Ibn Taymiyya about God

[Abu Nur]

Salaam Aleikum, 

He said in his Bayan talbis al-Jahmiyyah:

"Whatever cannot be sensed with the five senses is nothing but nonexistent. The generality of the Salaf and those who affirm God's attributes maintain that God can be witnessed, seen and sensed. " 

I think this is horrifying if this kind of belief is spread among the majority of Sunnis. Do salafis generally belief in this? 

Edited February 5, 2022 by Abu Nur

[Berber-Shia]

11 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Whatever cannot be sensed with the five senses is nothing but nonexistent.

This is the same argument atheists use loool

[Patient Warrior]

3 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

I think this is horrifying if this kind of belief is spread among the majority of Sunnis. Do salafis generally belief in this? 

It's hilarious to see a man dismissed as a lunatic by his peers return to the mainstream hearts of the Sunni demographic. But yes to answer your question they interpret certain quranic verses to indicate God's physical characteristics. They also have hadith that describe God in a similar fashion to the Christians I.E. made in His image. Another hadith is that He will reveal himself on the Day of Judgement with Muhammad on one side and Muawaiya on the other.

Quite funny in my opinion.

[pseudonym]

1400 years and some Muslims schools of thought haven't even got this right !!! really sad... more reason to plead with people to come to Ahlul-Bayt and at least what they presented about Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), Islam etc.. 

[Eddie Mecca]

5 hours ago, Patient Warrior said:

It's hilarious to see a man dismissed as a lunatic by his peers return to the mainstream hearts of the Sunni demographic

Sunni brethren hundreds of years ago were smarter than they are today unfortunately...Ibn Taymiyyah was dismissed by his contemporaries and imprisoned for being a troublemaker...he was dead and buried (both physically and metaphorically) until petrol Islam dug him back up and revived his status as some sort of Sunni/Salafi hero.

[Borntowitnesstruth]

13 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

Salaam Aleikum, 

He said in his Bayan talbis al-Jahmiyyah:

"Whatever cannot be sensed with the five senses is nothing but nonexistent. The generality of the Salaf and those who affirm God's attributes maintain that God can be witnessed, seen and sensed. " 

I think this is horrifying if this kind of belief is spread among the majority of Sunnis. Do salafis generally belief in this? 

He seems to have ignored the verses which says that there is nothing like unto Him besides five senses cannot always sense the existence of something for example: - A chair can been seen by the eye but it cannot see the absent carpenter. On the other hand, it's the brain that implies towards carpenter. Not everything can be sensed through senses, we also require faculty of thought to trace existence of unseen entities.

[313_Waiter]

19 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

Whatever cannot be sensed with the five senses is nothing but nonexistent

This is nonsense similar to what atheists say. Everything needn’t be empirically verified because consciousness has never been empirically verified, does that mean it doesn’t exist?

[Cool]

He (ibn Taimiyyah) is the person who once tried to explain "yanzilou rabbuna ila assam’a ad-dunya", then he went down two steps on the minbar and he said "kanuzuli hatha”(like my descending)"

He also maintain that Allah’s ‘hand’, ‘foot’, ‘shin’ and ‘face’ are literal (haqiqi) attributes, and that He is upon the Throne in person. 

This is the level of his touheed!!! People like @Cherub786 looks like his true followers lol. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

 

[Abu Nur]

Salaam Aleikum,

The Quote I took is from this video:

The salafis disagree with it as taken out of context.

[Dave follower of The Way]

On 2/6/2022 at 3:29 PM, Cool said:

He also maintain that Allah’s ‘hand’, ‘foot’, ‘shin’ and ‘face’ are literal (haqiqi) attributes, and that He is upon the Throne in person. 

Okay let's agree that these things are images or metaphysical or symbols to help us understand the transendant God.

On 2/6/2022 at 8:51 AM, Borntowitnesstruth said:

He seems to have ignored the verses which says that there is nothing like unto Him besides five senses cannot always sense the existence of something

Using the chairmaker example, we can look at creation and deduce a creator who we can't sense.

I wonder is it possible to sense God?  Does our belief in God's existance and love for us only depend on abstract ideas and faith?  Or are there ways that we can say I experienced God with my senses?

[Borntowitnesstruth]

1 hour ago, Dave follower of The Way said:

deduce a creator who we can't sense.

I wonder is it possible to sense God?  Does our belief in God's existance and love for us only depend on abstract ideas and faith?  Or are there ways that we can say I experienced God with my senses?

These are not abstract ideas but evident truth that we are unable to sense God that's why He (عزّ وجلّ) created faculty of thought which cannot be seen but whatever we witness through it cannot be denied.

[Abu Nur]

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Or are there ways that we can say I experienced God with my senses?

Well we need first to define what exactly you mean by expirencing God. Do you mean expirencing as expirencing His work, signs etc. For example God spoke with Moses. Moses is hearing the voice and also compherending the information trought that voice. The voice itself is sound and as any sound, it is an creation. That is an medium. But Moses conciseness of listening and the heart compherending is excatly that part where we can really say as expirencing God. The heart have sensens too, hearing and seeing, and trough the heart senses we really can see and hear God.

Edited February 12, 2022 by Abu Nur