayt. 

Salam

I don't know if you've heard of the game 'wack a mole'. It is a game where a doll that looks like a rodent pops up from a whole then quickly disappears again. As more and more pop up and quickly disappear, the object of the game is to try and hit as many as you can with a mallet (hammer) before they go back down into the hole. That's how you win the game. 

Documentaries like this are exactly like that game. It puts Muslims in a position to attempt to explain / justify all sorts of incidents which may or may not have actually happened in order to defend Islam as a religion. We are forced into playing a game which we will, in the end lose, because there are too many moles and too few hammers to ever win this game. Thus, my advice at the beginning. Supposing this incident did actually happen (which I am actually doubtful of), there are over 1 billion Muslims in the world, and millions of men who call themselves 'alim' and put on the religious cloths. Some of them are bound to abuse their position and act outside the boundaries set by the religion. If some people want to walk away with the impression that Islam is a religion that condones and promotes prostitution, in the guise of marriage (Mutah), then they will walk away with this impression, or at least some people will, based not on the religion but on documentaries like this that deliberately misrepresent the authentic teachings of Islam. They can take the word of these 'documentary' film makers, i.e. the Swedish government, or they can actually talk to those people who are actually knowledgeable about Mutah and ask them what the practice really is about. It's their choice. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) gave us free will and we don't have ability to take that away from people. 

My main concern is for the Shia brothers and sisters, that they don't watch documentaries like this and then believe the wrong impressions that the 'documentary' film makers are making. If you want good, real information about Mutah or about marriage in Islam in general, there are plenty of good resources that have been previously posted on this site. I can post them again if requested. 

What brothers and sisters need to understand about the Swedish government is a general statement about politics in Western Countries. Politics in Western countries is about numbers and math and not about what is right and wrong, what is just and what is moral. They take a poll, look at which groups they could potentially get votes from, and attempt to get those votes by doing whatever they need to do. In this case, the political party who made this documentary is going after the extremist right wing voters, just like Trump did in the US a few years ago. They're getting them by pandering to their idea and conjecture that Muslims are a negative element in society that must be 'contained' or 'destroyed'. So they will appreciate the fact that this documentary was done and maybe this political party who is behind it will pick up a few votes from it. The Swedish people who are not extreme right wing (i.e. most of them) will ignore this documentary or dismiss it as a 'hit piece', which is what it is. Many of these have been done before this, and many will come after.  So they don't lose those votes by making it, and might actually gain some votes from the right. That's what it's about, picking up votes and nothing more. 

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