What do Shias think of the "New Taliban"?

[Lion of Shia]

Will Shias view Taliban differently this time after repots of taliban attending majils, and i saw a video of that itapperas to be sunnis participating in matam, is this staged or a hoax,  or a prapaganda tool? What do Shias think?

[Ali_Hussain]

Personally I hope for the best and believe there is a slight chance that this version of the Taliban is a bit less extreme than the version from the 90s.

However I'm not holding my breath, apparently there are already stories of abuses but I haven't seen any reports about this and so am not sure about their authenticity.

Another two decades of a foreign led war will be pointless as the Taliban are clearly by far the strongest force in the country and if the Afghan people really don't want to be under their rule they will need a homegrown resistance movement.

We should keep the Afghan people in our prayers, especially the Hazara.

[The Green Knight]

I will be astonished if they just let the Shia and other minorities be in peace in Afghanistan. Hopefully they are wiser now. If they can allow women some breathing room and let them study and work maybe they can decide also not to bully other groups.

However, I am not sure if these really are purely Taliban. Yanks have been depositing ISIS in Afghanistan each time they had to be saved and evacuated from Russian and Iran led operations. These ISIS vectors are responsible for recent atrocities committed against the Hazara there. Now that the great Satan seems to have left it must have done something, might have made a pact with the Taliban most probably. It can't just give up and leave. It makes no sense. Afg is neighbor to both Iran and China and also Russia. There is something going on which is far more important than Taliban driving their fleet of old toyota hilux's into Kabul.

Edited August 18, 2021 by The Green Knight

[Meedy]

As an Afghan, they are the same old. They're not going to change.

All this saying we will be nice to shia, women etc... All are just act. Why they kept targeting civilians before all this? (they have targeted civilians, they will target them and they will never stop with their barbaric behaviors)

[Abu Nur]

On 8/18/2021 at 4:35 AM, Meedy said:

As an Afghan, they are the same old. They're not going to change.

All this saying we will be nice to shia, women etc... All are just act. Why they kept targeting civilians before all this? (they have targeted civilians, they will target them and they will never stop with their barbaric behaviors)

In one of the video they say that Shias do not curse the sahaba, either they say that as an lie or as an hypocrite. Either way, nothing will bring any good from their extreme idealogy, so you can mostly only doubt them. There is something going on there and only time will reveal their motive.

[ShiaChat Mod]

Performance Evaluation of the New Taliban? 

 

[lover]

The Taliban is a tool of the USA for sure. That’s why the moved out of Afghanistan because they thought the Taliban would govern Afghanistan. Saudi-Arabia, a US proxy, is the first country which has recognized the Taliban government.

Now that the USA have seen that there is independent resistance against the Taliban in parts of Afghanistan they are frightened as hell and have brought back 6000 of their soldiers to Afghanistan for „evacuation process“. Let’s pray that the resistance against Taliban succeeds and the USA lose in Afghanistan once for all.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

Not much, this is a ruse to begin another slaughtering of Shias, by acting legitimate and "moderate", they hope the world will back off and look away when the Taliban takes off the mask. Nobody should be fooled by them, a leopard cannot change its' spots. @Abu Nur @The Green Knight @Lion of Shia

[islamicmusic]

Only time will tell.

It is a fact that Taliban is not what it was 30 years ago. They used to ban razor blades back then. That's how backward they were.

But I am sure in the invasion years, they changed. And I am sure there are lots of groups in it.

They now guaranteed safety for all govt workers, soldiers, muslim minorities, etc. which is a proof they changed.

Not only that, I hear they appointed local shia muslim governers (who served in Taliban and fought against American invasion) in some cities where shia muslims form the majority.

However, there are some ISIS cells and other terrorist groups that would want to divert the course of the Taliban.

And time will tell which side will be in charge.

If Taliban can offer what they promised. And if they don't let ISIS, UAE, Turkey divert their course. And most importantly if they have relations with the Islamic Republic of Iran and consult them on how to run the state while resisting global sanctions and embargoes and etc. they may succeed.

Otherwise, it would be a failure. A group that can not manage the govt, economics, science, health, etc. can not stay strong and in power. If they only know how to fight and then there is no foreign invasion to fight against, then they will turn against each other or neighbouring countries.

That's why when the Islamic Revolution in Iran took place, Imam Khomeini ordered the farmers to work hard and resist sanctions, artists to carry on their work and etc. He did not ask them to join the fight against Saddam.

If the new Taliban is smart enough, they will consult Iran and have relations and learn from them and apply it (sunni version) in Afghanistan.

If they are not, then they will just fight against one another, and let the extremists run wild and invite the imperialists back.

But my hope and prayers and calculations is that they will have relations with Iran and run the country well.

The fact that Taliban refused to join the talks in Turkey but they joined the talks in Iran and that they have cells in Iran that learn from Iran. And that they even collaborated the Iranian Rev. Guards in Afghanistan (during the downing of the plane of the CIA's most important guy on Iran who was known as Ayatollah Mike) is a proof for this.

So, I pray for the Afghani Muslims (sunni, shia, sufi etc.) and I hope that Taliban consults with the Iranian Officials and run their country accordingly (a sunni version).

Here's the prescription for the Ummah (the United Republics of Islam)

https://islamicvoiceofturkey.com/ustad-hizbullah-hakverdi-while-celebrating-the-establishment-anniversary-of-islamic-republic-of-iran/

I pray Afghanistan is the first to join Iran in this cause.

Edited August 19, 2021 by islamicmusic

[Abu Hadi]

I am not very hopeful they will really change, but you never know. Many things have happened in my life that I didn't think was possible or expected. 

You can't really judge based on what they are doing now. The International Spotlight is on them right now and they have no choice but to 'tidy up' their image for the International press. Their main goal now is to get their government recognized by the International community so they can operate like a normal country. We will have to wait a few years down the line, once their government is normalized. 

[lover]

Having the slightest hope in Taliban is foolish in my opinion.

A group of young men without education or job and running around with guns. What kind of system is that?

What does emirate even mean? Emirate of Yazeed.

Edited August 19, 2021 by lover

[wolverine]

An emir is just a chieftain, prince, commander, or head of state in some Islamic countries. Afghanistan became an Emirate in 1823, so that is a part of their history.

Now the Taliban launched an offensive against the Afghan government to take control of what they can grab. Goons with guns. They want Afghanistan to be an emirate, which is kind of like a king, authoritarian, not democratic. Not that they know what Islam is or how to run the country.

Edited August 19, 2021 by wolverine
typos

[Gaius I. Caesar]

14 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

Their main goal now is to get their government recognized by the International community so they can operate like a normal country. We will have to wait a few years down the line, once their government is normalized. 

It is beyond foolish to have such hope, they are ideologically Wahhabis, it is in their own beliefs that we are kufar and deserving of death.  I am deeply disappointed in your comment. 

You don't even need to wait, akhi: 

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The residents said the incident occurred in Haji Paik village in Shakar Dara on Friday night as the Taliban conducted a two-hour search operation on a street in the village.

Some relatives of the victims said the five young men were first tortured by the Taliban and then killed.

The residents called it a crime against humanity and blamed the government for not providing security.

Many residents of the province were not prepared to talk on the record about the incident, but one of them, Humayun, said: “They were four or five who didn’t have military uniforms. They were taken far from here.”

Many family members of the victims were not ready to speak on the record about the incident. But a relative of one of the victims gave an account:

“They took out my cousin’s eyes with a ramrod, they also took out his tongue and ran over him with a car. He was also hit by bullets from his toes to his head,” said Abdul Rahman, a cousin of one of the victims.

https://tolonews.com/afghanistan-173730

^The Taliban are and will always be ignorant savages and filled to the brim with hate, mutilation and torture is absolutely haram. This was roughly three weeks ago, nothing has changed with the Taliban. Putting trust in them is like expecting Yazid to honor his father's wishes to respect Hussain (عليه السلام), its just not going to happen and you should know better than to place your hope in the Taliban. You too, @islamicmusic.

Edited August 20, 2021 by Gaius I. Caesar

[lover]

At the end of the following video (min 41:50) a student from Herat asks Taliban in Kabul why they executed ex-soldiers in Kandahar despite so-called amnesty. They give the usual nonsense answer that people who commit crimes will be punished according to Sharia.

Watch (student speaks in farsi, talib answers in pashto, interviewer translates dari/pashto)

[Cool]

Taliban cannot change themselves. The things which are prerequisites for bringing change, are absent in their society. They are as barbarian, ignorant, stupids as they were in past and they will remain same. 

[Mohamad Abdel-Hamid]

Lol hoping for the Taliban to change and become good guys is like expecting Saudi Arabia to suddenly be nice to Shias and other minorities, rebuild Jannatul Baqi and Jannatul Mualla, stop bombing Yemen and ceasing to spread and fund Wahhabism internationnally (aka it's never gonna happen).

There is no "new Taliban", otherwise why would people be so afraid and do everything to flee and escape by the thousands, to such an extent that they literally hold on to a plance hoping to escape, but end up falling and dying (may Allah have mercy on these souls) ?!?!?!

As I said before, if they actually changed, then alhamdulillah. But if they're the same, then it's no surprise.

Zionist Israel was, is and will remain terrorist.

The American government was, is and will remain terrorist.

Saudi Arabia was, is and will remain terrorist.

Al-Qaeda/ISIS/Boko Haram were, are and will remain terrorists.

It's no surprise then that the Taliban were, are and will remain terrorists.

Edited August 20, 2021 by Mohamad Abdel-Hamid

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 8/18/2021 at 12:01 AM, Lion of Shia said:

i saw a video of that itapperas to be sunnis participating in matam, is this staged or a hoax,  or a prapaganda tool? What do Shias think?

Salam , participating Sunnis in Matam  in Iran & Iraq & Afghanistan  & Indian subcontinet had been a common practice before advent  of Wahabism  which after advent  of wahabism  their participation  has been  in Iran & Iraq in limited form which fortunately  after Iran revolution   participation  of  Sunnis in Matam although  of all efforts  of wahabists has highly increased .

On 8/20/2021 at 6:55 AM, Gaius I. Caesar said:

https://tolonews.com/afghanistan-173730

Salam , don't get me wrong because I don't  support Taliban however Tolonews is just Fox news with other name which It's CEO  has strong relationship  with Rupert Murdoch which he stablished Tolonews with direct support of Murdoch just to spread corruption  & misinformation  in favor of Israel in similar  fashion  of Murdoch . Therefore I don't  completely trust to "Tolo news" which mixes a little  truth with high amount  of exagerration  & misinformation  about current  situation  of Afghanistan .

[HusseinAbbas]

On 8/19/2021 at 10:25 PM, Gaius I. Caesar said:

It is beyond foolish to have such hope, they are ideologically Wahhabis, it is in their own beliefs that we are kufar and deserving of death.  I am deeply disappointed in your comment. 

You don't even need to wait, akhi: 

My thinking is that the Taliban are forced to compromise on their savage and barbaric ideologies if they want to survive and not make ennemies with everyone. 

 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 8/20/2021 at 6:55 AM, Gaius I. Caesar said:

ut one of them, Humayun, said: “They were four or five who didn’t have military uniforms. They were taken far from here.”

Salam in other link Tolo news has mentioned victims as security forces but in advance has tried to show them as civilians by adding assumptions  & rumors for bolding rule of Taliban crime  however it can be crime of any coalition of Taliban  likewise ISIS members who are currently  are doing crimes under banner of Taliban however Taliban are barbaric & brutal people  but they do any punishment  under supervision  of their elders which this crime doesn't  match with their procedure even during their previous time but on the other hand it matches  more with procedure of Daesh/ISIS in Syria & Iraq.

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Residents of Shakar Dara district, north of Kabul city, claim that five people--four security force members and a police hospital employee--were taken by the Taliban and then killed by the group.

The residents said the incident occurred in Haji Paik village in Shakar Dara on Friday night as the Taliban conducted a two-hour search operation on a street in the village.

https://tolonews.com/news-hour-173749

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According to the sources, the Taliban militants first tortured and then killed the men.

Gowhar Khan Baburi, Governor of Shakar Dara district, said Sunday that the militants had installed a checkpoint in the Haji Paik area where they identified the security force members.

The Taliban stated that the victims were members of the Afghan security forces but denied its involvement in the incident.

In a separate incident, two military personnel – including a student from Military University – were killed in the Kalakan district of Kabul.

The incident happened in the Pule Baboch area close to the district’s compound on Saturday night, sources said.

https://avapress.com/en/237588/Five-security-force-members-brutally-killed-in-Kabul-Sources

[ShiaMan14]

wolf in sheep's clothing

[Guest Curious]

I am really suprise to see them not persecuting shias and persians and i hope they will not change that. Let wait and see.

[Abu Hadi]

As more and more reports come out, seem like equation is New Taliban = Old Taliban

[Guest Curious]

25 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

As more and more reports come out, seem like equation is New Taliban = Old Taliban

Like i said previously they dont persecute shias and persians. Without saying they are now good people, it shows that they are not the same than in the past.

[Abdul-Hadi]

On 8/18/2021 at 10:59 PM, lover said:

Saudi-Arabia, a US proxy

Saudia is definitely not a US proxy. It would be easier for the US if that was the case, because then we would just be able to get their oil very cheaply. They're an "ally" to the US (that funded the 9/11 attackers, likely because the US needed a "second pearl harbor" to justify implementing the police state and invading Iraq and Afghanistan) but they fund Wahabbism, which is counter to the ideological interests of the people who actually own America, so they're definitely not a proxy.

A proxy would be what the US was trying to establish in Afghanistan. Their hope was to fund their military, turn Afghanistan into a client state, and then unleash them on the region but because the democrats and neoconservatives are so incredibly out of touch with reality, this did not happen. And now the Taliban (who the US funded against the Soviets in the 80s) have all the military hardware that was for the Afghan army, and will likely use it against other people in the region, possibly Iran. Which works out for the US anyway, since the US hates Iran for throwing the CIA out in 79.

Its the same reason why the democrat party hates Russia now: Vlad Putin came in and the democrat party lost Russia as a client state. Basically, anyone who exercises their own political power over their nation and is not subservient to the democrats, America hates.

[Abu Nur]

On 8/24/2021 at 10:23 PM, Guest Curious said:

Like i said previously they dont persecute shias and persians. Without saying they are now good people, it shows that they are not the same than in the past.

They will not change and they will persecute them sooner or later. The reason is in their ideology, a produce of wicked interpretation of different ideologies, where they find only satisfaction in bloodshed, lust and power. It is our own foolishness if we think that wicked ideology produce good apples. The Qur'an describe so beautifully:

 And the example of a bad word is like a bad tree, uprooted from the surface of the earth, not having any stability.[Quran 14:26]

Edited August 26, 2021 by Abu Nur

[realizm]

On 8/20/2021 at 8:16 AM, lover said:

 

I skipped through the video without understanding it. 

Yet it seems at 6'50 we see people interviewed in the streets sitting in front of Muharram banners saying 'Ya Hussein', 'Ya aba Abdillah' (عليه السلام) . If that's done in proximity of Taliban, you can expect that at least they are not daesh-like. Alhamdulillah for them if they at least can display their Shia identity and rituals in open air without fearing for their lives. 

That would be great if someone here could summarize in a few words what they are saying. 

Edited August 26, 2021 by realizm

[Ali bin Hussein]

Afghanistan was a wild place with tribal killing before Taliban gained control. They at least bought some order and implementation of Sharia to a chaotic area, Then suprise suprise 9/11 happened.

From the outside they believe in Allah carry out all the main acts of worship. Are willing to die fighting for Allah. And they never stopped fighting the kuffar for 20 years.

It seems after 20 years of jihad Allah gave them victory over a larger kuffar force.

As for all the details of acts of brutality and killing honestly I haven't researched and even if I did it would be hard to verify it as most of it comes from kuffar sources.

I'm sure they are far from perfect but unwaveringly fighting kuffar invaders for 20 years and finally getting them out is something to be admired.

May Allah guide them and bring humiliation to the kuffar.

*Not if it isn't obvious I'm trying to highlight how it is believing Muslims Vs kuffar. Choose your side carefully.

Edited August 26, 2021 by Ali bin Hussein

[lover]

4 hours ago, realizm said:

I skipped through the video without understanding it. 

Yet it seems at 6'50 we see people interviewed in the streets sitting in front of Muharram banners saying 'Ya Hussein', 'Ya aba Abdillah' (عليه السلام) . If that's done in proximity of Taliban, you can expect that at least they are not daesh-like. Alhamdulillah for them if they at least can display their Shia identity and rituals in open air without fearing for their lives. 

That would be great if someone here could summarize in a few words what they are saying. 

Well, the obvious Afghan Shias he interviews say that they are shocked and saddened and that everyone thinks about leaving Afghanistan (forever). Except for one, none of them (not even Sunnis) say that they are happy with the Taliban in that video. But of course they don’t say „Taliban“. Some are direct and say they have no good experience with „them“. And the Muharram banners are for a Taliban show, that’s why the moderator asks one person if those banners will be similar in one year.

Edited August 26, 2021 by lover

[realizm]

8 hours ago, lover said:

Well, the obvious Afghan Shias he interviews say that they are shocked and saddened and that everyone thinks about leaving Afghanistan (forever). Except for one, none of them (not even Sunnis) say that they are happy with the Taliban in that video. But of course they don’t say „Taliban“. Some are direct and say they have no good experience with „them“. And the Muharram banners are for a Taliban show, that’s why the moderator asks one person if those banners will be similar in one year.

Thanks for your precisions. 

You mean Taliban wave flags of 'Ya Aba Abdillah' on Muharram ? 

[lover]

9 hours ago, realizm said:

Thanks for your precisions. 

You mean Taliban wave flags of 'Ya Aba Abdillah' on Muharram ? 

No, they believe in saying that is Shirk. But they let those flags of the Hazara community and didn’t remove them, at least in Kabul this year. But it could just be a show for the world press.
I later post a more thorough text on the Taliban on the main topic, God willing.

[islamicmusic]

Imam Khamenei on Afghanistan

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 8/26/2021 at 2:24 PM, Ali bin Hussein said:

Then suprise suprise 9/11 happened.

Taliban ha no connection with Taliban but because Bin Ladan & Al Qaida who have been their ally so after 9/11 , Taliban leaders have protected them as former ally against soviets then American invaders  althought terrorist act of Bin Ladan & Al Qaida has caused suffering of both people of Afghanistan & Iraq which it has caused widening gap between AL Qaida & Taliban.

[lover]

Afghan women protesting against Taliban's new laws in Kabul. Keep in mind that protesting against that terrorist group can be lethal in Afghanistan, especially for women there. One woan tells that when they protested in front of a ministry, a Talib pointed his gun towards them. That's why their number is not that big, because their life is in danger.

May all those who support Taliban be guided against this group and the Wahabism ideology or lose.

Edited September 3, 2021 by lover

[islamicmusic]

The video is a glad tiding and gives hope.

 

Edited September 6, 2021 by islamicmusic

[Abu Nur]

1 hour ago, islamicmusic said:

The video is a glad tiding and gives hope.

 

As long they respect other Muslims and don’t persecute them because of their different beliefs, that would be fine. Time will tell.