Does good and evil exist or is evil simply a lack of good?

[313_Waiter]

Is evil simply a lack of good? Or does it have reality and existence?

Lets think about murder. The murderer takes a knife and stabs someone. 
Now let’s say this person that is stabbed was Shimr ibn Dhi 'l-Jawshan (l.a). The action was the same, but the person becomes a hero.

What was lacking in the former instance? Was it a lack of authority from God, where it is actually God who takes life? 

Let’s assume evil is a lack of good, so when we send la’na upon Shimr (l.a) or upon Yazid (l.a), are we disassociating from their essence and existence, or are we disassociating from their actions and their ignorance (their lack of gnosis).
What would this mean for their condition in the hereafter? Would their entire state of being be in hellfire, or just the accumulation of ignorance within them? Is it possible for this accumulation to dissipate and disintegrate? What would happen then?

Please share your reflections.

Thanks 

Edited October 7, 2021 by Hameedeh
typo in title

[Shahrukh K]

On 10/2/2021 at 5:08 PM, 313_Waiter said:

Is evil simply a lack of good? Or does it have reality and existence?

This world appears to us because of the veil of ignorance (Nafs) we triggered when we touched the cursed tree.
The nature of this world is itself evil where life feeds on life to survive. In other words this world is feeding ourselves to ourselves.
If you look into living process of life closely, you will find evil everywhere. This is a fact, but it does not make you feel guilty of being alive. 
I began a life of cruelty by giving my mother endless trouble. To the last day of my life i will compete for food, clothing, shelter, holding on to my body, fighting for its needs, wanting it to be secure, in a world of insecurity and death. 
In this world where darkness exist effortlessly evil is not absence of good, good is absence of evil.
You have to make efforts, fight your nafs to do good deeds.

[Cool]

On 10/2/2021 at 6:38 AM, 313_Waiter said:

What was lacking in the former instance? Was it a lack of authority from God, where it is actually God who takes life? 

Let me present before you two verses to show you the difference as per your given stances.

وَلاَ تَقْتُلُواْ النَّفْسَ الَّتِي حَرَّمَ اللّهُ إِلاَّ بِالحَقِّ

17:33) And do not kill any one whom Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause

إِنَّ اللّهَ اشْتَرَى مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَنفُسَهُمْ وَأَمْوَالَهُم بِأَنَّ لَهُمُ الجَنَّةَ يُقَاتِلُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ فَيَقْتُلُونَ وَيُقْتَلُونَ

9:111) Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;

Whether Shimr (L) kill someone or. Whether someone kill Shimr (L), in both the cases, death comes by the command & permission of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)

نحن قدرنا بينكم الموت 

(We have decreed death among you)

[Cool]

On 10/2/2021 at 4:38 PM, 313_Waiter said:

Let’s assume evil is a lack of good, so when we send la’na upon Shimr (l.a) or upon Yazid (l.a), are we disassociating from their essence and existence, or are we disassociating from their actions and their ignorance (their lack of gnosis).

Actions makes person good & evil. Actions are not separate from our very being, infact a verse says that our actions are hanging in our necks:

وَكُلَّ إِنْسَانٍ أَلْزَمْنَاهُ طَائِرَهُ فِي عُنُقِهِ ۖ وَنُخْرِجُ لَهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ كِتَابًا يَلْقَاهُ مَنْشُورًا {13}

[Shakir 17:13] And We have made every man's actions to cling to his neck, and We will bring forth to him on the resurrection day a book which he will find wide open:
[Yusufali 17:13] Every man's fate We have fastened on his own neck: On the Day of Judgment We shall bring out for him a scroll, which he will see spread open.

So whenever someone disassociate himself from someone, he need to disassociate from that very being with which the evil actions are hanging. 

On 10/2/2021 at 4:38 PM, 313_Waiter said:

Would their entire state of being be in hellfire, or just the accumulation of ignorance within them? Is it possible for this accumulation to dissipate and disintegrate? What would happen then?

فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ شَقُوا فَفِي النَّارِ لَهُمْ فِيهَا زَفِيرٌ وَشَهِيقٌ {106}

[Shakir 11:106] So as to those who are unhappy, they shall be in the fire; for them shall be sighing and groaning in it:
[Yusufali 11:106] Those who are wretched shall be in the Fire: There will be for them therein (nothing but) the heaving of sighs and sobs:

خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا مَا دَامَتِ السَّمَاوَاتُ وَالْأَرْضُ إِلَّا مَا شَاءَ رَبُّكَ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ فَعَّالٌ لِمَا يُرِيدُ {107}

[Shakir 11:107] Abiding therein so long as the heavens and the earth endure, except as your Lord please; surely your Lord is the mighty doer of what He intends.
[Yusufali 11:107] They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as thy Lord willeth: for thy Lord is the (sure) accomplisher of what He planneth.

In Sura Ya Seen, you will find this:

اصْلَوْهَا الْيَوْمَ بِمَا كُنْتُمْ تَكْفُرُونَ {64}

[Shakir 36:64] Enter into it this day because you disbelieved.
[Yusufali 36:64] "Embrace ye the (fire) this Day, for that ye (persistently) rejected (Truth)."

الْيَوْمَ نَخْتِمُ عَلَىٰ أَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَتُكَلِّمُنَا أَيْدِيهِمْ وَتَشْهَدُ أَرْجُلُهُمْ بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْسِبُونَ {65}

[Shakir 36:65] On that day We will set a seal upon their mouths, and their hands shall speak to Us, and their feet shall bear witness of what they earned.
[Yusufali 36:65] That Day shall We set a seal on their mouths. But their hands will speak to us, and their feet bear witness, to all that they did.

And these verses do mention that their entire state of being will be in hell. 

Wassalam!!

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 10/2/2021 at 3:08 PM, 313_Waiter said:

so when we send la’na upon Shimr (l.a) or upon Yazid (l.a), are we disassociating from their essence and existence, or are we disassociating from their actions and their ignorance (their lack of gnosis).

Salam we are  diassociating  from both of them becuase both of their essence & their lack of gnosis has been for enmity with Allah & his prophet  (pbu) & infallible  Imams (عليه السلام) which anyone who would be enemy of one of them then he would  be enemy of two other too both by his existence & lack of gnosis.

15 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

This world appears to us because of the veil of ignorance (Nafs) we triggered when we touched the cursed tree.

Salam ,Nobody even prophet  Adam (عليه السلام) & Ev/Hava touched cursed tree which they have ordered to do not touch specific  tree as test although  It was not a cursed tree.

15 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

If you look into living process of life closely, you will find evil everywhere.

We see mixture of good & evil eveywhere .

15 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

I began a life of cruelty by giving my mother endless trouble.

We began our life with permission  of Allah as a mixed blessing of being test on world & showing how much we can be good or bad ,so therefore your viewpoint  is just a nihilistic approach  which doesn't  agree with Islam because  our Imams likewise Imam Ali (عليه السلام) as leader of real ascetics has been independent  from worldly life but in other hand he has been benefiting from gifts of Allah on our world likewise Halal food & security & health of this world but on the other hand he has been vary of temptation  of this world which he has sawn this world as a bridge to eternity & a place for providing our resources & reward in Paradise by doing & orderinh good & forbidding evil likewise stopping our "compete for food, clothing, shelter, holding on to my body, fighting for its needs" by ignoring others or damaging others which majority of army of Yazid (la) likewise Shimr (la) & Yazid (la) has fought with Imam Hussain  (عليه السلام) due to their selfish desires & the evil  competence which you have described  in your post in contrast with selflessness & helping others by Imam  Hussain (عليه السلام).

[313_Waiter]

37 minutes ago, Cool said:

So whenever someone disassociate himself from someone, he need to disassociate from that very being with which the evil actions are hanging. 

 

36 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

both of their essence & their lack of gnosis

Salam if we are saying their very essence / existence is evil, how can a portion of existence be evil given God is all-encompassing (Quran 2:115) and Infinite (Quran 67:1)?

Wouldn’t this be limiting God?

[Ashvazdanghe]

Salam 

Allah has given permission  to Shaytan for having a share in wealth & children of everyone  which people  can choose how much they will give this share to Shaytan which people likewise Shimr (la) & Yazid (la) have given most amount of  the share to Shaytan & made him their master but on the other hand Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) has given zero percent of the share to Shaytan , so therefore all it happens by order of Allah whitout limiting him .

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Instigate whomever of them you can with your voice; and rally against them your cavalry and your infantry, and share with them in wealth and children, and make promises to them!’ But Satan promises them nothing but delusion. (64) 

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/17:64

Satan's participation with a person in wealth and children is a share of benefit and appropriation, as if he forces a person to acquire wealth, which God has made a means of satisfying man's needs in a forbidden way, because in this case, too, a person benefits from that wealth. He has achieved his natural purpose, and either the devil has achieved his purpose, or he has acquired it through lawful means, but it is used in sin, and he does not spend it in obedience to God, so both of them have benefited from that wealth. Even though he is devoid of God's mercy.

Or that a child is born to a person through a forbidden way, or that a person is born through a lawful way and does not bring him up with a religious and righteous upbringing and does not discipline him according to the divine etiquette, as a result he sets a share of that child for the devil and a share. For himself, as well as other things.

https://library.tebyan.net/fa/Viewer/Text/48785/200

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Abd al-Rahman ibn Kathir says that he asked Imam Sadiq (AS): Does Iblis has a share in time of intercoursing ,He replied: Yes, did you not hear the word of Allah Almighty to Iblis ?! Then he recited the verse. Then he says, "I asked, 'How is it known that the devil was involved?' He said: "By our love and hatred of Ahl al-Bayt, its status will be determined." ( Shavahid Al-Tanzil, vol. 1, p. 451)

For example, we see in various verses that the prophets ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) asked God for a righteous child and paid utmost attention in the matter of marriage, so much so that the Holy Prophet of Islam ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) for the birth of Hazrat Zahra (sa) for a long time He paid attention to the prayer and request, and finally God decreed the physical creation of her majesty  by that heavenly apple. There is a narration about this:

From Allah,an apple of Paradise was given to the Holy Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) by Gabriel. He took it and kissed it and put it on his eyes and put it on his chest and ate it by the command of Allah. The apple from which a fission of light shone and his majesty  shone when he saw it. Gabriel said: "O Messenger of God, eat that light whichis" Mansoura Fatima ". He asked: "o' Jibraeel  Who is  Mansoura "?" He said: "She is a girl who comes out of your spine and her name is in the sky of Mansoura and in the earth of Fatima." (Ma'ani al-Akhbar, p. 376, p. 53)

But sometimes human beings, due to the negligence that befalls them, forget the importance of this sensitive and vital matter and try to have children without making the necessary and religious arrangements, and the devil may also take advantage of this negligence. And affect the sperm.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1396/02/16/1398803/شرکت-شیطان-در-نطفه-انسان-ها

[Cool]

1 hour ago, 313_Waiter said:

Salam if we are saying their very essence / existence is evil, how can a portion of existence be evil given God is all-encompassing (Quran 2:115) and Infinite (Quran 67:1)?

Alaikas-Salam!!

Do we need to go into philosophical aspect while we know that our actions are hanging with our necks, making us good or evil, making us سعيد & شقي ? 

So what is our essence? Ruh, Nafs or whatever you may think, it is not evil in itself. Whatever God has created, is good in itself.

The evil originates from creation. So we would come back to the very definition of evil and as you think evil is the absence of goodness. What is absolute goodness then? God Almighty or something else?  So lacking goodness means what? Lacking God? Or perhaps lacking God consciousness? 

The point where creation becomes absolutely lacking God or God consciousness, it becomes evil in its very essence. Because it has absolutely repelled the absolute goodness. And that is not because of any sort of jabr, it is because of his freewill. 

[313_Waiter]

31 minutes ago, Cool said:

And that is not because of any sort of jabr, it is because of his freewill. 

Thanks. But for this part, wouldn’t you agree with Mulla Sadra and the like who say our free will is an expression of God’s free will? It also doesn’t make sense to me that we have independent will or “free” will apart from Allah (azwj).

“Is it then other than Allah's religion that they seek (to follow), and to Him submits whoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and to Him shall they be returned.” (3:83)

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The point where creation becomes absolutely lacking God or God consciousness, it becomes evil in its very essence. Because it has absolutely repelled the absolute goodness

How can anything become “absolutely” lacking “God”? Wouldn’t that be analogous to saying “non-existence” exists (which is a contradiction in terms)?

Edited October 6, 2021 by 313_Waiter

[Cool]

1 hour ago, 313_Waiter said:

wouldn’t you agree with Mulla Sadra and the like who say our free will is an expression of God’s free will?

It may be "an expression" only. But it is not God's will. God has a "will" only, because there is no concept of jabr on God. And the word "free" itself indicates that the thing may be under jabr at any point of time from which it became "free". 

We act wrongly with our free will. God is pure of committing mistakes. Our free will makes us either grateful or ungrateful, so this ungratefulness cannot be the "expression" of God. 

1 hour ago, 313_Waiter said:

“Is it then other than Allah's religion that they seek (to follow), and to Him submits whoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and to Him shall they be returned.” (3:83)

Thanks for sharing this profound verse. If you extrapolate this from this verse, then it means:

1) every thing is a muslim. 

2) then there should be no concept of kufr. 

Fact of the matter is that this profound verse is covering both the aspects of creation. Willingly submission is related to the aspect where our freewill works and unwillingly submission related to the aspect where we don't have freewill. 

Example, do we come in this world by our will? No..... Do we believe in Him with our will? Yes.... Do people disbelieve because of jabr? No

1 hour ago, 313_Waiter said:

our free will is an expression of God’s free will

I am missing something important here. Will discuss this notion in detail later Insha Allah.

1 hour ago, 313_Waiter said:

How can anything become “absolutely” lacking “God”? Wouldn’t that be analogous to saying “non-existence” exists (which is a contradiction in terms)?

It totally depends on what we mean by existence in any sentence. I am not viewing existence as a property at the moment.

Absolutely lacking God or God consciousness means when one rejects His each and every sign and His very Being too. 

Edited October 6, 2021 by Cool

[Cool]

10 minutes ago, Cool said:

Absolutely lacking God or God consciousness means when one rejects His each and every sign and His very Being too. 

And because of this, he earned the wrath of God instead of His pleasure. He become مغضوب، ضال etc. If there is any goodness in these two type of people, He would not have taught us the words:

صراط الذين انعمت عليهم غير المغضوب عليهم و لا الضالين

[Cool]

@313_Waiter, Salam Brother!

I am quoting two more verses of Quran with respect to the willingly & unwillingly submission to God Almighty for your reference:

ثُمَّ اسْتَوَىٰ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ وَهِيَ دُخَانٌ فَقَالَ لَهَا وَلِلْأَرْضِ ائْتِيَا طَوْعًا أَوْ كَرْهًا قَالَتَا أَتَيْنَا طَائِعِينَ {11}

[Shakir 41:11] Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly.

Very interesting & profound verse, this one and the very next verse (# 12) requires a separate thread for discussing them. 

Now another verse is related with the acceptance of deed either willingly or unwillingly:

قُلْ أَنْفِقُوا طَوْعًا أَوْ كَرْهًا لَنْ يُتَقَبَّلَ مِنْكُمْ ۖ إِنَّكُمْ كُنْتُمْ قَوْمًا فَاسِقِينَ {53}

[Shakir 9:53] Say: Spend willingly or unwillingly, it shall not be accepted from you; surely you are a transgressing people.

[313_Waiter]

19 hours ago, Cool said:

Thanks for sharing this profound verse. If you extrapolate this from this verse, then it means:

1) every thing is a muslim. 

2) then there should be no concept of kufr. 

Fact of the matter is that this profound verse is covering both the aspects of creation. Willingly submission is related to the aspect where our freewill works and unwillingly submission related to the aspect where we don't have freewill. 

 

Salaam brother,

Would it be fair to say that a Muslim is one who realises this state of submission that he is in?

Whilst a kāfir is one who “covers” the truth due to ignorance?

[Cool]

46 minutes ago, 313_Waiter said:

Would it be fair to say that a Muslim is one who realises this state of submission that he is in?

Whilst a kāfir is one who “covers” the truth due to ignorance?

Not due to ignorance. Infact after knowing the truth. 

إِنَّهُمْ كَانُوا إِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ

37:35

[Abdul Rahim al-Hasan]

On 10/6/2021 at 1:02 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam we are  diassociating  from both of them becuase both of their essence & their lack of gnosis has been for enmity with Allah & his prophet  (pbu) & infallible  Imams (عليه السلام) which anyone who would be enemy of one of them then he would  be enemy of two other too both by his existence & lack of gnosis.

Salam ,Nobody even prophet  Adam (عليه السلام) & Ev/Hava touched cursed tree which they have ordered to do not touch specific  tree as test although  It was not a cursed tree.

We see mixture of good & evil eveywhere .

We began our life with permission  of Allah as a mixed blessing of being test on world & showing how much we can be good or bad ,so therefore your viewpoint  is just a nihilistic approach  which doesn't  agree with Islam because  our Imams likewise Imam Ali (عليه السلام) as leader of real ascetics has been independent  from worldly life but in other hand he has been benefiting from gifts of Allah on our world likewise Halal food & security & health of this world but on the other hand he has been vary of temptation  of this world which he has sawn this world as a bridge to eternity & a place for providing our resources & reward in Paradise by doing & orderinh good & forbidding evil likewise stopping our "compete for food, clothing, shelter, holding on to my body, fighting for its needs" by ignoring others or damaging others which majority of army of Yazid (la) likewise Shimr (la) & Yazid (la) has fought with Imam Hussain  (عليه السلام) due to their selfish desires & the evil  competence which you have described  in your post in contrast with selflessness & helping others by Imam  Hussain (عليه السلام).

 

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ

In the name of Allah, All-Merciful, The Gracious

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

There is a good book about Adam (عليه السلام) and Huwwa (عليه السلام) online called, Hayat al-Qulub The vol. 1, Stories of the prophets.

May Allah guide you to divine light.

[Shahrukh K]

Salamalaikum brother Ashwazdanghe,

Every time i post after that i wait for your dislike. I like your dislikes, at least you are reading my post. 
Well i am not certain that what i know is right that is the only reason why i am on shiachat.  
I want to know from common man. i learn from people like you. I do not believe in scholars and ulema etc.

On 10/6/2021 at 11:32 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

We see mixture of good & evil eveywhere

We see evil and flashes of good. Good comes and go away evil stays permanently.

On 10/6/2021 at 11:32 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

We began our life with permission  of Allah

Agree.

On 10/6/2021 at 11:32 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

showing how much we can be good or bad ,

We began our life with permission of Allah but can we become good or bad without permission of Allah ?

On 10/6/2021 at 11:32 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

nihilistic approach 

What is this ?

On 10/6/2021 at 11:32 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Imam Ali (عليه السلام) as leader of real ascetics has been independent  from worldly life 

Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was an extraordinary person. He realized his self. He knows what we know not.

On 10/6/2021 at 11:32 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

army of Yazid (la) likewise Shimr (la) & Yazid (la)

Yazid and Shimr are still alive and now they are more powerful. But there is no Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) to stand for us. 
Tell me where is goodness, nowhere...... because nature of this world of darkness is evil. 
 

[Ashvazdanghe]

Salam

12 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

What is this ?

You always have talked about endless  evil  & lack of good & never ending cycle of pain & sorrow in this world which which in contrast you never have mentioned good things in this world which have mixed with bad & evil in this world , which we can break  this cycle & have salvation in this world.

12 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

We began our life with permission of Allah but can we become good or bad without permission of Allah ?

Allah has given us free will to choose between becoming  good or bad , so therefore it's not total free will nor total predestination  but on the other hand it's an status between two of them.

12 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

Yazid and Shimr are still alive and now they are more powerful. But there is no Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) to stand for us. 
Tell me where is goodness, nowhere...... because nature of this world of darkness is evil. 

Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) of our time is alive who is Imam Mahdi (aj) which he will fill world with justice (good) after it filled with injustice (evil) by people likewise  cursed Yazid (la)& Shimr(la) .

Nature of this world is mixture of darkness & light which wise people will use both of it for reaching total light in hereafter & paradise in contrast to gullible people  who just see world one sided as total darkness or total good .

12 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

I do not believe in scholars and ulema etc.

this is main reason of your grate faults because you don't  want learn from true source of experience  & knowledge .

[Ashvazdanghe]

12 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

We see evil and flashes of good. Good comes and go away evil stays permanently.

I totally  disagree because at end good will come & stay forever in contrast with evil which comes likewise  scum which people  like you think it will remain forever.

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He sends down water from the sky whereat the valleys are flooded to [the extent of] their capacity, and the flood carries along a swelling scum. And from what they smelt in the fire for the purpose of [making] ornaments or wares, [there arises] a similar scum. That is how Allah compares truth and falsehood. As for the scum, it leaves as dross, and that which profits the people stays in the earth. That is how Allah draws comparisons. (17)

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/13:17

12 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was an extraordinary person. He realized his self. He knows what we know not.

I only totally  agree with this  part.

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The basis of the occurrence of evils are those desires which are acted upon and the orders that are innovated. They are against the Book of Allah. People co-operate with each other about them even though it is against the Religion of Allah. If wrong had been pure and unmixed it would not be hidden from those who are in search of it. And if right had been pure without admixture of wrong those who bear hatred towards it would have been silenced.

What is, however, done is that something is taken from here and something from there and the two are mixed! At this stage Satan overpowers his friends and they alone escape for whom ‘virtue has been apportioned by Allah from before’ (ref. 21:101).

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-50-verily-source-misguidance-lies

[Abdul Rahim al-Hasan]

 

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ

In the name of Allah, The most Merciful, The Most Gracious
ٱللَّٰهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَىٰ مُحَمَّدٍ وَآلِ مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَجِّلْ فَرَجَهُمْ
O God, bless Muhammad and the Progeny of Muhammad, and hasten their alleviation

بِ حَقِ محمد و الئ محمد

83- Abaya bin Rab'i asked Imam Ali((عليه السلام).) about the ability by which we can stand erect, sit, and do things. The Imam ((عليه السلام).) answered, "You asked about the ability. Do you possess it with or without Allah?"Abaya could not find any answer. The Imam then said, "If you claim you possess it without Allah, I will kill you. And if you claim you possess it with Allah, I will kill you, too." "what should I say, then?" asked Abaya. The Imam said: You possess it by the way of Allah who possesses it exclusively. If Allah gives you a part of it, then Allah is bestowing upon you opportunity, and if Allah seizes it from you, that will be a kind of his test. Allah is the Possessor of the ability that Allah gives to you and Allah is the Prevailing on the matters that you can do.

 

https://balaghah.net/old/nahj-htm/eng/id/article/imam-ali/0004.htm

 

 

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ

In the name of Allah, All-Merciful, The Gracious

 

إِذَا زُلْزِلَتِ الْأَرْضُ زِلْزَالَهَا

When shaken earth breaks,

وَأَخْرَجَتِ الْأَرْضُ أَثْقَالَهَا

And brings earth burden,

وَقَالَ الْإِنْسَانُ مَا لَهَا

And say mankind what is with it,

يَوْمَئِذٍ تُحَدِّثُ أَخْبَارَهَا

That day will repost its news
بِأَنَّ رَبَّكَ أَوْحَىٰ لَهَا

Because her Lord has inspired it so

يَوْمَئِذٍ يَصْدُرُ النَّاسُ أَشْتَاتًا لِيُرَوْا أَعْمَالَهُمْ

That day driven mankind divided groups to shown their deeds

فَمَنْ يَعْمَلْ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ خَيْرًا يَرَهُ

Who done deed equal of smallest part of good will see it

وَمَنْ يَعْمَلْ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ شَرًّا يَرَهُ

Who done deed equal of smallest part of evil will see it

 

 

ٱللَّٰهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَىٰ مُحَمَّدٍ وَآلِ مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَجِّلْ فَرَجَهُمْ

The one whom all obey give Your bliss to Muhammed and the family of Muhammed and hasten their rise

[Shahrukh K]

Walekum assalam brother,

12 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

You always have talked about endless  evil  & lack of good

I will rephrase my statement........ 
we see evil and flashes of good. Good comes and go away evil stays permanently in this world which is temporary. 

I thought highlighted part is understood that is why i skipped it.

12 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

which he will fill world with justice (good) after it filled with injustice (evil) by people likewise  cursed Yazid (la)& Shimr(la)

When this will happen, this world is already overflowing with injustice. 

11 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

totally  disagree because at end good will come & stay forever

At the end of what.
If permanent good comes in this world after i die it is of no use to me.

[Shahrukh K]

12 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

On 10/9/2021 at 12:06 AM, Shahrukh K said:

not believe in scholars and ulema etc.

this is main reason of your grate faults because you don't  want learn from true source of experience  & knowledge .

Religion and scripture may guide us to Allah, but what use are they when we continue to lean on the understanding of others(ulema and scholars)? It becomes second-hand knowledge that is not experienced after a while. Allah invites us to wake up, and to do so we must take to the wilderness by ourselves without our fathers and mothers and sisters and brothers and ulemas and scholars. Here, we are able to witness for ourselves, firsthand, what has been pointed to by Allah and His divine vessels throughout the ages.

[Shahrukh K]

12 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

free will

That is another discussion. Not the topic of this thread.

[Ashvazdanghe]

11 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

When this will happen, this world is already overflowing with injustice. 

Salam nobody knows  time of it nevertheless  due to current  situation  it's not too far inshaAllah .

11 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

At the end of what.
If permanent good comes in this world after i die it is of no use to me.

coming of permanent  good & reappearance  of Imam Mahdi (aj) neither  just for you & me nor any particular  group  but on the other hand is for whole humanity nevertheless  in Rajʿa everyone  from past  & previously dead people  would have benefited  from his reappearance .

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Rajʿa (Arabic: الرَّجعَة), is the belief that a group of people who have died will return to the Earth shortly after the reappearance of the twelfth Shi'a Imam, al-Mahdi (a). It is a belief particular to the Shi'a Muslims. The Qur'an has mentioned the story of some people who have been resurrected after death. Based on some hadiths, a number of perfect believers as well as a number of complete infidels will return to this world. The return of Imam Ali (a) and Imam al-Husayn (a) has been especially emphasized. Since there are mutawatir hadiths about raj'a, it is a certain fact. However, details about raj'a are not as certain.

 

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The purpose of this returning to life is for the Shi'as to aid and help the Imam (a) in his mission and for them to witness the establishment of his righteous government. Similarly, God will also bring back to life a number of the Imam's enemies so that they may taste the punishment of this world and witness, much to their regret, the glory and power of Imam al-Mahdi (a)'s government .

Raj'a is considered one of the necessary components of the Shi'a belief system

 

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The Time of Raj'a

About the time of raj'a, there are three possibilities:

• shortly before the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam (a);
• simultaneously with his reappearance;
• shortly after the reappearance.

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Raj'a

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Al-'Ahd Supplication

Time and Effects of Its Recitation

Imam al-Sadiq (a) said, "anyone, who recites this supplication in forty [successive] mornings, will be among the companions of the Upriser (a) and if he dies before Imam's (a) reappearance, God Almighty will resurrect him to fight for Imam (a), and for every word of the supplication, a thousand rewards will be recorded for him and a thousand bad deeds of his profile will be wiped out."^[7]

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Al-'Ahd_Supplication

11 hours ago, Shahrukh K said:

Religion and scripture may guide us to Allah, but what use are they when we continue to lean on the understanding of others(ulema and scholars)? It becomes second-hand knowledge that is not experienced after a while. Allah invites us to wake up, and to do so we must take to the wilderness by ourselves without our fathers and mothers and sisters and brothers and ulemas and scholars. Here, we are able to witness for ourselves, firsthand, what has been pointed to by Allah and His divine vessels throughout the ages.

this is just playing  with words for dodging  from truth.