The world needs women in leadership?

[root]

In some fields yes. I particularly am supportive of woman leadership in education and healthcare. 

[sunnism]

"Women are generally better leaders" 

Not at all. Most women prefer male bosses instead of female bosses. There are even studies on this. There is a reason why islam promotes patriarchy. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 4/7/2024 at 4:03 AM, sunnism said:

There is a reason why islam promotes patriarchy. 

Salam Shia Islam promotes accompanying parents with each other from best rule model of amir Al Muminin Imam Ali (عليه السلام) & lady Fatima (sa) which Wahabists & Salfis have fabricated narrations against them for propmotion of Umar & etc for promotion his toxic patriarchy.

[Irfani313]

World needs more supportive men so more and more women could excel in eduction (not necessarily careers), stay home and raise good, momin, solid humans, and once done with that, then join careers where they do it on a bigger scale. 

[123xo]

Women are wonderful marvellous beings, and they sure can lead and be leaders but to an extent.... due to our emotional nature we tend to be biased in our judgements and choices, we come to a solution based on our needs emotionally rather than logically and in leadership you need logic more than emotions to keep things going the right direction and giving everyone a fair go. 
 

I have dealt with a female manager and a male manager and oh boy the difference is incomparable when it came to their problem solving and leadership skills.  Men are born to be leaders and women are born to be nurturing and if we try to take each others roles and do opposite to what our true nature is this will lead to deformity in society as a whole.

I think it's beautiful how masculine energy is so different from the feminine energy yet we complete each other so perfectly. 

Edited April 8, 2024 by 123xo

[notme]

4 hours ago, 123xo said:

due to our emotional nature we tend to be biased in our judgements and choices, we come to a solution based on our needs emotionally rather than logically

Speak for yourself. This does not describe me at all.  Difference in logic vs emotion are greater between individuals than between genders. Culture may play a part in which is more developed, but there is no innate difference between men and women with regard to logical thinking and decision making.  

In my experience, human males and females are like lions and lionesses - males are useful when being big and scary is beneficial, but the women really carry most of the load.  

Edited April 8, 2024 by notme

[123xo]

30 minutes ago, notme said:

Speak for yourself. This does not describe me at all.  Difference in logic vs emotion are greater between individuals than between genders. Culture may play a part in which is more developed, but there is no innate difference between men and women with regard to logical thinking and decision making.  

In my experience, human males and females are like lions and lionesses - males are useful when being big and scary is beneficial, but the women really carry most of the load.  

And neither are you describing majourity of women too. So please speak for yourself and your experiences.
Perhaps you're one of a kind or one of the very few, maybe you had a tough life/upbringing that forced you to be in the middle of spectrum or even closer to one side than the other?

Regardless we can debate about this till tomorrow it wont change reality and nature, men and women are good at different things equally.
 

My femininity doesn't allow me to lead a man that's just weird, wrong and awkward, i enjoy being taken care of, protected and lead by a man, respectfully. 
 

xo

Edited April 8, 2024 by 123xo

[notme]

1 hour ago, 123xo said:

So please speak for yourself and your experiences

I am. All I'm asking is that you do too.  Don't generalize that everyone is exactly like you (or any one person) - how boring the world would be if that were the case! 

[123xo]

2 hours ago, notme said:

I am. All I'm asking is that you do too.  Don't generalize that everyone is exactly like you (or any one person) - how boring the world would be if that were the case! 

I pray that you come across a real man in your life.

Goodluck

xo

Edited April 9, 2024 by 123xo

[Guest anon]

9 hours ago, 123xo said:

due to our emotional nature we tend to be biased in our judgements and choices, we come to a solution based on our needs emotionally rather than logically and in leadership you need logic more than emotions to keep things going the right direction and giving everyone a fair go. 

Absolutely no source or evidence for this all, other than what people love to repeat and say. Men are emotional and let their emotions cloud their judgement all the time in the real world. 
 

And if you want to speak anecdotally, my female managers have always been better at managing than my male ones. They are more competent, more efficient and less condescending 

[Guest anon]

Also fyi, women have more empathy than men which doesn’t mean they’re emotionally ill equipped to be in leadership. Quite the opposite 

[notme]

3 hours ago, 123xo said:

I pray that you come across a real man in your life.

Child, I'm too old for that nonsense!

May you learn that the world is bigger and more interesting than you think.  

[123xo]

38 minutes ago, notme said:

Child, I'm too old for that nonsense!

May you learn that the world is bigger and more interesting than you think.  

Double the prayers for you xo

[123xo]

2 hours ago, Guest anon said:

Also fyi, women have more empathy than men which doesn’t mean they’re emotionally ill equipped to be in leadership. Quite the opposite 

I never said they were "ill equipped" i just said there were different. 

Also would be more interesting if you used your actual account to share your thoughts. Not sure why you're being emotional and concerned about your own point view sis for you to go anon ;)

[Guest anon]

3 hours ago, 123xo said:

I never said they were "ill equipped" i just said there were different. 

Also would be more interesting if you used your actual account to share your thoughts. Not sure why you're being emotional and concerned about your own point view sis for you to go anon ;)

I don’t have an account. I don’t care enough to make one, but when women like you are spouting typical internalised misogynistic comments I’ll post. 

If a woman disagrees with you or says something contrary to your beliefs she’s being emotional? Yeah, sounds about right. That’s genuinely how people view it.

[Guest anon]

3 hours ago, 123xo said:

ill equipped

No, you pretty much said they were emotionally ill-equipped. Apparently women use emotions to solve problems, while men use logic. 

[sunnism]

On 4/8/2024 at 10:26 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam Shia Islam promotes accompanying parents with each other from best rule model of amir Al Muminin Imam Ali (عليه السلام) & lady Fatima (sa) which Wahabists & Salfis have fabricated narrations against them for propmotion of Umar & etc for promotion his toxic patriarchy.

Still wife needs to obey her husband. That is patriarchy. 

[sunnism]

Women being more emotional isn't something which culture plays a factor in. It's basic biology. There is show called men vs women survival, where a group of men and a group of women both unexperienced on seperate islands and left them for a month or so. You can see which gender is more emotional. And that show did this twice with different people, so one cannot say it was mere coincidence. It is in YouTube. 

And don't forget most women prefer male bosses than female bosses. 

Edited April 9, 2024 by sunnism

[notme]

5 hours ago, sunnism said:

There is show

Ok that proves it. 

 

Sorry, I've spent my entire life not realizing that I'm a man. And most of the men I've met have been women!.  

 

How about cite real research, not entertainment, for your facts. 

[Irfani313]

On 4/8/2024 at 9:33 PM, 123xo said:

I pray that you come across a real man in your life.

Goodluck

xo

Some respect would go a long way. You can always make your point more forcefully by being more respectful. 

Edited April 10, 2024 by Irfani313

[123xo]

28 minutes ago, Irfani313 said:

Some respect would go a long way. You can always make your point more forcefully by being more respectful. 

I will try, no promises

xox

[SO SOLID SHIA]

[hawdini]

3 hours ago, Irfani313 said:

Some respect would go a long way. You can always make your point more forcefully by being more respectful. 

Maybe you can also address the other women who addressed her pretty harshly while they also dont have any evidence to support what they say.

I think first its important to know what emotions actually are. I would urge anyone who reads this to research emotions and learn what they are and what impact supressing emotions has on a person and how you can actually feel your emotions and let them go. Emotions like thoughts are meant to be let go and they dont give you any information about your reality.

So having said this, there is no evidence to show that men have less emotions than women. Men have been conditioned to supress/control their emotions. While controlling your emotions is a good thing, suppressing them is definitely not. Women are allowed to express their emotions more freely and can learn just like men to control their emotions. 

And yes a womans brain might be wired differently than a mans brain and make her maybe better at some things like empathy but science is not so sure about this.

What we can say is that women have less testosteron and her hormones fluctuate throughout the month which makes her more susceptible to fluctuations in her mood and energy levels. Since men dont have this and testosteron pushes them to work hard and get things done and they dont get tired easily. This would make them better leaders maybe in the work field. 

[123xo]

On 4/9/2024 at 6:54 PM, Guest anon said:

when women like you are spouting typical internalised misogynistic comments I’ll post. 

I'm misogynistic for saying women are more emotional? Do you even know what misogyny is ????!? Sit down please.

What's wrong with emotions ???! If anything you're making it seem like having emotions and expressing our emotions is "ill equipped" as you call it lolll 

On 4/9/2024 at 6:54 PM, Guest anon said:

If a woman disagrees with you or says something contrary to your beliefs she’s being emotional? 

In your case I'd add angry too 

xo

 

Edited April 10, 2024 by 123xo

[123xo]

3 hours ago, hawdini said:

Maybe you can also address the other women who addressed her pretty harshly while they also dont have any evidence to support what they say.

It's okie sis, he's probably scared from directing that to a blue tag, man's doesn't wanna get suspended or banned 

[notme]

12 hours ago, 123xo said:

It's okie sis, he's probably scared from directing that to a blue tag, man's doesn't wanna get suspended or banned 

If I've said anything that hurt you, please point it out to me so I can avoid future offense. I sincerely apologize. It has never been my intention to hurt the feelings of anyone. I simply meant to disagree with you, not to make you feel attacked. 

[123xo]

17 hours ago, notme said:

If I've said anything that hurt you, please point it out to me so I can avoid future offense. I sincerely apologize. It has never been my intention to hurt the feelings of anyone. I simply meant to disagree with you, not to make you feel attacked. 

All good, i didn't take it personal at all. I enjoy genuine discussions and knowing more about opinions that are different to mine. 

Goodluck

xo

[Shian e Ali]

Men and women are different, but can they both be leaders? Of course! In some fields, women excel far more than men, while in others, men excel more. Then there are fields where both excel.

 

Women are not weak, physically or mentally, it varies from woman to woman, neither are all women kind or nurturing. Similarly, not all men are big and strong, or loud and assertive. These are all stereotypes. 

 

I've worked under men and women both. I hated working under women, because in that school setting, they were all very toxic. When I shifted to an office setting and worked under a man, it felt like a relief, not because I was working under a man, but because the office setting and rules made sure he didn't get the chance to be toxic. 

[SO SOLID SHIA]

1 hour ago, Shian e Ali said:

In some fields, women excel far more than men

definitely agree. Cognitive dissonance is one of them! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!!!!!!!

[Ahmad8888]

These kind of articles, especially WEF and these kind of orgs always ignore the women such as hillary clinton, kamala harris, rachel maddow, ursula von der leyen, etc... who are all far more ruthless, reckless and arrogant than a lot of male politicians/leaders serving now. Hillary clinton for instance is extremely psychotic and caused the deaths of millions. This is why I don't like these articles/stats, they attempt to push their feminist narratives, but instead of pushing some egalitarian argument which would be expected from femenists, they instead use some examples of "women are better than men at being leaders, economists, etc... because of said reason we think is proof" to push something that would be seen as sexist if a man was to make a similar argument about male leaders and tell us how men are better than women. 

 

I for example can find many stats too that show women being more ruthless, violent and tyrannical than male leaders, If I remeber one stat that analysed almost 200 rulers, showed queens were 27% more likely to start wars than kings, from 1480 to 1913 and people might say "back in the day people wanted queens dead", I have news, so were kings, princes, princesses, etc... Look at the 12 immams (عليه السلام), we should know this stuff.

I also remeber seeing many statistics of women being less competent in situations of stress and pressure wether it be in the army, factory work, etc... The studies on how women and men respond under pressure seemed to be mixed as in it's inconclusive at this time. Probably due to studies being limited.

Point is there is a lot of factors that are not accounted for in these studies for them to be conclusive in anyway, wether they're biased towards men or women, one example is what if the women in your study happen to be better than the men because of survivors bias, but if we had as much female leaders than men, they might be worse or the same? Even you yourself admit you don't know why these differences are a thing in your studies.

This is why I think it's unwise to use these opinion pieces or limited statistics(without looking at all factors) as some sort of proof, they should be seen as something intresting, but ultimately we should see what islam has to say on that matter and from what I've seen it doesn't seem to be the case that women are allowed to be leaders of a nation. Doesn't make them inferior though, women excel on things more than men. 

Edited April 18, 2024 by Ahmad8888

[Ahmad8888]

I edited my comment in case you responded without seeing the edit. Sorry about that if you already wrote your reply.

Edited April 18, 2024 by Ahmad8888

[Azadeh307]

On 4/9/2024 at 11:31 PM, hawdini said:

Men have been conditioned to supress/control their emotions. While controlling your emotions is a good thing, suppressing them is definitely not. Women are allowed to express their emotions more freely and can learn just like men to control their emotions. 

I agree that men do not necessarily have less emotions than women. There are 2 mistakes when it comes to emotions. The first mistake is 1) Acting Out. Acting Out is when a person expresses their emotions without reflecting on their emotions. Reflection according to the RULER strategy for emotional regulation is to notice how the emotions show in vocal tone, facial expression, and body language, what the triggers and context for the emotions are, what the label for the emotion is, and what the impact of expressing the emotion (on self and others) and intent for expressing the emotion is. The second mistake is 2) Suppression. Suppression is a mistake because it leads to a build up on inner tension, which can lead to emotional outbursts or the person shuts down or gets physically sick. 

I don't have any data to back this up but my guess would be women are more prone to the first mistake and men more prone to the second mistake. 

 

Edited April 18, 2024 by Azadeh307

[sunnism]

On 4/10/2024 at 1:42 AM, notme said:

Ok that proves it. 

 

Sorry, I've spent my entire life not realizing that I'm a man. And most of the men I've met have been women!.  

 

How about cite real research, not entertainment, for your facts. 

I just have you. Research have been done that women prefer male bosses more than female bosses. Go look why those women prefer male bosses. And that isn't just a scripted show. It was a reality show which was done twice. It's you who always say 'I saw men do this so women are better leaders' without any evidence. There is another evidence that transgenders who go male to female by taking estrogen become more emotional and transgenders who go female to male by taking testosterone become less emotional. 

[Ahmad8888]

2 hours ago, sunnism said:

I just have you. Research have been done that women prefer male bosses more than female bosses. Go look why those women prefer male bosses. And that isn't just a scripted show. It was a reality show which was done twice. It's you who always say 'I saw men do this so women are better leaders' without any evidence. There is another evidence that transgenders who go male to female by taking estrogen become more emotional and transgenders who go female to male by taking testosterone become less emotional. 

Both of you should stop with these nonsensical studies, most of the studies on this have been inconclusive, wether with limited sample size or just not enough variables. We should stick to the quran and ahlul bayt to see what is the ruling and not make the same mistake as the muslims who say "this scientific theory proves islam is true, quran talks about black holes ". 

 

These studies can be intresting and might convince us that islam might be advocating for the position you're convinced is good, but ultimately you need to rely on quran and ahlul bayt.

Edited April 19, 2024 by Ahmad8888

[EiE]

No, the world doesn't need more women in leadership.

The world needs more dedicated women who support their husbands and children while their husbands are in positions of leadership.