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Is Al-Yamani even going to rise from Yemen? A small analysis

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Argument #1

There is a difference between اليمني and اليماني.

- Al-Yamaani (اليماني): Someone who is on the Right path and who calls to the Right path

- Al Yamani (اليمني): Someone from Yemen

Most if not all the hadiths use the first word.


Most importantly this Hadith from Kitab Al Ghaybah where it clearly states that from all those that will rise up at that time (Sufyani, Khurasani,...), the flag of Yamaani is the rightful one and "It is not permissible for any Muslim to turn away from him and whoever does so, will be in Hell, because al-Yamani will invite to the truth and to the straight path."








Argument #2

In many hadiths it is written that the Sufyani and the Yamani (and Khurasani) will race like horses towards Kufa to fight each other. If the Yamaani is from Yemen that implies that he would have to go through Hijaz or Najd region and would have to conquer it. But then why would the Sufyani send troops to take Medina when they will be swallowed by the earth?





All I've found that would support the rising of the Yamani to be from Yemen is the following:

- Wikishia article without sources

- This Kitab al Ghayba hadith where it mentions that the Sufyani will not rise except after the rising from "the one from San'aa" but does not the mention Yamani by name.

- Lots of Sunni sources

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On 1/27/2022 at 6:34 PM, Berber-Shia said:

In many hadiths it is written that the Sufyani and the Yamani (and Khurasani) will race like horses towards Kufa to fight each other. If the Yamaani is from Yemen that implies that he would have to go through Hijaz or Najd region and would have to conquer it. But then why would the Sufyani send troops to take Medina when they will be swallowed by the earth?

Salam Sufyani will send his army due to request of last king of Hijaz because  he wants to be accepted  by all muslims as their savior & new Caliph which also reappeance  of Imam Mahdi (aj) will cause conflicts in Hijaz between his followers  & his enemies  which king of Hijaz can't  handel it by himself & his army so therefore he will ask help from the Sufyani  who inroduces himself as supportive  of Muslims against Shias which in similar fashion KSA monarchy  & wahabi muftis have asked from France to send commandos  into Mecca for  getting rid of  fake Mahdi  the Juhayman al-Otaybi who conquered  Kaaba  with his followers  then called himself  The Mahdi which KSA has accused Iran to supporting  him  also only half of the Sufyani army will swallow  between  Medina & Mecca which for fighting with other half of his army also cleaning  Hijaz from enemies of Imam Mahdi (aj) inshaAllah  which for doing it Yamani (and Khurasani)  must have received  permission  from Imam Mahdi (aj) before moving his(their) army .


40 years on
On the anniversary of the 1979 attack on Makkah's Grand Mosque, Arab News tells the full story of an unthinkable event that shocked the Islamic world and cast a shadow over Saudi society for decades

An Arab News Deep Dive

As a firebrand at the head of a small group of religious students based in a small village outside Madinah, Juhayman had been on the radar of the authorities for some time. According to Prince Turki Al-Faisal, who in 1979 was the head of Saudi Arabia’s General Intelligence Directorate, the group consisted of students from various religious seminaries who had put their faith in the eschatological figure of the Mahdi, the supposed redeemer of Islam. 

“Their aim, according to their beliefs, was to liberate the Grand Mosque from the apostate rulers of the Kingdom and to liberate all Muslims by the coming of the so-called Mahdi,” Prince Turki said in an interview with Arab News.



Siege of Mecca and Juhayman al-Otaibi: CIA and GIGN operatives converted to Islam


This single event in late 1979 still shakes the Sunni Islamic world today and the same applies to covert work done by CIA operatives. After all, the government of America violated the Constitution because CIA operatives were allowed to be converted to Islam in order to enter Mecca and to participate in quelling the uprising. The French government, the so-called bastion of secularism, allowed their commandos to be converted to Islam also in order that they could help different Saudi units to kill the jihadists.



Turning back to the Siege of Mecca in 1979 when Juhayman al-Otaibi and his followers stormed Mecca. It becomes clear that this galvanized America and Saudi Arabia to further bankroll Sunni Islamic terrorists in Afghanistan and bordering regions of Pakistan. After all, the elites in Saudi Arabia needed a distraction and America was worried about the repercussions of this extremely important event.

The year 1979 in the Islamic world was dramatic and this applies to the Iranian Revolution, the Soviet Union entering Afghanistan, and the Siege of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. However, the greater event was the Siege of Mecca because for America and Saudi Arabia the crisis in Afghanistan was a welcome distraction. Therefore, funding Sunni Islamic terrorism was a great way to take the “heat” of elites within Saudi Arabia and to unify Sunni Islamists into their version of an Islamic jihad.

At the same time, it is also clear that the Islamic ulema violated the words of the prophet Mohammed because killing is forbidden in the Grand Mosque. However, the Islamic ulema supported the attack against the jihadists and Saudi units, the French National Gendarmerie Intervention Group (GIGN), CIA operatives who were involved in the planning, and other covert security agencies, stormed the Grand Mosque and killed hundreds of Sunni jihadists. The true extent of the attack was hidden in general from the outside world but the repercussions remain powerful today.



It must also be stated that apart from one individual connected with the bin Laden family, every other militant was beheaded within a very short period after being captured. This fact, shows the nature of Saudi Arabian law and how fickle human rights are in America, France, and the United Kingdom, because Western nations were involved in crushing this revolt and they understood the consequences of what would happen. Therefore, Juhayman al-Otaibi and his followers were written out of the history books and why so little footage given the severe nature of this event in the Western media?


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In an earlier article published by Modern Tokyo Times it was stated that The Saudi Arabian regime in 1979 faced a major crisis because the siege of Mecca could have led to severe pressure on the House of Saud. Therefore, the regime turned to America in order to crush the uprising.  CIA operatives were sent to help.” Ziauddin Sardar states in his article called The battle at Islam’s heart” (1 November 2007 – The New Statesman) that A horde of CIA operatives was quickly converted to Islam so that they could enter the Holy City to assess the battlefield for themselves. They recommended chemical warfare.”



Therefore, the French GIGN which is a specialist counter-terrorism unit and which is trained in hostage taking events, alongside CIA operatives, were converted to Islam with the blessing of political elites in both America and France. The conversions lacked sincerity and is clear evidence that the House of Saud, the Islamic ulema in Saudi Arabia, the slave mentality of America and France which would do anything for the monarchy, all worked hand in hand. Irrespective if individuals agree with crushing the jihadist uprising, it is clear that individuals like Osama bin Laden would understand this event from “an Islamic point of view” and this applies to violating the Grand Mosque of Mecca. The trade-off between the Saudi regime and the religious leaders of Saudi Arabia was that they would be allowed to do whatever they liked apart from threatening the ruling elites. Therefore, terrorism in “not our backyard” was implemented and radical organizations were allowed to spread their ideology throughout the world and clearly with great success.


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Word about events in Makkah had, however, already been leaked to the international media via Washington sources, and on the siege’s second day the front page of The New York Times carried the wholly erroneous — and highly dangerous — headline: “Makkah mosque seized by gunman believed to be militants from Iran.” 

Following events in Iran, where the shah had been overthrown and replaced by a fundamentalist Islamic republic headed by the revolutionary cleric Ayatollah Khomeini, the Islamic world was a potential time bomb. On Nov. 4, just 16 days before the mosque was seized, Iranian revolutionaries had attacked the US embassy in Tehran, taking captive 52 Americans who would be held hostage for 444 days.

Inevitably, conspiracy theories about the events in Makkah began to circulate, fueled not only by The New York Times’ coverage but also by Khomeini, who publicly offered the alternative speculation that “this act has been perpetrated by the criminal American imperialism so that it can infiltrate the solid ranks of Muslims.”



A New York Times headline erroneously attributed the attack to Iran.


Demonstrators in 1979 outside the American Center in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, alleging American and Israeli involvement in the takeover of the Grand Mosque. Granger Historical Picture Archive / Alamy Stock Photo

On Wednesday, Nov. 21, a mob in Pakistan infuriated by Khomeini’s statement stormed the US embassy in Islamabad, burning it to the ground. Two US servicemen and two Pakistani members of the embassy staff died in the attack. On Dec. 2, similar unrest inspired by Khomeini’s false allegations flared up in Tripoli, where the US embassy was burned and all personnel were withdrawn from Libya for the next 25 years.

On Thursday, Nov. 22, Interior Minister Prince Naif moved to quash the rumors with a categorical statement: “Neither the United States, Iran, nor any other countries have had anything to do with the attack on the Holy Kaaba.” The attack had been carried out solely by “a gang that deviated from the path of Islam.” 




By this time, command of the operation to retake the mosque had been given to Brigadier general Faleh Al-Dhahri, commander of the Saudi Army’s King Abdul Aziz Armored Brigade, who had been asked by Prince Naif to head to Makkah with special equipment from his base at Tabuk. The Marwa Gate doors would be blown open by members of Prince Turki’s own Directorate of Intelligence, allowing the armored brigade to storm in.

A Saudi Army vehicle in a state of alert outside the Grand Mosque. Asharq Al-Awsat

There was, as Prince Turki recalled, a grim irony in the deployment of the armored brigade, which was based more than 800 kilometers away in the northwestern town of Tabuk. “One of the beliefs of these people, along with their belief in the Mahdi and that he would be declared in the mosque, and so on, was that the forces of the devil that would oppose the Mahdi would come from Tabuk.

a pure KSA propaganda  in favor of MBS & against  Iran by accusing Iran to causing conservatism  in KSA


“While the extremism of the attackers prevented real public sympathy from developing,” reported the paper, “some of their demands, such as halting soccer, television and the education of women, are not unattractive to fundamentalists who have been upset by infusions of western technology and customs.

Mindful of the Islamic militancy … in Iran,” the paper added, the government was enforcing “some of the restrictive old laws.”

There had, for example, “been a crackdown on the employment of women” and the publication of photographs of women. A picture of the American actress Bette Davis, claimed the Times, was reported to have been “obliterated in the Arab News.” 

Almaeena, a former editor-in-chief of Arab News who was working for Saudi Arabian Airlines at the time, witnessed the siege and had no doubt that it changed the climate in Saudi Arabia. Juhayman, he said, “lost the battle but won the war.” 

“At that time Jeddah was a laid-back city,” he recalled. “I used to go to movies with my mother. Women were not told to cover up. In those days you had Saudi singers, women also, and then you had Saudi TV and radio shows, (with) women and men, and things were going on well.”

After the siege, all that changed. “They stopped women from appearing on TV — my wife used to read the news on TV. You could not even get (the famous Lebanese singers) Fairouz or Samira Tewfik to come on TV, and this was a big shock for a country that was used to music.”

Worse was to come. “We should be very frank,” said Almaeena. “The religious police started harassing people, started coming and interfering in our lives, asking questions. It was like the Spanish Inquisition ... a shadow fell over the country.”

Prince Turki said that lessons were certainly learnt by the state. “The first lesson is that you must be wary of any ideas and attempts to change the basic beliefs and tenets of Muslim practice,” he said. “These people adopted a very extreme ideology that came out of imagination and obscure thinking, and did not connect to anything that normal human beings and Muslims in particular have, either in practice or in study or in anything like that.

“And the second thing that we must learn from this is that we must be wary of any attempts to use Islam as a tool for any political activity. Islam as a religion is a code of conduct. It is a system of justice. It is a beneficial core of mercy and bonding between Muslims through the zakat and other issues. As a political system the authority of the ruler, the imam of the community, is supreme, so any khawrij, or ideas, that would go to challenge these core principals of Islam should not be taken lightly.”

Today, Saudi Arabia’s leadership is working to reverse the years of social regression triggered by the siege of the Grand Mosque. “We are returning to what we were before — a country of moderate Islam that is open to all religions and to the world,” Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman told the Future Investment Initiative conference in Riyadh in 2017. “We will not spend the next 30 years of our lives dealing with destructive ideas. We will destroy them today.”

In another interview in 2018, the crown prince acknowledged that for decades after the events of 1979, the form of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia had been unnecessarily strict and intolerant.

“After 1979, that’s true,” he told the CBS News “60 Minutes” program in his first interview with a US television network, but “this is not the real Saudi Arabia. I would ask your viewers to use their smartphones to find out. Google Saudi Arabia in the 70s and 60s, and they will see the real Saudi Arabia in the pictures.

“We were victims, especially my generation that suffered from this a great deal.”

Before the Iranian Revolution and the siege of Makkah rocked the Muslim world, said the crown prince, “we were living a very normal life like the rest of the Gulf countries.”

“Women were driving cars. There were movie theaters in Saudi Arabia. Women worked everywhere. We were just normal people developing like any other country in the world until the events of 1979.”

Like many Saudis, the journalist Almaeena is grateful to the crown prince for the steps he is taking to modernize Saudi society. “The religious police have been put back in their barracks, and for this I would give him 10 out of 10. They are not out there harassing people. We are living more normal and more relaxed lives.”

In a breathtakingly short time, he said, “things have changed a great deal. Women are more confident and they can go out. Now women drive from Jeddah to Yanbu, and they even drive alone. Women go to gyms.”

Almaeena, who describes himself as a conservative, said that there is “a difference between westernization and modernization. Islam is a modern religion and we want to modernize, not westernize.”

He regrets that his own children “grew up in an environment that was totally alien to me. I learned Islam from my mother who never covered her face.”

It has taken decades for Saudi Arabia to recover its tolerance and respect for personal freedom and now, as the Kingdom moves rapidly back to the future, for all of its citizens the sky is the limit.

For Almaeena, one of the most powerful and inspiring symbols of the new liberalization is the iconic image of the Saudi climber Raha Moharrak, who in 2013 was photographed on the summit of Mount Everest, proudly holding high her nation’s flag.

Moharrak, the youngest Arab and the first Saudi woman to climb the world’s tallest mountain, has said: “I really don’t care about being the first, so long as it inspires someone else to be second.”

Now, 40 years after the events that set back Saudi Arabia’s progress and development by decades, her countrymen and women are finally free once again to reach for their own personal summits.


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