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وَأَنَّ ٱلْمَسَـٰجِدَ لِلَّهِ فَلَا تَدْعُوا۟ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ أَحَدًۭا

And [He revealed] that the masjids are for Allah, so do not invoke with Allah anyone. Quran 72:18

Falā Tad`ū Ma`a Allāhi 'Aĥadāan

This Quranic verse itself prove that every supplication (du'a)/invoke can only invoke Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) alone. It means that you can not call the Prophet (saws) and Imams (عليه السلام) in any of supplication, because supplications are only ment for Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

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13 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

وَأَنَّ ٱلْمَسَـٰجِدَ لِلَّهِ فَلَا تَدْعُوا۟ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ أَحَدًۭا

And [He revealed] that the masjids are for Allah, so do not invoke with Allah anyone. Quran 72:18

Falā Tad`ū Ma`a Allāhi 'Aĥadāan

This Quranic verse itself prove that every supplication (du'a)/invoke can only invoke Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) alone. It means that you can not call the Prophet (saws) and Imams (عليه السلام) in any of supplication, because supplications are only ment for Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

١٨_١٤         وَرَبَطْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ إِذْ قَامُوا۟ فَقَالُوا۟ رَبُّنَا رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ لَن نَّدْعُوَا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ إِلَٰهًۭا ۖ لَّقَدْ قُلْنَآ إِذًۭا شَطَطًا

[Shakir 18:14] And We strengthened their hearts with patience, when they stood up and said: Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth; we will by no means call upon any God besides Him, for then indeed we should have said an extravagant thing.

٢٨_  ٨٨وَلَا تَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ ۘ لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ كُلُّ شَىْءٍ هَالِكٌ إِلَّا وَجْهَهُۥ ۚ لَهُ ٱلْحُكْمُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

)028:088 And do not call another god besides Allah; there is no god except Him. Everything is to perish except His Face. All judgement belongs to Him, and to Him you will be brought back

٢٣_١١٧       وَمَن يَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ لَا بُرْهَٰنَ لَهُۥ بِهِۦ فَإِنَّمَا حِسَابُهُۥ عِندَ رَبِّهِۦٓ ۚ إِنَّهُۥ لَا يُفْلِحُ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ

023:117 Whoever calls besides Allah another god of which he has no proof, his reckoning will indeed rest with his Lord. Indeed the faithless will not be felicitous

٣٩_٣  أَلَا لِلَّهِ ٱلدِّينُ ٱلْخَالِصُ ۚ وَٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّخَذُوا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ أَوْلِيَآءَ مَا نَعْبُدُهُمْ إِلَّا لِيُقَرِّبُونَآ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ زُلْفَىٰٓ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَهُمْ فِى مَا هُمْ فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِى مَنْ هُوَ كَٰذِبٌۭ كَفَّارٌۭ

[Shakir 39:3] Now, surely, sincere obedience is due to Allah (alone) and (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, (saying), We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah, surely Allah will judge between them in that in which they differ; surely Allah does not guide him aright who is a liar, ungrateful.
Aulia chosen by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى):

اَيُّھَا الَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْكٰفِرِيْنَ اَوْلِيَاۗءَ مِنْ دُوْنِ الْمُؤْمِنِيْنَ ۭ اَتُرِيْدُوْنَ اَنْ تَجْعَلُوْا لِلّٰهِ عَلَيْكُمْ سُلْطٰنًا مُّبِيْنًا   

4-144 Believers! Do not take the unbelievers as your allies (Auliya) in preference to the believers. Do you wish to offer Allah a clear proof of guilt against yourselves? (Quran 4:144)

اَمْ حَسِبْتُمْ اَنْ تُتْرَكُوْا وَلَمَّا يَعْلَمِ اللّٰهُ الَّذِيْنَ جٰهَدُوْا مِنْكُمْ وَلَمْ يَتَّخِذُوْا مِنْ دُوْنِ اللّٰهِ وَلَا رَسُوْلِهٖ وَلَا الْمُؤْمِنِيْنَ وَلِيْجَةً  ۭ وَاللّٰهُ خَبِيْرٌۢ بِمَا تَعْمَلُوْنَ     169-۝ۧ

Do you think that you will be left (without a trial)? Note it well that Allah has not as yet seen which of you exerted your utmost in His (Allah his way and did not take Wali  any other than Allah, His Messenger and the Believers. Allah has full knowledge of what you do.

Now who are the Auliya Chosen by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) for believers? The answer comes from the following verses:

اِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللّٰهُ وَرَسُوْلُهٗ وَالَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوا الَّذِيْنَ يُقِيْمُوْنَ الصَّلٰوةَ وَيُؤْتُوْنَ الزَّكٰوةَ وَهُمْ رٰكِعُوْنَ     55؀5

وَمَنْ يَّتَوَلَّ اللّٰهَ وَرَسُوْلَهٗ وَالَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْا فَاِنَّ حِزْبَ اللّٰهِ هُمُ الْغٰلِبُوْنَ      56؀ۧ5

Only Allah, His Messenger, and those who believe and who establish Prayer, pay Zakah, and bow (before Allah) are your allies (Wali). All those who take Allah and His Messenger and those who believe as their Allies (Wali), should remember that the party of Allah will be triumphant. (5:55, 56)

Allah is your Wali , The prophet Muhammad saww is your Wali, And Ali as (and 11 Imams) are your Wali , thus their followers will be successful (on the day of judgment).

وَلَوْ شَآءَ ٱللَّهُ لَجَعَلَهُمْ أُمَّةًۭ وَٰحِدَةًۭ وَلَٰكِن يُدْخِلُ مَن يَشَآءُ فِى رَحْمَتِهِۦ ۚ وَٱلظَّٰلِمُونَ مَا لَهُم مِّن وَلِىٍّۢ وَلَا نَصِيرٍ

[Shakir 42:8] And if Allah had pleased He would surely have made them a single community, but He makes whom He pleases enter into His mercy, and the unjust it is that shall have no guardian or helper

٤٢_١٠         وَمَا ٱخْتَلَفْتُمْ فِيهِ مِن شَىْءٍۢ فَحُكْمُهُۥٓ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ ۚ ذَٰلِكُمُ ٱللَّهُ رَبِّى عَلَيْهِ تَوَكَّلْتُ وَإِلَيْهِ أُنِيبُ

[Shakir 42:10] And in whatever thing you disagree, the judgment thereof is (in) Allah's (hand); that is Allah, my Lord, on Him do I rely and to Him do I turn time after time.

And Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows the Best.

wasalam

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١٨_١٤         وَرَبَطْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ إِذْ قَامُوا۟ فَقَالُوا۟ رَبُّنَا رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ لَن نَّدْعُوَا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ إِلَٰهًۭا ۖ لَّقَدْ قُلْنَآ إِذًۭا شَطَطًا

[Shakir 18:14] And We strengthened their hearts with patience, when they stood up and said: Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth; we will by no means call upon any God besides Him, for then indeed we should have said an extravagant thing.

٢٨_  ٨٨وَلَا تَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ ۘ لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ كُلُّ شَىْءٍ هَالِكٌ إِلَّا وَجْهَهُۥ ۚ لَهُ ٱلْحُكْمُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

)028:088 And do not call another god besides Allah; there is no god except Him. Everything is to perish except His Face. All judgement belongs to Him, and to Him you will be brought back

٢٣_١١٧       وَمَن يَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ لَا بُرْهَٰنَ لَهُۥ بِهِۦ فَإِنَّمَا حِسَابُهُۥ عِندَ رَبِّهِۦٓ ۚ إِنَّهُۥ لَا يُفْلِحُ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ

023:117 Whoever calls besides Allah another god of which he has no proof, his reckoning will indeed rest with his Lord. Indeed the faithless will not be felicitous

٣٩_٣  أَلَا لِلَّهِ ٱلدِّينُ ٱلْخَالِصُ ۚ وَٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّخَذُوا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ أَوْلِيَآءَ مَا نَعْبُدُهُمْ إِلَّا لِيُقَرِّبُونَآ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ زُلْفَىٰٓ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَهُمْ فِى مَا هُمْ فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِى مَنْ هُوَ كَٰذِبٌۭ كَفَّارٌۭ

[Shakir 39:3] Now, surely, sincere obedience is due to Allah (alone) and (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, (saying), We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah, surely Allah will judge between them in that in which they differ; surely Allah does not guide him aright who is a liar, ungrateful.
Aulia chosen by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى):

اَيُّھَا الَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْكٰفِرِيْنَ اَوْلِيَاۗءَ مِنْ دُوْنِ الْمُؤْمِنِيْنَ ۭ اَتُرِيْدُوْنَ اَنْ تَجْعَلُوْا لِلّٰهِ عَلَيْكُمْ سُلْطٰنًا مُّبِيْنًا   

4-144 Believers! Do not take the unbelievers as your allies (Auliya) in preference to the believers. Do you wish to offer Allah a clear proof of guilt against yourselves? (Quran 4:144)

اَمْ حَسِبْتُمْ اَنْ تُتْرَكُوْا وَلَمَّا يَعْلَمِ اللّٰهُ الَّذِيْنَ جٰهَدُوْا مِنْكُمْ وَلَمْ يَتَّخِذُوْا مِنْ دُوْنِ اللّٰهِ وَلَا رَسُوْلِهٖ وَلَا الْمُؤْمِنِيْنَ وَلِيْجَةً  ۭ وَاللّٰهُ خَبِيْرٌۢ بِمَا تَعْمَلُوْنَ     169-۝ۧ

Do you think that you will be left (without a trial)? Note it well that Allah has not as yet seen which of you exerted your utmost in His (Allah his way and did not take Wali  any other than Allah, His Messenger and the Believers. Allah has full knowledge of what you do.

Now who are the Auliya Chosen by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) for believers? The answer comes from the following verses:

اِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللّٰهُ وَرَسُوْلُهٗ وَالَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوا الَّذِيْنَ يُقِيْمُوْنَ الصَّلٰوةَ وَيُؤْتُوْنَ الزَّكٰوةَ وَهُمْ رٰكِعُوْنَ     55؀5

وَمَنْ يَّتَوَلَّ اللّٰهَ وَرَسُوْلَهٗ وَالَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْا فَاِنَّ حِزْبَ اللّٰهِ هُمُ الْغٰلِبُوْنَ      56؀ۧ5

Only Allah, His Messenger, and those who believe and who establish Prayer, pay Zakah, and bow (before Allah) are your allies (Wali). All those who take Allah and His Messenger and those who believe as their Allies (Wali), should remember that the party of Allah will be triumphant. (5:55, 56)

Allah is your Wali , The prophet Muhammad saww is your Wali, And Ali as (and 11 Imams) are your Wali , thus their followers will be successful (on the day of judgment).

وَلَوْ شَآءَ ٱللَّهُ لَجَعَلَهُمْ أُمَّةًۭ وَٰحِدَةًۭ وَلَٰكِن يُدْخِلُ مَن يَشَآءُ فِى رَحْمَتِهِۦ ۚ وَٱلظَّٰلِمُونَ مَا لَهُم مِّن وَلِىٍّۢ وَلَا نَصِيرٍ

[Shakir 42:8] And if Allah had pleased He would surely have made them a single community, but He makes whom He pleases enter into His mercy, and the unjust it is that shall have no guardian or helper

٤٢_١٠         وَمَا ٱخْتَلَفْتُمْ فِيهِ مِن شَىْءٍۢ فَحُكْمُهُۥٓ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ ۚ ذَٰلِكُمُ ٱللَّهُ رَبِّى عَلَيْهِ تَوَكَّلْتُ وَإِلَيْهِ أُنِيبُ

[Shakir 42:10] And in whatever thing you disagree, the judgment thereof is (in) Allah's (hand); that is Allah, my Lord, on Him do I rely and to Him do I turn time after time.

And Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows the Best.

wasalam

Salaam Aleikum,

I don't see these verses show that they can be invoke upon. 

But if they are in present of us, then there should not even be any problem to ask them when they can hear and response us, because that is not even invoking.

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13 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

Salaam Aleikum,

I don't see these verses show that they can be invoke upon. 

But if they are in present of us, then there should not even be any problem to ask them when they can hear and response us, because that is not even invoking.

The verses quoted in my last post make it evident that 

١٨_١٤         وَرَبَطْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ إِذْ قَامُوا۟ فَقَالُوا۟ رَبُّنَا رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ لَن نَّدْعُوَا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ إِلَٰهًۭا ۖ لَّقَدْ قُلْنَآ إِذًۭا شَطَطًا

[Shakir 18:14] And We strengthened their hearts with patience, when they stood up and said: Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth; we will by no means call upon any God besides Him, for then indeed we should have said an extravagant thing.

No Muslim Shia call any one as "Illah" to whom prostration is made. The verse is making it clear. 

My view is that believers  as referred in quran see our actions like:

وَقُلِ اعْمَلُواْ فَسَيَرَى اللّهُ عَمَلَكُمْ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالْمُؤْمِنُونَ وَسَتُرَدُّونَ إِلَى عَالِمِ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ

9:105 

I also  do not deny the presence of 12th Imam in this universe.

wasalam

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No Muslim Shia call any one as "Illah" to whom prostration is made. The verse is making it clear. 

The verse I quoted refers to anyone, it does not limits to invoke Gods. The verse that I quoted does not allow anyone to invoke in Supplications expect Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). Supplications are meant when only God can hear and answer our supplications.

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13 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

The verse I quoted refers to anyone, it does not limits to invoke Gods. The verse that I quoted does not allow anyone to invoke in Supplications expect Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). Supplications are meant when only God can hear and answer our supplications.

One alone verse cannot be taken out of context without the clarification mentioned in other verses like given below:

١٨_١٤         وَرَبَطْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ إِذْ قَامُوا۟ فَقَالُوا۟ رَبُّنَا رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ لَن نَّدْعُوَا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ إِلَٰهًۭا ۖ لَّقَدْ قُلْنَآ إِذًۭا شَطَطًا

[Shakir 18:14] And We strengthened their hearts with patience, when they stood up and said: Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth; we will by no means call upon any God besides Him, for then indeed we should have said an extravagant thing.

٢٨_  ٨٨وَلَا تَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ ۘ لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ كُلُّ شَىْءٍ هَالِكٌ إِلَّا وَجْهَهُۥ ۚ لَهُ ٱلْحُكْمُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

)028:088 And do not call another god besides Allah; there is no god except Him. Everything is to perish except His Face. All judgement belongs to Him, and to Him you will be brought back

٢٣_١١٧       وَمَن يَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ لَا بُرْهَٰنَ لَهُۥ بِهِۦ فَإِنَّمَا حِسَابُهُۥ عِندَ رَبِّهِۦٓ ۚ إِنَّهُۥ لَا يُفْلِحُ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ

023:117 Whoever calls besides Allah another god of which he has no proof, his reckoning will indeed rest with his Lord. Indeed the faithless will not be felicitous

Supplication or prayers are made to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) no one denies but our words do reach to our Imam of time like our words are sent to him (عليه السلام) by Arreeza no difference exists for reaching of our words to him (عليه السلام). He is  our Waseela leading to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) . No one out of 14 infallible is a god other than Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  They are chosen representatives of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

wasalam

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15 hours ago, Muslim2010 said:

One alone verse cannot be taken out of context without the clarification mentioned in other verses like given below:

١٨_١٤         وَرَبَطْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ إِذْ قَامُوا۟ فَقَالُوا۟ رَبُّنَا رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ لَن نَّدْعُوَا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ إِلَٰهًۭا ۖ لَّقَدْ قُلْنَآ إِذًۭا شَطَطًا

[Shakir 18:14] And We strengthened their hearts with patience, when they stood up and said: Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth; we will by no means call upon any God besides Him, for then indeed we should have said an extravagant thing.

٢٨_  ٨٨وَلَا تَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ ۘ لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ كُلُّ شَىْءٍ هَالِكٌ إِلَّا وَجْهَهُۥ ۚ لَهُ ٱلْحُكْمُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

)028:088 And do not call another god besides Allah; there is no god except Him. Everything is to perish except His Face. All judgement belongs to Him, and to Him you will be brought back

٢٣_١١٧       وَمَن يَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ لَا بُرْهَٰنَ لَهُۥ بِهِۦ فَإِنَّمَا حِسَابُهُۥ عِندَ رَبِّهِۦٓ ۚ إِنَّهُۥ لَا يُفْلِحُ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ

023:117 Whoever calls besides Allah another god of which he has no proof, his reckoning will indeed rest with his Lord. Indeed the faithless will not be felicitous

Supplication or prayers are made to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) no one denies but our words do reach to our Imam of time like our words are sent to him (عليه السلام) by Arreeza no difference exists for reaching of our words to him (عليه السلام). He is  our Waseela leading to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) . No one out of 14 infallible is a god other than Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  They are chosen representatives of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

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The verse I quoted is very clear and can be understood that when calling Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) in supplication, we can not call anyone (not only applicated to gods) beside Him.

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our words do reach to our Imam of time like our words are sent to him (عليه السلام) by Arreeza no difference exists for reaching of our words to him (عليه السلام). He is  our Waseela leading to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) . No one out of 14 infallible is a god other than Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  They are chosen representatives of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

I agree. What I'm referring is the supplications to God is meant only to invoke God alone in it. When the Imams themselves help us and invoke God in their suppplications to mention about us, they will only call Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) help alone and they will not invoke to Prophets (saws) or other Imams (عليه السلام) in their supplications. It is interesting that Prophet (saws) and Imams (عليه السلام) duas are always pure, thus we should follow exactly their method too.

 

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23 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

The verse I quoted is very clear and can be understood that when calling Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) in supplication, we can not call anyone (not only applicated to gods) beside Him.

وَأَنَّ ٱلْمَسَـٰجِدَ لِلَّهِ فَلَا تَدْعُوا۟ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ أَحَدًۭا

And [He revealed] that the masjids are for Allah, so do not invoke with Allah anyone. Quran 72:18

The verse is taken out of context as at least 3 others verse clearly mentions the condition as given below:

١٨_١٤         وَرَبَطْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ إِذْ قَامُوا۟ فَقَالُوا۟ رَبُّنَا رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ لَن نَّدْعُوَا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ إِلَٰهًۭا ۖ لَّقَدْ قُلْنَآ إِذًۭا شَطَطًا

[Shakir 18:14] And We strengthened their hearts with patience, when they stood up and said: Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth; we will by no means call upon any God besides Him, for then indeed we should have said an extravagant thing.

٢٨_  ٨٨وَلَا تَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ ۘ لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ كُلُّ شَىْءٍ هَالِكٌ إِلَّا وَجْهَهُۥ ۚ لَهُ ٱلْحُكْمُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

)028:088 And do not call another god besides Allah; there is no god except Him. Everything is to perish except His Face. All judgement belongs to Him, and to Him you will be brought back

٢٣_١١٧       وَمَن يَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ لَا بُرْهَٰنَ لَهُۥ بِهِۦ فَإِنَّمَا حِسَابُهُۥ عِندَ رَبِّهِۦٓ ۚ إِنَّهُۥ لَا يُفْلِحُ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ

023:117 Whoever calls besides Allah another god of which he has no proof, his reckoning will indeed rest with his Lord. Indeed the faithless will not be felicitous.

This is same principle adopted by wahabis / extremist sunni  in order to keep the eyes closed from the truth defined by verse of waseela.

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On 1/12/2022 at 9:52 AM, Muslim2010 said:

وَأَنَّ ٱلْمَسَـٰجِدَ لِلَّهِ فَلَا تَدْعُوا۟ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ أَحَدًۭا

And [He revealed] that the masjids are for Allah, so do not invoke with Allah anyone. Quran 72:18

The verse is taken out of context as at least 3 others verse clearly mentions the condition as given below:

١٨_١٤         وَرَبَطْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ إِذْ قَامُوا۟ فَقَالُوا۟ رَبُّنَا رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ لَن نَّدْعُوَا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ إِلَٰهًۭا ۖ لَّقَدْ قُلْنَآ إِذًۭا شَطَطًا

[Shakir 18:14] And We strengthened their hearts with patience, when they stood up and said: Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth; we will by no means call upon any God besides Him, for then indeed we should have said an extravagant thing.

٢٨_  ٨٨وَلَا تَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ ۘ لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ كُلُّ شَىْءٍ هَالِكٌ إِلَّا وَجْهَهُۥ ۚ لَهُ ٱلْحُكْمُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

)028:088 And do not call another god besides Allah; there is no god except Him. Everything is to perish except His Face. All judgement belongs to Him, and to Him you will be brought back

٢٣_١١٧       وَمَن يَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ لَا بُرْهَٰنَ لَهُۥ بِهِۦ فَإِنَّمَا حِسَابُهُۥ عِندَ رَبِّهِۦٓ ۚ إِنَّهُۥ لَا يُفْلِحُ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ

023:117 Whoever calls besides Allah another god of which he has no proof, his reckoning will indeed rest with his Lord. Indeed the faithless will not be felicitous.

This is same principle adopted by wahabis / extremist sunni  in order to keep the eyes closed from the truth defined by verse of waseela.

wasalam

فَلَا تَدْعُوا۟ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ أَحَدًۭا

وَلَا تَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا 

وَمَن يَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا 

The message from verses of qruan is quite certain and the term "Ahda", means "Illaha" (God).

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Salam,

Let put couples of scenarios:

1.  According to a person's belief, he directly ask several Gods to grant him his request for help.

2. According to another person belief, he directly ask to The God to grant him his request for help.

3.  According to another person belief, there are Gods and representatives of Gods. He make a request to representatives and for them to ask Gods or anyone of the Gods to grant him his request.

4.  According to another person belief, there is only One God and there are few representatives of God among us.  He request from the representatives to ask The God for help on his behalf.  He believe that the representatives are naturally very close to God because God constantly communicating with His representatives.  The communication between God and His representatives never been cut off as long as God wishes because they are considered Alive. Meaning they are not disconnected from both God or humans.

 

Scenario 1 and scenario 3, are not allowed based on 72:18, 18:14, 28:88, 27:117 (as Bro @Muslim2010 clearly stated)

 

Scenario 2 is a common understanding and accepted by muslims.

Scenario 4 only accepted by certain muslims who believe in waseela and tawassul.

Muslims who accept scenario 2 and scenario 4, believe in Oneness of God.  The only difference is the mean in bringing the request to The God.  Direct or in certain occasions using the Representatives as the mean.

Wallahualam. 

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On 1/12/2022 at 7:52 PM, Muslim2010 said:

وَأَنَّ ٱلْمَسَـٰجِدَ لِلَّهِ فَلَا تَدْعُوا۟ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ أَحَدًۭا

And [He revealed] that the masjids are for Allah, so do not invoke with Allah anyone. Quran 72:18

The verse is taken out of context as at least 3 others verse clearly mentions the condition as given below:

١٨_١٤         وَرَبَطْنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ إِذْ قَامُوا۟ فَقَالُوا۟ رَبُّنَا رَبُّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ لَن نَّدْعُوَا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ إِلَٰهًۭا ۖ لَّقَدْ قُلْنَآ إِذًۭا شَطَطًا

[Shakir 18:14] And We strengthened their hearts with patience, when they stood up and said: Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth; we will by no means call upon any God besides Him, for then indeed we should have said an extravagant thing.

٢٨_  ٨٨وَلَا تَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ ۘ لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ كُلُّ شَىْءٍ هَالِكٌ إِلَّا وَجْهَهُۥ ۚ لَهُ ٱلْحُكْمُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

)028:088 And do not call another god besides Allah; there is no god except Him. Everything is to perish except His Face. All judgement belongs to Him, and to Him you will be brought back

٢٣_١١٧       وَمَن يَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا ءَاخَرَ لَا بُرْهَٰنَ لَهُۥ بِهِۦ فَإِنَّمَا حِسَابُهُۥ عِندَ رَبِّهِۦٓ ۚ إِنَّهُۥ لَا يُفْلِحُ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ

023:117 Whoever calls besides Allah another god of which he has no proof, his reckoning will indeed rest with his Lord. Indeed the faithless will not be felicitous.

This is same principle adopted by wahabis / extremist sunni  in order to keep the eyes closed from the truth defined by verse of waseela.

wasalam

Salaam Aleikum, 

How did you derive that these verses are only exceptions?

And do not invoke besides Allah that which neither benefits you nor harms you, for if you did, then indeed you would be of the wrongdoers.'"

How can anyone expect Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) who truly can benefit and harms us in this verse itself? Is this verse not literally saying that actually we can only call Allah because He is the only one who can really benefit and harm us? If no, how do we prove otherwise that this includes humans, angels too? 

Prophet Muhammad (saws) clearly testify that only Allah is the one who can do that:

Tell them: 'I have no power to harm or benefit even myself, except what Allah may will. There is an appointed term for every people; and when the end of their term comes, neither can they put it off for an hour, nor can they bring it an hour before.

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On 1/19/2022 at 10:29 AM, Abu Nur said:

How did you derive that these verses are only exceptions?

I have mentioned the verses of quran to clarify and explain the view instead of any misconception:

On 1/15/2022 at 9:57 AM, Muslim2010 said:

فَلَا تَدْعُوا۟ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ أَحَدًۭا

وَلَا تَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا 

وَمَن يَدْعُ مَعَ ٱللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا 

The message from verses of qruan is quite certain and the term "Ahda", means "Illaha" (God).

wasalam

How do you accept that the prophets, imams and chosen representatives of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can not benefit us (like Dua Tawwsal)  with the permission of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) ?

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On 1/19/2022 at 10:29 AM, Abu Nur said:

Prophet Muhammad (saws) clearly testify that only Allah is the one who can do that:

Tell them: 'I have no power to harm or benefit even myself, except what Allah may will. There is an appointed term for every people; and when the end of their term comes, neither can they put it off for an hour, nor can they bring it an hour before.

وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ رَضُوا مَا آتَاهُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَقَالُوا حَسْبُنَا اللَّهُ سَيُؤْتِينَا اللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ وَرَسُولُهُ إِنَّا إِلَى اللَّهِ رَاغِبُونَ

And if they were content with what Allah and His Messenger gave them, and had said: Allah is sufficient for us; Allah will soon give us (more) out of His grace and His Messenger too; surely to Allah do we make our petition. (9:59)

Why the above verse mentions the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) here if you think your thought as true.?

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On 8/14/2021 at 1:26 AM, Asad al-Munfatih said:

Assalamu Alaykum everyone, recently I have been having problems comprehending the concept of Istighatha and invoking those saintly entities other than Allah. I have a few questions, 1. Are the imams (عليه السلام) available 24/7, as in, are they omnipresent and always hear the duaas we make to them? 2. If they can hear our duaas, then what if millions supplicate to them at once? Do they hear them all at the same time? 3. Is it not a contradiction that if the imams (عليه السلام) hear millions all at once? Owing to my limited understanding, I believe this is an attribute of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). That's all for now, Salam.

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Wa aleykumsalaam,

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I have been having problems comprehending the concept of Istighatha and invoking those saintly entities other than Allah

I believe calling some living person in this world for help (Istighatha) is not a problem, while I doubt about the person who is dead or even martyred can come and help you physically, as I have not yet come across any hadeeth regarding this. We have reliable hadeeth where our Imam asked us to take help from a Jinn when you get lost in travelling.
 

10- حدثنا أبي رضي الله عنه قال حدثنا سعد بن عبد الله قال حدثني محمد بن عيسى بن عبيد اليقطيني عن القاسم بن يحيى عن جده الحسن بن راشد عن أبي بصير و محمد بن مسلم عن أبي عبد الله ع قال حدثني أبي عن جدي عن آبائه ع أَنَّ أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ع في حديث الأربعمأة قال: ومن ضل منكم في سفر أو خاف على نفسه ، جنيا صالح صالحا يسيح في البلاد لمكانكم محتسبا نفسه لكم ، وسمع الصوت أجابرش الضال منكم وحبس دابته.

My father(ra)- narrated that Sa’ed ibn Abdullah quoted Muhammad ibn Isa ibn Ubayd al-Yaqtayni, on the authority of Al-Qasim ibn Yahya, on the authority of his grandfather Al-Hassan ibn Rashid, on the authority of Abi Basir and Muhammad ibn Muslim, on the authority of Aba Abdullah as-Sadiq (عليه السلام), on the authority of his father, on the authority of his grandfather, on the authority of his forefathers that in an assembly the Commander of the Faithful Imam Ali (عليه السلام) taught his companions four-hundred things each of which is very useful for a Muslim’s life and religion. What he taught is as follows

Whenever you get lost and frightened while you are traveling, you should say, ‘Ya Salih Aqsani’, since one of your genie brothers called Salih is always moving around and would help you find your way and would stop a fleeing quadruped upon hearing your call.

  • Source: Al-Khisal by Shaykh Saduq, Vol 2, Pg 60, H 10.
  • Grading: Shyakh Asif Muhsini consider this hadeeth as "Mu'tabar" (Reliable) in his Mu'jam al-Ahadith al-Mu'tabara, Vol 7, Pg 43.


 

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1. Are the imams (عليه السلام) available 24/7, as in, are they omnipresent and always hear the duaas we make to them?

About Omnipresent, then No. We do have authentic hadeeth where it says, all our deeds are presented before RasulAllah (sawas) and when he finds it, he becomes sad, so this proves he is not omnipresent. And Yes, Iblees and Angels are also not omnipresent. It is Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) alone who is omnipresent.

3 - علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن عثمان بن عيسى، عن سماعة، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال: سمعته يقول: مالكم تسوؤن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله؟! فقال رجل: كيف نسوؤه؟ فقال: أما تعلمون أن أعمالكم تعرض عليه، فإذا رأى فيها معصية ساءه ذلك، فلا تسوؤا رسول الله وسروه.

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ‘Uthman ibn 'Isa from Suma‘ who has said that he heard abu ‘Abd Allah (عليه السلام), say the following:

“What is wrong with you? Why do you disappoint the Messenger of Allah?” A man asked, ‘How do we disappoint him?’ The Imam said,
‘Do you not know that your deeds are presented before him? When he finds sins in them it disappoints him. Do not disappoint the Messenger of Allah. Do things that will make him happy.’”

  • Source: Al-Kafi by Shaykh Kulayni,Vol 1, Pg 219, H 3.
  • Grading: Allamah Majlisi said hadeeth is “Hasan Muwaththaq” in Mirat ul Uqool, Vol 3, Pg 5.


 

2 - عدة من أصحابنا، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن الحسين بن سعيد، عن النضر بن سويد، عن يحيى الحلبي، عن عبد الحميد الطائي، عن يعقوب بن شعيب قال: سألت أبا عبد الله عليه السلام عن قول الله عز وجل: " اعملوا فسيرى الله عملكم ورسوله والمؤمنون " قال: هم الأئمة.


A number of our people have narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from al-Husayn ibn Sa‘id from al-Nadr ibn Suwayd from Yahya al-Halabi from ‘Abd al-Hamid al-Ta’i from Ya‘qub ibn Shu‘ayb who has said the following:


“Once I asked abu ‘Abd Allah(عليه السلام), about the meaning of the words of Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, ‘Act as you wish. Allah will see your
deeds and so will His Messenger and the believers. . . .’ (9:106) The Imam said, ‘They (believers) are ‘A’immah(عليه السلام).’”

  • Source: Al-Kafi by Kulayni,Vol 1,Pg 219,H 2
  • Grading: Sheikh Hadi al-Najafi also says  hadeeth is “Saheeh” in Mausu'ah Ahadith Ahlulbayt, Vol 7, Pg 137.

 

I believe, the right way and Imams' way of doing Tawassul is saying "Ya Allah be Haqqe Muhammed wa aale Muhammed...."  which can be found in our authentic ahadeeth and Duas. Even if we consider saying "Ya Ali Madad" or any Istighatha as a legal form of Dua, I still prefer the way of our RasulAllah and Imams, because their way of worship is always better.

Wa aleykumsalaam.

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On 1/20/2022 at 2:06 PM, Muslim2010 said:

I have mentioned the verses of quran to clarify and explain the view instead of any misconception:

How do you accept that the prophets, imams and chosen representatives of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can not benefit us (like Dua Tawwsal)  with the permission of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) ?

wasalam

Salaam Aleikum Brother,

Does the verse imply that it can only refer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) alone because He truly are the only one who can benefit and harm? If He gives to others, then they truly do not benefit or harm us either but actually it is Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) alone who can harm and benefit us, thus it can only lead to one entity. 

The Prophet said He can not harm and benefit himself expect only Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can. 

It means only Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can benefit and harm thus only to Him alone we can call and supplicate. 

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13 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

Salaam Aleikum Brother,

Does the verse imply that it can only refer to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) alone because He truly are the only one who can benefit and harm? If He gives to others, then they truly do not benefit or harm us either but actually it is Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) alone who can harm and benefit us, thus it can only lead to one entity. 

The Prophet said He can not harm and benefit himself expect only Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can. 

It means only Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can benefit and harm thus only to Him alone we can call and supplicate. 

Are the words not coming from the Quran by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) mentioning the name of the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) for giving?  

On 1/20/2022 at 4:18 AM, Muslim2010 said:

وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ رَضُوا مَا آتَاهُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَقَالُوا حَسْبُنَا اللَّهُ سَيُؤْتِينَا اللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ وَرَسُولُهُ إِنَّا إِلَى اللَّهِ رَاغِبُونَ

And if they were content with what Allah and His Messenger gave them, and had said: Allah is sufficient for us; Allah will soon give us (more) out of His grace and His Messenger too; surely to Allah do we make our petition. (9:59)

Why the above verse mentions the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) here if you think your thought as true.?

wasalam

This is a point where we disagree.

The prophets, imams and chosen representatives / Wali of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can  benefit us (like Dua Tawwsal)  with the permission of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). Many examples can be quoted from quran like that of Hz Esa / Jesus (عليه السلام) when the miracles happening for him with the permission of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). This cannot be denied.

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13 hours ago, Muslim2010 said:

The prophets, imams and chosen representatives / Wali of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can  benefit us (like Dua Tawwsal)  with the permission of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). Many examples can be quoted from quran like that of Hz Esa / Jesus (عليه السلام) when the miracles happening for him with the permission of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). This cannot be denied.

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4 hours ago, Muslim2010 said:

Are the words not coming from the Quran by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) mentioning the name of the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) for giving?  

This is a point where we disagree.

The prophets, imams and chosen representatives / Wali of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can  benefit us (like Dua Tawwsal)  with the permission of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). Many examples can be quoted from quran like that of Hz Esa / Jesus (عليه السلام) when the miracles happening for him with the permission of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). This cannot be denied.

wasalam

You are repeating the same thing, you are not compherending what Im trying to say. I’m talking about the first cause, the being that have power over all things who can make the benefit and harm manifest in the Reality. So how can you invoke anything expect Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) who Himself gives the benefit to manifest in Reality and same with harm?

What I understand from that verse is that you can not literally add anyone beside Allah in invoking because Allah Himself have these attributes and no one else. All others depends on God, but God is the true one who can benefit and harm.

Here, this verse decribe my meaning:

And if Allah should touch you with adversity, there is no remover of it except Him; and if He intends for you good, then there is no repeller of His bounty. He causes it to reach whom He wills of His servants. And He is the Forgiving, the Merciful

These attributes are not shared with creations and it belongs to God, so how can you invoke beside Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) when they don’t have these attributes? These attributes are not sharable.

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I will leave this discussion by stating that we have two different groups with different conclusion on this matter. 

Othman Ibne Saeed approached Imam Jafar Sadiq (عليه السلام) and asked him why his du’as were not answered.  The Imam proceeded to explain to him that even the manner of supplication has certain requirements, so that the du’a is articulated correctly.  When Ibne Saeed asked, “How should I pray?” the Imam replied:

“Whoever obeys God’s orders and offers his Du’as properly, they will be answered.  First, praise God Almighty, then remember Him and thank Him for His blessings.  After that, send greetings to the Holy Prophet (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and his progeny, then confess your sins and beg for His forgiveness.  That is the right way for Du’a.

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Salam,

Expressing differences in view and understanding in respectful manner is commendable.  Sometimes, it will take years to understand each other point of views.  I appreciate our Brothers contributions in the discussion.

My point of view on this issue is that "in worshipping and asking help from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), we need to be with the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and Imam (عليه السلام).  Be with the them is the condition to worship and asking for help from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  The proof is from surah Al-Fatiha (The Opening).  Otherwise, the door is not opened to us.  

Because the condition of worship and seeking help is to be with the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and Imams (عليه السلام), so our communication with them are not cut off and remain alive as waseela.

How do we define or accept this waseela?

1.  Some just say we believe in Prophet and Imams, love them and follow whatever authenticated written hadiths.  Holding to this belief, the we ask and worship Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

2.  Some believe that Prophet and Imams are spiritually with us.  No seeing them, it doesn't mean that they are not we us spiritually.  We don't see Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) with our physical eyes, but Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is with us.  Angels were with muslims during the battle of Badr, Uhud, Khandak....  .  At Karbala, Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) was not alone spiritually.  Spiritually, souls of followers of Imam Hussain from the future were also present to help and witnessed the event in Karbala.

In spiritual world, communication with Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), and Imams (عليه السلام) is a reality.

Prayer / salah is spiritual mean to worship Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). As stated in Surah Al-fatiha, we need to be with Prophet and Imams to worship and seek help. Therefore, the Prophet and Imams are spiritually with us during prayer and we say our greetings and sending blessings to them before ending the prayer.

Are we allowed to communicate with Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), Prophet and Imams when not in formal 5 times prayers?...Yes, no physically but spiritually.  Meaning, our souls must enter spiritual world and the we worship, ask help and communicate. 

Whether we realize or not, humans have access to spiritual world. 

In spiritual reality, access to Prophet and Imams are allowed. Uniting with their souls is allowed.  This is how our souls get cleaned up, by clinging our souls to their souls.  Embark on the ship of salvation.

When the souls unite...we are to worship and seek help ONLY from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  How to unite? Therefore, salam and sending blessings to Prophet and Ahlulbayt are to unite our souls and is a correct procedure when to worship and seeking help from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

So when a person ask Ya Imam Hussain help, it is because he already believe that he has established the relationship to the souls of Imam Hussain and he can feel closeness to the soul of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام).  And he expecting both uniting souls to seek the help from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  The situation is just like in our daily salah/prayer, uniting our souls in worshipping and seeking helps from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

Wallahualam...

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1.  Supplication or prayers or Dua are made to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) alone no one denies like we pray and make duas 5 times a day.

2.  But our words do reach to our Imam of time like our words are sent to him (عليه السلام) by areeza or our Salam / Salute do  reach him . We may ask him,  other Imams and Prophet (عليه السلام). for help in distress as they are our Waseela leading to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). 

3.  No one out of 14 infallible is a God other than Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  They are chosen representatives of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), Wali and Imams.

4.  They have authority given by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) over believers. They can provide intermediary (like Dua Tawassal mentions) even some one may deny or do not like it.

5. I have also included relevant verses of quran to clarify my view in this thread. More details can be seen at the link given below:

This ends up from my side in this thread.

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