Aisha, Marriageable Age, Age of Majority and Age of Consent in Islam

[Eddie Mecca]

The notion of marriage (or engaging in sexual activity) when one reaches the age of eighteen is a recently new phenomenon—age of consent (for marriage) was raised to 18 years old (for males) and 16 years old (for females) in 1830 and didn't catch on as a popular trend until about a hundred years later—since the dawn of time, indigenous societies used age of majority (onset of puberty or beginning of menstrual cycle)—this is the natural way since time immemorial—this is the way of the Amish and Mennonites, this is the way of the Australian Aborigine, this is the way of the American Indian, this is the way of the black African and the way of Europeans prior to the beginning of modernity—minimum marriageable age was 11 years for females and 13 years for males under English civil law until 1753—in the state of Delaware, age of consent was 10 years until 1871 when it was lowered to 7 years—in 1880, 37 US states set the age of consent at 10 years, 10 states set an age of consent at 12 years—in other words, marriageable age and age of consent fluidly varies from place and time—in 2021, in Alaska marriageable age for a young woman is 11 years (with parental consent and approval from judicial authorities)—Japan is a traditional society but because of cultural pressure from the US it raised its marriageable age from 13 (lowest of any "developed country") to 16 in 2016—now the Japanese have raised the bar yet again (from 16 years to 18 years) in 2021 making them fully civilized (sarcasm)—in Iran, marriageable age is 10 lunar years for a girl/young woman and 15 lunar years for a boy/ young man.

Edited October 30, 2021 by Eddie Mecca

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[Eddie Mecca]

From a post-apocalyptical point of view somewhere between 66 - 80% of the world's population will be wiped out after Malḥamat Al-Kubrā and life expectancy will be lowered like it was during the Middle Ages due to radiation sickness and other factors—populating the planet will become a priority once again.

[Eddie Mecca]

Also, measuring Islamic morays against contemporary norms is a false dichotomy because it presupposes the superiority of modernism, pop culture etc.—Islam is then forced to measure up to arbitrary models—said models are manmade, false and in a state of perpetual flux—traditional values served as an anchoring mechanism for millennia—it provided order and stability—battle between modernists and traditionalists took place in America and the modernists (needless to say) won—the cultural war is now being exported abroad for global consumption—so-called Third World has been particularly effected—Prohibition repelled and overturned, old-time religion facing off against modern science, LBGT "equality" rights being normalized, conventional model of marriage under attack, manipulative technological road mapping, corporations preempting and sculpting popular public opinion etc.

[Eddie Mecca]

I find Shamsi to be annoying and irritating but he brought up some very good points here against Bob The Builder

 

[Patient Warrior]

3 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

I find Shamsi to be annoying and irritating but he brought up some very good points here against Bob The Builder

 

Man I did not miss this guys voice. But yeah good points. I still find it ridiculous that modern argument looks back at a society 1500 years old and criticizes customs. Only to spin their own ridiculous and degrading values.

[Eddie Mecca]

I've never heard anyone call Elvis Presley a child molester—he (Elvis) started courting Priscilla when he was 24 and she was only 14—they met when Elvis was stationed in Germany during his army years and dated with her mother and father's blessing—they later married when Priscilla turned 21—another founding father of rock 'n roll, Jerry Lee Lewis married his cousin when she was 13 and he was 23—photos: Elvis with a GI haircut and young Priscilla by his side, Jerry Lee Lewis with his 13 year old bride, Myra Gale Brown

 

[Eddie Mecca]

Also, in 2016 I did a little digging and it seems that Celine Dion started becoming romantically involved with husband René Angélil (fun fact: his father was of Syrian descent and his mother was of Lebanese origin—both parents were members of the Melkite Greek Catholic Church) when she was somewhere between 12 and 14 years old—there was a 28 year age difference between them—after the dissolution of Angélil's second marriage, he and Celine took a professional break and he spent the majority of the year in Las Vegas (while Celine was improving her English skills and taking dance and vocal lessons in Montreal)—when he returned, "he avoided being alone with me for too long a time", Meanwhile, Celine kept a photo of Angélil underneath her pillow, writing, "Before I fell asleep, I slipped it under the pillow, out of fear that my mother, who always shared a room with me, would find it." She also wrote "Less and less could I hide from myself the fact that I was in love with Rene; I had all the symptoms," and "I was in love with a man I couldn't love, who didn't want me to love him, who didn't want to love me." Dion's mother, who traveled everywhere with the singer until she was 19, was initially wary of her daughter's growing infatuation with a much older and twice-divorced Angélil, but Dion was insistent, telling her mother "This is a free country. No one has the right to prevent me from loving whoever I want"—all from her 2000 autobiography 'My Story, My Dream' pp 152-169—technically (on paper) they commenced their romantic relationship when she turned 18 but if you probe further you'll find out that the intimate spark started four to six years prior—they married in 1994 and remained married until René died of throat cancer in 2016—he was 74 years old when he passed.

 

Edited November 7, 2021 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, Mary was 12 years old when she married Joseph The Carpenter who was somewhere between 80-90 years old. Jewish damsels and maidens were considered marriageable at the age of 12 years and 6 months, though the actual age of the bride varied with circumstance—the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary and she delivered Jesus when she was 14 according to Christian scholars—notice liberals, right-wingers and Evangelicals level this criticism at Muhammad but will never level this same critique against Moses or Judaism (out of fear of being labeled anti-Semitic)—they go absolutely mute—mum's the word—also, according to respected rabbinical authorities, Isaac was 40 when he married Rebekah who was 3 when the marriage took place—Genesis chapter 24-25, describes a 3 year-old Rivka leaving her house and marrying a 40-year-old Yitzchak.

Edited November 11, 2021 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

The atheists and materialists have a valid point when they attempt to level a criticism against Muhammad and say that he's a supposed prophet and should be held to a higher standard of human behavior—this is solid reasoning—the Muslim counter argument of cutting him (Prophet Muhammad) slack because he belonged to a different time-period is an extremely weak defense—a prophet is supposed to have unlimited sacred access to the divine—he isn't bound or limited by time and space and has the ability to penetrate reality—when Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) reaffirmed marriageable age being the age of pubescence this means he renewed and upheld the natural Adamic way and substantiated its validity until the end of time. 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

Two additional points: 1.) a girl/young woman or boy/young man may marry once puberty occurs but it's not mandatory in the absolute sense—a .357 magnum isn't placed to their temple and marriage isn't forced on them—marrying young is merely considered preferable—they can marry at age 10 or 11 or 15 or 18 or 25 or 95—Islam allows them this option whereas humanism demands that they unrealistically subjugate their passion until age 18 or 21—Islam is more compassionate, broad-minded and grounded in reality in this sense while liberalism remains more restrictive and sexually repressive—2.) keep in mind that a 45 year old woman may marry a 13-15 year old young man—mainstream media loves bolstering the stereotype of the old perverted Muslim man taking advantage of a young unsophisticated miss but will never mention that the opposite is also allowable under Islamic law. 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

53 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

when Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) reaffirmed marriageable age being the age of pubescence this means he renewed and upheld the natural Adamic way and substantiated its validity until the end of time.

In the eyes of modernists, Cro-Magnon man was a pedophile, Neanderthal man was a pedophile, people during the Bronze Age were all pedophiles, people during the Middle Ages were all pedophiles, everyone during the Victorian era, Edwardian era, Georgian era were all pedophiles—everyone in Japan prior to 2016 was a pedophile, everyone in Delaware prior to 1871 was a pedophile, everyone in present-day (i.e. 2021) Alaska is a pedophile etc. etc.

Edited November 14, 2021 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

@BleedKnee, Hadith on Nikah: Young men who can get married should do so-Abdullah ibn Mas’ud reported, "The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “O young men, if you are able to support a wife, get married. Verily, it lowers the gaze and guards chastity. Whoever is not able to do so, he must fast as it will restrain his passions.” from a Sunni source but I'm sure Shi'i sources would mirror this sentiment

Edited November 21, 2021 by Eddie Mecca

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@BleedKnee, do you believe Cro-Magnon man was a pedophile? Do you believe Neanderthal man was a pedophile? Do you believe people who lived during the Bronze Age were all pedophiles? Do you believe people who lived during the Middle Ages were all pedophiles? Do you believe everyone who lived during Queen Victoria's (i.e. Victorian) era were all pedophiles? Do you believe everyone in Japan (prior to 2016) was a pedophile? Do you believe everyone in Delaware (prior to 1871) was a pedophile? Do you believe everyone in present-day Alaska is a pedophile or pedophile sympathizer?

Edited November 21, 2021 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

@BleedKnee, the Prophet (s) said, “O young people! Whoever among you is able to marry, should marry.” Do you agree or disagree?

[Zane Ibrahim]

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Aisha was a mature woman and not a child as some people claim when she got married with Prophet (SAWA). What is famous among our Sunni brothers according to some of their books, that she was seven or nine years old girl. This is among many famous things which have no authentic evidence as it said in Arabic رُبَّ مشهور لا أصلَ له

They wanted to create a virtue for Aisha by claiming that she was very young when she got married to the Prophet (SAWA). This claim of her very young age contradicts with facts mentioned in their own Sunni books which mentioned the age of her sister Asma Bint Abi Bakr who was ten years older than her.

First fact: Asma Bint Abi Bakr was born 27 years before the Bi'thah of the Prophet (The start of Islam). This fact has been mentioned in many prominent Sunni books like:

Mo'jam Al-Zawaa'id , v.9, p.260.

Omdatol Qaari, 2:93.

al-Mo'jam Al-Kabeer by al-Tabaraani , 24:77.

Tareekh Dimishq by Ibn Asaakir 69:9.

Tahtheeb Al-Asmaa',2:593

Osd Al-Ghaabah, 5:392.

al-Isaabah , 8:14.

Second fact: Aisha was ten years younger than her sister Asma. This fact has been mentioned in many Sunni books like : 

al-Estee'aab 2:616

al-Sunan Al-Khubra by Al-Bayhaqi 6:204

Siyar A'laam Al-Nubalaa' 2:295

Tahtheeb Al-Tahtheeb 2:398

Tareekh Al-Islam by al-Thahabi 5:354

al-Bidayah wal Nihayah 8:381
Osd Al-Ghaabah 5:392

These two facts lead to the fact of the age of Aisha. She was born seventeen years before the Bi'thah. The Prophet remained in Makkah for 13 years the migrated to Madinah. This means that Aisha was thirty years old when the prophet migrated to Madina. The marriage took place two years after migration which means that Aisha was thirty two years old when the marriage was consummated.

Many Sunni scholars have rejected the narrations in their own books about the small age of Aisha despite being narrated in Bukhari book. 
Many enemies of Islam have attacked the Prophet because of the claimed very young age of Aisha which is claimed by some Muslims.

We have authentic evidence as you can read above that Aisha was never a child, but was over thirty years.

Wassalam.

 

The above was an answer by Sayyed Mohammad Al-Musawi to the question "At what age was Aisha when she married Prophet Muhammad and when did they consummate?"

Link: https://www.al-islam.org/ask/at-what-age-was-aisha-when-she-married-prophet-muhammad-and-when-did-they-consummate

[Eddie Mecca]

When Jeffrey Epstein's friends morally command you to jump and you comply and reply "how high"?...minus the over-the-top claims made of Aisha...well-thought-out 18 minute presentation by Middle Nation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G19zcrkUTEI

[JannahLM]

It was normal in the past to marry young as life expectancy was much shorter. By the time a person reached their 30's they were practically middle aged. I do wonder, though, why Islam has a lower marriage age for girls than for boys. I've always thought that 9/10 was a bit young, especially today, as anyone that young is still very much a child and nowhere near mentally or emotionally mature enough to marry. Not to mention all the physical damage that pregnancy can cause when the body is still physically growing.