Do you even care? or are you just ignorant

[slavelight]

Do you people even pay heed on what's going on in the world? Or are you busy with tiktok, instagram, facebook, video games, football games, or kardashian show?

Your rights are being taken away day by day since the start of pandemic, people are literally being thrown into concentration camps, kids are being bribed to take the vaccine without parental consent, your movements are being restricted. Do you even pay heed on what's going on? unvaccinated are being treated like they have aerosol HIV. Have you not seen the massive protest taking place all over the world? Why are muslim, shia muslims who talk about justice and being against oppression every year not raised a single finger on this issue? This issue is not about whether vaccine is good or bad, it's about your human rights! Have this plandemic made you blind to your human rights?

The way the state has built an enemy profile for unvaccinated is no better than the way nazi treated the jews. These nazis were also ordinary men, but progressively some of them turned into monsters. This is what will happen with the state, progressively they will take away all your rights. This is just the beginning. Say goodbye to raising your family as shia, these individuals are not profitable for the state.

Enjoy what your religion says, but don't raise a finger against oppression, unless it's sided with the oppressors. - Modern day muslims.
The same people that says they are followers of ahlul bayt, but blind to the oppression of the oppressors.

How will you choose side during the return of your imam, when your state will build an enemy profile for him. How will you do it, when you can't even do it now!

My god! open your eyes before you go fully blind.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

I do care, that's why I got vaccinated... Do you ever get tired of making up the same garbage found in Facebook, Tiktok, Instagram, etc? Shiachat certainly doesn't need this obvious nonsense that you are pedalling. Sorry, I can't find a polite way to say this.

2 hours ago, slavelight said:

hese nazis were also ordinary men, but progressively some of them turned into monsters. This is what will happen with the state, progressively they will take away all your rights. This is just the beginning. Say goodbye to raising your family as shia, these individuals are not profitable for the state.

Everyone's suburban yuppie aunt Jennifer said that back when vaccines supposedly caused autism, in hindsight, I am surprised that nobody picked up on the fact that the conspiracy had very ableist undertones to it. I am convinced anti-vaccine conspiracies on the Internet. started off as a modern-day revival of eugenics. Anyone can become disabled, people's value cannot be defined by being fit or unfit; Likewise, you cannot prevent disabilities from happpening if you don't get vaccinated.

[slavelight]

When muslims are trying to excuse the oppression of the oppressors, then it's obvious something has change in followers of islam.

They are not following islam, they are following the "religion islam", that doesn't allow critical thinking, that doesn't allow speaking of truth other than what's acceptable from the oppressors. That only allows limited opinions.

That limits the spectrum of what's acceptable but allows very lively debate within that spectrum. - That is why muslims are they way they are today. That's why they are more worried if this 0.0001% alcohol contained in food is haram, but having fetus cells derived from aborted fetus is acceptable, that's why they are constantly talking about sunni/shia issue instead of looking at their true enemies. Because they are only debating within that spectrum of what's acceptable. This is what islam has turned to, a religion of limited spectrum owned by the enemies of islam.

 

[notme]

I care too much. That's why I'm here. That's why I do almost everything that I do. 

The younger generation is going to save us, if we just get out of their way. I work with 12 and 13 year olds and they give me hope for humanity. If we don't destroy the world before they grow up, they're going to use their ideas and empathy to fix this mess we've been making for the past 10 000 years. 

[Shi3atAli1]

Very interesting discussion to initiate. I do agree that the unvaccinated are being strangely demonised -- painted as selfish, ignorant, and the reason we haven't been able to overcome the pandemic. They are also being slowly isolated from the rest of the world, literally. If you're British, you may well be familiar with the way the Conservatives have laughed off their 'Christmas party' during the mock press conference. If you've read 1984, it's all very surreal.

(For full disclosure, I am fully vaccinated as are the many medical staff I know.)

[slavelight]

On 12/10/2021 at 1:39 AM, Shi3atAli1 said:

If you're British, you may well be familiar with the way the Conservatives have laughed off their 'Christmas party' during the mock press conference. If you've read 1984, it's all very surreal.

Meanwhile on stage they are delivering a different act, causing unnecesarsy fear and panic, leaving us vulnerable to manipulation, while secretly throwing parties in their mansions free from masks and social distancing, rulings that only apply to the peasant class.
 

[islamicmusic]

  

On 12/12/2021 at 1:13 AM, slavelight said:

Meanwhile on stage they are delivering a different act, causing unnecesarsy fear and panic, leaving us vulnerable to manipulation, while secretly throwing parties in their mansions free from masks and social distancing, rulings that only apply to the peasant class.
 

Not so secretly.

Here's two front pages of a newspaper in Turkey only a day apart.

First headline says, "Magnificient Wedding" referring to the wedding of the Turkish politicians' children. No distance, no mask or no anything.

Second headline says "Despite measures and warnings people are same old, same old". Referring to the common people having to wait in queues with masks on. And the title and article are blaming ordinary citizens, saying the citizens are insensitive. They are not blaming the government which makes people wait in those long lines. In the end, people are not willingly getting in those PTT queues, but they have to get in line to cash, pay taxes, pay fines, exam fees etc.

Edited December 13, 2021 by islamicmusic

[Dubilex]

Not to mention how awfully many muslims support the concentration camps in China, where all manners of atrocities are committed against muslim Uyghurs. But many muslims in the west thinks that USA being bad = equals China being good.  The same people crying like babies about palestine, turns around the next minute and justifies China's concentration camps.

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 12/9/2021 at 1:48 AM, slavelight said:

How will you choose side during the return of your imam, when your state will build an enemy profile for him. How will you do it, when you can't even do it now!

My god! open your eyes before you go fully blind.

 

The Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution, referring to the continuation of danger due to the variants of the viruses, advised people to continue observing health-related protocols and said: prolongation of the pandemic should not reduce precautions. All of us must follow the health-related rules recommended by the authorities, such as face-covering and social distancing, everywhere, including various religious and non-religious ceremonies.

He pointed out: If people put their efforts to comply with the rules for a period entirely, then the virus will be eradicated or minimised its spread. As a result, we will have no life-threatening issues or financial difficulties.

By addressing the officials, Ayatollah Khamenei emphasised: Governmental institutions should seriously support the production of domestic vaccines so that this can be done in the best possible way.

 

Quote

https://www.leader.ir/en/content/25101/Ayatollah-Khamenei-Received-his-second-dose-of-COVIran-Barakat-vaccine

[Ashvazdanghe]

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We should truly appreciate the national honor of having produced an Iranian Covid vaccine.

 

https://en.hawzahnews.com/news/362664/Imam-Khamenei-I-am-grateful-to-those-who-provided-the-country

 

[slavelight]

Let's hope that it's not saline shots they are giving him, if he truly believes in the power of covid vaccines.

On 12/14/2021 at 1:26 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

He pointed out: If people put their efforts to comply with the rules for a period entirely, then the virus will be eradicated or minimised its spread. As a result, we will have no life-threatening issues or financial difficulties.

This is not true though, if it was true we wouldn't reach new peaks. The virus has not been eradicted nor has it been minimised according to the data available, actually it has gone worse (statistically speaking).

It's all about perspective. Watch tv and listen to your authorities then you are living in a world of a "dangerous virus". Turn off tv and don't listen to your authorities, then it's just a normal day.

Sadly it's too late to talk about perspectives, most people will never see the other side, they have stupendous amount of fear from this virus leaving them vulnerable to manipulation and mass hypnosis from the authorities and all parties of interest.

[Tabassum Iman]

On 12/8/2021 at 5:18 PM, slavelight said:

Do you people even pay heed on what's going on in the world? Or are you busy with tiktok, instagram, facebook, video games, football games, or kardashian show?

Your rights are being taken away day by day since the start of pandemic, people are literally being thrown into concentration camps, kids are being bribed to take the vaccine without parental consent, your movements are being restricted. Do you even pay heed on what's going on? unvaccinated are being treated like they have aerosol HIV. Have you not seen the massive protest taking place all over the world? Why are muslim, shia muslims who talk about justice and being against oppression every year not raised a single finger on this issue? This issue is not about whether vaccine is good or bad, it's about your human rights! Have this plandemic made you blind to your human rights?

The way the state has built an enemy profile for unvaccinated is no better than the way nazi treated the jews. These nazis were also ordinary men, but progressively some of them turned into monsters. This is what will happen with the state, progressively they will take away all your rights. This is just the beginning. Say goodbye to raising your family as shia, these individuals are not profitable for the state.

Enjoy what your religion says, but don't raise a finger against oppression, unless it's sided with the oppressors. - Modern day muslims.
The same people that says they are followers of ahlul bayt, but blind to the oppression of the oppressors.

How will you choose side during the return of your imam, when your state will build an enemy profile for him. How will you do it, when you can't even do it now!

My god! open your eyes before you go fully blind.

I understand your initial concern in wanting to make sure that the Covid vaccine was effective. It has been proven to be effective as all vaccines have proven to be effective. This world has been able to produce excellent vaccines against many types of deadly disease. Vaccines come from Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. Disease comes from Massiah Dajjel. The Massiah Dajjel is 100% opposed to vaccines.

You should heed your own advice, emerge from the darkness and protect yourself from this deadly virus. Get your vaccine.

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 12/14/2021 at 3:37 PM, slavelight said:

et's hope that it's not saline shots they are giving him

Salam It has been genuine domestic  Covid vaccine which all anti Iran media have tried to show it as Salin Shots or fake vaccine  due to their hate from him & Iran & denying  achievements of Iranian  scientists  for making a real effective Covid vaccine without intervention  of drug Companies  although  of their all unhuman sanctions of Iran in any field especially  in field  of medicine .

On 12/14/2021 at 3:37 PM, slavelight said:

This is not true though, if it was true we wouldn't reach new peaks. The virus has not been eradicted nor has it been minimised according to the data available, actually it has gone worse (statistically speaking).

It's all about perspective. Watch tv and listen to your authorities then you are living in a world of a "dangerous virus". Turn off tv and don't listen to your authorities, then it's just a normal day.

It's ironically  against  all of your previous  nonsenses about spreading of Covid-19 just because  you have wanted to deny achievement  of Iran to an really effective  domesticated Covid vaccine.

[slavelight]

On 12/15/2021 at 12:07 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam It has been genuine domestic  Covid vaccine which all anti Iran media have tried to show it as Salin Shots or fake vaccine  due to their hate from him & Iran & denying  achievements of Iranian  scientists  for making a real effective Covid vaccine without intervention  of drug Companies  although  of their all unhuman sanctions of Iran in any field especially  in field  of medicine .

Salam, can you guarantee that the shot they gave him is not saline or some other mixture other than the domestic "covid vaccine". Saline shots have been given to thousands all over the world, some intentionally other unintentionally. Leaders going live on tv showing themselves taking a jab doesn't guarantee anything.

 

On 12/15/2021 at 12:07 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

It's ironically  against  all of your previous  nonsenses about spreading of Covid-19 just because  you have wanted to deny achievement  of Iran to an really effective  domesticated Covid vaccine.

I think you are being very favourably inclined towards your nation IRAN. This is why you are very defensive and nationalistic of every criticism towards IRAN.
It's amusing how you mention that IRAN has a really 'effective domestic covid vaccine' when the western countries with more advancement in medicine are having troubles with their covid vaccines.

Perchance there might be as much brainwashing and conditioning in IRAN as there is in western countries from their news outlet, for their own self interest.

[slavelight]

21 hours ago, Tabassum Iman said:

I understand your initial concern in wanting to make sure that the Covid vaccine was effective. It has been proven to be effective as all vaccines have proven to be effective. This world has been able to produce excellent vaccines against many types of deadly disease. Vaccines come from Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. Disease comes from Massiah Dajjel. The Massiah Dajjel is 100% opposed to vaccines.

You should heed your own advice, emerge from the darkness and protect yourself from this deadly virus. Get your vaccine.

It has not proven to be effective at all. Why else would you need 3 doses, now some countries have gone to 4 doses. Not only is it for new variants but also because they drastically lose effectiveness 2-6 months after (what I can remember). There are already many threads on this issue (in the science/health/economics section), which I suggest you check out.

No vaccines are not from Allah, some of these vaccines are derived from aborted fetuses, do you think this is what Allah wants? Have you checked any alternative media on the many that have been affected negatively by the vaccines? Do you think Allah would allow medicine to be profitable, a business whose profit increase the more sick people there are.
Are you aware of the billions $$$ sales the big vaccine manufacturers are making from the pandemic?

It's actually scary how confidently you are saying that vaccines are from Allah. In that case we are not worshipping the same Allah, because my lord is free from blame.

Edited December 15, 2021 by slavelight

[Ali_Hussain]

Joe Rogan had quite an interesting discussion about covid recently, it is quite long but the first half hour alone is very informative and worth a listen.

This is the guest:

 https://www.uscjournal.com/authors/peter-mccullough

[Ashvazdanghe]

15 hours ago, slavelight said:

Salam, can you guarantee that the shot they gave him is not saline or some other mixture other than the domestic "covid vaccine". Saline shots have been given to thousands all over the world, some intentionally other unintentionally. Leaders going live on tv showing themselves taking a jab doesn't guarantee anything.

Salam , Surely Imam Khamenei has received a real effective domestic  Covid vaccine which conspiracy guys likewise you can't deny it in similar fashiom all anti Iran wahabi & zionist backed media couldn't deny this fact .

15 hours ago, slavelight said:

I think you are being very favourably inclined towards your nation IRAN. This is why you are very defensive and nationalistic of every criticism towards IRAN.
It's amusing how you mention that IRAN has a really 'effective domestic covid vaccine' when the western countries with more advancement in medicine are having troubles with their covid vaccines.

Perchance there might be as much brainwashing and conditioning in IRAN as there is in western countries from their news outlet, for their own self interest.

Iranian pharma companies have no interest in producing domestic Covid vaccine which Iranian pharma companies are providing domestic Covid vaccines  free of charge for all Iranians so therefore Iran doesn't need to brainwash people to use domestic covid vaccines but on the other hand must provide facts for facing with false information & brainwashing of anti Iran outlets against using domestic covid vaccine & supporting of them likewise support of Mko terrorists from british & American covid vaccine for interest of America & Zionist Israel.

[Abu Hadi]

On 12/8/2021 at 5:18 PM, slavelight said:

Do you people even pay heed on what's going on in the world? Or are you busy with tiktok, instagram, facebook, video games, football games, or kardashian show?

Your rights are being taken away day by day since the start of pandemic, people are literally being thrown into concentration camps, kids are being bribed to take the vaccine without parental consent, your movements are being restricted. Do you even pay heed on what's going on? unvaccinated are being treated like they have aerosol HIV. Have you not seen the massive protest taking place all over the world? Why are muslim, shia muslims who talk about justice and being against oppression every year not raised a single finger on this issue? This issue is not about whether vaccine is good or bad, it's about your human rights! Have this plandemic made you blind to your human rights?

The way the state has built an enemy profile for unvaccinated is no better than the way nazi treated the jews. These nazis were also ordinary men, but progressively some of them turned into monsters. This is what will happen with the state, progressively they will take away all your rights. This is just the beginning. Say goodbye to raising your family as shia, these individuals are not profitable for the state.

Enjoy what your religion says, but don't raise a finger against oppression, unless it's sided with the oppressors. - Modern day muslims.
The same people that says they are followers of ahlul bayt, but blind to the oppression of the oppressors.

How will you choose side during the return of your imam, when your state will build an enemy profile for him. How will you do it, when you can't even do it now!

My god! open your eyes before you go fully blind.

It is amazing to me that not too long ago, maybe a few centuries ago, the muslims were the leaders in the world in science and scientific discovery. How far we have fallen from that now.

If you look at the actual data and research on the effectiveness of the vaccine, you will quickly find that it is safe and effective. It doesn't contain a 'tracking chip', it won't turn you magnetic, it isn't a conspiracy by the Dajjal to lead Muslims astray. There is absolutely no evidence for any of those things. 

Some muslims are suspicious of it because it was developed in the 'West' by non Muslims, although not totally since some of the people who work at those pharma companies like Pfizer and Moderna are Muslims.  Yes, the top management and CEOs of those companies are non Muslims, but this doesn't mean the vaccine is a conspiricy. Like others have said, the 'relief' from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) comes in many forms and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) many times uses non Muslims to bring relief to Muslims. The source of the knowledge for the vaccine is from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and the fact that it cures people is from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) since he is Al Kafi, Al Shafi(s.w.a) (the one who heals and makes well after illness). The vaccine is only one of the means He(s.w.a) uses to do this. 

I recommend Muslims go back to what we originally became famous for. Using logic and reason and looking at actual facts and data rather than speculation. 

Edited December 16, 2021 by Abu Hadi

[ummulbaneen]

2 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

 

If you look at the actual data and research on the effectiveness of the vaccine, you will quickly find that it is safe and effective.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/omicron-covid-variant-resistant-pfizer-vaccine-south-africa-rcna8678 

Perhaps what he needs an explanation of how it can be considered effective yet the scientists are also saying:

1. It does not prevent one from getting infection (it MAY boost ones immunity towards subsequent infection, and some scientists are also saying the immune response of actually getting covid is a better immune response than the one achieved by vaccination);

2. There is no guarantee that despite vaccination one will not get a severe and possibly fatal version;

3. Getting vaccinated will not make one incapable of infecting others;

4. Vaccinations will not in any way end or reduce the masking and social distance measures one still needs to take;

5. Variations that come in the possibly very near future are likely to be vaccine resistant, as we are already seeing with "Omricon".

 

I think we should leave it at:

Whoever feels the vaccine will protect them should take it, because if it works, it will protect them. and if it does not work, others taking it will not help or harm them either way. 

[slavelight]

12 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

Using logic and reason and looking at actual facts and data rather than speculation. 

https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/12/01/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-11-19-2021/

I have read VAERS disclaimer. Are you now going to deny all of the above data? Let me also mention that all adverse reactions are not being reported. I must say that we have very different interpretation of "safe and effective". If it's "safe and effective", why are the manufacturers not taking liability for adverse reactions?

Do you watch sports? there has been a colossal increase of athletees collapsing or dying due to heart issues. At the moment it's at 318 cardiac arrest, 178 dead. These numbers are for known athletees not for any random athlete.
https://goodsciencing.com/covid/71-athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-26-die-after-covid-shot/

 

Here is another alternative source: https://thecovidworld.com/             ---         "because everyones story should be heard"

 

These are conspiracy theories for most people because it goes against the mainstream media narrative of this "deadly virus" whose only cure is taking a jab and then another jab and then another jab and then............

 

 

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

Quote

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA’s multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as “safety signals.” If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same scientific limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.

Key considerations and limitations of VAERS data:

• Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.
• Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
• The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
• VAERS data is limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.
• VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.

VAERS data available to the public include only the initial report data to VAERS. Updated data which contains data from medical records and corrections reported during follow up are used by the government for analysis. However, for numerous reasons including data consistency, these amended data are not available to the public.

 

I interpret using reason and logic as to not use my (and my families) body for new medical treatments that lack unbiased research free from conflict of interest to conclude it's effectiveness and safety.

Edited December 16, 2021 by slavelight

[313_Waiter]

6 hours ago, slavelight said:

I have read VAERS disclaimer. Are you now going to deny all of the above data? Let me also mention that all adverse reactions are not being reported. I must say that we have very different interpretation of "safe and effective". If it's "safe and effective", why are the manufacturers not taking liability for adverse reactions?

Do you watch sports? there has been a colossal increase of athletees collapsing or dying due to heart issues. At the moment it's at 318 cardiac arrest, 178 dead. These numbers are for known athletees not for any random athlete.
https://goodsciencing.com/covid/71-athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-26-die-after-covid-shot/

 

Salam what percentage of the population is this as compared to covid adverse reactions? 

[Abu Hadi]

14 hours ago, slavelight said:

https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/12/01/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-11-19-2021/

I have read VAERS disclaimer. Are you now going to deny all of the above data? Let me also mention that all adverse reactions are not being reported. I must say that we have very different interpretation of "safe and effective". If it's "safe and effective", why are the manufacturers not taking liability for adverse reactions?

Do you watch sports? there has been a colossal increase of athletees collapsing or dying due to heart issues. At the moment it's at 318 cardiac arrest, 178 dead. These numbers are for known athletees not for any random athlete.
https://goodsciencing.com/covid/71-athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-26-die-after-covid-shot/

 

Here is another alternative source: https://thecovidworld.com/             ---         "because everyones story should be heard"

 

These are conspiracy theories for most people because it goes against the mainstream media narrative of this "deadly virus" whose only cure is taking a jab and then another jab and then another jab and then............

 

 

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

 

I interpret using reason and logic as to not use my (and my families) body for new medical treatments that lack unbiased research free from conflict of interest to conclude it's effectiveness and safety.

I'm not denying the data, but the presentation of the data is deeply flawed. Just a few points

1. What are 'adverse reactions'. This could be anything from a small headache to death. Most people who get the vaccine have some kind of 'adverse reaction'. When I got the vaccine, I felt a little sick for a few days. Not enough for me to call in sick from work. So is that considered an adverse reaction, yes. Is it really important in determining the safety or efficacy of the vaccine, no. Getting Covid while being unvaccinated is a significantly worse 'adverse' reaction. 

2. When you compare against 'all other vaccines 1990 to present', which is a 31 year span, this is not a good comparison. There is no other vaccine in history where as many doses were given out in such a short period of time. So you need to look at the total doses vs total adverse reactions, then break down those 'adverse reactions' by category and severity. 

3. Number of life threatening events. 21,582. This is interesting. If you look at the percentage of 'life threatening events'(non specific) compared to the number of Covid vaccine doses given to date (100s of millions) this proves my point that it is safe. Thank you for proving my point for me. Life threatening event is not death. Again, this is non specific. This could be anything from a sudden spike in blood pressure or a sudden drop in blood sugar to a heart attack or a stroke. So the number of 'life threatening' events, non specific divided by the number of doses is 0.0001199%. Less than 1/1000th of 1%. 

Now compare that to the actual deaths (not 'life threatening event, but deaths) from Covid in the US, over 800,000 to date. So are you safer getting the vaccine or not getting it. As a rational person, you tell me ? 

So you are cherry picking the data and spinning it to try and make your point. If you look at the actual data, it proves the opposite of what you are saying. 

[slavelight]

14 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

1. What are 'adverse reactions'. This could be anything from a small headache to death. Most people who get the vaccine have some kind of 'adverse reaction'. When I got the vaccine, I felt a little sick for a few days. Not enough for me to call in sick from work. So is that considered an adverse reaction, yes. Is it really important in determining the safety or efficacy of the vaccine, no. Getting Covid while being unvaccinated is a significantly worse 'adverse' reaction. 

I think most people felt sick after the jab, some only for 1 day others for several days. Adverse reactions from my understanding consists mainly of myocarditis & pericarditis, autoimmune reactions, thrombosis (blood clot), amongst others. These are the more serious ones:

• Death
• A life-threatening reaction
• Inpatient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization
• A persistent or significant incapacity or substantial disruption of the ability to conduct normal life functions
• A congenital anomaly/birth defect

VAERS provides the data for all the reactions in their website.

 

14 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

Now compare that to the actual deaths (not 'life threatening event, but deaths) from Covid in the US, over 800,000 to date. So are you safer getting the vaccine or not getting it. As a rational person, you tell me ? 

So you are cherry picking the data and spinning it to try and make your point. If you look at the actual data, it proves the opposite of what you are saying. 

 

The death toll of covid in US is greatly inflated. By late 2020 CDC themselves said that comorbidities present in 94% of covid deaths. Many patients had underlying conditions. Only for 6% of the deaths covid 19 was listed as the only cause. The issue here is that some are saying that covid 19 don't cause a direct fatality, but instead it causes the series of events togheter with the comorbidities that eventually leads to death. The question then becomes would those 94% have died if they didn't have their comorbidities?

 

From a statistical point of view I think it's more fair to look at the excess death rates. in 2020 and 2021 in the US there was an excess death rate (all causes) of about (410 000 - 420 000), that equals about the presumed deaths from covid (800 000).

https://www.usmortality.com/excess-absolute

The issue here is that, if we compare the excess death from 2021 to 2020 there isn't much difference. The excess death is almost the same as the year prior even though millions had access to vaccines early 2021. Let me repeat that the excess death numbers are from all causes of deaths not just covid listed deaths.

This from my reasoning means that the vaccines havn't worked as promised since the excess death 2021 to 2020 is almost the same. The only difference being that in 2021 millions had access to vaccines some even 3 jabs. How come we havn't seen any reduction of excess death 2021 compared to 2020, if the vaccines do work and are effective. Let me also not mention the peaks in new cases in several countries with high vaccination rate. Something is not adding up here.

We were promised lower covid 19 & more jabs, but we got more jabs and more covid 19 cases. On top of that diminished human rights, oppression and discrimination against the unvaccinated. We as shia are being played, taken as fools. Look how many nations are protesting against the zhulm on all human beings, while we sit on our couches parroting everything the media says.

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 12/16/2021 at 2:15 PM, Abu Hadi said:

Some muslims are suspicious of it because it was developed in the 'West' by non Muslims, although not totally since some of the people who work at those pharma companies like Pfizer and Moderna are Muslims.  Yes, the top management and CEOs of those companies are non Muslims, but this doesn't mean the vaccine is a conspiric

Salam this matter is not about struggle between Muslims & non Muslims but on the other hand is about hiding anti Islam agendas undercover of humanitarian activities which It has proven that big pharma companies have spread diseases in poor countries especially in Africa  then testing their new drugs on poor people in similar fashion on of lab rats which France has spread HIV in Iran by sending contanimated blood products for Iranians who have been suffering from hemophilia by hiding information under professional & vague wording in name of  humanitarian activities also big pharmas have been active in trafficking human body parts from dead bodies in wars or stolen children especially Shia children by ISIS in Syria & Iraq also their CEOs have strong relation with Zionists in Israel so therefore we can't trust totally on any vaccine or drug which has made for muslims which we must examine any vaccine or drug carefully which has produced by them before using .

[Northwest]

@slavelight

While I do not dispute the fact that people worldwide are experiencing symptoms, I do contest the official narrative that a so-called “virus” is the culprit.

Several reasons:

• According to official data, the alleged “virus” SARS-CoV-2 has never been isolated.
• The “virus” only affects states that agree to go along with the official narrative.
• Elites’ behaviour contradicts the notion that an airborne contagion is on the loose.
• The “virus” first emerged in areas that had previously installed 5G (i.e., Wuhan).
• The so-called “Spanish influenza” coincided with mass EMF communications.
• Former Secretary of Defence Pompeo called COVID-19 a military exercise.

So either the Iranian authorities are “in” on the act or have been misled (or bribed) to believe that a “virus” rather than EMFs is responsible for “COVID-19” symptoms.

[Haji 2003]

On 12/14/2021 at 7:26 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

The Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution, referring to the continuation of danger due to the variants of the viruses, advised people to continue observing health-related protocols and said: prolongation of the pandemic should not reduce precautions. All of us must follow the health-related rules recommended by the authorities, such as face-covering and social distancing, everywhere, including various religious and non-religious ceremonies.

Yes, the people who believe that this is some big-pharma conspiracy don't really explain why countries like Iran are recommending following the same protocols as everyone else.

[slavelight]

4 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Yes, the people who believe that this is some big-pharma conspiracy don't really explain why countries like Iran are recommending following the same protocols as everyone else.

Being IRAN doesn't grant them immunity from self-interest or ignorance.

[Northwest]

On 12/21/2021 at 1:28 AM, slavelight said:

Being IRAN doesn't grant them immunity from self-interest or ignorance.

Personally, I think that the world has gone along with this alleged “virus” due to the spread of the bourgeois mentality. As (Western) capitalism spread following the end of the Middle Ages legal fictions such as contracts, by definition dead matter, started to replace living communities. Instead of self-sustaining communities defended by well-armed patriarchs, mankind ended up with a vast sea of dependents, that is, “peaceful” merchants and investors (consumers) who rely on “experts.” They lacked the economic independence and self-dignity that were once associated with feudal lords (producers), by definition armed, who did not submit to any authority other than the Creator, at least theoretically, while scorning the “capitalistic” and “dependent” mindset. People rely too much on the bureaucratic, capitalistic state and legal contracts, having imbued the bourgeois mindset, so they cannot conceive of a rebellion against the matrix. After all, a revolt would put their lives and their families’ in danger and would disrupt their immediate profit and security. So they prefer to simply be a “good citizen,” trust the “experts,” and get “the jab” in order to continue working and providing for their families.

[notme]

Y'all's so wrong. It's the capitalist bootlickers that's virus deniers and antivaxxers. Capitalism requires that people sacrifice themselves to save the holy economy, rather than taking sensible precautions to protect themselves and their families and communities from sickness. 

Good citizenship has nothing to do with your government and everything to do with caring about and wanting success for your community. 

It would be easy for our governments in wealthy countries to take care of us for a few weeks and get this mess under control. We even have enough resources to take care of every person in the world while they isolate until the virus dies out. 

Or we could have before anyway. I'm not certain we can anymore now that it has mutated and infected livestock and wildlife. 

Your government doesn't care if you live or die, as long as you don't hurt the economy. That's exactly why they have people out working under threat of eviction or starvation, rather than stay home and avoid the covid virus.

[Northwest]

Interestingly, according to Israeli media both Pfizer and Moderna, which utilise the mRNA technology, are heavily staffed and/or run by (Zionist?) Jews.

Before someone blames a “Jewish” cabal, however, I would add that Israel has one of the world’s highest immunisation rates, so Jews cannot be accused of poisoning their own.

[PureExistence1]

24 minutes ago, Northwest said:

Interestingly, according to Israeli media both Pfizer and Moderna, which utilise the mRNA technology, are heavily staffed and/or run by (Zionist?) Jews.

Before someone blames a “Jewish” cabal, however, I would add that Israel has one of the world’s highest immunisation rates, so Jews cannot be accused of poisoning their own.

Salaam,

In Surah Yusuf(عليه السلام) Bani Israel whose father was Prophet Yaqoob, threw their own brother who was also a Prophet, in a well and left him to die.

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) shows us numerous times in the quran, (which is a book for humans of all times) how to recognize the behaviors, character and actions of this tribe.

This is a book for all time.

[PureExistence1]

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 84:

وَإِذْ أَخَذْنَا مِيثَاقَكُمْ لَا تَسْفِكُونَ دِمَاءَكُمْ وَلَا تُخْرِجُونَ أَنفُسَكُم مِّن دِيَارِكُمْ ثُمَّ أَقْرَرْتُمْ وَأَنتُمْ تَشْهَدُونَ

And when We made a covenant with you: You shall not shed your blood and you shall not turn your people out of your cities; then you gave a promise while you witnessed.
 

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 85:
ثُمَّ أَنتُمْ هَٰؤُلَاءِ تَقْتُلُونَ أَنفُسَكُمْ وَتُخْرِجُونَ فَرِيقًا مِّنكُم مِّن دِيَارِهِمْ تَظَاهَرُونَ عَلَيْهِم بِالْإِثْمِ وَالْعُدْوَانِ وَإِن يَأْتُوكُمْ أُسَارَىٰ تُفَادُوهُمْ وَهُوَ مُحَرَّمٌ عَلَيْكُمْ إِخْرَاجُهُمْ أَفَتُؤْمِنُونَ بِبَعْضِ الْكِتَابِ وَتَكْفُرُونَ بِبَعْضٍ فَمَا جَزَاءُ مَن يَفْعَلُ ذَٰلِكَ مِنكُمْ إِلَّا خِزْيٌ فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ يُرَدُّونَ إِلَىٰ أَشَدِّ الْعَذَابِ وَمَا اللَّهُ بِغَافِلٍ عَمَّا تَعْمَلُونَ

Yet you it is who slay your people and turn a party from among you out of their homes, backing each other up against them unlawfully and exceeding the limits; and if they should come to you, as captives you would ransom them -- while their very turning out was unlawful for you. Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? What then is the re ward of such among you as do this but disgrace in the life of this world, and on the day of resurrection they shall be sent back to the most grievous chastisement, and Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.

 

[Haji 2003]

On 1/10/2022 at 9:55 PM, notme said:

It's the capitalist bootlickers that's virus deniers and antivaxxers. Capitalism requires that people sacrifice themselves to save the holy economy, rather than taking sensible precautions to protect themselves and their families and communities from sickness. 

I agree.

Here's a reader comment from the Financial Times (WFH = working from home):

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The market knows the truth. Most modern office blocks count the people going in and out and that data is available to owners, maintainers and advisers. The WFH trend has cut the number of workers in the City by a substantial percentage. Broadly an average of 2 days a week WFH means a 40% cut in everything, including in the end a 40% cut in capital values.

https://www.ft.com/content/d2dfe93e-206f-447c-8a96-a60474c6757d

 

• Covid has been a disaster for those capitalists with capital tied up in office buildings.
• It's rare to see large scale behaviour change happen as rapidly as the WFH trend, but due to covid it has happened
• Capitalists would like to see people in offices, but now workers have been released from the slavery of commuting (about 60 mins extra to spend with their families - EVERY SINGLE DAY)
• People can see the savings they make when they don't spend US$5-10 on Starbucks every day and all the other expenses of office work, saving them thousands of dollars every year