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10 hours ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

We spent $2.3tr and for what?

Another informative and interesting piece about American military equipment falling (accidentally/ by mistake) into the hands of the Taliban:

 

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11 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Another informative and interesting piece about American military equipment falling (accidentally/ by mistake) into the hands of the Taliban:

This entire twenty year war was futile and stupid. America should have known after what happened to the Russians that they couldn't win in Afghanistan. Now the Taliban has all of their equipment and the US has probably succeeded in making the "terror" threat worse for itself.

But nobody cares what I think. I'm not an elite Georgetown liberal who went to Harvard.

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On 8/25/2021 at 10:33 AM, Abdul-Hadi said:

But nobody cares what I think. I'm not an elite Georgetown liberal who went to Harvard.

They only care what you think when you regurgitate what they've been promoting.

Can anyone confirm these rumors I'm hearing by the way? I heard that the Taliban has been going to Shia events and showing solidarity with them for Muharram? Some Iraqis have been posting videos of this all over my parents facebooks. Not saying that these thugs are redeemable but in the event they establish some trust or boundaries with Shia that go beyond just cutting their heads off. Well then I can at least call that somewhat good news?

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3 hours ago, Patient Warrior said:

They only care what you think when you regurgitate what they've been promoting.

Even then they don't care. There's no amount of money that someone can pay me to make me believe that the democrat party and the elite liberals that operate it aren't corrupt beyond even what we're capable of imagining. It's pretty obvious in the way that the democrats are always making appeals to Muslims but don't manage to stand for any of the traditional values that Muslims hold. They'll criticize Christianity until the cows come home for being "intolerant" of the LMNOP+ agenda and then turn around and say "WE LOVE MUSLIMS!" and act as if "Muslim" is a racial category. They're deeply ignorant and out of touch people who simply do not care what the average person wants and they think that they know what's best for those same people: more supply-side economics, bank bailouts, and the "woke" agenda.

I despise the democrat party. The republican party is not great either, but they at least pretend to believe in traditional family values.

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Must watch video.

Clip includes the disclosure that the Taliban now have more Black Hawk helicopters than 85% of countries around the world.

 

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https://www.npr.org/2021/08/26/1031244804/kabul-airport-explosion-afghanistan

Uh oh. Will this turn into an invasion of Afghanistan round 2?  It's like they want the US to stay.

Either stay and deal with the chaos for another 20 years, or leave and let it scorch the land. No real solution here.

No other countries are militarily present. I would think that leaving would still be the better decision.

 

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On 8/25/2021 at 11:02 AM, Patient Warrior said:

Can anyone confirm these rumors I'm hearing by the way? I heard that the Taliban has been going to Shia events and showing solidarity with them for Muharram? Some Iraqis have been posting videos of this all over my parents facebooks. Not saying that these thugs are redeemable but in the event they establish some trust or boundaries with Shia that go beyond just cutting their heads off. Well then I can at least call that somewhat good news?

They're might few videos but that's all just act. They're acting and don't really mean it. Otherwise why would take down the flags of Ahl-bayet, Why would they starting forcing girls into marriage. They're savage thugs animals wild dogs and hyenas.

I have to reduce how much I listen to the news because I find it very hard to take, plus what the coward leaders did to the county. Funnily, the tax payers where these cowards live, will have to pay for their cost of living. The countries the hold Ghani or Hamid Kharazi, must be stupid or what??? you holding these country cowards in your country, paying for the cost and what you getting out of them, seriously, they got nothing better else to do with their money.

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Must watch video.

Clip includes the disclosure that the Taliban now have more Black Hawk helicopters than 85% of countries around the world.

 

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Right now, neither regional powers nor world powers help Afghanistan to become or stay a democratic country. Neither Muslim nor non-Muslim countries want stability in Afghanistan. All they want is to carry out their respective interests inside of Afghanistan. The reasons and interests are various and every country tries to outplay and beat the other inside the borders of Afghanistan. Therefore, Afghans have to rely upon themselves only to stay save inside of that country. 

The world doesn't want Afghans minorities to live in peace inside of that country. That's a fact. If it wanted that, it would do more to reduce bloodshed inside that country. Instead, bloodshed becomes everyday life for people in Afghanistan.

Now the Taliban want power in Afghanistan. They have no political agenda or ideology. All they want to do is power-mongering. They want to rule Afghanistan but they, especially their leadership, among whom are currently Abdul Ghani Baradar, Zabihullah Mujahid and others and who belong to different groups inside of Taliban, don't know that in fact they will never have the power in Afghanistan. They are proxies and puppets of foreign powers inside Afghanistan.

Afghan History after the 1970s has shown that whenever someone gets too independent, he will be either killed or replaced with someone, who is brutal and bloodthirsty. In 1994 former Pashtun warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar was replaced by the Wahabi Taliban, when he became too independent. Former president Mohammad Najibullah was executed by the Taliban, Ahmad Shah Massoud and General Abdul Raziq were assassinated when they demanded foreigners to respect the sovereignty of Afghanistan. 

After a while Mullah Baradar will probably be replaced by another man from within the Taliban or by some other group, if he becomes too independent and too soft. He will be replaced by the same politicians and government who offer him their help and support now. And it has already started with the terror attacks in Kabul on 26 August 2021 by so-called ISIS-K, which killed more than 150 Afghans.

The only places where there is currently no bloodshed in Afghanistan, is where the agents of the world and regional powers cannot enter, which is Panjsher right now.

May God help Afghans.

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On 8/27/2021 at 4:32 AM, Meedy said:

The countries the hold Ghani or Hamid Kharazi, must be stupid or what??? you holding these country cowards in your country, paying for the cost and what you getting out of them, seriously, they got nothing better else to do with their money

Salam It has happened after Iran revolution which Shah & Pahlavi dynasty had fled Iran after revolution which in similar fashion of Ghani ,they have taken heavy bags of Jewelry with themselves which later son of Shah who is a gambling espesially Poker addict has wasted a large amount of It in Casinos which for paying his debts he has made contracts with KSA& UAE  & Qatar to give southern part of Iran from Khuzestan to strait of Hormuz & three Islands of Iran near to UAE to these countries , if he returns to power although he has no authority which It seems that Ghani is following his way for losing all of stollen money in Casinos of UAE & selling parts of Afghanistan for paying his debts to southern persian gulf countries also Karzai had came to Afghanistan as an agent of  American (multinational) corporations , so consequently , he has gone out of Afghanistan with them , then he will return after returning them to Afghanistan.

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Kabul Airport Attack Kills 13 U.S. Service Members, at Least 90 Afghans

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More than 100 people were killed, including at least 13 U.S. service members and 90 Afghans, at the Kabul airport Thursday when two blasts ripped through crowds trying to enter the American-controlled facility, disrupting the final push of the U.S.-led evacuation effort.

A suicide bomb attack at the airport’s Abbey Gate was followed by an assault by gunmen, officials said. Another bomb attack took place nearby, at a hotel outside the airport, officials said. Eighteen U.S. service members were injured, the Pentagon said.

 

 

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President Biden on Thursday evening said he was heartbroken by the violence and vowed to retaliate for the attacks, while promising to continue evacuation efforts.

“We will hunt you down and make you pay,” Mr. Biden said in remarks at the White House. He said he had instructed his national security advisers to develop response plans to the attack.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/afghanistan-kabul-airport-explosion-11629976397

 

90 Aghan civilians, 13 US service members killed in Kabul attack claimed by Daesh; US vows to retaliate

Following the attacks, Daesh's Amaq News Agency said on its Telegram channel that the terror group was behind the explosions.

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Following the attacks, Daesh's Amaq News Agency said on its Telegram channel that the terror group was behind the explosions.

A suicide bomber from Daesh "managed to reach a large gathering of translators and collaborators with the American army at 'Baran Camp' near Kabul Airport and detonated his explosive belt among them," it said.

The attacks killed 12 US Marines and one Navy medic, US officials confirmed, noting 18 other US service members were injured.

"We can confirm that a number of US service members were killed in today's complex attack at Kabul airport," Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said in a statement. "A number of others are being treated for wounds. We also know that a number of Afghans fell victim to this heinous attack."

A senior Afghan health official also said 90 Afghan civilians were dead and over 100 others wounded.

Meanwhile, General Kenneth McKenzie, the leader of US Central Command, said that the United States would retaliate against the perpetrators of the attack.

"We believe it is their desire to continue these attacks and we expect those attacks to continue and we're doing everything we can to be prepared for those attacks," McKenzie said, noting, "We will go after them.” 

 

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McKenzie also said that immediately after the explosions, gunmen opened fire on service members and civilians.

Kirby said earlier that one of the explosions happened "at the airport's Abbey Gate" and "at least one other explosion happened at or near the Baron Hotel, a short distance from Abbey Gate."

'US military destroys ammo in Kabul'

The sound of a huge third explosion heard in the capital was confirmed by a Taliban spokesman to be due to the US military destroying ammunitions in the city, according to Al Jazeera. 

No other details were immediately available at the time of this reporting.

UN chief calls Security Council meeting

Meanwhile, United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres called a meeting of the permanent members of the Security Council on the situation in Afghanistan, AFP quoted diplomats as saying.

Earlier, UN spokesperson Stéphane Dujarric said no UN personnel were believed to have been among the causalities, although some staff were reported to be around the airport compound at the time of the explosions.

 

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More than 80,000 people, foreigners and Afghans, have been evacuated since August 14, the day before the Taliban laid siege to K

Over the 24-hour period from Monday to Tuesday, 21,000 were evacuated and 19,000 between Tuesday and Wednesday.

McKenzie said the evacuation mission was not going to stop as a result of the attacks.

"I think we can continue to conduct our mission, even while we are receiving attacks like this," he said.

Also, there was not immediate indication that US President Joe Biden, who has been briefed on the attacks, plans to change the Aug. 31 withdrawal target, a source familiar with the situation told Reuters.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/08/26/665259/Daesh-claims-responsibility-Kabul-attack-US-vows-retaliate-

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When the Taliban took power in 1990s, the Northern Alliance was a formidable force, backed by many regional countries. It held much of the country’s north, including the strategic Badakhshan province.

This time, the dynamics have changed. The game is heavily tilted in favor of the Taliban, who are at their strongest ever. On the other hand, the Northern Alliance is dead and most of its famed fighters-turned politicians are in hiding. Many of them have tamely surrendered.

The young Massoud, who has his father’s one-time allies like former vice president, Amrullah Saleh, and former defense minister, Bismillah Mohammadi, on his side, is banking on the support of local anti-Taliban militia fighters and former Afghan security forces who have found refuge in Panjshir.

The National Resistance Front (NRF), the new avatar of the Northern Alliance, boasts of a large stockpile of equipment, vehicles and weapons to fight the Taliban. There are also unconfirmed reports of helicopters from neighboring Tajikistan delivering arms and ammunition to them.

 

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“We will sacrifice our lives, but we will not sacrifice our land and our honor,” Massoud, the graduate of Kings College and Sandhurst Military Academy, told his supporters in Panjshir earlier this week. He has reportedly built an army of 6,000 fighters.

We want to make the Taliban realize that the only way forward is through negotiation,” he was quoted as saying in media. “We do not want a war to break out.”

Even with history being on his side and the advantage provided by geography, Massoud realizes that it is an uphill task under present circumstances. War seems to be the last option. He is batting for an “inclusive, broad-based government” in Kabul that represents different ethnic groups.

At the same time, the legacy of his legendary father sits heavily on his young shoulders. He may not like direct military confrontation with the Taliban, but he doesn’t want to retreat or surrender.

 

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Saleh, who has declared himself the new caretaker president after his boss fled the country, on Tuesday warned the Taliban to “avoid the terrains” to Panjshir, while acknowledging that the militant group has “amassed forces near the entrance of Panjshir.”

“I will never, ever and under no circumstances bow to the Taliban terrorists. I will never betray the soul and legacy of my hero Ahmad Shah Massoud, the commander, the legend and the guide,” he wrote on Twitter last week, a clear attempt to woo back Panjshiris.

Saleh hasn’t publicly backed the Massoud-led resistance, but pictures circulating on social media have shown them holding meetings in their hometown. While both are putting up a tough front, they know odds are heavily against them.

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Syed Zafar Mehdi is a Tehran-based journalist, editor and blogger with over 12 years of experience. He has reported extensively from Kashmir, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran for leading publications worldwide.

(The views expressed in this article do not necessarily reflect those of Press TV.)

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/08/26/665229/Panjshir-Taliban-Ahmed-Shah-Massoud

 

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China warns about 'severe' Afghan security situation in wake of Kabul attacks

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Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian condemned the deadly attacks outside the Kabul airport on Friday, saying, "China is shocked by and strongly condemns the explosions."

The blasts show "the security situation in Afghanistan is still complex and severe," he said.

Zhao said that the ministry had not received any reports of Chinese casualties in Kabul.

 

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The Taliban vowed on Friday to beef up security at the airport to prevent future terrorist attacks.

China, which shares a 76-kilometer border with Afghanistan, has called on the Taliban to fulfill its promises and break off with all terrorist organizations.

According to Zhao, during the two decades of the US occupation of Afghanistan, some terrorist organizations have gathered and developed in Afghanistan, posing a severe threat to international and regional security.

He said that Beijing was ready to deepen "friendly and cooperative" relations with Afghanistan, urging relevant parties to "take effective measures to ensure a smooth transition of the situation."

 

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Health facilities running out of medical supplies: WHO

The World Health Organization (WHO) also warned on Friday that health facilities were rapidly running out of supplies across Afghanistan.

It said the country could soon face a shortage of medical personnel as well.

"We have only a few days of supplies left and are exploring all options to bring more medicines into the country," said Rick Brennan, the WHO emergencies director in the Eastern Mediterranean region.

Speaking via video-link from the Egyptian capital, Cairo, in the wake of the Kabul attacks, he said that bringing supplies in through the airport was no longer an option.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/08/27/665296/Afghanistan-Kabul-airport-attacks-security-situation-China-warn

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Calls growing for Biden’s impeachment or resignation following Kabul carnage

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A large number of US Republican politicians are also demanding resignation from Vice President Kamala Harris, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.

Leading the crusade is Nikki Haley, former US ambassador to the United Nations, who has called for Biden's resignation while expressing concern over his likely succession.

“Should Biden step down or be removed for his handling of Afghanistan? Yes,” she tweeted. “But that would leave us with Kamala Harris which would be ten times worse. God help us.”

 

Should Biden step down or be removed for his handling of Afghanistan? Yes. But that would leave us with Kamala Harris which would be ten times worse. God help us. #ItDidntHaveToBeThisWay #GodBlessOurTroops #AfghanistanDisaster

— Nikki Haley (@NikkiHaley) August 26, 2021

 

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Biden, who has in recent weeks appeared dismissive of the dramatic turn of events in the war-ravaged country that the US occupied for 20 years, has vowed retaliation to the attacks.

“We will not forgive. We will not forget. We will hunt you down and make you pay,” he said in early evening remarks from the White House. “We will respond with force and precision at our time, at the place we choose and the moment of our choosing.”

His aides have asserted that the Democratic president has not wavered on the August 31 deadline for getting all Americans out of the country.

 

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The Democrat President has come under blistering criticism in recent weeks for his hasty and disorderly exit from Afghanistan and the tame surrender to the born-again Taliban militant group.

The devastating attacks on Thursday have further compounded his troubles at home.

Nearly two dozen US House and Senate Republicans on Thursday called for Biden to resign or be impeached, as tensions between him and Republicans in the US Congress have escalated dramatically.

Among the 20 House Republicans who have called for Biden to resign or be impeached includes Tom Rice from South Carolina, who had in January also voted to impeach former President Donald Trump.

“Well Joe, you’ve proven yourself incapable of handling your job as Commander in Chief.  You ignored your advisors, rushed this haphazard withdrawal without appropriate conditions and before evacuating our citizens and friends.  Your ineptitude has now cost at least 12 American lives,” he said in a statement.

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On 8/28/2021 at 12:44 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam It has happened after Iran revolution which Shah & Pahlavi dynasty had fled Iran after revolution which in similar fashion of Ghani ,they have taken heavy bags of Jewelry with themselves which later son of Shah who is a gambling espesially Poker addict has wasted a large amount of It in Casinos which for paying his debts he has made contracts with KSA& UAE  & Qatar to give southern part of Iran from Khuzestan to strait of Hormuz & three Islands of Iran near to UAE to these countries , if he returns to power although he has no authority which It seems that Ghani is following his way for losing all of stollen money in Casinos of UAE & selling parts of Afghanistan for paying his debts to southern persian gulf countries also Karzai had came to Afghanistan as an agent of  American (multinational) corporations , so consequently , he has gone out of Afghanistan with them , then he will return after returning them to Afghanistan.

Sadly its true.  I don't know what to say anymore. I am trying to stop or reduce how much I listen to the news because it hurts, because I know its not going to get better, because people in the world have become victims of politics in part of the world

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Afghan refugees kept under inhuman conditions at US base in Qatar

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Pentagon spokesman John Kirby acknowledged that the Afghan evacuees are living in inhuman conditions at a US airbase. He said “everybody’s focused on trying” to improve the situation.

Kirby was speaking to Axios on Tuesday after photos and video footage obtained by media outlets showed hundreds of Afghan refugees staying in an unsanitary hangar at al-Udeid airbase.

Staff at the US embassy in Kabul also decried how Afghan refugees were being treated at the facilities in Qatar, according to a State Department diplomatic cable obtained by the Middle East Eye.

According to the cable, the refugees were being kept in “un-airconditioned housing with too few lavatories – especially for women” at the US airbase.

 

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Qatar-based Al Jazeera television network cited Afghan refugees as saying that they were being kept in the “sweltering heat where several people had fainted as they waited in long queues to use the toilet or receive food and water.”

 

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 Thousands of Afghan civilians and diplomats have rushed to take evacuation flights from Kabul.

The difficulties at the airport were underlined on Monday, when one Afghan guard was killed and three others wounded in a “firefight” between Afghan security forces and “unknown attackers,” according to Germany's military.

Some US embassy personnel have expressed "distrust in the US government" and a sense of betrayal.

Some also said they were “nearly separated from their small children, collapsed under the crush of people, or received injuries requiring hospitalization.”

One of them said, “It would be better to die under the Taliban's bullet” than face the crowds again.

“We are human beings and considered as animals and abused.. Happy to die here but with dignity and pride,” the staff members said.

US Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) (L) talks with Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) during a rally with fellow Democrats before voting on H.R. 1, or the People Act, on the East Steps of the US Capitol on March 08, 2019 in Washington, DC. (AFP photo)

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/08/25/665167/Afghan-refugees-US-base-Qatar

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Taliban: US can now help rebuild Afghanistan after destroying it

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“If they want, they can participate in the reconstruction of Afghanistan, and they can have cooperation with Afghanistan, with the people of Afghanistan, in a new chapter, in a new phase,” a Taliban spokesperson, Mohammad Suhail Shaheen, told China Global Television Network (CGTN) on Monday.

He said the Taliban group “welcomes the US’s participation in reconstruction and investment in the country… because they (the Americans) were involved in the destruction of Afghanistan.”

Shaheen, however, stressed that the “occupation must come to an end.”

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/08/25/665146/Taliban-welcome-US-participation-in-reconstruction-of-Afghanistan-after-full-withdrawal

Taliban ‘planning to establish inclusive caretaker government’ in Afghanistan

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Taliban sources told Al Jazeera about the group’s plan on Friday, adding that nearly a dozen names were being considered to be part of the new government, without mentioning the duration of the caretaker government’s term.

The unnamed sources further said a supreme leadership council had been convened to decide the form of the future government and nominate ministers, particularly for the judiciary, internal security, defense, foreign affairs, finance, and information portfolios as well as a special assignment for Kabul’s affairs.

They added that the group wanted to bring new faces to the government, including the sons of Tajik and Uzbek tribal leaders.

The Taliban have reportedly already appointed senior veterans to the positions of Afghanistan’s finance minister, interior minister, and defense minister, but the appointments have not been formally announced. A Taliban official in Kabul confirmed the key ministerial appointments this week.

 

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The latest development comes as Afghanistan is reeling from two terrorist explosions outside the Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul on Thursday, which claimed over 100 lives, including those of 12 US service members. The attacks came amidst chaos and commotion at the airport, which has been taken over by the US troops to evacuate American civilians and diplomats following the Taliban takeover. The blasts were claimed by an offshoot of the Daesh terrorist group in Afghanistan.

Another Taliban source told Al Jazeera that the group remained committed to the 2020 deal reached with the United States in the Qatari capital, Doha, adding that it would not allow Afghan soil to be used to launch terror attacks.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/08/27/665301/Afghanistan-Taliban-caretaker-government-tribal-leaders-ministers

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Pakistani Haqqani assailant arrested after Kabul blasts

A Pakistani assailant belonging to the Haqqani network has reportedly been arrested after the deadly terrorist attacks outside the Kabul airport on Thursday. Top sources in Afghanistan told CNN-News18 that the Taliban were aware of the connection between the Haqqani network and Pakistan in the Kabul blast.

They said a third blast had been planned at the Turkmenistan Embassy. However, the sources said, two people had been detained before that attack could take place, and that they were in custody of the Taliban.

According to the sources, both of them are Pakistanis.

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An unnamed Taliban official told Reuters news agency on Friday that at least 28 members of the group had died in the bombings, vowing to beef up security at the Kabul airport to prevent future terrorist attacks.

 

 

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Kremlin condemns deadly Kabul attacks

Meanwhile, Russia has strongly condemned the twin bombings on crowds of Afghans trying to flee Afghanistan.

“Of course, it is very sad news about the large number of deaths,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told a briefing on Friday, adding that unfortunately, the pessimistic forecasts that entrenched terrorist groups, especially Daesh, would not fail to take advantage of the chaos in Afghanistan were being confirmed.

Peskov further said that the incident would further escalate the tensions in Afghanistan, which continues to be “a cause of our grave concern.”

On Wednesday, four Russian military planes evacuated Russian and other nationals from Kabul on the orders of President Vladimir Putin, as Moscow held military exercises involving its tank forces in neighboring Tajikistan.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/08/27/665301/Afghanistan-Taliban-caretaker-government-tribal-leaders-ministers

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The following letter of Amrullah Saleh, former Afghan Vice President, was published in German news magazine Der Spiegel.

Amrullah Saleh's roots are in Panjsher and he is Tajik Afghan. After Ashraf Ghani fled Afghanistan towards Dubai, Saleh left Kabul for Panjsher. He doesn't make phone calls because he can be tracked through that by the Taliban. He is one of the last political hopes of Afghan citizens after Ghani and other high ranking politicians of Afghanistan fled the country. He could be assassinated by Taliban or some foreign intelligence any time if his location in Panjsher is revealed.

The following is a part of his letter in English, of which he sent himself a photo to Der Spiegel, as negotiations between Taliban and Panjsher leaders go on:

"If Talibs agree to give us a timeline on when and how they engage the Afghan public, the masses in decision making, we are ready to enter into sincere and serious negotiations. The character of the state. Mechanism for chosing head of the state

Those are the agenda. I don't recognize their Emirate and will never do. A deal for surrender in the name and under the disguise of settlement won't happen. Rest confident.

If they opt for military solution. It is their choice and we are ready for every eventuality. We are in the Hindukush but we stand for Afghanistan.

Geographically we are isolated, but politically and morally Afghanistan is with us and it won't ever become Talibanistan.

Best.

P.S. Can't answer any more questions."

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Source: https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/afghanistan-krise-vizepraesident-amrullah-saleh-wir-ergeben-uns-nicht-a-456b346c-7f61-499e-afa7-a0bc50fa9fb6

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Birth of an Afghan baby at an altitude of 10,000 meters above the ground + video and pictures

 

SHAFQNA, Afghanistan - An Afghan baby was born while evacuating Afghan citizens at an altitude of 10,000 meters, the Turkish Airlines said.

Turkish Airlines Media Center announced in a statement:

An Afghan woman named "Soman Nouri" gave birth to her baby at an altitude of 10,000 meters on a flight plane from Dubai to Birmingham, England, and the mother and baby are fine.

Suman Nouri, a 26-year-old Afghan woman who was flown to Britain by Turkish Airlines, gave birth to a baby girl with the help of flight attendants. The condition of this woman and her daughter Hava is good. The plane was forced to land at Kuwait airport to further address the situation of the mother and daughter, but flied shortly afterwards.

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Video: Polish PM tries to deliver food package to Afghan refugees on Belarus border

SHAFQANA, Afghanistan - A Polish parliament  member  has tried to escape from police by delivering a package of food and medicine to Afghan refugees stranded on the Polish-Belarusian border.

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First laws of Taliban:

-no music (not even halal music) allowed
-seperation in university according to gender
-young men have to join Taliban

Must-read:

After the Taliban took over Kabul, Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan declared that the Taliban were “breaking the chains of slavery.”

https://www.cfr.org/article/pakistans-support-taliban-what-know

 

I am no one to judge people. But keep in mind that Khan during his time at university was a player who had several non-Muslim girlfriends. Such people support the Taliban, who advocate gender separation in university..

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Afghan news:

Former Pashtun Wahabi warlord, and former staunch enemy of Taliban, has said that he unconditionally supports Taliban. Now if someone like him gives his unconditional support for Taliban, you know that there is high pressure from Taliban on all Afghans. Any objection can be lethal for Afghans.

This is Taliban-kind of freedom of speech (from yesterday Afghan news channel):image.png.e657c52abeab5f1df25b368293d26fb3.png 

Meanwhile destruction of Afghan cultural heritage by Taliban continues with the destruction of a wall with a painting of Amir Ali Shirnawayiin Jawzan:

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Biden asked why Afghan soldiers don’t fight the Taliban. Now that some Afghans fight, they don’t get support, not even spiritual support. Where is Biden to mention them? Some even come and say that people who fight or resist the Taliban are war-mongering. No, they fight because they have to fight now, as people have seen that Taliban can’t be trusted. More 150 dead on Kabul airport terrorist attack, human rights abuses etc., happened after Taliban took over Kabul. Worse to happen if Taliban stay.

Taliban attacked Panjsher on 30 August 2021 and tried to enter it but were successfully defeated by local resistance forces. A number of Taliban fighters and local resistance fighters were killed during several fights.

Taliban negotiation is trying to trick Panjsheri resistance and has not been sincere so far. Without Panjsher and other resistance fighters the Taliban would have committed far worse crimes by now for sure. Taliban are frightend, hopefully their worst nightmares becomes true soon. Hopefully the resistance keeps strong and may the martyrs of the resistance enter paradise. Hopefully those politicians who fled the country and didn't resist Taliban will stay out of Afghanistan forever.

Let's not blame the Taliban, they just follow their masters' orders.

 

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Ahmad Massoud gave an e-mail interview to CNN.

I highlight the most important parts:

Bergen: Why are you resisting the Taliban?

Massoud: Unfortunately, the Taliban have not changed, and they still are after dominance throughout the country. We are resisting dominance, intolerance, and oppression brought by one political force over the majority of the population that do not support them. The Taliban will only be accepted if they form an inclusive government with all ethnic groups in the country. Afghanistan is a country made up of ethnic minorities and no one constitutes a majority. It is a multicultural state instead of a nation-state. For this reason, they cannot be allowed to rule the country, and if they have this position, we will resist them. Only in a decentralized state where power is equally distributed between the different ethnic and sectarian groups, can we coexist peacefully. In addition, we believe that democracy, the rights, and freedom of all citizens regardless of race and gender should be preserved.

Bergen: Who is in your force? How many men? What kind of weapons?

Massoud: Our forces are made up of local resistance forces from the Panjshir, local resistance forces from other provinces and the remnants of the former Afghan Army. We have a sufficient amount of equipment at the moment, but we will need assistance to sustain our resistance in the long term.

Bergen: Your father held off nine Soviet offensives and also the Taliban: Are you continuing his legacy?

Massoud: We are trying our best to follow my father's path and to continue his legacy. We are determined to defend our people and region until our last breath, and just as my father fought bravely against the Soviet aggressors and international terrorism, I am resolved to emulate him as much as possible and fight for independence, freedom, democracy, and other values he cherished.

Bergen: What are the Taliban weaknesses, militarily?

Massoud: The Taliban are not as strong as many believe they are. The reason why they took the country was the weakness of the government and the leadership of the Afghan military. Unfortunately, former Afghan President Ashraf Ghani purged the army of generals and officers who knew how to fight the Taliban and who had the will and motivation to fight the enemy. The leadership of the country was another problem. Ashraf Ghani lacked legitimacy, and the masses grew apart from his government in the recent years. Ghani and his national security adviser Hamdullah Mohib's interference in the decision-making process of the Afghan military also weakened the armed forces. They are two individuals who lacked any military training or experience, yet it was they that made the final decisions on war plans.

Bergen: Are you still trying to negotiate with the Taliban?

Massoud: We are always in favor of negotiations, and my father also tried negotiations and peace before resistance. However, just as my father's attempts were not met with sincerity and seriousness, my dialogue with the Taliban so far hasn't resulted in anything tangible. I am not negotiating to be part of the government or to secure a few positions. I am negotiating to see if a political settlement can be achieved that can establish social justice, guarantee equality, rights, and freedom for all and preserve democracy. If the Taliban do not make concessions and continue to believe they can dominate the country, then we will also resist. The last time they pursued dominance, they were faced with five years of resistance.

Bergen: You studied war studies at King's College London, and attended Sandhurst. Did this prepare you for fighting the Taliban?

Massoud: Yes, my time at Sandhurst trained me to fight and plan battles. However, my time at King's College learning War Studies taught me how to avoid war and how to pursue peace as best as I can to avoid bloodshed. But negotiations have their limits and as Clausewitz points out, War is the continuation of politics, and if we face aggression we will be forced to fight and launch resistance to defend our land, people, and values.

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/01/opinions/leader-anti-taliban-resistance-speaks-bergen/index.html

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14 hours ago, Diaz said:

I'm curious what's the goal of countries trying to work with these thugs. 

 

 

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Just now, Meedy said:

I'm curious what's the goal of countries trying to work with these thugs. 

 

 

Well, there is rumors some other countries are joining too. They are trying to accept them. 

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Resistance against the Taliban

The Taliban want to create a new style government, which never existed in Afghanistan before. The posts are likely as follows:

-Supreme leader: Mullah Akhundzada

-President: Mullah Baradar

-other posts will have son of former founder Mullah Omar and other high-ranking Taliban members.

-25 ministries and 12 Taliban "scholars" will be their advisors.

But while all promises of Taliban to form an inclusive government turn out as lies, more and more people resist the Taliban government and beat them with their own weapons:

On 3 September 2021 several groups of Afghan women protested against the new laws of Taliban in Herat and Kabul.

Source (DW - min. 4:00): #https://youtu.be/Zs9cu-LKhu0

Also, the resistance in Panjsher is still holding ground (cp. beginning of the first DW-YT video).

The Taliban haven't realized yet that Afghanistan is an ungovernable country, especially using force. They are now fought with the same weapons they challenged the old Afghan government with. And this is just the beginning, if they continue with their pigheadedness, despite their opponents don't have the same foreign backers, which they had and still have.

Dr. Amin Ahmadi, a member of the Afghan Peace Delegation in Doha, wrote on 12 September 2021 on his Facebook page in response to the formation of a new government by the Taliban:

"Gaining obedience through war is not the right answer

1. In the history of Islam, Yazid tried to gain obedience (Bay'at) from Imam Hussein through force and war and he tried to force him to pledge allegiance, which led to disaster.

2. From a religious point of view, a political problem cannot be solved by imposing war on the opponent and thus committing the crime of murder.

3. Politically, the establishment of lasting peace requires that the history of (former Afghan Kings) Nader Khan and Abdul Rahman Khan are not repeated, and that we do not humiliate each other by trying to impose military defeat upon each other. 

Let us not create grudge and hatred for other ethnicities in this century of information and awareness.

Therefore, reason and religion dictate that the Panjshir problem should be part of a great peace plan, as a result of which Afghanistan is saved from the problem of economic and political sanctions and reaches international recognition. The satisfaction of all groups and social classes, including all Afghan tribes, should be the goal within a system, which follows inclusiveness (of all groups) is achieved, resolved. Violence and war are not the solution to that problem."

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