how do we know which is correct?

[Guest muslim007]

salam i hope you are all well.

i am in an unusual situation where i am stuck between sects right now. i am currently sunni but considering switching to shia islam. 

i’m just confused on how to know which sect is the right one, the hadith about 72 sects going to hell always worries me

also this seems so stupid but if Allah answers the duas of both sunni and shia muslims, can He not accept prayers/duas from both sides? why should there be just one right one?

[Zane Ibrahim]

14 hours ago, Guest muslim007 said:

also this seems so stupid but if Allah answers the duas of both sunni and shia muslims, can He not accept prayers/duas from both sides? why should there be just one right one?

It doesn't matter which religion a person adheres to, because Allah can answer the prayers of Ahlul Kitab as well. Of course, it's a lot easier to have prayers answered as a Muslim (Shia Muslim, according to Shias), they still can be answered as Ahlul Kitab, but this doesn't mean that Ahlul Kitab are correct.

14 hours ago, Guest muslim007 said:

i’m just confused on how to know which sect is the right one,

There are multiple reasons as to why Shia Islam is correct. Three are mentioned below.

 

1. Quran

There are multiple verses in the Holy Quran which (indirectly) mention the fact that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was the greatest man after the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). 

For example, take Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:55:

إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ

Only Allah is your Guardian and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.

There are many Sunni Tafsir books which mention that this was revealed about Imam Ali:

Al-Majma’ Al-Awsat by al-Tabaraani , Hadith number 6414

Tafseer Durr al-Manthoor by Al-Suyuti, 2: 293

Tafseer Ibn Kathir, 7:394

and more.

Another Ayat about Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was Surah al-Bayyinah 98:7:

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ أُولَٰئِكَ هُمْ خَيْرُ الْبَرِيَّةِ

(As for) those who believe and do good, surely they are the best of men.

Ibn Abbas narrated that when the verse "(As for) those who believe and do good, surely they are the best of men"

was revealed, Rasulullah said to Ali:

"They are you and your Shi’a.”

Sunni references:

-al-Hafidh Jamaluddin al-Dharandi, on the authority of Ibn Abbas

-al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, pp 246-247

2. Hadith

There are multiple hadiths which show that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was the true successor of the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). Three are mentioned below.

1. Quran & AhlulBayt

Narrated Zayd Bin Arqam that Rasulullah said:

"I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. The second are my AhlulBayt I remind you (of your duties) to my AhlulBayt."

Sunni source: 

Sahih Muslim Book 031, Hadith Number 5920

2. "For whomever I am his Master"

Narrated Abu Sarihah that Rasulullah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said:

"For whomever I am his Mawla (master) then Ali is his Mawla."

3. "What prevented you from reviling Abu Turab?"

Narrated Amir Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Waqqas:

"Mu'awiyah bin Abu Sufyan ordered Sa'd, saying,

"What prevented you from reviling Abu Turab?"

He said: "Three things that I remember from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) prevent me from reviling him. That I should have even one those things is more beloved to me than red camels.

1. I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) speaking to 'Ali, and he had left him behind in one of his battles.

So 'Ali said to him: "O Messenger of Allah! You leave me behind with women and children?"

So the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said to him: "Are you not pleased that you should be in the position with me that Harun was with Musa? Except that there is no Prophethood after me?"

And on the Day of (the battle of) Khaibar, I heard him saying: "I shall give the banner to a man who loves Allah and His Messenger, and Allah and His Messenger love him."

So we all waited for that, then he said: "Call 'Ali for me."

So he came to him, and he had been suffering from Ramad (an eye condition), so he (ﷺ) put spittle in his eye and gave the banner to him, then Allah granted him victory.

And when this Ayah was revealed:

"Come, let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women..." (3:61)

the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) called Ali, Fatimah, Hasan, and Husain and said: "O Allah, these are my family."

3. Imams of the Shia VS Imams of Ahlul Sunnah

(By 'imams of Ahlul Sunnah', I mean Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman)

There are dozens and dozens of Du'as which have been left behind for us by the 12 Imams. Dua Kumayl, Dua Nudba, Dua Tawassul, Dua Ahd, As-Sahifa As-Sajjadiyya etc.

Where are the Du'as from Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman?

Our Imams, especially Imam al-Baqir and Imam al-Sadiq, participated in many debates with Sunnis, atheists, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Polytheists, and more.

Which debates did Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman participate in?

There are books which Sayyeda Fatima and our Imams have written which are unmatched even now, like Sahifa Alawiyya, Mushaf Fatima, As-Sahifa As-Sajjadiyya, Risalat al-Huquq, The Lantern of the Path, The Golden Dissertation etc.

Which books have Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman left for humanity?

Our sixth Imam, Imam al-Sadiq, taught thousands and thousands of students in his school. Some of these are Khawarizmi, also known as The Father of Algebra, Jabir Ibn Hayyan, also known as The Father of Early Chemistry, Abu Hanifa, Malik Ibn Anas, and many, many more.

Who have Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman taught?

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May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) guide the entire Ummah.

[Zane Ibrahim]

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) guide the entire Ummah.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Zane Ibrahim
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[Muhammad A-H]

17 hours ago, Guest muslim007 said:

the hadith about 72 sects going to hell always worries me

That part of the hadith is unauthentic according to Shia scholars.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Muhammad A-H

[غلام علی]

On 12/6/2021 at 6:34 PM, Guest muslim007 said:

i’m just confused on how to know which sect is the right one, the hadith about 72 sects going to hell always worries me

Wsalam, 

I would not go into the Quranic and Hadith aspect of your question as @Zane Ibrahim has explained it very well. But just think logically and see which one sect is being isolated and attacked by all other sects. The answer is obvious ie Shii’sm. 

[145_turbo_16V]

On 12/6/2021 at 7:04 AM, Guest muslim007 said:

salam i hope you are all well.

i am in an unusual situation where i am stuck between sects right now. i am currently sunni but considering switching to shia islam. 

i’m just confused on how to know which sect is the right one, the hadith about 72 sects going to hell always worries me

also this seems so stupid but if Allah answers the duas of both sunni and shia muslims, can He not accept prayers/duas from both sides? why should there be just one right one?

Salam,

Almost every sect uses that Hadith and they claim their sect is the saved one.

If you are "considering" switching, then what is it that you are considering? Which factor is causing you to consider?

 

Edited December 17, 2021 by 145_turbo_16V

[lover]

I recommend you two documentaries by the YouTube history channel 'Kings and Generals' (non-Shia and non-Sunni). It is amazing how some non-Muslims have a deeper understanding of Islamic history than some Muslims:

The first one is about the history of Shia-Sunni division.

The second one is about the Abbasid, but it also explains the Umayyad corruption and explains a little about the Ahl ul-Bayt and how rulers were determined in Sunni Islam:

 

Edited January 30, 2022 by lover

[Debate follower]

On 12/6/2021 at 3:04 PM, Guest muslim007 said:

salam i hope you are all well.

i am in an unusual situation where i am stuck between sects right now. i am currently sunni but considering switching to shia islam. 

i’m just confused on how to know which sect is the right one, the hadith about 72 sects going to hell always worries me

also this seems so stupid but if Allah answers the duas of both sunni and shia muslims, can He not accept prayers/duas from both sides? why should there be just one right one?

Wa’alaykum Salaam – First of all you have sincerely to get knowledge of both sides by reading the right sources of both sides and not from internet debates – here everything is free for all.

Once you have got the basic knowledge you won’t have to worry about 72 sects.  The Truth always stands apart head over shoulders from the false if you sincerely without any bias search for the Truth.

Allah Almighty   Rabbi ʿ’Alamin (Lord of the Universe(s)) Allah is Ar-Rahman, - “The Most Gracious”, “The Compassionate”, or “The All-Merciful”. That mercy extends to all of His creatures—Muslim and non-Muslim, human and non-human.

Allah Almighty answers the prayers of a non-Muslim when they address Him directly without going through false gods to gain some worldly interests or avoid worldly harms, out of His All-Encompassing Mercy and Justice. Answering the prayers of a person does not necessarily mean that Allah loves this person or is pleased with him/her.

Qur’an

When danger threatens you at sea, you call upon Him, and forget all others you are wont to invoke. But when He brings you safe to land, you turn away from Him. Man is ever ungrateful verse 67 al-Isra’

He has given you some of everything for which you asked Him for. If you tried to count God's blessings, you could never do it. Human beings are most persistent in wrongdoing and in their rejection of the truth verse 34 Surah Ibrahim

Hadith

Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: “Beware of the supplication of the oppressed, even if he is an unbeliever, for there is nothing to veil it.”  Musnad Aḥmad 12549

“Not only Allah answers non-Muslim’s prayers but even if the non-Muslims didn't pray or forget to pray to Him, still Allah gives them air to breathe, sunshine, rain, moonlight, night time, day time, health, wealth and so forth.”

He is Rabbi ʿ’Alamin (Lord of the Universe(s) whether anyone accepts Him or not!  He provides them with Rizq and their humanly needs in this world. If they work hard and strive for better life, Allah Almighty Grants them that too.

In Hereafter, they will be asked for their unbelief in Him and He will deal with them by the rules He has set.

[Debate follower]

On 12/7/2021 at 8:08 AM, Zane Ibrahim said:

(By 'imams of Ahlul Sunnah', I mean Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman)

There are dozens and dozens of Du'as which have been left behind for us by the 12 Imams. Dua Kumayl, Dua Nudba, Dua Tawassul, Dua Ahd, As-Sahifa As-Sajjadiyya etc.

Where are the Du'as from Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman?

Hz. Abu Bakr, Hz. Umar, and Hz. Uthman (may Allah be pleased with them) did not see the need for creating new duas! They have magnificent, splendiferous, uplifting duas from the Blessed Qur’an where Allah Almighty Himself has given the duas to recite!

Moreover, the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had taught them hundreds of duas to recite for all occasions and needs.

Do you REALLY THINK there could be any duas better than above two sources? So why should those Noble Souls (Hz. Abu Bakr, Hz. Umar, and Hz. Uthman (may Allah be pleased with them) resort to alternatives duas is beyond me to understand.

Do you rate the Duas better than from above two sources?

I had look at Dua Kumayl – it is good as one beseeching Allah Almighty directly. Another dua from Shia sources which I like is Dua Al Jawshan Al Kabeer which you forgot mention. This too is beseeching Allah Almighty directly.

I too stick to those duas proscribed in the Blessed Qur’an and the Blessed Sunnah of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) – the best source for Duas! Do you agree?

On 12/7/2021 at 8:02 PM, Zane Ibrahim said:

Our Imams, especially Imam al-Baqir and Imam al-Sadiq, participated in many debates with Sunnis, atheists, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Polytheists, and more.

Which debates did Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman participate in?

These Noble Souls (Hz. Abu Bakr, Hz. Umar, and Hz. Uthman (may Allah be pleased with them) didn’t have the time for debating.  They were the closet companions of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and helped him in his Noble Mission.  After passing away of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) they made that the Noble message is spread far and wide.  Roman and Persian Empire were smashed and Islamic faith was introduced into those areas and beyond. Better than debating, right?

On 12/7/2021 at 8:02 PM, Zane Ibrahim said:

There are books which Sayyeda Fatima and our Imams have written which are unmatched even now, like Sahifa Alawiyya, Mushaf Fatima, As-Sahifa As-Sajjadiyya, Risalat al-Huquq, The Lantern of the Path, The Golden Dissertation etc.

As I said before these Noble Souls (Hz. Abu Bakr, Hz. Umar, and Hz. Uthman (may Allah be pleased with them) didn’t have the time for debating or writing books. Important matters on hand to spread the Noble Message far and wide. 

Nothing can compete or MATCH with the Quran – Word of Almighty and the Sayings of the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)

On 12/7/2021 at 8:02 PM, Zane Ibrahim said:

Our sixth Imam, Imam al-Sadiq, taught thousands and thousands of students in his school. Some of these are Khawarizmi, also known as The Father of Algebra, Jabir Ibn Hayyan, also known as The Father of Early Chemistry, Abu Hanifa, Malik Ibn Anas, and many, many more.

Who have Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman taught?

You just named three people as known students of Imam al-Sadiq (may Allah be pleased with him)

1) Jabir Ibn Hayyan, also known as The Father of Early Chemistry – great scientist, a pioneer in Chemistry. But he not known for Islamic scholarship.

 2) Abu Hanifa, 3) Malik Ibn Anas – These two are the most known and followed scholars in the Islamic World throughout the ages. They have the most followings in Fiqh.

4) and many, many more – Surprise, Surprise!!!!! You have NOT named one Shia scholar of repute who has studied at the feet of the great Noble Imam al-Sadiq (may Allah be pleased with him) as the sayings go – No there are none, if there were any you would have named them.  You may find some ‘invented’ names on the Net to fill in the blanks.

Sunnis consider Imam Jaffar al-Sadiq (may Allah be pleased with him) as a great Sunni Scholar of highest repute.

I am sure you must be knowing that Imam al-Sadiq (may Allah be pleased with him) is a great,great great grandson of Hz. Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) through his son Muhammad bin Abi Bakr (may Allah have mercy on him) whom Hz. Ali ibn Abu Talib (may Allah be pleased with him) brought up when he married Muhammad bin Abi Bakr’s mother – lady Asma bint Umais (may Allah be pleased with her).

 These Noble Souls (Hz. Abu Bakr, Hz. Umar, and Hz. Uthman (may Allah be pleased with them) did not have the need to teach anyone around!

All their companions were the Companions of Greatest Teacher of mankind ever born – the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

How can one teach the students of the Greatest Teacher!!!!!!! No need to teach those who have learnt from the BEST! Do you agree?

[Ashvazdanghe]

10 hours ago, Debate follower said:

All their companions were the Companions of Greatest Teacher of mankind ever born – the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

How can one teach the students of the Greatest Teacher!!!!!!! No need to teach those who have learnt from the BEST! Do you agree?

Salam this is completely  nonsense  because  prophet Muhammad (pbu) has not enough time to teach eveything to them also they have done many mistakes  even when prophet (pbu) has been alive between  them.

There is no doubt that both of Abubakr & Umar have little knowledge  about Islam because  they have done many mistakes & innovation  but you say that they don't  have enough time for making dua & teaching of people also both of them always have been dependant to Imam (Ali(عليه السلام) in every hard situation  which it's recorded in sunni sources which Umar said that even women have more knowledge  than me about Islam which also Umar said that Allah doesn't  leave me withoutassistance of [Imam]Ali. also prophet (pbu) said I'm city of knowledge  & Ali is it's door.

[Debate follower]

Salaam, I had vowed not to respond to your posts due to your constant rudeness.  This time I’ll make an exception.

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

this is completely  nonsense  because  prophet Muhammad (pbu) has not enough time to teach eveything to them

In fact, “completely nonsense” is from you!!!! Besides being rude, you are sneakily accusing the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) of having not completed his mission!  So, you must get this nonsense out of your head.

The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) DID have enough time, and he taught all that was to be taught.  He NEVER left anything out to be completed by others.  Is this what you have been by your Mullahs????!

Even Allah Almighty has attested completion of the Blessed Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon him) mission!

Today, I have perfected your religion for you, and have completed My blessing upon you, and chosen Islam as Dīn (religion and a way of life) for you. Verse 3 Al-Ma'idah

Rest of your post is just a rant, product of your ignobly bias mind-set resulting from what has been drummed into your mind.

Indeed, Hz Umar ibn Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) was corrected by a knowledge woman and he acknowledged it publicly.  This what great men do, giving credit when corrected.  Infallibility is ONLY for the Messengers of Allah Almighty.

He also acknowledged Hz. Ali ibn Abu Talib’s (may Allah be pleased with him) sagacious assistance in running the Khilafat. This what great men do, giving credit where it is due.

Indeed, it is in our hadith books that the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “I'm city of knowledge & Ali is it's door.” His life and conduct and sayings are a proof of this!

[PureExistence1]

On 12/6/2021 at 7:04 AM, Guest muslim007 said:

salam i hope you are all well.

i am in an unusual situation where i am stuck between sects right now. i am currently sunni but considering switching to shia islam. 

i’m just confused on how to know which sect is the right one, the hadith about 72 sects going to hell always worries me

also this seems so stupid but if Allah answers the duas of both sunni and shia muslims, can He not accept prayers/duas from both sides? why should there be just one right one?

As salaamun aleikum,

Our first guide is our aql. Using just your aql, which path seems to make most sense to you? If one path makes more sense, but for some reason you continue to follow the other, thats where you will run into problems and what you will be held accountable for-for willingly choosing the path that made the least sense when you knew better.

People whose rational minds reach an inferior conclusion yet always continue searching for a more correct path, are still wayfaring towards Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). Even after you choose a path, there will be journeying within that path that needs to be done. Our journey to Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) never ends, even after you've chosen a side, and even after choosing a side, you may run into ideas and actions that don't seem correct. Find the truth about those actions and if you cant, just omit it from your own personal practice. Ive had to do this myself.

Unfortunately, not everything you will come across will be 100% thanks to what humans gave concocted. Only Allahs (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is 100% and the Quran which hasnt been altered. (I am NOT advocating Quranism here as my conclusion is its not a viable path for many reasons. I just dont want my last sentence to mislead anyone.)

Anyhow, the foundation needs to be firm and correct, otherwise the building will be crooked and topple later. (In other words, if you accept something that doesn't make sense in the very beginning, it's possible you will accept more and more nonsense/incorrect conclusions as time goes on and end up switching at a later point anyway.)

Start with where your aql/rational mind leads you and you will in sha Allah obtain your goal quicker and more directly. Never quit searching for answers and make sure to take advantage of contact with scholars such as through the app "Ask Those Who Know", and when possible, through direct email as some scholars make themselves available that way as well...

As salaamun aleikum Rahmatullah.

[pseudonym]

Assalaamun Alaykum,

Prophet Musa((عليه السلام)) spent years, taught and showed many miracles to his nation, yet the vast majority of his ummah went astray.

The people that stayed true to their Prophet Musa's((عليه السلام).) message were those who stuck to the person they were ordered to. They stuck with Nabi Haroon((عليه السلام)) and they remained on guidance whilst the majority around them fell and were worshipping the golden calf having been deceived by the samiri.

Simply follow the Haroon((عليه السلام)) of this ummah i.e. Imam Ali((عليه السلام)) and you Insha'Allah will find your way.

Was Salaamu Alaykum

[Abu Nur]

8 hours ago, Debate follower said:

The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) DID have enough time, and he taught all that was to be taught.  He NEVER left anything out to be completed by others.  Is this what you have been by your Mullahs????!

Does it make any sense that all these closest companions knew everything what Prophet taught about Islam? That is what the brother is trying to imply. For example Ibn Abbas surely have more knowledge on tafsir of Quran than others closest companions. 

[Abu Nur]

8 hours ago, Debate follower said:

 

 

3 hours ago, PureExistence1 said:

As salaamun aleikum,

Our first guide is our aql. Using just your aql, which path seems to make most sense to you? If one path makes more sense, but for some reason you continue to follow the other, thats where you will run into problems and what you will be held accountable for-for willingly choosing the path that made the least sense when you knew better.

People whose rational minds reach an inferior conclusion yet always continue searching for a more correct path, are still wayfaring towards Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). Even after you choose a path, there will be journeying within that path that needs to be done. Our journey to Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) never ends, even after you've chosen a side, and even after choosing a side, you may run into ideas and actions that don't seem correct. Find the truth about those actions and if you cant, just omit it from your own personal practice. Ive had to do this myself.

Unfortunately, not everything you will come across will be 100% thanks to what humans gave concocted. Only Allahs (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is 100% and the Quran which hasnt been altered. (I am NOT advocating Quranism here as my conclusion is its not a viable path for many reasons. I just dont want my last sentence to mislead anyone.)

Anyhow, the foundation needs to be firm and correct, otherwise the building will be crooked and topple later. (In other words, if you accept something that doesn't make sense in the very beginning, it's possible you will accept more and more nonsense/incorrect conclusions as time goes on and end up switching at a later point anyway.)

Start with where your aql/rational mind leads you and you will in sha Allah obtain your goal quicker and more directly. Never quit searching for answers and make sure to take advantage of contact with scholars such as through the app "Ask Those Who Know", and when possible, through direct email as some scholars make themselves available that way as well...

As salaamun aleikum Rahmatullah.

Salaam Aleikum and jazakallah khayran, that was the best of the advice. You will realized that life is nothing but constant struggle from one station to another from ignorance to knowledge:

But We shall be sure to guide to Our ways those who strive hard for Our cause: God is with those who do good. 29:69

Edited February 2, 2022 by Abu Nur

[Abu Nur]

On 12/6/2021 at 5:04 PM, Guest muslim007 said:

salam i hope you are all well.

i am in an unusual situation where i am stuck between sects right now. i am currently sunni but considering switching to shia islam. 

i’m just confused on how to know which sect is the right one, the hadith about 72 sects going to hell always worries me

also this seems so stupid but if Allah answers the duas of both sunni and shia muslims, can He not accept prayers/duas from both sides? why should there be just one right one?

Wa Aleikum Salaam,

It means that one sect represents correct beliefs of Islam (at least the core beliefs) and the rest does not. If you come to know this sect by sincere and vast research and you found out it to be correct to such an extent that you will have certainty without any doubts and the reason can confirm it, then you must accept it, but if you don't, then you will be not be the saved one, because you reject what is truth by reason and certainty. 

But majority Muslims have not done such a research and most of them they follow the religion what they are born upon. They belong in all of these sects but because of their ignorance and lack of research, they have not received the correct knowledge and certainty such that they either accept it or reject it (One of the example how shaytan rejected the truth out of envy even when he knew it was the truth).

So for such majority of Muslims they can only have faith in Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and follow Quran and Sunnah and do the good deeds and they will be rewarded Jannah, even if they are Sunnis or Shias. 

Some may say that being ignorant is better then, well actually it is not because it is actually wajib for all of us to seek knowledge and find out the real sect. 

As for God accepting the prayers, it is mostly because of the sincerity of the heart and not which group you belong. God is Just. 

Edited February 2, 2022 by Abu Nur

[Ashvazdanghe]

13 hours ago, Debate follower said:

In fact, “completely nonsense” is from you!!!! Besides being rude, you are sneakily accusing the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) of having not completed his mission!  So, you must get this nonsense out of your head.

The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) DID have enough time, and he taught all that was to be taught.  He NEVER left anything out to be completed by others.  Is this what you have been by your Mullahs????!

Even Allah Almighty has attested completion of the Blessed Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon him) mission!

Today, I have perfected your religion for you, and have completed My blessing upon you, and chosen Islam as Dīn (religion and a way of life) for you. Verse 3 Al-Ma'idah

Salam you are comparing  apples with oranges because all Shias & Sunnis have agreed that prophet  has finished his mission but on the other hand we disagree with people likewise you that we consider that  his companions except  Amir al muminin Imam Ali(عليه السلام)  have not had full knowledge  & understanding from holy Quran which due to  hijacking  successorship of prophet Muhammad (pbu) by three caliphs & usurping right of Amir al muminin Imam Ali(عليه السلام) & low level of knowledge  of three caliphs from holy Quran & tradition  of prophet Muhammad (pbu) many innovations has been made by three caliphs which due that majority of Muslims have been misguided due to lack of knowledge  & innovations  of three caliphs which Amir al muminin Imam Ali(عليه السلام) has tried to fix their errors during his caliphate but because  of resistance  of gullible  people & supporting of cursed Muawiah (la) from innovations  & misguidance of three caliphs & martyrying  Amir al muminin Imam Ali(عليه السلام) by Khawarij  it leads to tragedy of Karbala  which martyrdom of Imam  Hussain (عليه السلام) has been  result of misguiding people  & spreading  innovation  by three caliph & supporting  cursed Muawiah (la) then Cursed  Yazi(la) from it .

13 hours ago, Debate follower said:

Indeed, Hz Umar ibn Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) was corrected by a knowledge woman and he acknowledged it publicly.  This what great men do, giving credit when corrected.  Infallibility is ONLY for the Messengers of Allah Almighty.

This is self declaration  of Umar ibn Khattab about his disqualification  from caliphate.

13 hours ago, Debate follower said:

He also acknowledged Hz. Ali ibn Abu Talib’s (may Allah be pleased with him) sagacious assistance in running the Khilafat. This what great men do, giving credit where it is due.

Indeed, it is in our hadith books that the Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “I'm city of knowledge & Ali is it's door.” His life and conduct and sayings are a proof of this!

This a proof for proving position  of Amir al muminin Imam Ali(عليه السلام)  as successor  & caliph after emise of prophet  Muhammad (pbu) because  he has had all qualifications for this position which even in middle of battle  of Siffin he could respond to any hard questions .

for more information  you can read it in following  link 

Ali: The Best of the Sahabah

Toyib Olawuyi

https://www.al-islam.org/ali-best-sahabah-toyib-olawuyi

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18 hours ago, Debate follower said:

The Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) DID have enough time, and he taught all that was to be taught.  He NEVER left anything out to be completed by others.  Is this what you have been by your Mullahs????!

Salam according  to you Umar the second caliph is one of our Mullahs

Abu Bakr b. Abi Shaybah – ‘Ali b. Mas-har – Abu Hayyan – al-Sha’bi – Ibn ‘Umar:

‘Umar delivered a sermon on the pulpit of the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him. He thanked Allah and praised him. Then he said, “Now, coming to the point: verily, there was revealed an order making alcohol haram on the day it was revealed. It is made from five things: wheat, barley, date, raisin and honey. Alcohol is anything which clouds the intellect. There are three matters, O people, that I wish the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, had explained to us: inheritance of the grandfather, kalalah and various types of riba (usury).2

Imam al-Hakim (d. 403 H) documents too

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One then wonders how ‘Umar handled questions and disputes regarding the inheritance of the grandfather, kalalah, usury and the khilafah that were brought to his court. He either relied upon his personal opinion – as in the case of tayammum – or rather guessed and gambled in his judgments. Another possibility was that he would refer those issues to superior jurists among the Sahabah, radhiyallah ‘anhum, for help. In all cases, his competency as even an ordinary judge falls into serious doubt. It gets really worse when one considers that ‘Umar was the sovereign judge, and that there was no right of appeal against his rulings and judgments.

Of the four subjects, ‘Umar had particular difficulty in grasping kalalah. He never understood it till his death. So, we will flash light upon it, as this situation reveals some more information about him. Imam Muslim records:https://www.al-islam.org/ali-best-sahabah-toyib-olawuyi/7-hadith-al-qadha-age-jungle-justice-iv

https://www.al-islam.org/ali-best-sahabah-toyib-olawuyi/7-hadith-al-qadha-age-jungle-justice-iv

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On 12/6/2021 at 7:04 AM, Guest muslim007 said:

salam i hope you are all well.

i am in an unusual situation where i am stuck between sects right now. i am currently sunni but considering switching to shia islam. 

i’m just confused on how to know which sect is the right one, the hadith about 72 sects going to hell always worries me

also this seems so stupid but if Allah answers the duas of both sunni and shia muslims, can He not accept prayers/duas from both sides? why should there be just one right one?

I like to add about the hadith of 73 sects and out of those 1 will be saved. Both Shia and Sunni have this hadith in their sources. If you like to see a explanation and research carried out on this,  The following  thread provides the details:

wasalam