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1 hour ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Who is the "Walker of the Earth"??

He is Amir al Muminin Imam  Ali(عليه السلام) 

 

 

 

 

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@Ashvazdanghe, Salaam...it can't be Imam Ali (a)...Imam Ali (a) died in 7th century

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1 minute ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Salaam...it can't be Imam Ali (a)...Imam Ali (a) died in 7th century

Allah can bring back anyone to life also he has been martyred which during Rij'a incident his companions  likewise Malik Ashtar will back to life for helping Imam Mahdi(aj) so returning  Amir al Muminin Imam  Ali(عليه السلام) is not strange.

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@Ashvazdanghe, any mention of ra'jah must be interpreted as merely symbolic references...there's only one physical resurrection (i.e. Day of Judgement)

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41 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

any mention of ra'jah must be interpreted as merely symbolic references...there's only one physical resurrection (i.e. Day of Judgement)

If it just symbolic reference  then it has no benefit for Imam  Mahdi(aj) but on the other hand they can help him both physically  & spiritual딨spiritually .

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On 4/19/2022 at 9:05 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

@Ashvazdanghe, any mention of ra'jah must be interpreted as merely symbolic references...there's only one physical resurrection (i.e. Day of Judgement). 

There is in Quran events where God caused death then later resurrected them back. 

There are literally people who will taste two lifes and two deaths before day of Judgement:

Qur'an 40:11

They will plead, “Our Lord! You made us lifeless twice, and gave us life twice.1 Now we confess our sins. So is there any way out?”

Anyway we have mutawatir narration about raj'ah and hundreds of narrations about it. It is essential for Shias to believe in it, but for sunnis it is not. 

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8 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

There is in Quran events where God caused death then later resurrected them back. 

Salaam bro, can you site some examples

 

8 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

Anyway we have mutawatir narration about raj'ah and hundreds of narrations about it. It is essential for Shias to believe in it, but for sunnis it is not.

Raj'ah is an essential aspect of Twelver ʿaqāʾid?—This is news to me—I shall delve deeper into this topic—I knew certain Shi'a (i.e. individuals) believe in it but I didn't know it was a mandatory pillar of our creed—do the ʾAkhbāri's consider it a mandatory creedal point btw? If it's mandatory, then why do we (Muslims) have a problem with the Hindu concept of reincarnation? This concept sort of mirrors the Hindu belief in rebirth or transmigration of souls does it not?

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12 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

f it's mandatory, then why do we (Muslims) have a problem with the Hindu concept of reincarnation? This concept sort of mirrors the Hindu belief in rebirth or transmigration of souls does it not?

It's comparing  apples with oranges because  reincarnation  & Raj'ah are totally  different  from each other because  in reincarnation  souls are transferring  from to any new body whether in human or animal form which a human soul can returns in body f an animal or body of another  person  while in Raj'a souls of deceased  will return to their former body without  any change  in level of soul  which  it has been mentioned in Dua Ahad.

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اَللَّهُمَّ إِنْ حَالَ بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَهُ ٱلْمَوْتُ ٱلَّذِي جَعَلْتَهُ عَلَىٰ عِبَادِكَ حَتْماً مَقْضِيّاً
allahumma in hala bayni wa baynahu almawtu alladhi ja`altahu `ala `ibadika hatman maqdiyyan
O Allah, if death that You have made inevitably and certainly incumbent upon Your servants stands between me and him,

 

فَأَخْرِجْنِي مِنْ قَبْرِي مُؤْتَزِراً كَفَنِي
fa'akhrijni min qabri mu'taziran kafani
then (please do) take me out of my grave using my shroud as dress,

 

شَاهِراً سَيْفِي
sharihan sayfi
unsheathing my sword,

 

مُجَرِّداً قَنَاتِي
mujarridan qanati
holding my lance in my hand,

 

مُلَبِّياً دَعْوَةَ ٱلدَّاعِي فِي ٱلْحَاضِرِ وَٱلْبَادِي
mulabbiyan da`wata aldda`i filhadiri walbadi
and responding to the call of the Caller who shall announce (his advent) in urban areas and deserts

https://www.duas.org/mobile/dua-ahad.html

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Rajʿa (Arabic: الرَّجعَة), is the belief that a group of people who have died will return to the Earth shortly after the reappearance of the twelfth Shi'a Imam, al-Mahdi (a). It is a belief particular to the Shi'a Muslims. The Qur'an has mentioned the story of some people who have been resurrected after death. Based on some hadiths, a number of perfect believers as well as a number of complete infidels will return to this world. The return of Imam Ali (a) and Imam al-Husayn (a) has been especially emphasized. Since there are mutawatir hadiths about raj'a, it is a certain fact. However, details about raj'a are not as certain.

 

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Raj'a is considered one of the necessary components of the Shi'a belief system. Al-Sharif al-Murtada, a Shi'a scholar and theologian, says, "The Twelver Shi'as are of the belief that at the time of Imam al-Mahdi's reappearance, God will bring back to a life a group among the believers, so that they may benefit from the righteous government of al-Mahdi (a), and gain the rewards of helping him and aiding him in establishing this government. A group from among the enemies will also be brought back to life, so that revenge can be taken on them."

'Allama Tabataba'i writes in al-Mizan, "Although the non-Shi'a denominations, accept the belief in the reappearance of al-Mahdi (a), and have widely reported (mutawatir) narrations from the Prophet (s) in this regard, they reject the issue of raj'a, and see this to be a belief particular to the Shi'as."

 

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Furthermore, the idea of raj'a appears in many of the recorded Ziyarahs and supplications, including the Al-Ziyara al-Jami'a al-Kabira, Ziyara Warith, Ziyara Arba'in, Ziyara Al Yasin, and Ziyara Rajabiyya, also the supplications of Wida' and 'Ahd.

 

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In Other Religions
The concept of raj'a can be found in the Old Testament. The Book of Ezekiel for instance, points towards the coming back to life of the Israelites and the rule of David (a) in the end of times . In the Book of Daniel, it is reported that 'In the end of times, many of those who are asleep within the earth will be awoken' .

The New Testament also speaks about the returning to life of the righteous people and the establishment of the Messiah's rule in the first resurrection, before the coming of the second resurrection .

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Raj'a

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33 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Raj'ah is an essential aspect of Twelver ʿaqāʾid?—This is news to me—I shall delve deeper into this topic—I knew certain Shi'a (i.e. individuals) believe in it but I didn't know it was a mandatory pillar of our creed—do the ʾAkhbāri's consider it a mandatory creedal point btw?

Salam there is no difference  between  Akhbaris  & Usulis  about believing  to it.

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In Tafseer Qummi, Volume 2 page 33 we read two similar conversations Imam Jafar Sadiq (عليه السلام) had with Hamaad and Bakr bin Muhammad al-Azdi:

Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) said: “What do people say about this verse: ‘And on the day when We will gather from every nation a party’? I said: ‘They say it is in Judgement Day’. He (عليه السلام) said: ‘Its not as they say – It is referring to Raj’ah. Would Allah gather (Yahshur) only a group from each nation and leave the rest? Rather the verse that is referring to Qiyamah is: ‘And we will gather them and not leave a single one of them behind’

 

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While discussing the beliefs of the Jews, Allamah Abdul Kareem Sharastani writes:

مسائلهم تدور على‏:‏ جواز النسخ ومنعه وعلى التشبيه ونفيه والقول بالقدر والجبرن وتجويز الرجعة واستحالتها‏ ۔۔۔ وأما جواز الرجعة‏:‏ فإنما وقع لهم من أمرين‏:‏ أحدهما حديث عزير عليه السلام إذ أماته الله مائة عام ثم بعثه والثاني حديث هارون عليه السلام

“The matters (beliefs) of Jews revolve around (the following things), reason and an absence of reasons for abrogation, the establishment of analogy and its denial, establishment of free will and fatalism and its denial, and the establishment of Rajat and its impossibility…The statement (belief) of the establishment of Rajat has appeared because of two reasons, first is the Hadeeth for Aziz (عليه السلام) according to which Allah caused his death for a hundred years and then resurrected him. Second is the incident of Harun (عليه السلام).”
Al-Milal wal-Nihal, vol. 1, page 211 and 212, published Cairo

Perhaps Abdul Kareem Sharastani failed to thoroughly study the Bible, had he read the Book of Daniel then he wouldn’t had just cited the narrations about Aziz (عليه السلام) and Harun (عليه السلام) but infact also relied on the Bible as proof.

 

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the renowned Sunni scholar Sheikh Muhammad Zahid al-Kawthari (d. 1371 H) affirms the concept of Raj’ah in his book Nadrat fi al-Kutub al-Khalida, pages 180-181:

His mocking statement about Shias that Raj’ah is the deed of the one who doesn’t read Quran carefully…where is Ahmad Amin about Uzair’s story, where is he about the story of the people of cave and these are intact verses and the statement of Allah is sufficient: Or the like of him (Uzair) who passed by a town, and it had fallen down upon its roofs; he said: When will Allah give it life after its death? So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him to life. He said: How long have you tarried? He said: I have tarried a day, or a part of a day. Said He: Nay! you have tarried a hundred years; then look at your food and drink– years have not passed over it; and look at your ass; and that We may make you a sign to men, and look at the bones, how We set them together, then clothed them with flesh; so when it became clear to him, he said: I know that Allah has power over all things. 002.259

http://www.shiapen.com/comprehensive/mahdi/doctrine-rajah.html

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40 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

If it's mandatory, then why do we (Muslims) have a problem with the Hindu concept of reincarnation? This concept sort of mirrors the Hindu belief in rebirth or transmigration of souls does it not?

 

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2. The main difference between raj‘ah and tanasukh {transmigration}

It is necessary to point out that in the view of the Shi‘ah the issue of raj‘ah never entails believing in transmigration {tanasukh}, for the theory of transmigration is grounded on the denial of Resurrection and regards the world in perpetual cycle and every cycle is a repetition of the previous one.

According to this theory, the soul of every man returns after death to the world and unite another body. Thus, if the soul was good in the previous time (life), it will unite a body with which it will enjoy a good life, but if it was among the bad ones, it will unite a body with which it will face a difficult life. And this return represents its resurrection!

Conversely, because those who believe in raj‘ah abide by the Islamic law, they believe in the Day of Resurrection and think that it is impossible for the soul which has separated from the body to unite another body.8

 

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Rather, they believe that a group of human beings shall return to this world before the Resurrection and after the wisdoms and profit of return are accomplished, they shall die again and be mustered with the rest of human beings on the Day of Resurrection. And after the separation of soul from the body, the soul will never transfer to another body.

https://www.al-islam.org/shia-rebuts-sayyid-rida-husayni-nasab/question-10-what-rajah-return-and-why-do-you-believe-it

43 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Raj'ah is an essential aspect of Twelver ʿaqāʾid?

 

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Anyway, raj"ah is not one of the fundamentals of Islam, belief in which is compulsory; but our belief stems from the authenticated traditions of the Household of the Prophet, whom we know to be infallible. For it is one of the unseen things which they relate, and there is nothing which suggests that it cannot take place.

https://hawzah.net/en/Article/View/79441/The-Second-Coming-"rajah"-from-the-Shiite-Point-of-View

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@Ashvazdanghe, thank you for providing reference material—I'll try to keep an open mind as I probe through the information—I have a quick unrelated question—is it a mandatory creedal point for Twelvers to believe Prophet Muhammad (s) split the moon?—some Sunnis say it's mandatory in order to be considered part of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah—what's our stance on this matter?—thanks

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On 4/16/2022 at 12:09 AM, Muslim2010 said:

Imam Mahdi (عليه السلام) and Rising Sun from West

8 - محمد بن همام قال: حدثنا أحمد بن مابنداذ قال: حدثنا محمد بن مالك، قال: حدثنا محمد بن سنان، عن الكاهلي عن أبي عبد الله ع أنه قال:

تواصَلوا وتبارّوا وتراحموا، فوالذي فلق الحبّة وبرأ النسَمة ليأتينّ عليكم وقتٌ لا يجد أحدُكم لديناره ودرهمِه موضعاً.

فقلت: وأنى يكون ذلك؟

فقال: عند فقدِكم إمامَكم، فلا تزالون كذلك حتى يطلع عليكم كما تطلع الشمس آيسُ ما تكونون، فإيّاكم والشك والإرتياب، وانفوا عن أنفسكم الشكوكَ وقد حذرتُكم فاحذروا، أسأل الله توفيقَكم وإرشادكم.

(8) Muhammad bin Hammam narrated from Ahmad bin Mabindath from Muhammad bin Malik from Muhammad bin Sinan from al-Kahili that Abu Abdullah as-Sadiq (s) had said:

“O people, interconnect and be pious and kind to each other! By Him, Who has split the seed and created man, that a time will come to you that none of you will find a place for his dinar and dirham.”[i]

Al-Kahili asked him: “And when will that be?”

He said: “When you miss your imam and you remain so for a time until he appears to you like the sun while you are so desperate. Beware to doubt and suspect. Drive doubts away from yourselves. I have warned you, so be careful! I pray Allah to guide you and to make you succeed.”

9 - أخبرنا عبد الواحد بن عبد الله بن يونس قال: حدثنا أحمد بن محمد بن رباح الزهري، عن أحمد بن علي الحميري، عن الحسن بن أيوب، عن عبد الكريم بن عمرو الخثعمي، عن محمد بن عصام، قال: حدثني المفضل بن عمر قال:

كنت عند أبي عبد الله ع في مجلسه ومعي غيري، فقال لنا: إياكم والتنويه.

وكنت أراه يريد غيري، فقال لي: يا أبا عبد الله، إياكم والتنويه، واللهِ ليغيبنّ سبتاً من الدهر، وليخملنّ حتى يقال: مات أو هلك؟ بأيّ واد سلك؟ ولتفيضنّ عليه أعينُ المؤمنين وليكفأن كتكفّئ السفينة في أمواج البحر حتى لا ينجو إلاّ مَن أخذ الله ميثاقه وكتب الإيمان في قلبه وأيّده بروح منه. ولترفعنّ اثنتا عشرة راية مشتبهة لا يعرف أيّ من أيّ.

قال المفضل: فبكيت، فقال لي: ما يبكيك؟

قلت: جعلت فداك، كيف لا أبكي وأنت تقول: ترفع اثنتا عشرة راية مشتبهة لا يعرف أيّ من أيّ؟

(قال) فنظرَ إلى كوّة في البيت التي تطلع فيها الشمس في مجلسه فقال: أهذه الشمس مضيئة؟

قلت: نعم؟

فقال: واللهِ لأمرُنا أضوء منها.

(9) Abdul Wahid bin Abdullah bin Younus narrated from Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Rabah az-Zuhri from Ahmad bin Ali al-Himyari from al-Hasan bin Ayyoob from Abdul-Kareem bin Amr al-Khath’ami from Muhammad bin Issam that al-Mufadhdhal bin Umar had said: Once I was with Abu Abdullah as-Sadiq (s) in his meeting and there were others. He said to us:

“Beware of allusion!” He meant with the name of al-Qa’im.

I noticed that he had intended other than me. He said to me:

“O Abu Abdullah, beware of allusion! By Allah, he (al-Qa’im) will be hidden (by the will of Allah) for a period of time and he will be ignored until it will be said that he has died or perished or (it is unknown that) which valley he has followed. The believers will weep bitterly for him. There will be turning-over as a ship among the waves of the sea until no one will be saved except those, who has promised Allah sincerely, whom Allah has assisted with a mercy of Him and in whose hearts Allah has fixed faith. Twelve suspicious banners will be raised, none of which will be distinguished from the other.”

(Al-Mufadhdhal said) I began to cry. He said to me: “What for are you crying?”

I said: “May I die for you! How do I not cry whereas you say that twelve suspicious banners will be raised that none of them will be distinguished from the other?”

He looked at an aperture in the house, from which the sun shined into the place of his meeting, and said: Is this the sun that is shining?”

I said: “Yes, it is.”: “By Allah, our matter (the imamate of al-Mahdi) is brighter than the sun.”

10 - محمد بن همام قال: حدثنا جعفر بن محمد بن مالك وعبد الله بن جعفر الحميري جميعاً قالا: حدثنا محمد بن الحسين بن أبي الخطاب ومحمد بن عيسى وعبد الله بن عامر القصباني جميعاً، عن عبد الرحمن بن أبي نجران، عن محمد بن مساور، عن المفضل بن عمر الجعفي قال: سمعت الشيخ - يعني أبا عبد الله ع - يقول:

إيّاكم والتنويه، أما والله ليغيبنّ سبتاً من دهركم، وليخملنّ حتى يقال: مات، هلك، بأيّ وادٍ سلك؟ ولتدمعنّ عليه عيون المؤمنين وليكفأن تكفّأ السفينة في أمواج البحر فلا ينجو إلاّ مَن أخذ الله ميثاقه وكتب في قلبه الإيمان وأيّده بروح منه، ولترفعنّ اثنتا عشرة رايةً مشتبهة لا يدرى أيّ من أيّ.

(قال) فبكيت ثم قلت له: كيف نصنع؟

فقال: يا أبا عبد الله، - ثم نظر إلى شمس داخلة في الصفّة - أترى هذه الشمس؟

فقلت: نعم.

فقال: لأمرُنا أبْيَنُ من هذه الشمس.

(10) Muhammad bin Hammam narrated from Ja'far bin Muhammad bin Malik and Abdullah bin Ja'far al-Himyari from Muhammad bin al-Husayn bin Abul-Khattab, Muhammad bin Eessa and Abdullah bin Aamir al-Qasabani from Abdurrahman bin Abu Najran from Muhammad bin Musawir that al-Mufadhdhal bin Umar al-Ju’fi had said: I heard the sheikh-he meant Abu Abdullah as-Sadiq (s) - saying:

“Beware of allusion! By Allah he (Imam al-Mahdi) will be hidden (by the will of Allah) for a period of time and he will be ignored until it will be said that he has died, perished or be lost in an unknown valley. The eyes of the believers will shed a lot of tears for him. Turning over will occur as a ship in a rough sea. No one will be saved except those, whom Allah has promised, fixed faith in their hearts and assisted with His mercy. Twelve suspicious banners will be raised, none of which will be distinguished from each other.”

I began to cry and then I asked him: “What will we do then?”

He looked at a ray of the sun shining into the shed and said to me: “O Abu Abdullah (al-Mufadhdhal), do you see this sun?”

I said: “Yes, I do.”

He said: “By Allah, our matter is clearer than this sun.”

(Chapter 10, Disappearance of the expected Imamm, Ghayba Naumani.)

6 - أخبرنا محمد بن يعقوب قال: حدثنا أبو القاسم بن العلاء الهمداني رفعه عن عبد العزيز بن مسلم قال: كنا مع مولانا الرضا ع بمرو، فاجتمعنا وأصحابنا في الجامع يوم الجمعة في بدء مقدمنا، فأداروا أمر الإمامة، وذكروا كثرة الاختلاف فيها فدخلت على سيدي الرضا ع فأعلمته خوض الناس في ذلك فتبسم ع، ثم قال:……

……إن الإمامة زمام الدين ونظام أمور المسلمين وصلاح الدنيا وعزّ المؤمنين. إن الإمامة هي أس الإسلام النامي وفرعه السامي. بالإمام تمام الصلاة والزكاة والصيام والحج والجهاد، وتوفير الفيء والصدقات وإمضاء الحدود والاحكام ومنع الثغور والأطراف. الإمام يحل حلال الله ويحرم حرام الله ويقيم حدود الله ويذب عن دين الله ويدعو إلى سبيل ربه بالحكمة والموعظة الحسنة والحجة البالغة. الإمام الشمس الطالعة المجللة بنورها للعالم وهي في الأفق بحيث لا تنالها الأيدي والأبصار…….

Muhammad bin Ya'qoob narrated from Abul Qassim bin al-Ala’ al-Hamadani that Abdul Aziz bin Muslim had said: We were with Imam ar-Redha (s) in Marw. We met with our companions in the mosque on Friday. They discussed the matter of the imamate. They mentioned how much disagreement there was about this subject. I came to my master Imam ar-Redha (s) and told him of what people had discussed. He smiled and said:….

.... Imamate is the reins of religion, the system that runs the Muslims’ affairs, the goodness of life and the honor of the believers. Imamate is the progressive basis of Islam. With the imam prayers, zakat, fasting, hajj, jihad, finance, charities, judgements, penalties and protecting the boundaries become perfect. The imam permits what Allah has permitted and prohibits what Allah has prohibited. He defends the religion of Allah, carries out His penalties and invites to the way of his Lord with wisdom, fair exhortation and with inevitable evidence. An imam is the shining sun that spreads its light all over the world while it is in the sky where neither hands nor eyes can harm it.

(Chapter 13, Al-Qa'im’s aspects and deeds, Ghayba Naumani)

٦ - أمالي الصدوق: السناني، عن ابن زكريا، عن ابن حبيب، عن الفضل بن الصقر

عن أبي معاوية، عن الأعمش، عن الصادق عليه السلام قال: لم تخلو الأرض منذ خلق الله

آدم من حجة لله فيها ظاهر مشهور، أو غائب مستور، ولا تخلو إلى أن تقوم الساعة

من حجة لله فيها، ولولا ذلك لم يعبد الله، قال سليمان: فقلت للصادق عليه السلام: فكيف

ينتفع الناس بالحجة الغائب المستور؟ قال: كما ينتفعون بالشمس إذا سترها

السحاب.

(The book) ‘Al Amaali’ of Al Sadouq – Al Sinany, from Ibn Zakariya, from Ibn Habeeb, from Al Fazl Bin Al Saqr, from Abu Muawiya, from Al Amsh,

‘From Al-Sadiq-asws having said: ‘Since Allah-azwj Created Adam-as, the earth has not been vacant from a Divine Authority of Allah-azwj being in it, either apparent, well-known, or absent (in occultation), veiled, and will not be empty from there being a Divine Authority of Allah-azwj in it, up to the establishment of the Hour, and had it not been for that, Allah-azwj would not be worshipped’.

Suleyman said, ‘I said to Al-Sadiq-asws, ‘So how can the people benefit with the Divine Authority (who is) absent (in occultation), veiled?’ He-asws said:Just as they are benefiting with the sun when the clouds veil it’’.

باب 20 علة الغيبة و كيفية انتفاع الناس به في غيبته صلوات الله عليه

(Chapter 20 – Reason For The Occultation And How The People Benefit With It During His-Ajfj Occultation, May The Salawaat Of Allah-Azwj Be Upon Him-Ajfj, Bahaar ul Anwaar, Vol 52)

٤٩ - الغيبة للنعماني: علي بن أحمد، عن عبيد الله بن موسى، عن محمد بن الحسين، عن

محمد بن شيبان، عن عمار بن مروان، عن منخل بن جميل، عن جابر بن يزيد، عن

أبي جعفر الباقر عليه السلام أنه قال: اسكنوا ما سكنت السماوات والأرض أي لا تخرجوا

على أحد فان أمركم ليس به خفاء ألا إنها آية من الله عز وجل ليست من الناس

ألا إنها أضوء من الشمس لا يخفى على بر، ولا فاجر أتعرفون الصبح؟ فإنه كالصبح

ليس به خفاء.

(The book) ‘Al Ghayba’ of Al Numani – Ali Bin Ahmad, from Ubeydullah Bin Musa, from Muhammad Bin Al-Husayn, from Muhammad Bin Shayban, from Ammar Bin Marwan, from Munakhal Bin Jameel, from Jabir Bin Yazeed, ‘From Abu Ja’far Al-Baqir-asws having said: ‘Be calm for as long as the skies and the earth are calm, i.e. do not rebel against anyone, for your matter, there is no hiding it. Indeed! It is a Sign from Allah-azwj Mighty and Majestic. It isn’t from the people. Indeed! It is more illuminating that the sun, not hidden upon a righteous one nor an immoral one. Do you recognize the morning? It is like the morning. There is no hiding it’’.

باب 22 فضل انتظار الفرج و مدح الشيعة في زمان الغيبة و ما ينبغي فعله في ذلك الزمان

(Chapter 22 – merits of awaiting the relief and praise of the shias in the time of occultation and what is Appropriate to be doing during that time, Bahaar Ul Anwaar, Vol. 52)

٤ - تفسير علي بن إبراهيم: في رواية أبي الجارود، عن أبي جعفر عليه السلام في قوله: "
إن الله
قادر على أن ينزل آية " ( ٣) وسيريك في آخر الزمان آيات منها دابة الأرض
والدجال، ونزول عيسى بن مريم، وطلوع الشمس من مغربها.
وعنه عن أبي جعفر عليه السلام في قوله: " قل هو القادر على أن يبعث عليكم عذابا
من فوقكم " ( ١) قال: هو الدجال والصيحة " أو من تحت أرجلكم " وهو الخسف
" أو يلبسكم شيعا " وهو اختلاف في الدين، وطعن بعضكم على بعض " ويذيق بعضكم
بأس بعض " وهو أن يقتل بعضكم بعضا وكل هذا في أهل القبلة
ة.

 Tafseer Al Qummi – In a report of Abu Al Jaroud,

‘From Abu Ja’far-asws regarding His-azwj Words: ‘Surely Allah is Able upon Sending down a Sign [6:37], and He-azwj will Show you signs at the end of times. From these is walker of the earth, and Al-Dajjal-la, and descent of Isa-as Ibn Maryam-as, and rising of the sun from its west’’.

 .25 (باب).

* (علامات ظهوره صلوات الله عليه من السفياني والدجال) *

(وغير ذلك وفيه ذكر بعض أشراط الساعة)

 

(Chapter 25 – Signs Of His-Ajfj Appearance, May The Salawaat Of Allah-Azwj Be Upon Him-Ajfj, From Al-Sufyani, And Al-Dajjal-La, And Other Than That, And In It Is Mention Of Some Of The Conditions Of The Hour, Bahaar ul Anwaar, Vol.52)

٢٦ - إكمال الدين: الطالقاني، عن الجلودي، عن الحسين بن معاذ، عن قيس بن

حفص، عن يونس بن أرقم، عن أبي سيار الشيباني، عن الضحاك بن مزاحم، عن

النزال بن سبرة قال: خطبنا علي بن أبي طالب عليه السلام فحمد الله وأثنى عليه، ثم قال:

سلوني أيها الناس قبل أن تفقدوني - ثلاثا - فقام إليه صعصعة بن صوحان، فقال

يا أمير المؤمنين متى يخرج الدجال؟ فقال له علي عليه السلام:

 (The book) ‘Ikmal Al Deen’ – Al Talaqany, from Al Jaloudy, from Al-Husayn Bin Muaz, from Qays Bin Hafs, from Yunus Bin Arqam, from Abu Sayyar Al Shaybani, from Al Zahhaq Bin Muzahim, from Al Nazal Bin Sabrah who said, ‘Ali-asws Bin Abu Talib-asws addressed us. He-asws praised Allah-azwj and extolled upon Him-azwj, then said: ‘O you people! Ask me-asws before you lose me-asws!’ – thrice. Sa’sa Bin Sowhan stood up to him-asws and said, ‘O Amir Al-Momineen-asws! When will Al-Dajjal-la emerge?’…..

  ألا إن بعد ذلك الطامة الكبرى، قلنا: وما ذلك يا أمير المؤمنين؟ قال:..

خروج دابة من الأرض، من عند الصفا، معها خاتم سليمان، وعصى موسى، تضع

الخاتم على وجه كل مؤمن، فيطبع فيه " هذا مؤمن حقا " وتضعه على وجه كل

كافر فيكتب فيه " هذا كافر حقا " حتى أن المؤمن لينادي: الويل لك يا كافر وإن

الكافر ينادي طوبى لك يا مؤمن! وددت أني اليوم مثلك فأفوز فوزا ثم ترفع الدابة

رأسها، فيراها من بين الخافقين بإذن الله عز وجل، بعد طلوع الشمس من مغربها

فعند ذلك ترفع التوبة فلا توبة تقبل، ولا عمل يرفع " ولا ينفع نفسا إيمانها لم

تكن آمنت من قبل أو كسبت في إيمانها خيرا

Indeed! After that would be the great distress!’ We said, ‘And what is that O Amir Al-Momineen-asws?’

 He-asws said: ‘Emergence of walker of the earth by Al-Safa. With it would be the ring of

Suleyman-as, and staff of Musa-as. He will place the ring upon the face of every Momin and stamp upon him: ‘This is a Momin, truly’, and place upon the face of every Kafir, and it would be inscribed upon it: ‘This is a Kafir, truly’. Until the Momin would call out, ‘The woe be unto you, O Kafir!’, and the Kafir would call out, ‘Beatitude is for you, O Momin! I wish I had been like you today, so I would have succeeded with a success!’

 Then the walker would raise its head and see the ones between the two sides, by the

Permission of Allah-azwj Mighty and Majestic, after rising of the sun from its west. During that, the (opportunity) of repentance would be raised, so there will neither be any repentance being accepted nor any deed to be raised, a soul will not benefit from its Eman which had not believed from before or earned goodness during its Eman. [6:158]’.

  ثم قال عليه السلام: لا تسألوني عما يكون بعد ذلك فإنه عهد إلي حبيبي عليه السلام

أن لا أخبر به غير عترتي.
فقال النزال بن سبرة لصعصعة: ما عنى أمير المؤمنين بهذا القول؟ فقال صعصعة:
يا ابن سبرة إن الذي يصلي خلفه عيسى بن مريم هو الثاني عشر من العترة، التاسع
من ولد الحسين بن علي، وهو الشمس الطالعة من مغربها، يظهر عند الركن والمقام
يطهر الأرض، ويضع ميزان العدل فلا يظلم أحد أحدا فأخبر أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام
أن حبيبه رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله عهد إليه ألا يخبر بما يكون بعد ذلك غير عترته
الأئمة
[صلوات الله عليهم أجمعين].

.

 Al-Nazzal Bin Sabrah said to Sa’sa, ‘What did Amir Al-Momineen-asws mean by this word?’ Sa’sa said, ‘O Ibn Sabrah! The one behind whom Isa-as Ibn Maryam-as would be praying Salat, he-ajfj is the twelfth from the offspring, the ninth from the sons-asws of Al-Husayn-asws Bin Ali-asws, and  he-ajfj is the sun emerging from its west.

He-ajfj shall appear by Al Rukn (The Yemeni corner) and Al Maqam (of Ibrahim-as), and he-ajfj will place the scale of justice, so no one will be unjust to anyone. Amir Al-Momineen-asws informed that his-asws beloved Rasool-Allah-saww had pacted to him-asws that he-asws should not inform with what would be happening after that, other than to his-asws offspring, the Imams asws, may the Salawaat of Allah-azwj be upon them-asws all!

 (Chapter 25 – Signs Of His-Ajfj Appearance, May The Salawaat Of Allah-Azwj Be Upon Him-Ajfj, From Al-Sufyani, And Al-Dajjal-La, And Other Than That, And In It Is Mention Of Some Of The Conditions Of The Hour, Bahaar ul  Anwaar, Vol.52)

The Arabic text of above last hadith can also be read from IKamal ud din by Sheikh Saduq at the link given below:

: كمال الدين و تمام النعمة: الشيخ الصدوق    جلد : 2  صفحه : 527

https://lib.eshia.ir/27045/2/527

 Conclusion:

 In the light of above hadiths the following truth can be derived:

 1.     An imam is the shining sun that spreads its light all over the world while it is in the sky where neither hands nor eyes can harm it.

2.     The matter of the imamate of al-Mahdi is brighter than the sun.

3.     The people benefit with Imam (who is) absent (in occultation), veiled?’‘Just as they are benefitting with the sun when the clouds veil it.

4.     The signs for appearance of the Imam Al Mahdi a,s include: Walker of the earth, and Al-Dajjal-la, and descent of Isa-as Ibn Maryam-as, and rising of the sun from its west’’.

5.     Imam Al Mahdi (عليه السلام) is the one behind whom Isa-as Ibn Maryam-as would be praying Salat, he-ajfj is the twelfth from the offspring, the ninth from the sons-asws of Al-Husayn-asws Bin Ali-asws, and  he-ajfj is the sun emerging from its west.

 Thus it provides the evidence that Imam Al Mahdi (عليه السلام) is referred as the Sun rising / emerging from the West.

 wasalam

This was very interesting, I used to think that sun rising from the west meant that power would be in the hands of West. Thank you so much for sharing it.

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47 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

is it a mandatory creedal point for Twelvers to believe Prophet Muhammad (s) split the moon?—some Sunnis say it's mandatory in order to be considered part of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah—what's our stance on this matter?—thanks

Salam undoubtedly it's not it's not "mandatory creedal point for Twelvers"in similar fashion Sunnis just has mentioned it as a miracle not  a creedal point which it's first time I have seen this statement  which title of "Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah" is a title which wahabists  & Salafis call themselves with it in order to hide their identity  which they try to fabricate  new creedal point for themselves  likewise this,which  although  it has been  mentioned  in  shia books as miracle of prophet  Muhammad (pbu) but on the other hand there are another shia interpretations in similar fashion  of interpretation of "Rising Sun from West", it has mentioned  as a great event which relates to reappearance  of Imam  Mahdi(aj) too which both of them are just referring  to great events while both of them are not "mandatory creedal point for Twelvers"

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Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) - Mufaddal Ibn Umar says: I asked my Imam Imam Sadiq (as): "Is the mission of Mahdi Montazer (there is a certain time that people should know when it will be?" He said: God forbids which Allah appoints  atime in way that our Shiites know that. ”I said,“ Why, sir? ”He said,“ Because the time of his appearance is the hour that God say.:اقْتَرَبَتِ السَّاعَةُ وَ انْشَقَّ الْقَمَر».

Biha al anwar v53 p1

http://alvahy.com/قمر/1

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2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

but on the other hand there are another shia interpretations in similar fashion  of interpretation of "Rising Sun from West", it has mentioned  as a great event which relates to reappearance  of Imam  Mahdi(aj) too which both of them are just referring  to great events while both of them are not "mandatory creedal point for Twelvers"

I like to further add the following text (as google translation from the original link is given below) about the "Rising of Sun from West".

" It is one of the signs of advent mentioned in the narrations. The occurrence of such a phenomenon, if its apparent meaning is meant, will require the disintegration of the world system and the change in the motion of the solar system, and this is not compatible with the principles governing the natural system. Certainly, Hazrat Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) will establish his world government on this earth. 

It clarifies that the meaning of sunrise from the west is Hazrat Mahdi (عليه السلام). 

Feyz Kashani writes: It seems that the sunrise from the west is a reference to the appearance of Hazrat Mahdi (AS); As some news is used in the narration of Sassah, which introduces this incident as a sign of emergence, there is a sentence that indicates this meaning."

https://www.porseman.com/article/طلوع-خورشيد-از-مغرب/180376

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4 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Salaam bro, can you site some examples

 

Wa Aleikum Salaam,

This is literally Raj'ah:

1. And when you said, ‘O Moses, we will not believe you until we see Allah visibly.’ Thereupon a thunderbolt seized you as you looked on. (55) Then We raised you up after your death so that you might give thanks. (Qur'an, 2:55-56)

2. Or him who came upon a township as it lay fallen on its trellises. He said, ‘How will Allah revive this after its death?!’ So Allah made him die for a hundred years, then He resurrected him. He said, ‘How long have you remained?’ Said he, ‘I have remained a day or part of a day.’ He said, ‘Rather you have remained a hundred years. Now look at your food and drink which have not rotted! Then look at your ass! [This was done] that We may make you a sign for mankind. And look at the bones, how We arrange them and then clothe them with flesh!’ When it became evident to him, he said, ‘I know that Allah has power over all things.’ (Qur'an, 2:259)

3.  And when you killed a soul, and accused one another about it—and Allah was to expose what you were concealing— We said, 'Strike him with a piece of it:' thus does Allah revive the dead, and He shows you His signs so that you may exercise your reason. (Qur'an, 2:72-73)

4. Have you not regarded those who left their homes in thousands, apprehensive of death, whereupon Allah said to them, 'Die,' then He revived them? Indeed Allah is gracious to mankind, but most people do not give thanks. (Qur'an, 2:243)

5. When Allah will say, O Jesus son of Mary, remember My blessing upon you and upon your mother, when I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit, so you would speak to the people in the cradle and in adulthood, and when I taught you the Book and wisdom, the Torah and the Evangel, and when you would create from clay the form of a bird, with My leave, and you would breathe into it and it would become a bird, with My leave; and you would heal the blind and the leper, with My leave, and you would raise the dead, with My leave; and when I held off [the evil of] the Children of Israel from you when you brought them manifest proofs, whereat the faithless among them said, ‘This is nothing but plain magic.’ (Qur'an, 5:110)

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13 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

There is in Quran events where God caused death then later resurrected them back. 

There are literally people who will taste two lifes and two deaths before day of Judgement:

Qur'an 40:11

They will plead, “Our Lord! You made us lifeless twice, and gave us life twice.1 Now we confess our sins. So is there any way out?”

Anyway we have mutawatir narration about raj'ah and hundreds of narrations about it. It is essential for Shias to believe in it, but for sunnis it is not. 

From what I understand, and also the lectures of Br. Khalil Jaafer (I will find the exact one if requested)

The two instances of 'made us lifeless' are the death that happens when we move from this dunya to the barzakh (i.e. death) and then when we die in the barzakh and are raised on the Day of Judgement. 'Gave us life twice' means when we are given life in this world, and when we are given life either in the Barzakh or on the Day of Judgement. 

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3 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

 but on the other hand there are another shia interpretations in similar fashion  of interpretation of "Rising Sun from West", it has mentioned  as a great event which relates to reappearance  of Imam  Mahdi(aj) too which both of them are just referring  to great events while both of them are not "mandatory creedal point for Twelvers"

14. طلوع خورشید از مغرب

بر این اساس طلوع خورشید از مغرب معناى کنایى دارد و در حقیقت تشبیه شده است ظهور حضرت مهدى(عجل الله تعالی فرجه الشریف) به طلوع خورشید از غروبگاهش. همان گونه که خورشید پس از آن که چهره در نقاب شب فرو مى کشد دوباره پرده هاى سیاهى را مى درد و طلیعه روشن آن از کرانه هاى افق پرتوافشانى مى کند حضرت مهدى(عجل الله تعالی فرجه الشریف) نیز پس از طى دوران محنت و محرومیت و سپرى شدن روزگار غیبت و انتظار ظهور مى کند بسان خورشیدى جهان فتنه عدالت و بستوه آمده از ظلم و ستم و بى عدالتى را با پرتو  حیاتبخش عدالت زنده و روشن مى کند.

Approx. Translation:

Accordingly, the rising of the sun from the west has an ironic meaning, and in fact, the advent of Hazrat Mahdi ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) is likened to the rising of the sun from its setting. Just as the sun breaks the black curtains again after the face is covered in the mask of night, and its bright beginning radiates from the shores of the horizon, so Hazrat Mahdi ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) after a period of hardship and deprivation And the passing of the time of absence and waiting appears like the sun of the world, reviving and illuminating the sedition of justice and the plague of oppression and injustice with the life-giving light of justice.
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I don't find any reason that the rising of the sun from west is literal. If it happen by natural causes, then people will think it will be just an normal event and still be in disbelief. The hadith says that it will cause everyone believe in Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) but those who did not believe before will not benefit from it.

If it happen as miracle, then scientists will create theories of how it could be possible.

This leaves me that it must be about Imam Mehdi (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) who will literally show God signs to all and no one can deny him.

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