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It's hard to tell the difference between them considering what US has done since it was established as a country. Perhaps Alternative Party like The Green, is more preferred from my opinion.

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11 hours ago, Lion of Shia said:

Do Shias support the american democratic party

Salam we support an party that will be more beneficial  for Shias which we have not duty bounded to support  a certain  party which it has been proven that any party in America  has both of anti Islam especially  anti Shia agenda  although  they have few muslim members but because  of their anti Islam basis in their foundation  & their struggle with Iran all parties see Shias as a  potential  allies of Iran & a treat for America  so therefore we must use any party in favor of Shias without  supporting any party.

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Appalling how muslims are aligning themselves with the LGBTQ atheists who claims there are 200 genders, all just because they get a hard on for anti-semitic hatred for Israel. I mean, yes, Israel is just as bad as Hamas is. Both sides of the conflict sucks. But when muslims in the west base their votes and political alignments upon who hates Israel more, it shows just how ignorant and racist muslims in the west are. This doesn't have anything to do with sunni or shia. Both are equally ignorant in their pathological and obsessive anti-semitism. They throw themselves at any anti-israel communist the same way groupie girls throw themselves at boy bands

Muslims in the west sells out their priniciples and their religion just because of their imaginary fight against the zionist boogeyman, in the same way Don Quixote fought furiously against windmills

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15 hours ago, Dubilex said:

Appalling how muslims are aligning themselves with the LGBTQ atheists who claims there are 200 genders, all just because they get a hard on for anti-semitic hatred for Israel. I mean, yes, Israel is just as bad as Hamas is. Both sides of the conflict sucks. But when muslims in the west base their votes and political alignments upon who hates Israel more, it shows just how ignorant and racist muslims in the west are. This doesn't have anything to do with sunni or shia. Both are equally ignorant in their pathological and obsessive anti-semitism. They throw themselves at any anti-israel communist the same way groupie girls throw themselves at boy bands

Muslims in the west sells out their priniciples and their religion just because of their imaginary fight against the zionist boogeyman, in the same way Don Quixote fought furiously against windmills

I think this is where the problem lies. The entire religion gets blamed because of the actions of the governments and the extremists. The ways the leaders speak and the language they use.

E.g. Shouting Death to Israel, people think Jews are responsible for crimes of Israel and what do they did/do to Palestine. Even there are good Jews even in Israel that refuse to do military service because of what military is doing. Israel does NOT represent all Jews.

However when Saudi commits crimes against humanity (e.g. terrorism, oppression against shia/minorities and war against Yemen).  You never hear the Muslims leaders saying death to Saudi but when terror is committed by "Muslims" we say those are not Muslims, they don't represent islam. Saudi does NOT represent all Muslims even thought Makkah is in Saudi.

This whole death to this country and to that country should be stopped. Maybe something we are might be of different religions but we have more obligation to fight against oppression etc something like promotes peace and unity.

 

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44 minutes ago, Meedy said:

However when Saudi commits crimes against humanity (e.g. terrorism, oppression against shia/minorities and war against Yemen).  You never hear the Muslims leaders saying death to Saudi but when terror is committed by "Muslims" we say those are not Muslims, they don't represent islam. Saudi does NOT represent all Muslims even thought Makkah is in Saudi.

This whole death to this country and to that country should be stopped. Maybe something we are might be of different religions but we have more obligation to fight against oppression etc something like promotes peace and unity

Salam at least we say "death to Saud family" in Iran for fighting with their oppression at lowest level because currently we can't wage war against KSA due to multiple reasons  also fighting with oppression has wide range meaning which can be from lowest level likewise saying death to Israel & etc to highest level which is waging war against oppressor .

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E.g. Shouting Death to Israel, people think Jews are responsible for crimes of Israel and what do they did/do to Palestine. Even there are good Jews even in Israel that refuse to do military service because of what military is doing. Israel does NOT represent all Jews.

many people have been present in army of Yazid who were refused to do military service likewise people who have worked as cooks or smith men & etc but because of helping Yazid's army & not supporting Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) so therefore ,they have cursed in Ziarat Ashura which they have desereved hell nevertheless they just have been indifferent about struggle between Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) & cursed Yazid (la) likewise Jews in Israel which  although they are against crimes of Israel but because Zionist are benefiting from their residency in occupied Palestine as an excuse for justification of their crimes in name of protecting them against enemies so therefore they have their share in Zionist crimes although they don't agree with it.

17 hours ago, Dubilex said:

it shows just how ignorant and racist muslims in the west are. This doesn't have anything to do with sunni or shia. Both are equally ignorant in their pathological and obsessive anti-semitism. They throw themselves at any anti-israel communist the same way groupie girls throw themselves at boy bands

Muslims in the west sells out their priniciples and their religion just because of their imaginary fight against the zionist boogeyman, in the same way Don Quixote fought furiously against windmills

It just shows your ignorace & so called muslim whether Shia or Sunni who are trying to represent real fighting with Irsrael as anti semitism & an imaginary fight .

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37 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

It just shows your ignorace & so called muslim whether Shia or Sunni who are trying to represent real fighting with Irsrael as anti semitism & an imaginary fight .

 

Nah, it shows your ignorance when all you care about is Israel and Palestine and nothing else. It is people like you who sell out Islam to the cheapest bidder

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4 minutes ago, Dubilex said:

It is people like you who sell out Islam to the cheapest bidder

It's UAE & KSA & people who have endorsed these countries for normalzation with Israel which they have sold out Islam to cheapest bidder aka Israel.

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1 hour ago, Meedy said:

I think this is where the problem lies. The entire religion gets blamed because of the actions of the governments and the extremists. The ways the leaders speak and the language they use.

E.g. Shouting Death to Israel, people think Jews are responsible for crimes of Israel and what do they did/do to Palestine. Even there are good Jews even in Israel that refuse to do military service because of what military is doing. Israel does NOT represent all Jews.

However when Saudi commits crimes against humanity (e.g. terrorism, oppression against shia/minorities and war against Yemen).  You never hear the Muslims leaders saying death to Saudi but when terror is committed by "Muslims" we say those are not Muslims, they don't represent islam. Saudi does NOT represent all Muslims even thought Makkah is in Saudi.

This whole death to this country and to that country should be stopped. Maybe something we are might be of different religions but we have more obligation to fight against oppression etc something like promotes peace and unity.

 

 

The thing is, at it's core, the Israel-Palestine conflict is an ethnic conflict between Israeli jews and Palestinian arabs over land. It has nothing to do with religion. Both sides are [Edited Out]s. If it was up to me, the Holy Land would be under some kind of neutral administration.

In almost all palestinian demonstrations, they all shout the arabic slogan "Khaybar khaybar ya yahud!", and when speaking english, they try to show themselves as moderate. But it's a whole different story when they speak arabic though. Then the same "moderate" muslims talk about how in some phony hadiths, the jews will hide behind trees, but the trees will curse them etc.

The thing is, until muslims look themselves in the mirror and admit that there is widespread anti-semitism and racism among them, Saying "death to Israel" and "Death to jews" aren't just a few bad apples. Many normal muslims talks in casual conversations about how they wanna slaughter jews and rape their females. Especially in my community. Hell, there are even female muslims who would support their husbands and brothers raping jews. But nah, everything is the fault of the zionists

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9 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

It's UAE & KSA & people who have endorsed these countries for normalzation with Israel which they have sold out Islam to cheapest bidder aka Israel.

 

No man, it's ignorant neo-marxist "resistance" people like you who sells out Islam to the cheapest bidder. One minute, you cry baby tears over Palestine. And the next minute, you support government forces in Iran and Iraq murdering and mowing down innocent protesters. Who supports Hezbollah hijacking Lebanon, who supports Houthis murdering innocent people.

 

The "Resistance" Axis should instead be called the Oppressors Axis 

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1 minute ago, Dubilex said:

It's people like you who supports Hezbollah hijacking Lebanon, who supports Houthis murdering innocent people.

It's enough evidence that how much you have been brainwashed by Zionist-Wahabi media .

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3 minutes ago, Dubilex said:

. And the next minute, you support government forces in Iran and Iraq murdering and mowing down innocent protesters.

Anonther evidence of youer brainwashing by Zionist-Wahabi media.

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Looks like my intention of identifying fault and perhaps find a way of getting along or achieving peace was lost in translation or my wording went completely wrong. Perhaps I was wrong.

I think i ended up changing the topic into a conflicting topic. 

I apologize. Please lets end the topic in a peaceful way. We all have different opinions and thoughts ☹ .

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5 minutes ago, Dubilex said:

It's enough evidence how you've been brainwashed by Iranian propaganda

You have repeated your nonsense multiple times in previous threads about Israel which your support from enemies of Islam especially Israel & propogating their propaganda against Iran & Hizbullah & Yemenis by you is undeniable.

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1 hour ago, Dubilex said:

 

The thing is, at it's core, the Israel-Palestine conflict is an ethnic conflict between Israeli jews and Palestinian arabs over land. It has nothing to do with religion. Both sides are [Edited Out]s. If it was up to me, the Holy Land would be under some kind of neutral administration.

In almost all palestinian demonstrations, they all shout the arabic slogan "Khaybar khaybar ya yahud!", and when speaking english, they try to show themselves as moderate. But it's a whole different story when they speak arabic though. Then the same "moderate" muslims talk about how in some phony hadiths, the jews will hide behind trees, but the trees will curse them etc.

The thing is, until muslims look themselves in the mirror and admit that there is widespread anti-semitism and racism among them, Saying "death to Israel" and "Death to jews" aren't just a few bad apples. Many normal muslims talks in casual conversations about how they wanna slaughter jews and rape their females. Especially in my community. Hell, there are even female muslims who would support their husbands and brothers raping jews. But nah, everything is the fault of the zionists

Not entirely true. There is an ethnic component to it, and yes, it has nothing to do with religion. The source of the conflict is over Haqq (rights, truth, justice). If you own a piece of land, or a house, and have a legal document issued by the government that shows this ownership, noone is entitled to take this land or this house away from you, as long as you stay within the terms of your agreement with the government who issued you the ownership document (you pay your taxes, don't use the land for illegal purposes, like the manufacturer of illegal drugs, don't violate zoning ordinances, etc). 

If this land, or this house is taken away from you and given to someone else, while you are not in violation of the terms of your ownership, this is Thulm (Injustice) and a violation of Haqq. The Israeli government has been doing this for more than 80 years now, with the full support of the 'International Community' , meaning the US, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and the UK. So all these countries are responsible for this ongoing act of Injustice that is happening and will continue to happen in the future unless the people of those countries, especially the Muslims who live in those countries (Since the majority of the Palestinians are their brothers and sisters in Islam) speak up and speak out against this act of Injustice and force their governments to withdrawal their support for this act of injustice. This is the root of the issue. 

When people say it is a religious conflict,, this is just a red herring to confuse naive people about what the real issue is. If the Israeli government was controlled by muslims and not jews, and they were continuing this policy, it wouldn't change anything as far a our responsibilities for speaking up and acting out, in any way we can, against this act. It is the secular, Zionists who call themselves 'jews', ie follower of Prophet Musa((عليه السلام)), and the secular Zionists who call themselves followers of Prophet Isa((عليه السلام)), i.e. the Evangelical Leadership in the US, who are pushing forward this policy at the present time, but this could change in the future, and it doesn't really matter who is doing it, just that it is happening. 

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I think it is interesting that now that Biden is in power, there has been no effort to reestablish the Iran nuclear deal. He hasn't even made any indication he wants to improve relations with that country. Quite honestly, Shia Muslims are an after-thought to Democrats.

The Democratic Party, as others here have pointed out, is militantly Zionist, despite a few on the far left calling for sanctions against Israel. 75% of Biden's cabinet consists of Jews, most of whom are huge supporters of Israel. 

But the Republicans are also problematic. They tend to be in two groups:

1. Neconservatives: hardcore interventionists, many are Zionists, globalists and internationalists, Protestant Christian, suspicious of Muslims, anti-Iran, and big spenders.

2. Paleoconservatives / traditionalists: non-interventionist, somewhat critical of Israel, tend not to be overtly religious, ambivalent towards Muslims and the Middle-East, fiscally conservative. 

There really isn't a "good choice" among any of these for your average Shia Muslim. But I will say that the social policy of the Democrats, and the left in general, is just awful: LBGTQ promotion, transgenderism, atheism, Marxism, irrationalism, and other nonsense abounds. Never let these people fool you into thinking they are your friend or that they support your community--they don't. They have a very clear objective, and that involves eradicating religion altogether, obedience to the State, abolishing gender, etc.

 

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On 11/14/2021 at 10:14 PM, Lion of Shia said:

Do Shias support the american democratic party, like are there many democratic shias? Do Shia them as  supporter of their issues? What do Shias think?

Bismehe Ta3ala

Assalam Alikum 

Absolutely not.

Stay independent.  Do not donate your money to either party.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN ALLAH 

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I support The People's Party. 

https://peoplesparty.org/

I'm an officer in it at state level, but as soon as they violate their oath to never take a corporate dime, they will lose my support. 

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On 11/22/2021 at 1:26 PM, Abu Hadi said:

Not entirely true. There is an ethnic component to it, and yes, it has nothing to do with religion.

This is not entirely accurate, especially in a region in which church and state are historically one and the same. Orthodox Jews share similar views of non-Jews to those that orthodox Muslims hold toward non-Muslims. Both sides hold that other communities of faith should be economically and socially subordinated to that of the “one true faith.” Furthermore, race/ethnicity and religion are intertwined, not distinct. The Israeli elite consists primarily of Ashkenazi rather than Sephardic Jews, and looks down upon Sephardim and other non-Ashkenazim.

Evangelical Protestants in the West support Israel for racial as much as religious reasons, viewing the Palestinians—even Palestinian Christians—as nonwhite as well as non-Protestant. Furthermore, the Palestinian Christians, while often anti-Zionist, tend to belong to Eastern Orthodoxy rather than Latinate Christendom, so Western Catholics as well as Protestants tend to oppose them for sectarian reasons. In the case of Syria, the Catholic Maronite elite in Lebanon sided with the Western Protestants and Catholics in joining forces with the Zionists and Wahhabi–Salafi powers against Orthodox Christians. The Orthodox Christians, in turn, sided with their traditional Russian patrons as well as the secularist Assad and received protection by Hezbollah and the IRGC’s General Soleimani.

Western Christians, even on a subconscious level, are separated from their Eastern brethren by civilisational (Latin vs. Greek), cultural (Atlantic vs. Mediterranean), and racial (Caucasian vs. Semitic) as well as sectarian (schismatic) fault-lines that have endured for millennia. This also helps explain why conservative Western Christians have been unable to unite with like-minded traditionalists from other communities of faith, even Abrahamic, be they of the Jewish, Muslim, or Eastern Christian confessions. The various sects hate and/or distrust one another more than they oppose liberalism, secularism, or even atheism.

Case in point: during the Russian Revolution and Civil War (1917–21) the Catholic Church, animated by its historical animus vs. Russian Orthodoxy, actually sided with the Bolsheviks for a period of time, because the Leninists at the time were opposing the traditional dominance of the Russian Orthodox Church, so instead of opposing the “godless Communists” Rome forged a temporary, tactical alliance with them vs. Orthodoxy.

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It is worth noting as an aside, again, that often those most vocal against Muslims are those in Christendom who most share their family and social values, if less intensely in practise.

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For most of European history after the dawn of Islam, Prophet Muhammad has been demonized by Christian scholars, including the famous reformer Martin Luther, for example. This has not been because a critical understanding of the Prophet’s life was achieved by European intellectuals – for the most part, they didn’t even try.

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Northwest:

 

you write "Case in point: during the Russian Revolution and Civil War (1917–21) the Catholic Church, animated by its historical animus vs. Russian Orthodoxy, actually sided with the Bolsheviks for a period of time, because the Leninists at the time were opposing the traditional dominance of the Russian Orthodox Church, so instead of opposing the “godless Communists” Rome forged a temporary, tactical alliance with them vs. Orthodoxy."

I have never heard that, although I don't necessarily doubt it. Do you have any references or citations for it? I would like to look into it. 

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Northwest:

you write "Case in point: during the Russian Revolution and Civil War (1917–21) the Catholic Church, animated by its historical animus vs. Russian Orthodoxy, actually sided with the Bolsheviks for a period of time, because the Leninists at the time were opposing the traditional dominance of the Russian Orthodox Church, so instead of opposing the “godless Communists” Rome forged a temporary, tactical alliance with them vs. Orthodoxy."

I have never heard that, although I don't necessarily doubt it. Do you have any references or citations for it? I would like to look into it. 

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Indeed, when the Czar was overthrown in February 1917, many Eastern Rite Catholics saw a brighter future in Russia, free from subordination to Russian Orthodoxy. Even after the militantly anti-religious Bolsheviks took power later that year, sharply curbing religious freedom, church leaders in both Russia and Rome tried to reach an accommodation with the new leaders. The Bolsheviks, in turn, hoped to gain international standing by obtaining Vatican recognition.

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Nonetheless, Pope Pius X (who was canonized in 1954) pronounced on the very eve of World War I, "Russia is the greatest enemy Of the [Roman] Church." [16] Therefore it is not surprising that the Roman Catholic world greeted the Bolshevik Revolution with joy. 'After the Jews the Catholics did probably more than anyone else to organize the overthrow of tsarist power. At least they did nothing to stop it." [17] Shamelessly and with great candidness they wrote in Rome as soon as the Bolshevik "victory" became evident: "there had been uncontainable pleasure over the fall of the tsarist government and that Rome did not waste and time in entering into negotiations with the Soviet Government." [18] ... This Machiavellian scheme was the appearance of the so-called "Eastern Rite," which its defenders understood as "the bridge by which Rome will enter Russia," to quote an apt expression of K.N. Nikolayev. [20] This treacherous plot, which can be likened to a ship sailing under a false flag, had very quick success in the first years after the establishment of Soviet power. ... In Russia the experiment with the "Eastern Rite" lasted more than ten years. ... The heart and soul of the papal "Ostpolitik," its eastern politics, was a Jesuit, the French Bishop D'Erbigny, who was specially authorized by the pope to conduct negotiations with the Kremlin for a wide dissemination of Roman Catholicism in the Soviet Union and by the same token the supplantation of Orthodoxy in Russia and in Russian souls.

With this in mind, D'Erbigny traveled three times to the Soviet Union on a French diplomatic passport. He consecrated several Roman Catholic hierarchs with the aim of building up a group of Russian Catholic clergymen who would be acceptable to the Soviet authorities. Let us listen to the limits of open amorality that these clerics were capable of- "Bolshevism is liquidating priests, desecrating churches and holy sites, and destroying monasteries. Is this not where the religious mission of irreligious Bolshevism lies, in the disappearance of the carriers of schismatic thought, as it were setting a "clean table" tabula rasa) which gives us the possibility of spiritual recreation?' [21] For those to whom it is not clear just what kind of spiritual reconstruction the Benedictine monk Chrysostom Bayer is referring to, his thoughts can be amplified by the official Viennese Catholic journal, Bayrisher Kunier: "Bolshevism is creating the possibility for the conversion of stagnant Russia to Catholicism." [22]

No one less than the exarch of the Russian Catholics, Leonid Feodorov, who, when tried in March of 1923 along with fourteen other clergymen and one layman, pathetically testified to the sincerity of his feelings in relation to the Soviet authorities, who, Feodorov thought later, did not fully understand what could be expected of Roman Catholicism. He explained, "From the time that I gave myself to the Roman Catholic Church, my cherished dream was to reconcile my homeland with this church, which for me is the only true one. But we were not understood by the government. All Latin Catholics heaved a sigh of relief when the October Revolution took place ... I myself greeted with enthusiasm the decree about the separation of Church and State ... Only under Soviet rule, when the Church and State were separated, could we breathe freely. As a religious believer, I saw in" [23] this liberation the hand of God. Let us not lose sight of the fact that all of these declarations by Roman Catholics, who were quite friendly with the Soviets, were pronounced in a nightmarish period when the Soviets were trying to eradicate the Orthodox Church. Keeping in mind that Vatican diplomacy adheres to the principle that the end justifies the means, which is illustrated throughout its many-centuried history, the game which the Vatican has been playing with Moscow should be clearly understood. The essence of the matter is that Russia has become a sacrifice to two principles hostile to it, Catholicism and godless communism, which are drawn together by a curious concurrence of interests. Moscow realizes that the eradication of faith from the Russian soul is a hopeless task. [24] ...

The People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs told the German ambassador, "Pius XI was amiable to me in Genoa, expressing hope that we [the Bolsheviks] would break the monopoly of the Orthodox Church in Russia, thus clearing a path for him." ... A secret telegram No. 266 of February 6, 1925 from Berlin, stated that the Soviet ambassador, Krestinsky, told Cardinal Pacelli (the future Pius XII) that Moscow would not oppose the existence of Roman Catholic bishops and a metropolitan on Russian territory. Furthermore, the Roman clergy were offered the very best conditions. ... Only at the end of 1929 and the beginning of 1930 did the Vatican finally admit that it had suffered a political defeat and began to condemn vociferously the Bolshevik crimes.

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Supporting a western political party is according to me just a waste of time in particular in USA.

Both democrats and republicans are imperialists in nature. 

Also democrats support many things we are completely against like "same sex marriage", abortion, gender theories etc.

If we except foreign policies, republicans are in some way closer to our views than democrats.

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The Democrats’ support for open borders is a political weapon to undermine Muslim societies such as those of Syria and Iran by drawing their educated and qualified strata to the U.S. Open borders represent a form of bribery designed to weaken the ability of America’s rivals and foes to resist, as an open immigration policy is combined with the prospect of financial benefits to attract Syrians, Iranians, and so on to the U.S. At the same time, the Democrats maintain full-spectrum warfare against the targeted Muslim societies, including sanctions, assassinations, propaganda, bioweapons, terrorism, and so on. Therefore, by banning Syrians and Iranians from the U.S., the Trump administration actually strengthened the ability of Syria and Iran to resist Western and Israeli pressure, by forcing highly trained specialists to serve and defend their native societies from external pressure rather than flee to the U.S. Deserting one’s society in time of need and defecting to the enemy’s side in return for a comfortable existence is typically considered treasonous. Additionally, most “refugees” are actually from countries other than those of their stated origin, and often are linked to narcotics, illicit arms trade, organ trafficking, sexual slavery, and so on. That is why many informed people support Trump’s approach vs. that of the globalist Democrats and Establishment Republicans.

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