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In this day and age probably not due to the growing anti Shia sentiment in such movements.

During their earlier days, maybe, since I believe some of them had a positive view of Khomeini.

In fact it is said that Hizb ut Tahrir even approached him at one point to become the caliph, as envisaged in their vision of an islamic state. 

At the end of the day, from a theological perspective if you follow the Shia aqidah then you are Shia, so the term Shia Ikhwani is self contradictory. Perhaps from a political perspective there is potential for common ground but under current circumstances it looks unlikely.

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On 9/29/2021 at 3:24 PM, Lion of Shia said:

Is there a such thing as a Shia Ikwani? are there Shias in the brotherhood?

No, some may have had a positive view of Khomeini but the Brotherhood has always seen us as non-Muslims. So why would there be Shia in the Brotherhood? 

As brother Mahdavist said, 'Shia Ikhwani" is a self-contradicting idea.

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You can look up Metawalis and other Shia Muslim Groups in Palestine and Jordan that coordinate with Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

There was also Sabireen Movement which consist of both sunni and shia muslims but they seperated their ways with Ikhwanis when Sabireen refused to back down or cease their attacks against Israel, when the Gulf States wanted normalization with Israel.

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On 9/30/2021 at 12:37 AM, Mahdavist said:

During their earlier days, maybe, since I believe some of them had a positive view of Khomeini.

During the height of Arab nationalism, Turkish nationalism (Atatürkism/Kemalism), Persian nationalism (Āryāmehr "Light of the Aryans") etc. the various Islamic revivalist movements of the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's etc. didn't have the luxury of being sectarian and stupid. “Since the days of its founder, Muslim Brotherhood has strong relationship with Shia that started in 1938 when Imam Khomeini visited Cairo and met Hassan al-Banna, which led to the establishment of ‘House of bringing Islamic sects together’ in 1947, of which al-Banna was a member.” https://english.alarabiya.net/in-translation/2020/07/26/Why-do-members-of-the-Muslim-Brotherhood-and-Islamic-Group-become-Shia-

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10 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Brotherhood has strong relationship with Shia that started in 1938 when Imam Khomeini visited Cairo and met Hassan al-Banna,

Salam this is just an imaginary story because  Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) never visited egypt ,so consequently  he didn't met Hassan al-Banna which only Sayyid Husayn Burujirdi (رضي الله عنه) has sent an agent  to Egypt  which leads to recognizing  of Shia Islam by Sheikh Shaltot the head of Al-Azhra scholars which this anti Shia & anti Iran site has made an imaginary  story of visit of  Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) & Hassan al-Banna which nobody in right mind accepts such childlish story .

On 10/1/2021 at 12:20 PM, islamicmusic said:

Gulf States

ZPersian Gulf.:book:

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On 10/2/2021 at 4:21 PM, Eddie Mecca said:

Imam Khomeini visited Cairo and met Hassan al-Banna, which led to the establishment of ‘House of bringing Islamic sects together’ in 1947, of which al-Banna was a member.”

This is only a batalant  lie which KSA backed Al-Arabiya has claimed  without any document or evidence .

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From the late Ayatollah Seyyed Mohammad Hossein Alavi Boroujerdi was quoted as saying:Ayatollah Boroujerdi opened his eyes the day before his death and said that he had heard that Mr. Sheikh Mohammad Taghi Qomi (head of the Al-Azhar cooperation Assembly) had came to Tehran. Why didn't he come to Qom? Tell him to come here. I want to intermediate him to make a reform between the two countries (Iran and Egypt). In those circumstances, Ayatollah Boroujerdi wanted to intermediate Hajj Sheikh Mohammad Taqi Qomi to invite the Shah and then al-Nasser to negotiation. We have letters from Abdul Nasser to Ayatollah Boroujerdi. When Israel was formed, Jamal Abdel Nasser wrote a letter to Ayatollah Boroujerdi asking him to force the Shah to refuse to recognize Israel. "The gentleman did the same."

https://rasekhoon.net/article/show/1121286/حاضر-بود-دست-شاگردش-را-ببوسد

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Establishment of the Institute for the Approximation of Islamic Religions  تقريب بين المذاهب الاسلاميه "House of bringing Islamic sects together"

Ayatollah Seyyed Hossein Mousavi Kermani, who became one of its special companions due to the trust of the late Grand Ayatollah Boroujerdi and participated in many of his scientific and jurisprudential meetings, says about this great authority's commitment to the unity of Shiites and Sunnis. Ayatollah  Sheikh Muhammad Taqi Qomi has founded the Institute for the Rapprochement of Islamic Religions " تقريب بين المذاهب الاسلاميه " by order of Ayatollah Boroujerdi .

https://www.irdc.ir/fa/news/5333/اقدامات-آیت‌الله-بروجردی-برای-وحدت-شیعه-و-سنی-شیخ-شلتوت-خطاب-به-آیت‌الله-بروجردی-به-جاى-دعاهايى-كه-عقب-نماز-می‌خواندم-اكنون-نامه-شما-را-می‌خوانم

https://www.taghrib.com/ar

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Time: April 30, 1979/3 Jamadi Al-Thani 1399
Subject: Cutting off Iran's political relations with Egypt

‌ In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
 Dear Dr. Ebrahim Yazdi, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Taking into account the treacherous pact between Egypt and Israel and the unequivocal obedience of the Egyptian government to "the United States and Zionism", the interim government of the Islamic Republic of Iran should sever its diplomatic relations with the Egyptian government.

10/2/58   1979-04-30

Ruhollah Al-Musawi Khomeini


Source: Sahifa Imam, vol. 7, p. 168

 

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Although Imam Khomeini's instructions to the current  Foreign Minister to cut ties with Egypt referred only to the Camp David Accords, until then the Sadat regime had other animosities with the Islamic Republic of Iran.

 
These hostilities include Sadat's reception of the Shah of Iran in the wake of the revolution and his refusal to surrender, enmity and militancy with the Islamic Revolution of Iran, and the surrending  of a military base to the United States for use in an attack on Iranian soil.


 
In addition, Sadat had launched a lot of propaganda in Egypt against the Islamic Revolution and Imam Khomeini. In Egypt, he had struggle with those who had been revived by the victory of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, and who had demonstrated in the streets of Cairo and other major Egyptian cities in support of the Islamic Revolution.

 
However, Imam Khomeini in his ruling on severing ties with Cairo did not mention any of these animosities, citing only the Camp David Accords, which has been a betrayal of the entire Islamic world.

http://www.imam-khomeini.ir/fa/k1/سرویس_های_اطلاع_رسانی/s5/جهان/n2270/فرمان_امام_خمینی(ره)_برای_قطع_رابطه_با_مصر

http://www.imam-khomeini.ir/fa/c76_149860/پرسش_و_پاسخ/سیاسی/علت_دستور_امام_خمینی_ره_برای_قطع_روابط_جمهوری_اسلامی_ایران_و_مصر_چه_

 

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http://www.taghribnews.com/en/

13 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

During the height of Arab nationalism, Turkish nationalism (Atatürkism/Kemalism), Persian nationalism (Āryāmehr "Light of the Aryans") etc. the various Islamic revivalist movements of the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's etc. didn't have the luxury of being sectarian and stupid. “Since the days of its founder, Muslim Brotherhood has strong relationship with Shia that started in 1938 when Imam Khomeini visited Cairo and met Hassan al-Banna, which led to the establishment of ‘House of bringing Islamic sects together’ in 1947, of which al-Banna was a member.” https://english.alarabiya.net/in-translation/2020/07/26/Why-do-members-of-the-Muslim-Brotherhood-and-Islamic-Group-become-Shia-

You can see another accusation by KSA backed media against Iran in similar fashion of KSA backed Al-Arabiya 

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In 1990, Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, took a new step to spread the so-called "Khomeini revolution", by establishing what is known as the "International Assembly for the Proximity of Islamic Doctrines", which was a cover for documenting the hidden historical alliance between the terrorist Brotherhood and the Wilayat al-Faqih regime. .


This complex has been a framework for discussions between the terrorist group and the Tehran regime for many years, under the cover of conferences with names that attract the convergence of Islamic sects and renounce division, with the aim of coordinating stances and moves to spread the principles of their alleged Islamic state....

.....It seems that the idea of the "Academy of Proximity of Denominations" is basically Brotherhood, which was revealed by one of the reports issued by the "Dal Research Center"; Omar Al-Telmisani, the third general guide of the terrorist Brotherhood, wrote an article in Issue 105 of the "Al-Dawa" magazine in 1985, in which he called for the necessity of bringing Shiites and Sunnis closer together, away from political differences.
Reports indicate that Khomeini was seeking to establish relations with the Brotherhood, and appointed an official for liaison with the international organization of the terrorist group, who had an office in the Swiss city of Lugano in May 1979.

https://al-ain.com/article/complex-approximations-iran-brotherhood

 

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On attempts to bring the Islamic sects together in the twentieth century

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This group was paralleled by the establishment of the "Association for Proximity of Islamic Denominations", with the efforts of the young Iranian Shiite sheikh, Muhammad Taqi Qomi (close to the Shah, Muhammad Reza Pahlavi), and the Sunni Sheikh Mustafa Abdel Razeq, in 1947. The two Sheikhs of Al-Azhar who were later appointed, Abd al-Majid Salim And Mahmoud Shaltout, one of the first to join this group since its inception.
Thanks to Qummi's endless commitment, and the cooperation of a famous number of scholars from the ranks of Al-Azhar as well as a number of Shiite scholars, the aforementioned association became the first seriously effective organization in the arena of approximate dialogue between Islamic sects. January 1949, two years after the group’s founding, witnessed the publication of the first issue of the magazine “Risala al-Islam رسالة الإسلام”: which was considered the first periodical that set the goal of unity among Muslims, since the magazine “The Most Trustworthy Handle العروة الوثقى”has issued by Jamal. Al-Din Al-Afghani and Sheikh Muhammad Abdo in Paris in 1884 AD.

كتاب "التقريب بين المذاهب الإسلامية في القرن العشرين: الأزهر والتشيّع محاولات وتحفظات"

https://www.almayadeen.net/books/714580/عن-محاولات-التقريب-بين-المذاهب-الإسلامية-في-القرن-العشرين

The Ikhwani based site in Iran which is calling itself as representative  of Sunnis http://www.islahweb.org/content/2013/12/10459/امام-بنا-را-بهتر-بشناسیم

 

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I know Imam Ali Khamenei personally translated a few volumes of Syed Qotb's Fi Zilal al Quran Tafsir into Persian, so the Iranians and other Persian speaking nations would benefit from it.

So, yes, Ikhwan al Muslimin and Islamic Revolution have had good relations with each other. But that changed when some groups among ikhwan went astray because of the bad leadership in them. The ikhwan in Palestine however is on the same right track.

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15 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam this is just an imaginary story because  Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) never visited egypt

سلام‎, I'm somewhat familiar with Imam Khomeini's life (particularly from the early 60's onward) but I admit that I don't know every intricate detail of his comings and goings etc. Here's another article stating the same thing—"Before that, the Brotherhood's founder, Hassan Al Banna, had frequently met with Iranian clerics. During one Haj visit to Mecca, he agreed with ayatollahs to establish ties with the Shia clerical establishment in Tehran. But that effort was soon disrupted by Al Banna's assassination in 1949. Senior Brotherhood figures continued to meet Iranian clerics, including Ayatollah Mohammed Taqi Al Qummi and Ayatollah Khomeini while he was in exile in Paris before the revolution."https://www.thenationalnews.com/opinion/comment/iran-brotherhood-ties-rooted-in-history-with-eye-on-future-1.575299

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On 10/3/2021 at 5:30 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

This is only a batalant  lie which KSA backed Al-Arabiya has claimed  without any document or evidence

Here's another article stating the same thing, "The relationship between the Iranian theocracy and the Muslim Brotherhood goes back to the 1930s of the 20th century, i.e. decades before the success of Iran’s 1979 Islamic revolution led by Iran’s late Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. It started when Khomeini visited Cairo in 1938 and met with the Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna and his colleagues. The visit was even before the rise of the Muslim Brothers in Egypt." https://www.trackpersia.com/historical-relationship-iranian-theocracy-muslim-brothers-egypt/

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The Muslim Brotherhood lost their way when they started collaborating with Jordanian intelligence, MI6 and the CIA against Gamal Abdel Nasser in the 50's and against Hafez al-Assad in the 70's. 

 
 
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Salam

5 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

when Khomeini visited Cairo in 1938

I don't understand why you are insisting on spreading this anti Iran & anti Shia propaganda by ksa backed sites nevertheless you call yourself a Shia Muslim.

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7 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

but I admit that I don't know every intricate detail of his comings and goings etc. Here's another article stating the same thing—

Your sources about relation of Imam Khomeini  (رضي الله عنه) & Imam Khamenei with Ikhwanis particularly Hasan Al Banna are inaqurate wich mixed with wahabi propaganda  assumptions & their inaqurate sequence  of events & meetings  

 

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One of the first encounters between the Muslim Brotherhood and Iranian figures who later helped to bring about Iran's current regime was in Cairo, in 1954. Sayyid Navvab Safavi, an Iranian leader of the anti-Shah Fadayan-e Islam, met with senior Brotherhood members to bolster ties. Salim Al Bahnsawi

this is only true part which rest of article is assumptions  & imaganitions of writer of article.

8 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

l Banna, had frequently met with Iranian clerics. During one Haj visit to Mecca, he agreed with ayatollahs to establish ties with the Shia clerical establishment in Tehran.

He only visited Ayatollah  Kashani one time in Hajj which they have agreed to establish  a unity conference  in Tehran or Cairo not more or less .

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Iran's current Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has  translated Sayyid Qutb's books into Farsi.

Imam khamenei only translated one book about Tafsir Quran from Sayyid Qutb due to his good & revolutionarevolutionary understanding from Quran which writer has extended it according  to his assumption & imagination  for proving his nonsense .

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56 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

an unity

correction

addendum farsi sources about relationship of Ikhwanis & Iran 

http://www.taghribnews.com/fa/article/286986/print/اخوان-المسلمین-مصر-جمعیت-فدائیان-اسلام (Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and Jamiat Fadaiyan Islam)

http://okhowah.com/fa/10122  (Close relationship between Nawab and Hassan Al-Banna
Why  the future belongs to Islam?)

https://www.farsnews.ir/news/13921221000897/حسن-البنا-چون-سیدجمال-خود-را-سلفی-می‌خواند-رابطه-البنا-و-آیت‌الله  (Hey to the founding beliefs of the Muslim Brotherhood from women to politics
Hassan Al-Banna likewise Seyyed Jamal calls himself a Salafi / The relationship between Al-Banna and Ayatollah Kashani)

http://iscq.ir/?part=menu&inc=menu&id=189  (Nawab Safavid in Egypt and an article by Hassan Al-Banna)

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Imam Khomeini also took a supportive stance about the Fadaiyan-e-Islam, and when members of the Jamiat were sentenced to death, he took action and in one of his most important political actions in the 30's decade, pioneered  to save the lives of four important members of the Fadaiyan-e-Islam, including Nawab Safavid from the death penalty. The above reference was made in order to show the influence of Nawab's thought on the leaders of the Islamic Revolution. Since Nawab has had close relations with the Brotherhood population and has been influenced by them and consequently has influenced the leaders of the Islamic Revolution himself, [3]

 

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For example, the Supreme Leader, introducing the "Fadaiyan-e-Islam group as an example of young people with faith", says about the influence of Nawab Safavi on himself: " Who has  much influence on me in younghood at first step has been late <<Nawab Safavi>> . I were about fifteen years old when he came to Mashhad. I were very  impressed by his character, and then when he left Mashhad, a few months later, he was martyred in a very bad condition. This deepened his influence on us. Then the Imam influenced me more... "; Statements in a group meeting of young people; 07/02/77(sun calenda).  1998-04-27

http://www.taghribnews.com/fa/article/286986/print/اخوان-المسلمین-مصر-جمعیت-فدائیان-اسلام

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Nawab Safavi

correction 

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Qummi's Position concerning the Islamic Revolution of Iran

Muhammad Taqi Qummi congratulated Imam Khomeini over the victory of the Islamic Revolution of Iran. However, early after the victory of the revolution, one of the revolutionaries humiliated Qummi because of his relationships with the rulers of Islamic countries, including the former Shah of Iran. After that, Qummi left Iran to Paris, where he met the oppositions of the Islamic Revolution. Some people came to think that he opposed the Islamic Revolution of Iran. However, Qummi gave a call to one of his friends in Iran and believed this to be a conspiracy, emphasizing that the goal of the Islamic Revolution was his own goal.

Qummi's Position concerning the World Forum for Proximity of Islamic Schools of Thought

When Ayatollah Khamenei became the supreme leader of Iran and the establishment of the World Forum for Proximity of Islamic Schools of Thought was proposed, Muhammad Taqi Qummi was contacted. He welcomed the proposal and was supposed to go to Egypt again in 1990. However, he died of a car accident on the street of Paris.

Death or Murder?

Muhammad Taqi Qummi died of a car accident on August 28, 1990 in Paris at the age of eighty. Some people believe that the car accident was intentional and he was in fact murdered by opponents because he intended to revive Dar al-Taqrib and reinforce the unity of Shi'as and Sunnis.

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Muhammad_Taqi_Qummi

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7 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

I don't understand why you are insisting on spreading this anti Iran & anti Shia propaganda

How is it anti-Iranian/anti-Shi'a propaganda if Imam Khomeini visited Cairo? It's haram for Imam Khomeini to visit Egypt as a Shi'i?

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15 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Your sources about relation of Imam Khomeini  (رضي الله عنه) & Imam Khamenei with Ikhwanis particularly Hasan Al Banna are inaqurate wich mixed with wahabi propaganda  assumptions

I admit the sources aren't great but this brings up an interesting question or series of questions regarding reliability of source material—so if Al Arabiya says "Khomeini was exiled in France" must we reply by saying, "no, this is Wahhabi/Saudi propaganda. He was exiled in Germany"? Al Arabiya is known for unfair coverage of Iranian events but how does Imam Khomeini (r) meeting with Al Banna (r) in 1938 fit into this category? If anything it would be a positive thing for a young Khomeini to visit likeminded Sunni activists in a neighboring ME country in order to build interdenominational bridges—should one automatically denounce information presented from a source one considers weak/objectionable?—for example, I can't stand Fox News—but if Fox News reported that "60,000 US servicemen were killed during the Vietnam War" I would probably accept it as being an accurate or truthful account because it matches statistics I've heard before—now if Fox News reported that "King Salman met with President Biden in a Masonic lodge and they performed a Satanic ritual together" then an alarm would single in my brain—the coverage sounds conspiratorial or sensationalistic like something printed by the National Enquirer (American tabloid magazine)—now did Khomeini meet Al Banna? I don't know—one or two vague sources say they did—many more reliable sources say that the upper echelon of MB met with high ranking ulama in Iran during the early part of the 20th century to discuss matters related to Islamic unity and map out strategy for the emergence of Islamic revivalism in the region.      

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@Ashvazdanghe Also, here's a hypothetical situation—if Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī says "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah" would you agree with it? If you say, "yes, I agree" then you have agreed with Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī (a book you despise and consider to be evil)—if you say, "no, I disagree" then you have denied Muhammad as being rasūl—also, if Shayṭān says, "Allah is One" would you agree or disagree? If you agree then you have agreed with Shayṭān and you lose—if you disagree then you have become a mušrik مشرك—so it's a "heads I win, tails you lose" idiom/scenario—I want to see how you think—I want to test you.

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On 9/30/2021 at 12:37 AM, Mahdavist said:

In this day and age probably not due to the growing anti Shia sentiment in such movements.

Hopefully the situation between Jamāʿat al-Ikhwān and the Shi'a improves in upcoming years but I can't blame you for your skepticism—especially when they're being directed by the likes of Erdoğan and ath-Thani—the relationship between Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and Iran remains strong—Hamas went rogue around 2014 and sided with Salafist insurgents in Syria (evidence they can't be entirely trusted)—supposedly Hamas made amends with Iran and they're working together again—Brotherhood's outlook is universal and based in traditional Sunnism, Sufism and moderateness (qualities they have in common with Shi'ism) but there's temptation coming from the Saudi petrodollar and ideological/membership infiltration by Salafists as well—in 2006, MB supported Hezbollah military action against Israel—Morsi strengthened ties with Iran during his presidency but was simultaneously in favor of toppling Assad in Syria.

On 9/30/2021 at 12:37 AM, Mahdavist said:

In fact it is said that Hizb ut Tahrir even approached him at one point to become the caliph, as envisaged in their vision of an islamic state. 

I studied with HT throughout the 90's and I heard this incident repeated often—HT approached Khomeini (r) and promised allegiance if he would switch his  Vilayat-e Faqih system into a full-fledged caliphate and he refused.

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On 10/5/2021 at 3:11 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

so if Al Arabiya says "Khomeini was exiled in France" must we reply by saying, "no, this is Wahhabi/Saudi propaganda. He was exiled in Germany"? Al Arabiya is known for unfair coverage of Iranian events but how does Imam Khomeini (r) meeting with Al Banna (r) in 1938 fit into this category?

Salam yeah It fits tolly to this category  because  Al Arabiya or other sources likwise it also are accusing Imam Khomeini  (رضي الله عنه) as french puppet  or CIA agent because  he has been exiled in France ,by the same token , their propagand about imaginary story of Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) with al- Banna is based on showing him as supporter of Ikhwanis which KSA & wahabists has categorized  both of Shias & Ikhwanis as terrorists whitout any diffirence likewise two sides a same coin because Birds of a feather flock together , so therefore both of them are treat for Sunni world according  to their propaganda  which they use this fake story as an evidence  for proving their accusations against  both of them which naive people who don't  do enough research & rely on sources likewise Al-Araiya after repeating it by similar sources to Al- Arabiya will accept it as absolute  truth.

On 10/5/2021 at 3:51 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

@Ashvazdanghe Also, here's a hypothetical situation—if Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī says "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah" would you agree with it? If you say, "yes, I agree" then you have agreed with Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī (a book you despise and consider to be evil)—if you say, "no, I disagree" then you have denied Muhammad as being rasūl—also, if Shayṭān says, "Allah is One" would you agree or disagree? If you agree then you have agreed with Shayṭān and you lose—if you disagree then you have become a mušrik مشرك—so it's a "heads I win, tails you lose" idiom/scenario—I want to see how you think—I want to test you.

You are comparing apples with oranges because  I agree with any muslim or Islamic  source likewise Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī which says  "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah" but on the other hand I don't  agree with whole of book because after saying There is no god except  Allah " & "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah" then it's against accepting  infallible  Imam after prophet  Muhammad  (pbu) which it's full of contradictions  & fabrication & forgery about prophet Muhammad (pbu) & desprate effort for denying infallible  Imam  nevertheless we can find rare & random hadiths in it for proving infallible  Imamate as a  widly accepted reffence book between our opponents in similar fashion Shaytan (la) has not denied Allah but likewise wahabists he has claimed  he only worships Allah while he has refused order of Allah & wanted to worship Allah through his desire not wish & order of Allah.

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18 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam yeah It fits tolly to this category  because  Al Arabiya or other sources likwise it also are accusing Imam Khomeini  (رضي الله عنه) as french puppet  or CIA agent because  he has been exiled in France ,by the same token , their propagand about imaginary story of Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) with al- Banna is based on showing him as supporter of Ikhwanis which KSA & wahabists has categorized  both of Shias & Ikhwanis as terrorists whitout any diffirence likewise two sides a same coin because Birds of a feather flock together , so therefore both of them are treat for Sunni world according  to their propaganda  which they use this fake story as an evidence  for proving their accusations against  both of them which naive people who don't  do enough research & rely on sources likewise Al-Araiya after repeating it by similar sources to Al- Arabiya will accept it as absolute  truth.

سلام‎/Salām/Peace, 1.) أخـي/akhi, your thinking is too rigid and too "black-and-white"—learn to think in a multilayered manner and adopt a multipronged approach—allow the Saudi propagandists say whatever they want—our job is to acknowledge truth wherever and whenever we find it—even if Shayṭān speaks حقّ‎/haqq/truth our duty/command is to follow truth (regardless of who speaks it)—this is what Prophet Muhammad (s) commanded—don't worry about being a politician, don't worry about being an apologist, don't worry about the information being misinterpreted in the public eye, don't worry about falling into the labyrinth that the Shayṭān has set up for you—if the Ottomans did something correct or coherent then we acknowledge it—if the Safavids did something historically reprehensible then we condemn it—we shouldn't be cheerleaders or flag-wavers routing for our respective side due to one-sidedness or partiality or tribalism—follow the haqq and Allah will protect you—be sincere and naive and follow truth—Allah will guard you against all evil 2.) Ikhwāni influence on Sunnism is equal to or greater than Wahhabi influence on Sunnism—Ikhwāni influence is tremendous—I'm familiar with the rivalry between MB members and Wahhabis—I'm 50/50 on whether or not Khomeini (r) personally met with Al Banna (r)—if someone asked me on the street, I would reply by saying something like, "well, I read online that they once met in 1938 (in Egypt) but the sources weren't the greatest"—for me whether or not they physically met one another is besides the point—Khomeini and his inner circle met with the elite members of the Brotherhood (Al Banna's successors)—successive Iranian clerics and political hierarchy have likewise met with them throughout the years—is Hamas a MB offshoot? Yes it is and IRI works with them—is Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) a MB offshoot? Yes they are and IRI works with them—was the Brotherhood inspired by the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran? Yes they were—does Iranian leadership consider MB a potential ally (despite severe military confrontations and political setbacks with its Syrian branch) in exporting its pan-Islamic regional vision abroad? Yes it does—does MB support the Houthi rebellion against Saudi homogeny in Yemen? Yes they do—did Ayatollah Khamenei translate Sayyid Qutb’s works from Arabic into Farsi—Yes he did—did Ayatollah Khamenei translate Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab's works from Arabic into Farsi?—No he didn't

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On 9/30/2021 at 12:37 AM, Mahdavist said:

At the end of the day, from a theological perspective if you follow the Shia aqidah then you are Shia, so the term Shia Ikhwani is self contradictory.

What happens is Shi'a members of Hizb ut-Tahrir, Muslim Brotherhood, Tanzeem-e-Islami etc. usually end up compromising certain aspects of their Shi'ism (theologically, methodologically etc.) in place of Sunni-led, social activism—such members are typically motivated by pragmatism 

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On 10/6/2021 at 3:07 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

their propagand about imaginary story of Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) with al- Banna is based on showing him as supporter of Ikhwanis which KSA & wahabists has categorized  both of Shias & Ikhwanis as terrorists

Why are we so concerned about the Trump administration and Bin Salmān regime labeling of Hezbollah, Tehran, Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Muslim Brotherhood or whomever as terrorists and radicals? Why this defeatist mentality brother? Actually are you aware that Iran was one of the first countries in the world to openly condemn a decision by the US to designate the Brotherhood as a terrorist organization?

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On 10/8/2021 at 3:48 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

are you aware that Iran was one of the first countries in the world to openly condemn a decision by the US to designate the Brotherhood as a terrorist organization?

Salam It has not been for supporting any particular party likewise MB in Egypt or offshoots it likewise Hamas & etc but on the other hand it has done for supporting  people  of Egypt & Palestine  against intervention of America & Israel in affairs of people  of Egypt & Palestine & supporting  any resistance  group against  them whether it has been offshoot of MB or not .

Your relating Iran to MB likewise when I say that look at moon by pointing  my finger but you just see my finger instead of moon because  you give too much weight on rhetoric  of KSA & wahabi backed fake stories  about relation  between Iran & MB.

Hossein Amir-Abdulahian, Iran's deputy minister of Arabs affairs, claimed that Iran had condemned the coup.

"We did assure the Egyptian authorities that we do not consider the Muslim Brotherhood like a terrorist organisation. However, we did attend the investiture ceremony of President Sisi," he said.

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In June 2012, Mohamed Morsi, leader of the Freedom and Justice Party, close to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, became the country's first democratically elected president of the Republic. Iran applauded.

Two months later, Morsi went to Iran, during the Non-Aligned Movement Summit. That was a real event for, since 1979, Iran had not forgiven Egypt for signing a peace treaty alone with Israel. Nevertheless, after a 33-year diplomatic freeze, an Egyptian president was invited in Tehran as a Muslim brother.

When Morsi was overthrown by the army in July 2013, Hossein Amir-Abdulahian, Iran's deputy minister of Arabs affairs, claimed that Iran had condemned the coup.

"We did assure the Egyptian authorities that we do not consider the Muslim Brotherhood like a terrorist organisation. However, we did attend the investiture ceremony of President Sisi," he said.

Amir-Abdulahian said Iran had called on the Egyptian army to exercise restraint, condemning the brutalities that occurred in Egypt against the Muslim Brotherhood. In January 2014, the Egyptian authorities, offended by the Iranian support to the Brotherhood, called in the Iranian ambassador in Egypt, Mojtaba Amani.

"This coup d’etat did more bad than good for Egypt. Indeed, there are now two forces: the Brotherhood and the partisans of Marshal Sisi. Egyptian society is split in two," said Amir-Abdulahian.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iran-and-muslim-brotherhood-best-enemies

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The Muslim Brotherhood and the
Emerging ‘Shia Crescent’

by Samuel Helfont
Samuel Helfont is the author of Yusuf al-Qaradawi, Islam, and Modernity, a forthcoming
monograph from the Moshe Dayan Center. A veteran of U.S. Naval Intelligence and the Iraq
War, he earned his MA in Middle Eastern History from Tel Aviv University.

https://ebookshia.com/upload/bookFiles/2797/shia_11.pdf

 

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