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Would it be a bad idea if I join US Air Force Special warfare ? Any sins ?

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There is no sin in serving in your nations military. You are not responsible for the bombs being dropped. You are doing your duty to the nation you live in. 

 

What are you thinking you doing, if you dont mind me asking? PJ, CCT, AFSOC pilot or crew chief?

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11 minutes ago, Mahdavist said:

The sin would be dropping bombs on innocent civilians, for instance, so no it definitely isn't an appropriate job for a Muslim. 

Does this also apply to Iran and its military?

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4 hours ago, Guest foolish vagabond said:

There is no sin in serving in your nations military. You are not responsible for the bombs being dropped. You are doing your duty to the nation you live in. 

 

4 hours ago, Guest foolish vagabond said:

Does this also apply to Iran and its military?

If you drop bombs or are involved in the dropping of bombs on civilians, you are guilty of murder. This is regardless of which government you are under. God is a higher authority than any nation, and the Quran says anyone who kills one person, it is as if he has killed all of humanity. A person should not feel a "duty" to any king or president or governing body that is higher than his or her own moral values. 

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You can't willingly join any military service whatsoever without the approval of your marja, whether it was a Shia nation (like Iran) or an Christian/multi nation (like the USA), or a whatever-you-call-it (like Syria).

With the USA you have the issue that many of their actions worldwide are definitely haram, like the Afghanistan war where they commonly attacked civilians.

And even if a scholar allowed you to, you are doing this for your own good, not for your 'nation's', whatever that geographic piece of land would want anyway.

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Are those who did the actual killing at Karbala the only ones guilty of the murder of Imam Hussain((عليه السلام)) and the Shu'ada? Even those who didn't participate and let it happen are guilty, even those who are pleased that it happened after the event have associated guilt... 

If you have any doubt about the US military's action's whatsoever then it's not for you.

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On 9/1/2021 at 6:30 PM, Guest foolish vagabond said:

There is no sin in serving in your nations military. You are not responsible for the bombs being dropped. You are doing your duty to the nation you live in. 

What are you thinking you doing, if you dont mind me asking? PJ, CCT, AFSOC pilot or crew chief?

 

I am not entirely sure the judges at Nuremberg would have agreed with you. Principle four of what constitutes a war crime:

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The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials#Principle_I

 

If the U.S. were under imminent threat, perhaps the choices would be different, but since 1945 all the wars that the United States has taken part in were to further its hegemony and for not defence at all.

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On 9/1/2021 at 6:34 PM, Guest Guest said:

Would it involve any sins ?

Yes the whole thing is a sin from start to finish 

my brother had a military career for 10 years in a western country ,regrets it now and still dealing with it’s consequences 

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On 9/1/2021 at 1:30 PM, Guest foolish vagabond said:

There is no sin in serving in your nations military. You are not responsible for the bombs being dropped. You are doing your duty to the nation you live in. 

 

If you know your country's leaders are responsible for egregious violations of international law and have committed unspeakable atrocities why would you put yourself in a position in which you surrender your ethical and moral decision making to those very leaders. Yes, those leaders are elected but by a population who couldn't care less which person from a country they can barely point to on a map was killed in a drone or airstrike or a raid. 

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On 9/2/2021 at 3:30 AM, Guest foolish vagabond said:

There is no sin in serving in your nations military. You are not responsible for the bombs being dropped. You are doing your duty to the nation you live in. 

 

What are you thinking you doing, if you dont mind me asking? PJ, CCT, AFSOC pilot or crew chief?

Sry but every scholar says haram to join Americans military. Every shia and sunni scholars say its haram. Hurr ibn Yazid Left his dad army joined Imam Hussain army because he saw his dad was wrong killing Muslims. You wanna follow the yazids LA or you wanna follow Shiite Abi-Talib

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You're from America man. The entire military apparatus is involved in routine massacres against innocent civilians. It's morally wrong (and therefore haram) to be a part of such institution. Honestly, if you were from any other country (Canada, Norway, etc.) than there honestly wouldn't be an issue. But how can you join the American military? 

Nevertheless, there may be some opening if you really need the job to alleviate your socio-economic situation. 

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It is indeed a big sin. 

1. You would be serving a leader which Allah ( (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) ) hasn't apointed.

2. Anyone you kill and it turns out you were wrong for killing them would be a witness against you on the day of judgement.

3. You should only study and focus on school and advancement of education not serving a leader who isn't the Imam Mahdi AJF.

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If you know about US establishment, imperialist mindset of its rulers and owners, then you would not ask such a question or want to consider that

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