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Countries could be destabilised

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Speaking in Ethiopia’s capital, Addis Ababa, on Thursday, David Beasley, director of the UN World Food Programme (WFP), said the world faced “frightening” shortages that could destabilise countries that depend on wheat exports from Ukraine and Russia.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/jun/17/united-nations-wfp-hell-on-earth-ukraine-war-russia

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Drying up of Lakes and Rivers

The Noble Prophet (S) said: “From the effect of the drying up of the Nile River, cities in Egypt will be destroyed.”7

Irtat said: “At that time, the Euphrates, rivers and fountains will dry up.”8

It has also been reported: “The water of Lake Tabaristan will dry up; the date-palms will not bear fruit; and the Za‘r Fountain in Sham will cease to flow.”9

Similarly, it has also been reported: “…Rivers will dry up, and inflation and famine will last for three years.”10

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The Commander of the Faithful (‘a) said to ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbas: “Trade and transactions will increase, but only small profits will be earned by the people and after that extreme famine will break out.”12

Imam as-Sadiq (‘a) said: “...At that time when the Sufyani emerges, food items will be scarce; people will experience famine; and rainfall will be scarce.”16

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Perhaps, the bad conditions of the markets at that time would be the result of destruction of the centers of production and industry, the decrease of manpower, the diminution of purchasing power, famines, insecurity on the highways, etc.

It has been stated in Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal: “Before the advent of al-Mahdi (‘عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) people will experience intense starvation for three years.”18

Abu Hurayrah said: “Woe to the Arabs for the evil approaching them! Intense starvation will break out and mothers will cry because of their children’s hunger.”19

The Bartering of Women in Exchange for Food Items

The depth of the tragedy of famine and starvation prior to the advent of Imam al-Mahdi (‘عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) will be such that some will be forced to barter their daughters for meager quantities of food.

Abu Muhammad reported from a man from Morocco: “Al-Mahdi will not appear unless a man (due to the intensity of poverty and indigence) would bring his daughter or beautiful bondwoman and say: ‘Who will buy this girl from me for food items?’ It is under these circumstances that al-Mahdi (‘عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) will appear.”20

https://www.al-islam.org/overview-mahdis-عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف-government-najmuddin-tabasi/economic-condition-world-during-advent-imam-al

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Muhammad ibn Ibrahim Nu'mani, a Shiite narrator, commentator and theologian of the fourth century AH, has also narrated another narration from Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (عليه السلام) in his book Al-Ghaybah, which he said in his interpretation of verse 155 of Surah Al-Baqarah. "It must be before the uprising of the year that people go hungry in that year and fear and hardship overwhelm them from two areas: from slaughter and from lack of wealth and souls and fruits; "And this is clearly stated in the Book of Allah." [9]

These apocalyptic famines, although expressed in many narrations in general for the people of the apocalypse, but in some hadiths, specific areas are also mentioned. For example, Imam Muhammad Baqir (عليه السلام) in his interpretation of "hunger or famine" in the same verse 155 of Surah Al-Baqarah, has said that "there will be a special hunger in Kufa, which Allah makes for the enemies of the family of Muhammad (عليه السلام); "But there will be public [hunger] in the Levant, and they will be so overwhelmed with fear and hunger that they will never be afflicted." [10]

[9] & [10] Kitab al-Ghayba (al-Tusi) p293-294

https://www.irna.ir/news/84534988/آخرالزمان-در-روایت-های-اسلامی-۲-روزگار-قحطی-و-گرسنگی

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Drying up of Lakes and Rivers

The Noble Prophet (S) said: “From the effect of the drying up of the Nile River, cities in Egypt will be destroyed.”7

Irtat said: “At that time, the Euphrates, rivers and fountains will dry up.”8

It has also been reported: “The water of Lake Tabaristan will dry up; the date-palms will not bear fruit; and the Za‘r Fountain in Sham will cease to flow.”9

Similarly, it has also been reported: “…Rivers will dry up, and inflation and famine will last for three years.”10

Imam as-Sadiq (‘a) said: “...At that time when the Sufyani emerges, food items will be scarce; people will experience famine; and rainfall will be scarce.”16

The Bartering of Women in Exchange for Food Items

The depth of the tragedy of famine and starvation prior to the advent of Imam al-Mahdi (‘عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) will be such that some will be forced to barter their daughters for meager quantities of food.

Abu Muhammad reported from a man from Morocco: “Al-Mahdi will not appear unless a man (due to the intensity of poverty and indigence) would bring his daughter or beautiful bondwoman and say: ‘Who will buy this girl from me for food items?’ It is under these circumstances that al-Mahdi (‘عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) will appear.”20

https://www.al-islam.org/overview-mahdis-عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف-government-najmuddin-tabasi/economic-condition-world-during-advent-imam-al

 

6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Muhammad ibn Ibrahim Nu'mani, a Shiite narrator, commentator and theologian of the fourth century AH, has also narrated another narration from Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (عليه السلام) in his book Al-Ghaybah, which he said in his interpretation of verse 155 of Surah Al-Baqarah. "It must be before the uprising of the year that people go hungry in that year and fear and hardship overwhelm them from two areas: from slaughter and from lack of wealth and souls and fruits; "And this is clearly stated in the Book of Allah." [9]

These apocalyptic famines, although expressed in many narrations in general for the people of the apocalypse, but in some hadiths, specific areas are also mentioned. For example, Imam Muhammad Baqir (عليه السلام) in his interpretation of "hunger or famine" in the same verse 155 of Surah Al-Baqarah, has said that "there will be a special hunger in Kufa, which Allah makes for the enemies of the family of Muhammad (عليه السلام); "But there will be public [hunger] in the Levant, and they will be so overwhelmed with fear and hunger that they will never be afflicted." [10]

[9] & [10] Kitab al-Ghayba (al-Tusi) p293-294

https://www.irna.ir/news/84534988/آخرالزمان-در-روایت-های-اسلامی-۲-روزگار-قحطی-و-گرسنگی

so like middle east will be destroyed? Chicken is becoming very expensive in the place where i live xD

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10 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

The depth of the tragedy of famine and starvation prior to the advent of Imam al-Mahdi (‘عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) will be such that some will be forced to barter their daughters for meager quantities of food.

Yes, it is situations like this which can lead to wide scale societal breakdown. I've previously mentioned the anthropological work, "The Mountain People", which charts how this happened to the Ik tribe in Africa.

This is from a review of the book:

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"They [the IK] have made a world that was alive, a world that is dead, cold, dispassionate, that is without ugliness because it is without beauty, without hate because it is without love, and is without any realization of truth even, because it simply is. . . . The Ik have successfully abondoned 'basic' qualities, such as family, cooperative sociality, be- lief, love, hope, and so forth, for the very good reason that in their context these militated against survival. "

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/070674377602100419

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12 hours ago, Diaz said:

 

so like middle east will be destroyed? Chicken is becoming very expensive in the place where i live xD

Salam it won't destroy but in west Asia will be great disaster due to icreasing of price of everything especially food 

8 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Yes, it is situations like this which can lead to wide scale societal breakdown. I've previously mentioned the anthropological work, "The Mountain People", which charts how this happened to the Ik tribe in Africa.

This is from a review of the book:

It has happened in Lebanon too which before migration of Imam Musa Sadr to Lebanon & establishing Amal movement Shia community has been too poor that they have been exchanging their daughters with  a sack of fflour which due to internal wars & too much poverty many Shias from Lebanon have migrated to Latin America likewise Argentina which majority of them have lost their identity even lost their faith so then turned to Christians which due to efforts of Imam Musa Sadr then affection on Islamic revoulution of Iran on Shias of Lebanon ,Shias in Lebanon restored their identity & turned from third class citizens in Lebanon into current nation in Lebanon which some shia scholars like wise dr. Soheil asaad is one of examples who regained their identity & faith after migration of Imam Musa Sadr & Islamic revoulution of Iran  which him & entire family have turned to Christians after migration to Argentina which he has raised as a christian Argentinian which after traveling to Lebanon for marriage so then facing with affectioon of  Imam Musa Sadr & Islamic revoulution of Iran   so therefore he & his family have reverted to Shia Islam which now he is a prominant person in Latin America for spreeding of Shia Islam  in that region 

http://soheilasaad.com

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Soheil Asad: After Islamic Revolution, Ahl al-Bayt ((عليه السلام)) became axis

He pointed out: “Before the Islamic Revolution, in the atmosphere of the Ahlul-Bayt ((عليه السلام)) school, in the international dimension, propaganda was very limited and people’s information about religious issues, religiousness and insight was very brief and the number of religious people was very small; Countries such as Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela and Colombia, which are part of Latin America, did not have a good cultural and religious status and had reached a level where they had left Islam and no practical effect of Islam was seen in their lives and behavior.”

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The international activist from Argentina also pointed to the impact of the victory of the Islamic Revolution and the movement of Imam Khomeini ((رضي الله عنه)) in spreading the Ahlul-Bayt ((عليه السلام)) tradition and said: “After the Islamic Revolution, the Ahlul-Bayt ((عليه السلام)) became the focus, before this historic event, Imam Hussain ((عليه السلام)), the event of Ashura and Arbaeen had been neglected even by Muslims, but now we see that this issue is receiving a lot of attention.”

He pointed out: “Another effect of the Islamic Revolution is the strength, power and political authority of Shiism, which can be compared to the political and social situation of Lebanese Shia Muslims in the last 50 years with the current era, which is not comparable at all; Fortunately, today the movement of Imam Khomeini ((رضي الله عنه)) and the effects of this movement make all Muslims proud.”

http://soheilasaad.com/category/زبان-های-دیگر/اسپانیولی/ (Spanish) Dr. Edgardo Robin (Soheil Asaad) is from Argentina

Imam Khomeyni was the reviver of pure Muhammadan Islam

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The convert to Islam added, “The phenomenon of the Islamic Revolution is not a normal ‎phenomenon. Today, more than 50,000 from all over the world are studying in Qom and ‎familiar with the effects of the Revolution. Today, those who previously had no knowledge ‎of Islam are interested in Islam and even some become Shi’ah clerics and promote religion ‎in foreign countries.”‎

Hujjat al-Islam Asaad referred to the situation of the Islamic world before and after the ‎Islamic Revolution and said, “At that time, the situation of Islam and Muslims in foreign ‎countries was very unsuitable and there was no access to proper information on Islamic ‎knowledge. Also, Muslims didn’t have any rights or status in foreign countries.”‎

https://en.rasanews.ir/en/news/443347/imam-khomeyni-was-the-reviver-of-pure-muhammadan-islam-‎

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3992662

https://www.med-or.org/en/news/le-vite-nella-storia-del-mediterraneo-musa-sadr

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I'm surprised this topic isn't getting more attention. Only seems to be getting worse. If Russia can claim food resources of Ukraine, it could leverage more influence over African nations. 

When inflation goes up in the US, people have the painstaking decision of having to choose between Netflix or Hulu, and which one to cut in hard times. In poorer nations, people starve to death or run out of water. 

Based on how quiet this thread has been, I'd guess we are all westerners here.

But that's the problem really. Nations of wealth tend to be oblivious to real global issues, until it is in our backyard. But by the time it reaches our backyard, will it be too late? How many people will suffer before we respond?

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On 5/30/2022 at 12:50 AM, iCenozoic said:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-putin-grain-shipments-macron-scholz-black-sea-ports-rcna30964

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-hes-willing-discuss-resuming-ukrainian-grain-shipments-2022-05-28/

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday told the leaders of France and Germany Moscow is ready to look for ways to ship grain stuck in Ukrainian ports but demanded the West lift sanctions.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/28/putin-macron-scholz-discuss-ukraine-arms-grain-supplies-a77829

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/putin-willing-to-discuss-resuming-ukrainian-grain-shipments-from-black-sea-ports-kremlin-101653745382755-amp.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/05/24/naval-blockade-food-supply-ukraine-russia/

https://indianexpress.com/article/world/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-putin-zelenskyy-7936669/

https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3671216/macron-scholz-urge-putin-accept-direct-exchange-zelenskiy

https://www.world-grain.com/articles/16958-report-turkey-seeks-deal-to-allow-ukrainian-grain-exports

https://seanews.ru/en/2022/03/15/en-russia-suspends-grain-and-sugar-export/

https://www.rferl.org/a/war-ukraine-global-food-shortage/31872861.html#:~:text=In March%2C Russia temporarily banned,to its Central Asian neighbors.

Many sources suggest that Russia has banned wheat exports. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/25/time-running-out-for-ukraine-grain-exports-from-besieged-seaports

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/14/ukraine-ports-grain-global-hunger/

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-war-russia-blocks-ships-carrying-grain-exports/a-61165985

https://www.reuters.com/business/russia-may-suspend-grain-exports-until-june-30-interfax-2022-03-14/

https://www.world-grain.com/articles/16623-russia-temporarily-bans-grain-exports

https://www.fao.org/giews/food-prices/food-policies/detail/en/c/1477294/

https://www.feedandgrain.com/news/russia-blocks-ships-carrying-grain-exports

https://fortune.com/2022/05/10/ukraine-wheat-exports-russian-black-sea-port-blockade/

https://www.euronews.com/2022/05/27/ukraine-crisis-russia-grain -Turkey making efforts to open an export corridor. 

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/26/russia-ready-to-help-overcome-food-crisis-if-west-lifts-sanctions-putin-a77818

"Vladimir Putin emphasizes that the Russian Federation is ready to make a significant contribution to overcoming the food crisis through the export of grain and fertilizer, subject to the lifting of politically motivated restrictions by the West," the Kremlin said in a statement following the call. 

International organizations wouldn't be attempting to negotiate with Russia to allow exports if they weren't impeding them. 

Seems silly to me to think that Russia wouldn't be responsible despite their ships having control of the black sea. 

Much like Russia's ban on natural gas heating and oil to opposing countries, it's simply using food as an additional weapon to manipulate Ukraine.

 

And quite frankly, none of this would be happening if not for the invasion of Ukraine to begin with.

Sometimes the greatest solution to world hunger starts by not using military might to invade your neighbors with brute force and explosives to annex their territory and take hold of their resources. Which is, to be fair, an issue the US needs to learn as well with respect to nations such as Syria and Iraq.

While you have done quite an admirable job of quoting both western, Russian and even east Asian sources...you still continue to parrot the western narrative and talking points. Take a look at Zerohedge.com for more nuanced and balanced view.

John Mearshiemer,  a world authority in international relations stated that, "The West is leading Ukraine down the primrose path and the end result is that Ukraine is going to get wrecked." Pretty prophetic words from 2015.

The conflict could have ended easily with proper negotiations and talks. Instead the Ukrainians, bolstered by their British and American Masters ( who wanted to sell armaments...last count 500 Billion dollars , and wanted to get Russia involved in an Afghanistan type quagmire and war of attrition)  became more belligerent with a vastly superior Army and Navy, who does that. Stupid Zelenksy his Azov Nazi Brethren took the bait.

Thru the Butterfly Effect and Law of Unintended Consequences,  the world population will suffer...and guess what...thats likely the WEF/UN Plan.

Remember the Arab spring and the chaos in different Arab region Capitals....multiply that by factor of 10 by end of August. See Sri Lanka as the first domino....and there will be many more.

I had a UK friend who worked in a Middle East Think tank, on Food Security,  and was paid to help formulate and Action plan. He completed his project and you can be sure certain Persian Gulf Monarchs are preparing for what they knew was coming.

Unfortunately, the corrupt so called other Muslim regimes have no idea what to do when this colossal freight train hits them and you will see presidential evacuations copy and paste like Sri Lanka.

I predict Egypt, Somalia, Sudan, Algeria, Morroco (and many other African states)  Yemen and Pakistan will be at the bottom of this train wreck. Sadly if the west had forced Ukraine to the negotiating table and not to their armaments markets, we would have seen huge differences in the coming results.

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6 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

 

The conflict could have ended easily with proper negotiations and talks. Instead the Ukrainians, bolstered by their British and American Masters ( who wanted to sell armaments...last count 500 Billion dollars , and wanted to get Russia involved in an Afghanistan type quagmire and war of attrition)  became more belligerent with a vastly superior Army and Navy, who does that. Stupid Zelenksy his Azov Nazi Brethren took the bait.

 

Last I checked, the Russian military had the option to leave Ukraine. Seems kind of silly to suggest that the length of this war is somehow being dictated by Ukraine or anyone but Russia.

Its like blaming the Taliban for the USs extended stay in Afghanistan. The US had the opportunity to simply leave the whole time. So we couldn't really blame the Taliban for dragging out the war, nor could we blame any nation that provided weapons or support to the Taliban. The same goes for Iraqis fighting US forces. The choice is ultimately in the hands of the invading nation as to when the war comes to an end. And that's what everyone in the west is waiting on. Nobody wants Russia in Ukraine. Nobody wants to play games with energy resources and natural gas supplies. But Russia has chosen this fight. 

Also, last I heard Russia was amassing more troops to bolster their invading force, meaning that they clearly aren't interested in letting this war end. So all this about blaming Ukraine or the west for prolonging the invasion is a bunch of nonsense. Russias army can pack their bags and leave whenever they choose.

Otherwise I agree that the situation looks bleak.

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34 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

Last I checked, the Russian military had the option to leave Ukraine. Seems kind of silly to suggest that the length of this war is somehow being dictated by Ukraine or anyone but Russia.

Its like blaming the Taliban for the USs extended stay in Afghanistan. The US had the opportunity to simply leave the whole time. So we couldn't really blame the Taliban for dragging out the war, nor could we blame any nation that provided weapons or support to the Taliban. The same goes for Iraqis fighting US forces. The choice is ultimately in the hands of the invading nation as to when the war comes to an end. And that's what everyone in the west is waiting on. Nobody wants Russia in Ukraine. Nobody wants to play games with energy resources and natural gas supplies. But Russia has chosen this fight. 

That's the official western narrative,  which I am surprised that you feel that the White House talking points and 10 Downing Street propaganda is always truthful, legitimate and Sincere.

Have you read the Russian counter points, Lavrov is a highly intelligent Diplomat in clear opposition to Antony Blinken or  Geographically challenged Liz Truss. Putin is top-of-the-range KGB AND GRU economics expert. Both their speeches prior to the special military invasion  were crystal clear. Get rid of the Nazis,  stop threatening nukes,  get rid of the bioweapons labs etc

 

Would the US tolerate a threatening Mexico,  blustering about restarting their nuclear program after having agreed to give it up or bioweapons labs funded and named after Senator Richard Lugar and US .Gov

There had been a long standing American run and funded program of collecting Russian and Chinese genetic materials....which I am sure was  Ancestry.com or other such legitimate purposes...could never ever  be nefarious in nature, not from such an upstanding and glorious nation like the good old US OF A.

Who would never ever in a million years make an indiscriminate and almost non traceable bioweapon to attack their political and economic enemies. 

In Fact Ron Unz has exposed this in his book ok Covid origins,  and traced back the oldest bioweapons laboratory in the world at Fort Detrick Maryland. He intially completely dismissed bioweapon theory,  until he noticed the Neocons celebrating the significant destruction to major Iranian MPs, Gov Officials and Ulema in Qom.   Now spread of Covid in Tehran or Isfahan , Shira or even Mashad would not have been suspicious,  but  at the heart of Iranian Clergy in the shadow of the Seminary at Qom and heart of our Wilayat e faqih, was too big a coincidence for him to ignore,  so he went down and followed the evidence,  and being a hyperdynamic IT genius like Elon Musk, he exposed all the major actors in the hypothetical plot,  still unproven,  but the circumstantial evidence is pretty clear 

Interestingly enough Fort Detrick was shut down for potential  accidental pathogen release a few weeks before Covid hit. And the people near the lab suddenly had a huge number of popcorn vape lung cases reported to the CDC. Popcorn lung surprisingly disappeared after Covid hit. What also an incredible coincidence,  that Popcorn lung and Covid Lung look identical on high resolution CT scans of the lung, have exact same symptoms and respond very well to intravenous Dexamethasone if given before the cytokine storm reaches its zenith.

I mean who would ever suspect the only country on Earth to unleash an completely undiscriminating atomic holocaust ( correct term looks up definition) , on innocent Japanese women,  children , pets and elderly persons. With now care for future genetic injuries and stillbirth and malformed babies.

That's who's talking points you choose to defend...really brother,  the US  was not named the Shaytan e Buzurg lightly by our former Rahbar.

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10 minutes ago, Hasani Samnani said:

That's the official western narrative,  which I am surprised that you feel that the White House talking points and 10 Downing Street propaganda is always truthful, legitimate and Sincere.

Have you read the Russian counter points, Lavrov is a highly intelligent Diplomat in clear opposition to Antony Blinken or  Geographically challenged Liz Truss. Putin is top-of-the-range KGB AND GRU economics expert. Both their speeches prior to the special military invasion  were crystal clear. Get rid of the Nazis,  stop threatening nukes,  get rid of the bioweapons labs etc

 

Would the US tolerate a threatening Mexico,  blustering about restarting their nuclear program after having agreed to give it up or bioweapons labs funded and named after Senator Richard Lugar and US .Gov

There had been a long standing program of collecting Russian and Chinese genetic materials....for I am sure Ancestry.com or other such legitimate purposes...could never be nefarious.

Who would never ever in a million years make an indiscriminate and almost non traceable bioweapon to attack their political and economic enemies. 

In Fact Ron Unz has exposed this in his book ok Covid origins,  and traced back the oldest bioweapons laboratory in the world at Fort Detrick Maryland. Interestingly enough it was shut down for potential  accidental pathogen release a few weeks before Covid hit. And the people near the lab suddenly had a huge number of popcorn vape lung cases reported to the CDC. Popcorn lung surprisingly disappeared after Covid hit. What also an incredible coincidence,  that Popcorn lung and Covid Lung look identical on high resolution CT scans.a

I mean who would ever suspect the only country on Earth to unleash an completely undiscriminating atomic holocaust ( correct term looks up definition) , on innocent Japanese women,  children , pets and elderly persons. With now care for future genetic injuries and stillbirth and malformed babies.

That's who's talking points you choose to defend...really brother,  the US  was not named the Shaytan e Buzurg lightly by our former Rahbar.

 

Stop threatening nukes? I wasn't aware that Ukraine had any. And Zelenski is Jewish, he's not a Nazi.

It seems as though some have forgotten that Russia is a master of propaganda. All this other stuff about collecting Chinese DNA and COVID being manufactured is all a bunch of fringe conspiracy nonsense. 

Bottom line, Russia can leave whenever they'd like to. Nobody is holding the invading force hostage.

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28 minutes ago, iCenozoic said:

 

Stop threatening nukes? I wasn't aware that Ukraine had any. And Zelenski is Jewish, he's not a Nazi.

It seems as though some have forgotten that Russia is a master of propaganda. All this other stuff about collecting Chinese DNA and COVID being manufactured is all a bunch of fringe conspiracy nonsense. 

Bottom line, Russia can leave whenever they'd like to. Nobody is holding the invading force hostage.

iCenozoic,  I actually quite respect  your other posts on a variety of topics and when you and I had an older user names, which I forgot , but I think I remember  a similar name for you from the olden days of 2003 to later when i had access to our med schools high speed internet .

I do agree that the Russians as the military Jalut could leave anytime. But if your house was surrounded by a pack of vicious ravenous pit bulls, would just stay inside and wait for your children to be attacked and their is no police to turn to. Also the Donbas and Luhansk  were  being bombed since 2014, those are primarily Russian settled areas of Ukraine.

It wa the Financial Times that suggested Ukraine being a mongrel  pseudo state , should be broken up into multiple independent enclaves in 2015. look that up as well so  now Russia will fulfill the previous Western wishes.

I suggest you look up Stepan Bandera.

and see

 

https://www.indianarrative.com/world-news/ukraine-s-president-zelensky-hints-at-developing-nuclear-weapons-after-nato-declares-is-will-not-confront-russia-154922.html

and 

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2022-06-01/ty-article-magazine/.premium/understanding-ukrainian-nationalism-and-claims-its-tainted-by-nazism/00000181-1a0c-d9b4-a199-be1e4a3c0000

As far as fringe conspiracy nonsense,  I would expect no less from follower of the Jewish Ib Saba.

Just joking bro:yahoo:

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14 minutes ago, Son of Placid said:

A food shortage is inevitable. I thought on NA food facilities were being hit by planes or set afire, but it seems to be a global thing. 
In Canada we just derail the grain trains, same result.

Cmon Son of Placid, no fringe conspiracy theories about purposeful grain shortage , reversible train strikes at the worst time,, or diesel shortages or destruction of foodstuffs plants or storage units.

We only accept MSM propaganda....otherwise we cancel you like Presstv, or RT or sputnik news, right before the invasion of the Ukraine.

Can't have any possible other narratives to threaten the Deep state, another fringe conspiracy...sorry my bad...I can't  stop going down those damn rabbit holes... it must be the rafidhi in me:braveheart:

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7 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

Stop threatening nukes? I wasn't aware that Ukraine had any. And Zelenski is Jewish, he's not a Nazi.

Hi this is just result of ignorance of westerners by MSM however founders of Nazism have been Zionists which they have choosen Hitler as a scarecrow which every time they find a new puppet which their current Nazi puppet in Zelenski , also nobody has threatened you by Nukes anyway there is uncertainty about Nukes in Ukraine  which in similar fashion nobody knows about number of Nukes in Zionist Israel which is a great threat to whole of world.

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8 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

Its like blaming the Taliban for the USs extended stay in Afghanistan. The US had the opportunity to simply leave the whole time. So we couldn't really blame the Taliban for dragging out the war, nor could we blame any nation that provided weapons or support to the Taliban. The same goes for Iraqis fighting US forces. The choice is ultimately in the hands of the invading nation as to when the war comes to an end.

Hi only concern of USs extended stay in afghanistan & Iraq & etc is just Iran & protecting Isreal because radicla groups likewise Taliban are just innovation of America for using these radicla groups for threatening Iran & Persian Gulf Monarchies  & justifying extending it's stay in rhese regions for virtually sieging of Iran which it pumps fear of Iran & radicla groups likewise Taliban in  hearts of persian Gulf monarchies  or occupies region by  force likewise Afghanistan & Iraq & Syria then loots their wealth especially  their oil & natural resources which as martyr general Suleimani has said " You (America) may start a war but it ends with us (Iran)" 

https://www.aparat.com/v/DJWNl/سردار_دل_ها%2F%2Fما_ملت_شهادتیم...جنگ_را_شما_شروع..ولی_پایانش_رو

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Referring to Haj Qasem's school, the President said, "Martyr Soleimani deeply believed that America can't do a damn thing against us."

https://irangov.ir/detail/377304

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On 6/27/2022 at 7:57 PM, Haji 2003 said:

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How Ukraine war affects food security in Iran

Ukraine war affecting food security in Iran: Agriculture Min.

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Former Russian president and senior security official Dmitry Medvedev threatened last month to restrict agricultural and food exports only to "friendly" countries of Russia. As retaliation for the sanctions imposed by the West, Russia "will not supply our products and agricultural products to our enemies," Medvedev warned.

 

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Before the war, Ukraine was responsible for contributing more than 10% to the global wheat market. If Russia then moves to block its own wheat exports or voids existing deals, up to 30 percent of the global wheat supply could be impacted.

Ukraine and Russia similarly account for just under 30 percent of the world’s barley supplies, which is largely used to feed cattle. Corn and sunflower seed – used for cooking oil – have also seen export vulnerabilities.

 

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Some countries importing wheat from Russia are now thinking of meeting their needs from other sources. For example, Egypt which is the world’s largest buyer of wheat is trying to import at least part of its needs from India.

 

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Already, reports of US military convoys smuggling Syrian wheat into Iraq have almost become the rule of the day.  

 

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 Agriculture minister Javad Sadatinejad was quoted as saying that a 50-kilo sack of subsidized flour, selling 380,000 rials in Iran, is traded for 5.0-6.0 million rials in some neighboring countries.

 

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“Therefore, with this large price difference, physical prevention of smuggling is not very possible,” he said.

Sadatinejad cited a severe shortage of wheat in one of the neighboring countries, which he did not identify, saying it intends to supply about 3 million tonnes of its wheat deficit by smuggling from Iran.

“Therefore we must be vigilant to protect our national interests," the minister said.  

 

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Iran is estimated to consume around 15.5 million tonnes of wheat a year, but supplies have varied over years due to erratic domestic production.

 

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Self-sufficiency in wheat has been a cornerstone of the country's food security policy in recent years. The Rouhani administration snapped the achievement when Iran imported more than 3 million tonnes of the strategic staple food at a cost of $3.8 billion in 2020.

 

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For the fiscal year of 2021, Iran ran on a shortage of 30 percent which meant the country had to import 5-6 million tonnes of wheat, according to officials.

 

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Key to Iran’s self-sufficiency in wheat was the guaranteed purchases of the crop from local farmers, but the former government’s reluctance to raise its prices in accordance with inflation rates dissuaded many wheat growers from selling their produce to the state.

Iran’s wheat production is forecast at 9 million tonnes this Iranian year ending March 2023 with the government looking at state purchases of 5.5 million tonnes, up from 4.5 million tonnes last year, Alireza Mohajer, an advisor to the agriculture minister, was quoted by official IRNA news agency as saying last month. 

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/05/04/681512/Iran-wheat-supply-Ukraine-war-Russia-

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Iran's Minister of Agriculture said: "Of course, considering that the plan of democratization and fair distribution of subsidies is an important issue for the parliament and the government to be implemented, the parliament and the government undoubtedly need redoubled efforts and cooperation."

Sadatinejad said the government's plan in this regard could be considered as a support basket as the best way to compensate for the excess cost of the family.

Of course, when the plan is implemented, subsidies will be paid for two months beforehand so that people do not have to worry, he added.

https://iranpress.com/content/58433/ukraine-war-affecting-food-security-iran-agriculture-min

 

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On 7/15/2022 at 5:20 PM, Hasani Samnani said:

Cmon Son of Placid, no fringe conspiracy theories about purposeful grain shortage , reversible train strikes at the worst time,, or diesel shortages or destruction of foodstuffs plants or storage units.

We only accept MSM propaganda....otherwise we cancel you like Presstv, or RT or sputnik news, right before the invasion of the Ukraine.

Can't have any possible other narratives to threaten the Deep state, another fringe conspiracy...sorry my bad...I can't  stop going down those damn rabbit holes... it must be the rafidhi in me:braveheart:

The problem with rabbit holes. 
A rabbit is cute and fluffy. Sits like a ball of softness you just want to cuddle.
Go into it's hole and you'll meet claws and teeth.
The other problem is you can't back out of a rabbit hole. You have to continue until you can turn around.
When you make that turn, you come back to new light.

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