Why Society's Values Are Deteriorating

[علوي]

I wrote this short paragraph for school about whether or not society's values have been deteriorating. (Not asking for feedback or anything, just sharing it for fun, although I am open to it). Just thought it might be interesting to some people, idk. Here it is:

Society's values have definitely been deteriorating in recent time, and there are many proofs for this. For example, it is rare to find a politician who is not either a thief, a tyrant, or a warlord. All of the politicians are corrupt in this era. If the leaders of society are immoral, then no doubt the ones who voted them in will be immoral. Another proof that society's morals have been deteriorating is that there are people starving in poor countries such as Yemen, yet the 'international community' refuse to condemn Saudi Arabia, (most likely because they're getting that oil, and that's another example of corruption). Besides Yemen, there are thousands innocent people suffering in Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and more, but the mainstream media won't mention them. When it comes to fair skinned, blue eyed Ukrainians, however, the whole 'international community' jump on the issue and condemn Russia. Besides these, there are many more ways that society's values are deteriorating such as a rise in gambling and alcohol, people dressing provocatively, cursing and swearing, raised importance of material things, immoral treatment of people through racism and sexism, viewing religion as backward, widespread slaughtering of both people an animals, exploitation of children for large companies, mistreatment and negative views of women, and many more. However, for the sake of conciseness, these will not be explained in further detail. From the two main arguments mentioned earlier, it is evident that the values of society have been deteriorating in recent time. 

Like I said, it was only supposed to be a paragraph, I may have gone over the limit just a bit. (I get really worked up on some things and I just go on never-ending rants).

Anyway, what do you think?

May Allah bless, protect, forgive, and guide you and your families and grant you Jannat Al-Firdaus. 

[EiE]

it will continue to deteriorate. it will not get better until imam mahdi

[Guest Some brother]

Look at the moral degradation led by the west. The rise of feminism, transgender and LGBTQ+ promotion. The destruction of masculinity and men. The eroding of the family.

Unfortunately on the flip side, many Muslim countries are insanely corrupt on the societal level and it is impossible to live a truly halal life in countries like Pakistan (for example) where corruption is pack and parcel of life and everyone is out to scam you or take what you have.

Pick your poison, you'll have to drink it sooner or later.

[notme]

I really think the world overall has gotten a little better.  We just know more,  notice more. 

It was very normal in the 1980s for people to be cruel, racist, patriotic, and greedy.  At least now these flaws are not praised, as they were then.  

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 3/29/2022 at 7:46 AM, notme said:

I really think the world overall has gotten a little better.  We just know more,  notice more. 

It was very normal in the 1980s for people to be cruel, racist, patriotic, and greedy.  At least now these flaws are not praised, as they were then.  

Because these traits, which are frowned upon now, have their nemesis in the plague of international wokery- sexual deviance (I refuse to call it LGBTQ+, or whatever they call it), normalization of zina (sexual freedom), SJW-esque political correctness policing, moral relativism, cultural decadence (art and culture today are significantly poorer compared to even  modernist aesthetics) and other such filth, which are maggots that have crawled out of the carcass of modernity and its notion of 'progress'. Neither of the aforementioned two trends- old school colonial modernity and post modernist wokery- is good news for us. 

Materially, we may be better placed than we once were (and that too is a highly subjective and relative development- for every increase in the standard of living, there are billions of starving kids; for every advance in medical science, there are millions who are denied basic healthcare; no significant reduction in income inequality and so on), but morally, I don't think there has been any betterment. 

The values that are ascendant today, the utopia preached by them is our dystopia. 

[علوي]

On 3/28/2022 at 9:16 PM, notme said:

I really think the world overall has gotten a little better.  We just know more,  notice more. 

It was very normal in the 1980s for people to be cruel, racist, patriotic, and greedy.  At least now these flaws are not praised, as they were then.  

I'd have to disagree with you there, because although it was normal to be (for example) racist in the 1980s, now it isn't even accepted to say that there is difference between black and white people. We've gone from a culture of racism to a culture of wokery. And people still are greedy, look at all the rich people in the world who couldn't care less about the poor who are starving to death in Africa, Yemen, Afghanistan. Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said,

"Allah the Glorified has fixed the livelihood of the destitute in the wealth of the rich. Consequently whenever a destitute remains hungry it is because some rich person has denied [him his share]. Allah the Sublime will question them about it."

(Source: Nahj al-Balagha: Aphorism 328, Raw'a al-Wa'izin: 497, ‘Uyun al-Hikam wa al-Mawa'iz: 152/3343)

On 3/30/2022 at 10:02 AM, AbdusSibtayn said:

The values that are ascendant today, the utopia preached by them is our dystopia. 

100% agree. I still remember watching a lecture by Sayed Ammar Nakshawani when he said that Shia believe the al-Dajjal is a system, not a person. I really felt that, it made so much sense to me. Further than that, and I'll have to say this discreetly, the Sayed mentioned that we have ahadeeth that al-Dajjal will have one eye, then he mentioned the dollar bill with one eye.....that shocked me a lot.

Here's the lecture if anyone's interested, I believe I've linked it to the right moment, but he says it at 42:50 (42 minutes and 50 seconds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YEMDRGVkuY&t=2575s

May Allah bless you all and your families and grant you all Jannat Al-Firdaus. 

[notme]

On 3/30/2022 at 3:28 PM, -Rejector- said:

look at all the rich people in the world who couldn't care less about the poor who are starving to death in Africa, Yemen, Afghanistan.

The greedy wealthy are an ever decreasing minority.  

On 3/30/2022 at 3:28 PM, -Rejector- said:

We've gone from a culture of racism to a culture of wokery.

I don't know what this word "woke" means. I only ever hear it from elderly conservative men and so far none have been willing to define it.

[علوي]

9 hours ago, notme said:

The greedy wealthy are an ever decreasing minority.

I'd have to check the facts about that, I'm not sure. Look at this article: https://www.investopedia.com/news/number-millionaires-continues-increase/#:~:text=The number of millionaires increased,category%2C grew by 24%.

Below is an extract from the article. It says that, according to a report from the Credit Suisse Research Institute, the number of millionaires increased by 6 million in one year. 

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Worldwide, the number of millionaires has increased to 56.1 million, marking a significant rise from the year before when there were only 50.8 million millionaires.1

1. Credit Suisse. "Global Wealth Report 2021." Page 130. Accessed Jan. 21, 2022.

 

9 hours ago, notme said:

I don't know what this word "woke" means.

Woke pretty much refers to the ideology that no one can say anything at all that may offend anyone in the world in the slightest way. Usually it's used in context of racial discrimination, or the 'LGBTQRST+++++++++++++++++++++' community. For example, nowadays, if I were to even hint that I don't support the LGBT community, I would be considered backward, homophobic, transphobic, right-wing, twisted, hateful...etc. Let alone express my opinion, I can't even have my opinion. I'm not sure if it's the same case with you, but I'm telling you, it's driving me crazy. 

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Its origins are far from modern. It first emerged in the US in the 1940s from the word “awake” and was used to describe someone who is well-informed on issues of social injustice – particularly racism. In its original use, it meant being alert to the specific discrimination and systemic harm suffered by African Americans. Thus, being “woke” implies one has “awakened” from a slumber, rather like the protagonist, Neo, after being unplugged from the Matrix in the movie of the same name. More recently, it has been adopted as a ubiquitous watchword for a wide variety of social movements, including LGBTQ issues, feminism, immigration, climate change and marginalised communities.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/24/what-is-woke-culture-and-why-has-it-become-so-toxic

[Northwest]

14 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

I'd have to disagree with you there, because although it was normal to be (for example) racist in the 1980s, now it isn't even accepted to say that there is difference between black and white people.

@-Rejector-

I respectfully disagree with the implication that racism is now discouraged. On the elite political level racism is still very much in evidence. For example, former U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper claimed that the Russian people are biologically predisposed toward bad moral traits. Bear in mind that the U.S. recruited many “former” Nazis after World War II and that many Nazi veterans, including Ukrainian fascists, settled in Western countries such as Canada, as well as the fact that the West has been indirectly and directly supporting Ukrainian Nazis against Russia. I think that “woke” ideology is merely a mechanism by which the liberal Establishment whitewashes its own racist paternalism, when in practice business continues “as usual” and “woke” PC ideology in fact exacerbates the old “divide-and-rule“ strategy.

Western society is structurally racist. The Democrats are racist toward Russians, the Republicans toward Chinese (look at how the political “right” has tried to blame China for COVID-19 instead of focussing on shady Western elites such as Bill Gates). Both parties are racist toward Middle Easterners and favour Ashkenazi vs. Oriental Jews, in part because Ashkenazi Jews tend to be more secular and pro-Zionist than Oriental (especially Sephardic) Jews. Also, a closer look at “woke” reveals that it is fundamentally racist. According to “woke” ideology blacks should be held to lower standards than whites because the former are genetically incapable of becoming educated, moral agents. The bipartisan white establishment wants blacks to destroy themselves through drugs, abortion, gangs, etc. and not challenge whites.

George Floyd is idolised not because he was black, but because he was a hoodlum. Whites want blacks to regard pimps, thugs, and drug addicts as their role models, because in doing so blacks will confirm whites’ worst stereotypes and also destroy their own communities instead of advancing. When blacks rioted and destroyed their own small businesses during “anti-racist” protests, they furthered gentrification and the buying up/displacement of black start-ups by white corporate conglomerates, just as the COVID-19 pandemic destroyed small business in favour of big business such as Big Tech and Big Pharma. Also, many wealthy Ashkenazi Jews regard themselves as part of the white Establishment and are also invested in using racialism as a means to keep minorities poor and engaged in self-destructive behaviour/dependency.

The fact that the current Western elite now claims to be “woke” and “anti-racist” doesn’t mean that it is truly opposed to racism. The opposite may well be the case. The Western elite thrives on fostering longstanding racial and other divisions because doing so perpetuates the status quo. Racism continues because it serves as a form of class rule. The Western ruling class uses racism as a means to remain in power and augment its wealth. Also, abortion and sexual degeneracy, like warfare, serve the “Great Reset” by promoting depopulation, a long-stated aim of the Western ruling elite, which feels that it can more easily control a planet inhabited by fewer people. Many special interests also amass lots of money while promoting these things. There isn’t an “anti-racist” conspiracy by the elite. If anything, the opposite is likely the case.

[Northwest]

19 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Because these traits, which are frowned upon now, have their nemesis in the plague of international wokery

@AbdusSibtayn

Are they?

Edited March 31, 2022 by Northwest

[علوي]

On 3/31/2022 at 9:52 PM, Northwest said:

I respectfully disagree with the implication that racism is now discouraged.

I understand exactly what you're saying, and I agree with it. But I still believe that many people do have the 'woke' ideology. For me personally, when I hear 'woke', I don't think about racism, I think about the LGBTQRST+++++++++++++++++++ community. At my school, for example, wallah, there is not one teacher's office which doesn't have a pride flag on the door. And not only on the doors, but the flag is on notice boards, on teachers' laptops, in assemblies...it's inescapable. Instead of being 'homophobic/transphobic' or whatever, they've put the LGBTQRST+++++++++++++ community on a level above straight people! Like I said before, I'm not even allowed to have my own opinion, and what happened to free speech? 

Anyway, back to racism, we do see it happening against many minorities, us Muslims being one of them. We all know what I'm saying, but they've made us look like terrorists just because there are a few extremists who follow the three. (Those who know, know). But us as Shia, we don't believe in terrorism. Why shape a whole group based on the actions of few? Even in my life, I remember someone once came up to me and mentioned ISIS, and asked if I had any connections, or something like that. (Like come on, man). I didn't get offended or anything, but it was disappointing that the first thing this person thought when he saw a Muslim is terrorism.

Muslims aside, there are so many other false stereotypes which are created by the Western Zionist regimes. Against Mexicans, Russians, Iranians, Africans, Native Americans...etc. 

I'm just desperately hoping for the return of our Imam (عليه السلام). 

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 3/31/2022 at 4:27 PM, Northwest said:

@AbdusSibtayn

Are they?

Well, atleast they maintain the pretence. 

[Ali_Hussain]

Values are deteriorating because the 'left' is and has been waging a relentless culture war for the last ten or twenty years - longer even, but they have upped the pace more recently. They control the media and academia and have been able to pass laws to make it so that even those who aren't totally brainwashed are unable to speak out because their lives could be destroyed as a result of it. On the flip side, the 'conservatives' are for sale to the highest bidder, so for the right price they won't stand in the way of the of these satanic plots.

The loss of religion in the west has also accelerated things, people don't have moral positions which they can cling to in order to fight what is going on. 

Even people who practice a religion can't put up much resistance. We need look no further than our own community to see how many people support transgenderism and sodomy. Last year when a new abortion law was passed there were Muslims all over social media criticising the law and joinging the liberals in insulting people who don't think getting an abortion should be as easy as getting a hair cut. I'm sure we all remember the BLM riots, we also had Muslims cheerleading the destruction of people's personal property and joining the liberals in vilifying anyone who tried to put up a defence...the list goes on and on.

[AbdusSibtayn]

35 minutes ago, Ali_Hussain said:

Values are deteriorating because the 'left' is and has been waging a relentless culture war for the last ten or twenty years - longer even, but they have upped the pace more recently. They control the media and academia and have been able to pass laws to make it so that even those who aren't totally brainwashed are unable to speak out because their lives could be destroyed as a result of it. On the flip side, the 'conservatives' are for sale to the highest bidder, so for the right price they won't stand in the way of the of these satanic plots.

The loss of religion in the west has also accelerated things, people don't have moral positions which they can cling to in order to fight what is going on. 

Even people who practice a religion can't put up much resistance. We need look no further than our own community to see how many people support transgenderism and sodomy. Last year when a new abortion law was passed there were Muslims all over social media criticising the law and joinging the liberals in insulting people who don't think getting an abortion should be as easy as getting a hair cut. I'm sure we all remember the BLM riots, we also had Muslims cheerleading the destruction of people's personal property and joining the liberals in vilifying anyone who tried to put up a defence...the list goes on and on.

 

 

 

Completely agree. Both are two wings of same Satanic political, economic and cultural imperialism. One deploys the rhetoric of 'civilization' and 'Judeo-Christian values' while the other uses 'progressive values' and 'human rights' in their project for cultural erasure of Muslims. The right supports outright dehumanization and erasure of Islam from the West and the world at large and extend their 'civilization' to the desert-barbarians, the Left supports basically the same thing in the name of 'integration' and wants to export 'freedom' and 'human rights' to the Muslim lands, by military force if necessary. Both the right and the left have substantially the same foreign policy and commitment to imperialism- no surprise that we find everyone from Trump and Bannon and Boris Johnson to Obama and Biden and Harris to AoC and Bernie Sanders, representing all shades of Western political opinion, speaking in one voice on Iran, and other small non-Muslim embattled nations (like Venezuela and Cuba) resisting satanic taghuti imperialism. 

And the likeness of those 'Muslims' who have left Islam for the religion of secular-liberalism is like that of the munafiqs who had infiltrated Islam, and used to constantly bug the Prophet (S) about how fun and easy their life was under the jahili setup, and how difficult has Islam made everything, losing no opportunity to humiliate Rasoolallah (S) and the firm believers, sowing doubts in people's minds, aping the infidels. They are the present-day Bani Israil running to worship the Golden Calf of postcolonial modernity, and their are Samiris (la) among them actively calling others to do the same. Hope they wake up in time and worry about what their aaqibah is going to be. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) guide them if they are capable of being guided, or give them the chastisement that is their due. 

 

The downfall of the West started the day when with the Reformation and the Counter Reformation, the secular rulers won the Church-State battle, the religious institutions were transformed into mere departments of the local governments, and religion was kicked out of people's lives, and the rest is history. 

[Ali_Hussain]

On 3/30/2022 at 11:29 PM, notme said:

 

I don't know what this word "woke" means. I only ever hear it from elderly conservative men and so far none have been willing to define it.

 

Woke: aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)

Originally, 'woke' wasn't pejorative and people with sjw inclinations would use it to describe themselves. However due to the ridiculousness of their behaviour and beliefs, regular people started to use it as a slur, even though they understood the word in the same way that the sjw's did. I'm guessing that most of sjw's don't use it as much anymore  because they are seen as a joke, not because the definition has changed.

 

Edited April 3, 2022 by Ali_Hussain

[Dubilex]

Yes, the right-wing may be prejudiced and racist towards us muslims. But the western left-wing is far more dangerous. While the western right-wing simply don't want to have anything to do with us, the left-wing are corroding our values and corrupting muslims. Leading them astray.

Here where I live, we have muslim girls in hijab appearing in magazines and television, advocating for abortion, marching in Pride parades and saying that the nuclear family is obsolete. The muslims may think that the woke left is their ally because of their common opposition against Israel. But the price they will pay is far higher than they can imagine. Eventually, the woke freaks are going to corrupt their children.

Here, the social services, which consist 100% of woke leftists, have started taking away the children of muslim families. If any muslim still votes for the woke left, they have themselves to blame

Edited April 4, 2022 by Dubilex

[notme]

2 hours ago, Dubilex said:

corroding our values and corrupting muslims. Leading them astray.

You can only be led if you follow.  

 

2 hours ago, Dubilex said:

nuclear family is obsolete.

Nuclear family is a modern (post-industrial) invention. It's purpose is to degrade family structure and promote toxic individuality.  

Edited April 5, 2022 by notme

[Gaius I. Caesar]

1 hour ago, notme said:

Nuclear family is a modern (post-industrial) invention. It's purpose is to degrade family structure and promote toxic individuality

Not true in my personal experience,it's bigger families that were far more toxic and individualistic than anything I experienced growing up. It's the parents, not the living arrangements that defines family structure and what we will become when we are older. 

Edited April 5, 2022 by Gaius I. Caesar

[notme]

19 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Not true in my experience, my maternal side of the family was two parents and four girls and was far more toxic and individualistic than anything I experienced growing up, at least I had some discipline. It's the parents, not the living arrangements that defines family structure and what we will become when we are older. 

That's a nuclear family.  A family unit consisting only of parents and their underage children is the definition.  

Extended family or community >>> nuclear family. 

[علوي]

5 hours ago, notme said:

You can only be led if you follow.  

Not necessarily. I mean, for adults that's true, but the left-wing wokists have already started getting into the minds of the youth, myself included. At my school, (I think I've already mentioned this), there are pride flags everywhere and people from that community are mentioned wherever I go. I even remember, get this, they have a sign on a notice board that has the pride flag as the background, then the symbols of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and more on top of it! As if we can just live in one world without any problems or disagreements whatsoever!

[notme]

4 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

As if we can just live in one world without any problems or disagreements whatsoever!

We can.  When did the Prophet reveal that we are to persecute non-muslims and sinners? If they will let us live in peace,  we can let them live in peace.  

And parents are the primary and most important teachers of youth.  If the parents fail, the community will succeed. You can choose your community and your influences. 

Edited April 5, 2022 by notme

[notme]

Maybe the reason I don't see society's values as crumbling is that I choose to surround myself with good people.  

Maybe we all should.  

[Gaius I. Caesar]

8 hours ago, notme said:

Maybe the reason I don't see society's values as crumbling is that I choose to surround myself with good people.  

Maybe we all should.  

Agreed 110%, it makes us stronger and life more bearable.^

 

8 hours ago, notme said:

And parents are the primary and most important teachers of youth.  If the parents fail, the community will succeed. You can choose your community and your influences.

The boldened part is the only reason why I am where I am today, why I choose Islam over say, Christianity or Judaism, I choose to define who I am, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) gave me this choice, I see so many Muslim youth, especially on Twitter, acting as if their family is the be all, end all or inherently  more reliable or safer than their communities but that couldn't be further from the the truth. Sometimes our families are our own worst enemies or they fail us. @Ashvazdanghe @123SlaveOfAllah

[علوي]

9 hours ago, notme said:

We can.

You highlighted the part where I said "live in one world", but you ignored the part where I said "without any problems or disagreements". Of course we can live in one world. But we are always going to have differences.

9 hours ago, notme said:

And parents are the primary and most important teachers of youth.

No doubt, they are the primary teachers of youth, but there are still other influences. If non-Islamic values are being hardwired into the minds of the youth at school, the parents might be too late to help.

[notme]

20 minutes ago, -Rejector- said:

But we are always going to have differences

What a horrible world it would be without differences! We can disagree and still get along, still treat each other as human beings with souls. 

 

20 minutes ago, -Rejector- said:

but there are still other influences. If non-Islamic values are being hardwired into the minds of the youth at school, the parents might be too late to help.

That's what I said: you can choose your community. 

[علوي]

9 minutes ago, notme said:

What a horrible world it would be without differences! We can disagree and still get along, still treat each other as human beings with souls. 

Well I'm not saying it's impossible to live in a pluralistic world, I'm just saying that we can't live in a world without differences. 

10 minutes ago, notme said:

That's what I said: you can choose your community.

True.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

6 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

I'm just saying that we can't live in a world without differences. 

I don't think your school is telling you that differences don't exist, but rather to accept and see people beyond their differences.

[Ashvazdanghe]

8 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Agreed 110%, it makes us stronger and life more bearable.^

 

The boldened part is the only reason why I am where I am today, why I choose Islam over say, Christianity or Judaism, I choose to define who I am, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) gave me this choice, I see so many Muslim youth, especially on Twitter, acting as if their family is the be all, end all or inherently  more reliable or safer than their communities but that couldn't be further from the the truth. Sometimes our families are our own worst enemies or they fail us. @Ashvazdanghe @123SlaveOfAllah

Salam I totally agree with you which most of time Muslim youths who have been born  as muslim have mixed costumes & traditions of their community & family so they blame everyone except themselves for their failure  also sometimes youths have tried to be religious but on the other hand their family tried to stop them because  their parents only think about wordly wellbeing of their children not their religion .

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prophet  Muhammad (pbu):"Soon a group will come after you, one of whom will have the reward of fifty of you (companions)." The companions said: "O Messenger of God! "We participated with you in Badr, Uhud and Hanin, and the Qur'an was revealed among us." The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "If it had befallen you, what they had endured then you would not have been as patient as their patience."

Alqeibah , Sheikh  Tusi 

Bihar al Anwar , v52 , p130 , hadith 26

الغيبة للشيخ الطوسي الْفَضْلُ عَنِ ابْنِ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ سِنَانٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ص‏ سَيَأْتِي قَوْمٌ مِنْ بَعْدِكُمْ الرَّجُلُ الْوَاحِدُ مِنْهُمْ لَهُ أَجْرُ خَمْسِينَ مِنْكُمْ قَالُوا يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ نَحْنُ كُنَّا مَعَكَ بِبَدْرٍ وَ أُحُدٍ وَ حُنَيْنٍ وَ نَزَلَ فِينَا الْقُرْآنُ فَقَالَ إِنَّكُمْ لَوْ تَحَمَّلُوا لِمَا حُمِّلُوا لَمْ تَصْبِرُوا صَبْرَهُمْ.

بحارالانوار، ج 52، ص 130، ح 26

 

http://askdin.com/thread/حدیث-برتری-جوانان-عفیف-آخرالزمان-از-سلمان-فارسی

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The Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) said: Woe to the children of the apocalypse at the hands of their parents, the companions said: Do you complain about the hands of their polytheistic parents? Hazrat said: From their Muslim parents who care about their body and world of children, but on the other hand do not care about their soul and religion.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1399/03/18/2280910/گلایه-پیامبر-از-برخی-پدر-و-مادرهای-مسلمان-در-آخرالزمان