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Chilean-American journalist Gonzalo Lira arrested in Ukraine

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The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) on Friday confirmed the arrest of Gonzalo Lira, a Chilean national living in Kharkov, suspecting him of pro-Russian sympathies.

https://www.rt.com/russia/575861-gonzalo-lira-ukraine-arrested/

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FS: That takes us to this pressing question: one thing you talk about a lot is that America is in a permanent state of war and you want to put an end to that. With regard to Ukraine, how do you propose to do that?

RFK Jr: Settle it. The Russians have repeatedly offered to settle. If you look at the Minsk accords, which the Russians offered to settle for, they look like a really good deal today. Let’s be honest: it’s a US war against Russia, to essentially sacrifice the flower of Ukrainian youth in an abattoir of death and destruction for the geopolitical ambition of the neocons, oft-stated, of regime change for Vladimir Putin and exhausting the Russian military so that they can’t fight anywhere else in the world. President Biden has said that was his intention — to get rid of Vladimir Putin. His Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin, in April 2022, said that our purpose here is to exhaust the Russian army. What does that mean, “exhaust”? It means throwing Ukrainians at them. My son fought over there, side-by-side with the Ukrainians and we’ve sacrificed 300,000 of them. The commander of the special forces unit in the Ukraine, which is probably the most elite fighting force in Europe, has said 80% of his troops are dead or are wounded and they cannot rebuild the unit. Right now, the Russians are killing Ukrainians at a ratio of either 1:5 or 1:8, depending on what data you believe.

 

https://unherd.com/2023/05/robert-kennedy-jr-america-needs-a-revolution/

 

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There's so much wrong with this

not least Maoris culture being weaponised by the very people who nearly wiped them out to have a pop at another group

 

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We always knew it was about this

Foreign investors get to own Ukraine.

The following is from a UK government-sponsored conference on Ukrainian recovery.

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This session will set the scene for the conference. It will set out the role of the private sector to mobilise investment at the scale needed to support Ukraine to “build back better”. It will focus on the role of governments and international financial institutions as the enablers of investment and promote the URC as a vehicle for Ukraine to secure support for its immediate recovery needs.

https://www.urc-international.com/ukraine-recovery-conference-urc-2023?s=03

 

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https://news.google.com/s/CBIw9cWazjs?sceid=CA:en&sceid=CA:en
 

Someone is going to find some reason to complain about whatever specific news source I share here, so I’ll let you take your pick. 

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The glorious special operation rolls on. 

You guys really know how to pick ‘em. 

 

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so 

What's come of the "glorious operation" less than one week later? Absolutely nothing. Life goes on in Russia as usual and Putin is still comfortably holding power. 

Calm down for the love of God.

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And btw, what happened to Ukraine's counteroffensive? Anyone seen the map lately? 

2nd June 2023:

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2nd July 2023:

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https://liveuamap.com/

Almost a month of fighting and that's it? They've captured a bit of the grey zone? Hmm. Maybe Russia's winning after all.

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On 7/2/2023 at 3:10 AM, علوي said:

Almost a month of fighting and that's it? They've captured a bit of the grey zone? Hmm. Maybe Russia's winning after all.

If there is no peace deal happening and you have over 31 countries ready to enter Ukraine-Russia War, then I don't see how Russia is winning at all. Either they come to senses and will make a nice peace deal or all of us are doomed.

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On 2/12/2022 at 7:21 AM, layman said:

If Russia feels that her security is compromised and there is no guarantee for the stopping of NATO expansion eastward, a limited war will occur.  Russia has to guarantee it by force if negotiations failed.  It all depends on Kiev to tell NATO to stop. If politicians in Ukraine sold their national interest to NATO, then a limited war will very likely to occur.

Russia needs the guarantee that NATO is not expanding eastward.  Ukraine is the buffer zone according to Russia.  Currently, it is a limited war inside Ukraine that Russia must win.  If NATO enter Ukraine to fight Russia, then it will be a nuclear war and there is no doubt about it.

The best option is PEACE deal and Ukraine is a neutral country. Let's hope that warring parties come to their senses. PEACE and RESPECT are the best solution.

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15 hours ago, layman said:

The best option is PEACE deal and Ukraine is a neutral country. Let's hope that warring parties come to their senses. PEACE and RESPECT are the best solution.

This is what Russia's been trying to achieve for the last eight years. This is what Minsk I and II were meant to achieve. 

Look here. In a meeting in France, 2019, Zelenskyy the clown was recorded laughing at Putin while he was bringing to attention Ukraine's various crimes regarding the ethnic Russian population of the Donbass. It goes to show who was actually taking Minsk seriously. 

Furthermore, remember when Angela Merkel and other EU officials openly admitted that they only signed Minsk to buy Ukraine time to rearm? It's an open admission of guilt; purely they are the obstacles to the peace we dream about, not the Russians. 

According to The Guardian, "Merkel said the agreement had...helped buy Kyiv time to arm itself better against the Russian military."

Remember when, in early 2022, Russia and Ukraine were close to reaching a peace agreement with Turkiye as the mediator? Predictably, the Russians were the ones who signed the deal and withdrew from the Kiev region while the Ukrainians, obviously on Western orders, continued towards the path of their doom.

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Big story in the FT today

Not saying it's all accurate etc.

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Iran’s drone programme has been growing steadily since the 1990s. Bendett, from the Center for Naval Analyses, said: “The Iranians already have a mature, proven technology. Iranian drones are in that sweet spot between those very expensive drones that can range very far and those smaller drones that don’t fly more than 100km. It’s a fairly sophisticated enterprise.”

https://www.ft.com/content/3135edf7-2b80-4df4-9923-b96382d2fee5

 

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On 2/7/2022 at 1:33 AM, Haji 2003 said:

Going to happen or not going to happen. A good thing or a bad thing.

What do people think?

Not going to happen.

People have failed to understand due to the sick media content around, that Putin is not intending any invasion.

He just wants 2 objectives complete:

1. Pro-Russian speakers and regions in Donetsk, Luhansk and Donbass secure which are subject to attacks by Nazis of Ukraine on daily basis.

2. Removal of NATO from Ukraine and anywhere near it's borders.

Why no invasion? 

Because strategically, the nation that will suffer the most due to invasion will be Russia. Hell will fall apart on them. Even if Russians stepback after invading, they will always remain a target of hostility.

 

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On 7/3/2023 at 11:30 AM, layman said:

Currently, it is a limited war inside Ukraine that Russia must win.  If NATO enter Ukraine to fight Russia, then it will be a nuclear war and there is no doubt about it.

NATO is already covertly in the war since day 1. No one doubts that. Ukraine cannot stand Russia for so long.

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On 6/23/2023 at 2:53 PM, Haji 2003 said:

We always knew it was about this

Foreign investors get to own Ukraine.

The following is from a UK government-sponsored conference on Ukrainian recovery.

https://www.urc-international.com/ukraine-recovery-conference-urc-2023?s=03

 

The entire is madly supporting and talking about Ukraine.

Anyone can understand the nature of this war and supporting Ukraine means siding with the devil.

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@kadhim @Zainuu

Don’t believe the rhetoric on either side. Putin really isn’t a strong leader, nor is he really anti-Western/-Zionist. In 2014 Putin could have ordered Yanukovych to fire on pro-Western EuroMaidan protestors, but instead he told Yanukovych to back down, so the latter was overthrown. Instead of occupying Kiev then, when Ukraine was still weak, Putin waited eight years, during which many lives were lost on both sides.

As in Syria, where Israel and Turkey control the operational space, he allows the West to do as it pleases, while serving as a kind of scarecrow. Russia and NATO take turns enforcing globalism, the former at a slower pace, but still ultimately carrying out the same basic agenda.

Russia under Putin still has major problems with low indigenous birthrates, crime, and population transfers. Very few people in Russia are religiously observant, yet some pro-Putin Westerners think Russia today is traditionalist. Putin has still followed the global consensus on COVID-19, vaccines, and digital ID, to not mention “sustainability.”

The recent Wagner Group revolt failed because Prigozhin, a true hardline Russian nationalist, trusted Putin, thinking that the latter was being deceived by his advisers and generals. Instead Prigozhin was placed under de facto house arrest in Belarus, while the Wagner Group and its assets were permanently neutralised.

Putin doesn’t really have an ideology, other than a belief in power and expediency. The post-Soviet Russian Constitution in fact explicitly prohibits Russia from having an ideology. I can’t recall the source, but I think somewhere Putin even claimed that one can be baptised repeatedly, a heretical claim for a supposed Orthodox Christian.

Putin is all about appearances and PR, not substance. I don’t even believe that he truly controls anything, but is a placeholder, like some corporate CEOs. I look at actions rather than appearances. A truly nationalist, traditionalist Russia would have looked very different from the past few decades of Putin’s rule.

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Ukraine, the historical core of Russian civilisation, is a de facto, undeclared member of NATO.

Armenia, one of Russia’s oldest friends and one of the very first Christian nations, has sided with NATO.

Finland, once a Russian grand duchy and just a short distance from Peter the Great’s St. Petersburg, has joined NATO.

China, Western propaganda notwithstanding, is not helping Russia withstand Ukraine, but instead is consorting with Zelensky on economic arrangements.

Israel, of course, has been helping Ukraine all along, Netanyahu’s deceptively friendly stance toward Putin notwithstanding.

The Turkic republics of Central Asia are leaning toward NATO, even to the point of adopting Latinate rather than Cyrillic characters.

Now even Putin’s supposed “allies” approve Sweden’s joining NATO. Orbán and Erdoğan have now openly shown that they side with the West.

Clearly the collective West does not treat Putin as a worthy foe, much less a genuine one. A strong leader and a strong nation would not be in such a quandary.

The big question: will the emerging global “super-NATO” will destroy Russia, or rather co-opt her? Would a passive Russia be joined to a Chinese-fronted Zionist-globalist alliance vs. Iran?

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2 hours ago, Northwest said:

I don't think anyone genuinely recognises Erdogan or Orban as allies of Putin. Even you yourself put 'allies' in quotation marks. Erdogan is just trying to play both sides to reap the most benefit, and Orban just knows what's going on; how the EU is sanctioning itself to death

No one knows what's going to happen in the war. Ukraine's counteroffensive is a massive blunder and will bring about nothing for the West. Russia still has its reservists behind the frontlines - this could either point to an upcoming Russian offensive (I doubt it) or just the continuation of Russia's slow war of attrition

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This has got to be a joke

Reznikov...

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Ukraine's Defense Minister Oleskii Reznikov admitted that Kyiv's counteroffensive is behind schedule, but insisted he is "not worried" because it is going according to plan...

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-07-24-23/h_c4b173dcccb9298c7146e4e92ab617f8

wait...what? Behind schedule but going according to plan..... feels like 1984.

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9 hours ago, علوي said:

This has got to be a joke

Reznikov...

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-07-24-23/h_c4b173dcccb9298c7146e4e92ab617f8

wait...what? Behind schedule but going according to plan..... feels like 1984.

I think that this is most likely disinformation on Ukraine’s part. Ukraine is still managing to successfully interdict Russian weapons and ammunition by striking facilities behind Russian lines. The fact that Ukraine can still successfully launch drones at Moscow and Crimea says much about Russian defences’ weaknesses. Ukraine has made several attacks on critical infrastructure recently and has been sabotaging pipelines etc. inside Russia itself for some time now.

Currently many Russian nationalists are unhappy with Putin’s handling of the war and think that he has been too conciliatory toward the West over the past decade or so. Many of these nationalists supported the Wagner Group’s uprising, or at least were sympathetic to the participants’ motives and/or grievances. An example: Igor Ivanovich Girkin, “Strelkov,” the pro-Russian Donbas’ commander who was recently arrested for criticising Putin personally.

These people are far from being pro-Western. Instead they complain about oligarchical corruption, Russia’s demographic crisis, and shortages of such basic frontline assets as munitions. Russian soldiers have even been forced to purchase their own uniforms and equipment, triggering anger among the otherwise pro-war Russian nationalists. I would recommend that you read Russian-language sources on social media and elsewhere to get a sense of the despair.

Also, if anything proves that this conflict is largely being staged on both ends, it is this:

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Western companies have actually recognized that the Russian economy has kept in touch with the world economy and remained to work in Russia despite sanctions. M1 TV channel reports that Hungarian Prime Minister Víktor Orbán speaking to students said it on July 22. Orbán pointed out that only 8.5% of the “largest” Western companies have left Russia. The rest continue to work and pay taxes to the budget. The payment for 2022, according to Orbán, amounted to $3.5 billion.

^ Once again, if Putin’s clique and the Western elites are at such odds, why, according to none other than Putin confidant Orbán, are most international, West-based corporations still doing business in Russia, albeit under new names and/or identities? Why has Russia been treating Ukraine much more softly than it would have logically been expected to do, under given circumstances? Why has Putin promoted COVID-19 vaccines and digital ID? Think, think.

The globalist agenda is alive and well. It is truly global and all-encompassing.

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On 7/11/2023 at 11:23 PM, علوي said:

I don't think anyone genuinely recognises Erdogan or Orban as allies of Putin. Even you yourself put 'allies' in quotation marks. Erdogan is just trying to play both sides to reap the most benefit, and Orban just knows what's going on; how the EU is sanctioning itself to death

No one knows what's going to happen in the war. Ukraine's counteroffensive is a massive blunder and will bring about nothing for the West. Russia still has its reservists behind the frontlines - this could either point to an upcoming Russian offensive (I doubt it) or just the continuation of Russia's slow war of attrition

Back in 1999 Orbán, then prime minister of Hungary, even went so far as to claim that Russia was a threat to NATO:

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November 4, 1999 08:00 AM Age: 24 years

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban was quoted as saying that NATO must retain its nuclear arsenal “because of uncertainties about the future of Russia.” Orban followed that comment with the remark that, although “the Hungarian people might not be happy about it… his government would consider allowing the United States to deploy nuclear weapons” in Hungary “during a crisis.” If that were not enough to raise temperatures in Moscow, Orban also spoke of “ominous political forces in Ukraine, Belarus and Russia which would like to recreate a broad alliance which could pose a threat” to Hungary. “We desperately need an independent Ukraine,” Orban said. “We do not want to be a border country to a Soviet Union, or a Russia” (Globe and Mail, October 29).

^ Note that he even talked about the importance of a pro-West, NATO-aligned Ukraine and wanted U.S. nukes.

Just five years later, strangely, President Putin actually welcomed NATO’s expansion into the Baltic region:

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MOSCOW, April 8— President Vladimir V. Putin said Thursday that he hoped the expansion of NATO might have a positive effect on international relations but that the expansion is not effective against terrorist threats. ''Life shows that simply expanding will not enable us to effectively counter the main threats that we are facing today,'' he told Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, the NATO secretary general, at a Kremlin meeting. ''This expansion did not help prevent the terrorist acts in Madrid, let's say, or help resolve the problems of Afghanistan,'' he added. … Russia said it might increase its military presence bordering three Baltic nations -- Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia -- if NATO stations permanent military bases on their soil. … Despite Moscow's opposition to the expansion of NATO, Mr. Putin said he hoped it would lead to ''the strengthening of trust in Europe and the entire world.'' He added that ''each country has the right to choose the form of security it considers most effective.''

^ If he really believed that NATO posed a threat to Russia, he wouldn’t have allowed it to enter the Baltic. Yet he allowed the Baltic states to “‘choose’” NATO, despite NATO’s permanent hostility to Russian sovereignty.

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19 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

'Niger Coup, Africa-Russia Relations, Wagner Group, Colonialism & More'...Richard Medhurst (52 minutes)…contrast the difference in the two approaches...Putin when African nations couldn't repay its debt...

@Eddie Mecca If Putin is a genuinely multipolar “outsider” who opposes Western-led globalism, then please try to explain why most major Western companies continue to do business with Russia, notwithstanding “sanctions.” These firms are literally siphoning billions of dollars to aid Russia and the West simultaneously. Newsflash: the “sanctions” aren’t real, Putin is still on board with COVID-19 and digital ID, and Russia is tacitly allowing Ukraine to interdict its own munitions. The “war” in Ukraine allows both Russia and the West to eliminate domestic opposition while converging on a globalist synthesis, Agenda 2030 and the “Great Reset.” To facilitate this, globalists own, finance, and control both sides. Today the global economy is more integrated than at any point in history, so talk of “sanctions” and “decoupling” only serves to conceal the truth, just like the claims that Putin is some kind of “traditionalist ‘Christian’” saviour.

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13 minutes ago, Northwest said:

If Putin is a genuinely multipolar “outsider” who opposes Western-led globalism, then please try to explain why most major Western companies continue to do business with Russia, notwithstanding “sanctions.” These firms are literally siphoning billions of dollars to aid Russia and the West simultaneously. Newsflash: the “sanctions” aren’t real, Putin is still on board with COVID-19 and digital ID, and Russia is tacitly allowing Ukraine to interdict its own munitions. The “war” in Ukraine allows both Russia and the West to eliminate domestic opposition while converging on a globalist synthesis, Agenda 2030 and the “Great Reset.” To facilitate this, globalists own, finance, and control both sides. Today the global economy is more integrated than at any point in history, so talk of “sanctions” and “decoupling” only serves to conceal the truth, just like the claims that Putin is some kind of “traditionalist ‘Christian’” saviour.

Please provide proof from a legitimate source that companies are continuing to do business with Russia...I find that interesting...I admire your brainpower, intellectual capacity etc. immensely...we agree on the facts...but we're drawing vastly different conclusions based on the same facts...I'm officially declaring Putin brown (racial classification)…he's a visionary and a champion of the downtrodden     

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6 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Please provide proof from a legitimate source that companies are continuing to do business with Russia...I find that interesting...

@Eddie Mecca What would qualify as a “legitimate source”? I already provided a few, but I’ll go further, while elaborating. Several of the companies themselves acknowledge that they are still conducting transactions in Russia. Of course, they also claim that the Russian government is preventing them from divesting, which seems unconvincing: after all, Russia needs these companies more than vice versa, yet the latter choose to do business with the former. In fact, companies that stayed in Russia since the imposition of sanctions have registered even higher profitability. Companies such as Airbus, Bacardi, BP, Shell, PepsiCo, L’Oréal, Cargill, Unilever, Subway, BMW, and so on are among the firms that remain in Russia. Fewer than 20% of American firms have departed, for instance, and even fewer European. Only some of the largest, most profitable companies have “officially” left. Also, other companies may actually continue to operate surreptitiously, under a new “label”: given the fact that many other firms are staying, this seems quite plausible and in keeping with corporate strategy. My point is that the so-called “exodus” is far from complete.

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Somebody famous (who Putin was mad at) was supposedly on the manifest of a small plane that crashed near Moscow? 

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