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On 8/28/2021 at 7:29 PM, lover said:

The following letter of Amrullah Saleh, former Afghan Vice President, was published in German news magazine Der Spiegel.

Source: https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/afghanistan-krise-vizepraesident-amrullah-saleh-wir-ergeben-uns-nicht-a-456b346c-7f61-499e-afa7-a0bc50fa9fb6

It is interesting to note that both Saleh and Massoud (below) have been participating in selected interviews with Western “journalists” and their MSM affiliates. Saleh, like Massoud, is an ethnic Tajik and, along with Massoud and Abdullah Abdullah, is loosely affiliated with the National Coalition of Afghanistan, in Saleh’s case via Basej e-Milli. The NCR, as part of the so-called “Panjshir Resistance,” is now also seeking the Uzbek general Abdul Rashid Dostum’s support.

Well prior to the collapse of the Kabul regime, the U.S. was actively negotiating with Tajikistan and Uzbekistan over the possible hosting/leasing of NATO military bases, a move likely encouraged to undermine the growing rapprochement between the Taliban and China vis-à-vis Pakistan. The attack on Kabul was carried out by Daesh (ISIS)-K, which is now forging an anti-Taliban, anti-China alliance with the Uighur ETIM, the Uzbek IMU, and the Pakistani Taliban (TTP), each of which is tied to al-Qaida as well as Daesh.

Notably, both Hezbollah and Syria recently hailed the fall of Kabul as a defeat for the U.S., and Russia, China, and Iran still maintain their respective embassies in Kabul, while the Taliban have apparently concurred with China on the need for BRI’s investment in Afghanistan, as well as to crack down on al-Qaida-and-Daesh-affiliated groups such as the ETIM, IMU, and TTP, to not mention Daesh (ISIS)-K itself. So the U.S. may try to split the Taliban by sponsoring these Takfiri groups, undermining Pakistan as well as Iran.

On 9/2/2021 at 7:57 AM, lover said:

Maybe the U.S. now wants to manipulate anti-Taliban groups, including ex-Taliban who have joined Daesh et al., into undermining the new government in Kabul, by sponsoring both Tajik/Uzbek separatism in the north and anti-Taliban Wahhabi–Salafi sectarianism elsewhere, including attacks on Shia Hazara that can be blamed on the Taliban. By synergising these forces, the U.S. can undermine stability in Afghanistan, weaken China’s BRI in the region, and also destabilise Russia’s neighbours in Central Asia, as well as weaken both Pakistan and Iran.

On 8/29/2021 at 8:02 PM, lover said:

First laws of Taliban:

-no music (not even halal music) allowed
-separation in university according to sex

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Aren’t the sexes separated in public educational facilities, including higher education, in Iran?

Also, doesn’t Shiism ban all music, given that music, by definition, involves instrumentation?

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2 hours ago, Northwest said:

 

@lover

Aren’t the sexes separated in public educational facilities, including higher education, in Iran?

Also, doesn’t Shiism ban all music, given that music, by definition, involves instrumentation?

1) no

2) no, depending on what Marja you follow. But it is not Nizami.

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Since Pakistan ISI chief Faiz Hameed entered Afghanistan to give the Taliban intelligence advice, it is necessary that Iran enters Afghanistan war as well, as it would be only fair, if Iran enters the war, too. Afghan Tajik, Uzbak, Hazara share same language and culture as Iranians. I hope Iran isn’t coward. At least Iran has condemned Taliban attack on Panjshir, which took place last night.

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Anyways I hope Massoud and Saleh have fled Panjsher/Afghanistan or flee Panjsher by now. Their spokesperson Fahim Dashty has been martyred by Taliban last night.
May God forgive his sins and bring him to Jannah. 
Afghanistanis need Massoud alive, no matter where he lives. It is not courageous to fight a group which has all Sunni nations + China on its side. No one can fight the whole world, not even Afghans.

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2 hours ago, lover said:

if Iran enters the war, too. Afghan Tajik, Uzbak, Hazara share same language and culture as Iranians. I hope Iran isn’t coward

Salam , I totally disagree because if Iran enters to the war then everyone especially  Hazra people will become enemies of Iran in collobration with Taliban because all of Afghan people dislike any foreign intervention even by Iran & they tolerate Taliban as part of Afghan Pashtuns although it's affected by foreign countries likewise Pakistan but at the end it belongs to an Afghan ethnicity however I agree with you that Iran must be more active  & courageous about helping Afghans especially shias whether Hazara or Pashtun or any other shia from any ethnicity  against intervening of Wahabi-zionist backed country or organization in Afghanistan or even Pakistan which one of greatest supporters of Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) & Imam Khameni &Iran trevolution has been martyr Arif Hussaini which he had been a Pashtun shia from Afghanistan also martyr Allamah  Sayed Ismail Balkhi has same opinions likewise Imam  Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) about revoluolution  & unity of sunni & Shia when they have met each during their exile in Najaf , Iraq which he has been only person which Imam Khomeini  (رضي الله عنه) welcomed  him warmly his arrival  to Najaf which they have had a long secret meeting with each other.

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تصاویری از دیدار شهید سیدعارف‌حسین‌ الحسینی با رهبر انقلاب

https://www.yjc.news/fa/news/6621414/تصاویری-از-دیدار-شهید-سیدعارف-حسین--الحسینی-با-رهبر-انقلاب

https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1396/05/14/1483320/عارف-حسینی-فرزند-اندیشه-های-امام-خمینی-ره-در-دل-پاکستان-تصاویر

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ماجرای ملاقات تاریخی شهید سیداسماعیل بلخی با امام خمینی در نجف تصاویر

https://fa.wikishia.net/view/سید_اسماعیل_بلخی

https://www.farsnews.ir/news/13980424000339/ماجرای-ملاقات-تاریخی-شهید-سیداسماعیل-بلخی-با-امام-خمینی-در-نجف-تصاویر

 

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3 hours ago, lover said:

Since Pakistan ISI chief Faiz Hameed entered Afghanistan to give the Taliban intelligence advice, it is necessary that Iran enters Afghanistan war as well, as it would be only fair, if Iran enters the war, too. Afghan Tajik, Uzbak, Hazara share same language and culture as Iranians. I hope Iran isn’t coward. At least Iran has condemned Taliban attack on Panjshir, which took place last night.

I don't agree. Iran is being intelligent and studying the situation to see who ends up in charge of Taliban, if they stay as one government or splinter into different groups fighting each other. Based on recent history, I think Taliban government will split up soon after it is formed with different groups within Taliban fighting with each other for control. So they will do the work for Iran. Then once this happens, some other kind of government will form. I think this is what Iran is waiting for. To go in now, when Taliban is somewhat united will only further unite them against a common enemy, making them stronger. 

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6 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

I don't agree. Iran is being intelligent and studying the situation to see who ends up in charge of Taliban, if they stay as one government or splinter into different groups fighting each other. Based on recent history, I think Taliban government will split up soon after it is formed with different groups within Taliban fighting with each other for control. So they will do the work for Iran. Then once this happens, some other kind of government will form. I think this is what Iran is waiting for. To go in now, when Taliban is somewhat united will only further unite them against a common enemy, making them stronger. 

We are talking about facts. I am no fortune teller to know, whether the Taliban will fight each other or not. Maybe yes, but it is highly probable that it is just a show. They have world intelligence behind them.

Let's talk about facts:

-Pakistan has interfered in a civil war by supporting one side, the Taliban, which is a war crime itself. The whole world is witness of that but neighter UN nor any power objects to that or supports the other side. What would happen, if Iran did that?

-Let's say Taliban fight each other. Till Taliban fight each other they, together with Pakistan, commit more war crimes and crimes against humanity. Till when do people of Afghanistan have to wait and suffer?

6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam , I totally disagree because if Iran enters to the war then everyone especially  Hazra people will become enemies of Iran in collobration with Taliban because all of Afghan people dislike any foreign intervention even by Iran & they tolerate Taliban as part of Afghan Pashtuns although it's affected by foreign countries likewise Pakistan but at the end it belongs to an Afghan ethnicity however I agree with you that Iran must be more active  & courageous about helping Afghans especially shias whether Hazara or Pashtun or any other shia from any ethnicity  against intervening of Wahabi-zionist backed country or organization in Afghanistan or even Pakistan which one of greatest supporters of Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) & Imam Khameni &Iran trevolution has been martyr Arif Hussaini which he had been a Pashtun shia from Afghanistan also martyr Allamah  Sayed Ismail Balkhi has same opinions likewise Imam  Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) about revoluolution  & unity of sunni & Shia when they have met each during their exile in Najaf , Iraq which he has been only person which Imam Khomeini  (رضي الله عنه) welcomed  him warmly his arrival  to Najaf which they have had a long secret meeting with each other.

https://www.yjc.news/fa/news/6621414/تصاویری-از-دیدار-شهید-سیدعارف-حسین--الحسینی-با-رهبر-انقلاب

https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1396/05/14/1483320/عارف-حسینی-فرزند-اندیشه-های-امام-خمینی-ره-در-دل-پاکستان-تصاویر

also 

https://fa.wikishia.net/view/سید_اسماعیل_بلخی

https://www.farsnews.ir/news/13980424000339/ماجرای-ملاقات-تاریخی-شهید-سیداسماعیل-بلخی-با-امام-خمینی-در-نجف-تصاویر

 

All non-Talib Afghanistanians want help now. Don't come with "they don't want foreign interference". Iran thinks better times will come, when it sits around watching like it did in the past weeks?

Iran is on the losing side, not on the winning. Pakistan committed a war crime. Iran has any right to interfere without being condemned by anyone as Pakistan hasn't been. Pakistan helped its people, Iran must help its people. And it has the institutions and the organizations to do so. They should just send weapons and intelligence information like Pakistan does for Taliban. Nothing more.

If Iran doesn't support, I hope Massoud escapes to somewhere like all Afghan politicians did. He fought enough by himself without any help and showed everyone his courage.

 

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Pakistan and Saudi are the mother of terrorism in Middle East. A complete safe haven. It hurts that world gov/countries are starting to recognize these animals/terrorists as Gov of Afghanisan.

I know what's going and going to happen.These days I try not to listen to news. I try to watch some funny stuff as a coping mechanism. Because its hurts knowing situation will get worse. :(:angry:

Just curious we pray for the appearance of Imam Mehdi (AJF)  but we know he may not appear until certain events take place. So question is anyone point of praying for it or it will be counter in our book of good deeds that we prayed for his appearance.

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2 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

afghanistan should have been a soviet republic only way to civilize them 

russians did so much for afghans in 10 yrs and ungrateful mujahideen wrecked it all 

 

The current war in Afghanistan has nothing to do with Russia. Russia left in 1989, USA invaded in 2001. The first 10 years were alright. But after that Afghans paid the price for fighting Iran's war in Syria. They had no choice left as they were migrants in Iran and Iran used them. More than 3000 dead Afghans in Syria, every war has twice the number of injured, let's say 10000 Afghan deaths and injured in Syria, which would conclude to 30000 Afghan participants in Syrian war. The USA made Afghans taste it. The only country which would/could have helped them would be USA. Now it's game over.

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12 hours ago, lover said:

Iran is on the losing side, not on the winning. Pakistan committed a war crime. Iran has any right to interfere without being condemned by anyone as Pakistan hasn't been. Pakistan helped its people, Iran must help its people. And it has the institutions and the organizations to do so. They should just send weapons and intelligence information like Pakistan does for Taliban. Nothing more.

Salam It's just an emotional reaction by you which nobody in sane mind follows such dirty & wrong tactics  which just suits Wahabi-Zionist backed intelligence likewisi ISI which it's difference of Iran with them which Iran wants to solve conflicts of Afghanistan by turning military conlifts into negotiations between all groups & fixing problems by intraAfghan talks instead of fueling military war in favor of any group.

12 hours ago, lover said:

They have world intelligence behind them.

1 hour ago, lover said:

They had no choice left as they were migrants in Iran and Iran used them. More than 3000 dead Afghans in Syria, every war has twice the number of injured, let's say 10000 Afghan deaths and injured in Syria, which would conclude to 30000 Afghan participants in Syrian war. 

same wrong rhetorics  & false information have been said when America then ISIS/Daesh have attacked to Iraq & Syria just to demonize Iran & show America as savior of Iraq & Syria which all efforts of so called world intelligence , Iran & somehow Russia have won the game which at the end all of dirty tactics & games have been repelled back to so called world intelligences despite of all false information which you have mentioned according to MSM & false information on Internet .

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This and that Faiz Hameed visited Afghanistan 1 day before leaders of Panjsher were killed.

Faheem Dashty was killed 1 day after ISI chief visited Taliban. Dashty was a spokesperson, not a fighter or commander, and therefore not on battlefield. His assassination must have happened only by drones. He had his phone with him which was fatal.

Pakistani officials have denied their involvement in Panjsher. But Pakistan, which has been a Taliban supporter in the past, has to prove it wants peace and pluralism in Afghanistan. This can be by influencing its proxy Taliban in Afghanistan. Otherwise I see a direct confrontation between Afghans and Pakistan ahead. Afghans don’t have weapons at the moment but they have the will to fight. Where there is a will, there is a way. But let’s hope it can be solved peacefully.

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Unfortunately Pakistan will deny all the acts.  However Pakistan will never stop interfering in Afghanistan.It will never stop turning afghans against one another. It will never stop supporting Talibans, I can even say they'll never stop supporting terrorism in general.

They'll keep brainwashing Pashtun against others. They will use to Pashtun/Taliban to eliminate dari/farsi language from the whole of country.

Even if its get proven to the whole world. What's the world going to do, nothing. They're not scared of being exposed.

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Don’t trust everything that media is telling you. Some of it is hidden, other malice outright. 
 

War Inc. wants a never ending war wherever and anywhere (including Afghanistan) that includes the special interest in US and Russia pushing for a civil war in Afgh; between Taliban and ISIS-K or between Taliban and Northern Alliance aka Panjsher valley. Weapon sales run 20-30% of their economy.

China, Iran, some CARS, and strangely Pakistan (at least for now) want an inclusive government in Afghanistan that would rule a relatively peaceful, non terror harboring Afghanistan. It goes with the agenda set in SCO nations to make a sustainable trade corridor between China, Pak, Iran, Afghan, all the way to Turkey. 
 

India is a bag holder for now, at risk of losing much of her investments in democratic corrupted western supported ex-government in Afghanistan. India being the member of so called QUAD (Japan, Australia, India, headed by US) being the sea-power is propped as the counterbalance of China and its Belt and Road Initiative. Notice immediately before signing a $400 billion strategic alliance with China, Iran had kicked India out of Chabahr port project. 
 

All in all, you would see a lots of noise and active efforts to foment civil war by the War, Inc. and India in near future. Just watch the news without trusting any one of them. 
 

here’s for giggles, how Indian hateful media made a hanuman (monkey) of themselves. 
https://www.pcgamer.com/au/amp/arma-3-pakistan-footage/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribune.com.pk/story/2318897/brazen-fake-news-leave-indian-media-red-faced%3famp=1

 

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22 hours ago, Meedy said:

Unfortunately Pakistan will deny all the acts.

Pakistani officials are cowards. If they had courage they would at least be honest and admit their crimes and not deny. They could just say we supported the Taliban against Panjsher. The UN is a sellout company, it wouldn’t punish Pakistani officials for their obvious crimes anyways, as it has not punished them so far. So why are they hiding their crimes? What did Faiz Hameed do in Kabul with Taliban, play football?

This at a time when Taliban were stuck in Panjsher and had lost hundreds of fighters. You can call Faiz Hameed a coward, a war criminal or the butcher of Panjsher.

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Despite the fact that Ahmad Shah Massoud, Ahmad Massoud‘s father, fought a bitter war against the Soviets, Russian RT has published a   well-balanced/neutral article about the history of Panjshir from the 80s till today:

“Today, some analysts are predicting the Taliban leadership will have to face similar challenges as they try to control Panjshir and Parwan provinces, and that the conflict in this region may well turn into a drawn-out and violent ordeal.

However, these experts are not considering the fact that, back in the day, Ahmad Shah Massoud’s forces fighting in Panjshir had been equipped with weapons, ammunition, medical supplies, and trained soldiers from several countries that supported the Afghan opposition. In 1982, and during the whole 1979–1989 war period, these were the USA, China, Pakistan (Islamabad basically participated as one of the sides of the conflict), Iran, the Gulf monarchies, and some Western European states.“

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/534388-assasination-mujahid-massoud-panjshir-taliban/

Nonetheless, there is a small chance of winning:

1) by capturing Taliban weapons. 
2) They should also sell Afghanistan natural resources to buy weapons like Taliban intend to sell them to China to get weapons.
3) Hiding from enemy’s drones should be imminent for Panjsher resistance forces. Massoud's father hid himself from Soviet bombardments in the mountains.
4) Most important, Ahmad Massoud‘s resistance is for all Afghans, which is why he has much more popular Afghan support than his father has had.

This is a geo-political war, not a tribal or religious, although Taliban might go into that as well to make look it like one.

 

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An article on why Pakistan is in a rush to seize Panjsher and with it all of Afghanistan:

"Ahmad Idris Rahmani; An Afghan political analyst says the Chinese are in a hurry to fill the vacancy left by US forces at Bagram airport.

Mr. Rahmani wrote on his Facebook page on Saturday, September 11, that the purge operation in Panjshir province was carried out under double pressure from Pakistan, while the majority of Kandahar Taliban leaders did not agree with the military operation.

Asked why the military operation in Panjshir was so hasty, Mr Rahmani added that Pakistan was pressured by China to put pressure on Taliban leaders to resolve the Panjshir issue as soon as possible.

He believes that China has asked Pakistan to break the Panjshir resistance as soon as possible so that Chinese forces can enter Bagram airfield.

According to Rahmani, if there is a "Resistance Front" near Bagram Airport and US military aid pours into Panjshir, the presence of Chinese forces will be seriously endangered.

According to Rahmani, the presence of Chinese forces in Bagram, Afghanistan is important because for the first time the military siege of China by US military bases is being broken."

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Meanwhile Pakistan and its allies, which are the Gulf countries, have changed their methods in warfare. They are buying/trying to buy Afghan influencers to support them.

Communist Persian Afghan-American youtuber Shafie Ayar has called Afghans in Farsi to accept that Pakistan has occupied Afghanistan and called all Afghans to replace the black/red/green Afghan flag with green/white Pakistani and white Taliban flags.

https://youtu.be/MP_CjmTHFl4

No one in Afghanistan hates Pakistani flag or the flag of any other nation. But why should Afghans raise Pakistani flags? People should be careful about influencers. Shafie Ayar has repeatedly said in his videos that he doesn’t believe in Islam.

Meanwhile Afghan girls are forced into marriages with Taliban. Former Afghan 20 year old female chess champion had to marry a Talib who fell in love with her according to German magazine Der Spiegel. They threatened to kill her family members, if she refused:

https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/afghanistan-taliban-kommandeur-und-schachspielerin-ich-konnte-ihn-nicht-abweisen-sonst-bringt-er-alle-um-a-05a87027-3bd8-4e8f-acf8-29d8c624d987

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20 hours ago, lover said:

2) They should also sell Afghanistan natural resources to buy weapons like Taliban intend to sell them to China to get weapons.

Salam this is a totally  wrong idea as an inherited procedure since time of Martyr Ahmad Shah Msous as a short term procedure due to their poor  financial state of Mujahidin in his time  in previous wars  which is very harmful for Afghanistan in long term , in contrast , they must preserve natural resources & relying on their credits & their saving for rainy days likewise luxuries  which are available in houses of leaders of Mujahidin  & their banck accounts in abroad  countries  likewise Swiss.

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4 hours ago, lover said:

Asked why the military operation in Panjshir was so hasty, Mr Rahmani added that Pakistan was pressured by China to put pressure on Taliban leaders to resolve the Panjshir issue as soon as possible.

He believes that China has asked Pakistan to break the Panjshir resistance as soon as possible so that Chinese forces can enter Bagram airfield.

According to Rahmani, if there is a "Resistance Front" near Bagram Airport and US military aid pours into Panjshir, the presence of Chinese forces will be seriously endangered.

According to Rahmani, the presence of Chinese forces in Bagram, Afghanistan is important because for the first time the military siege of China by US military bases is being broken."

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This is interesting, as it implies that the “Panjshir Resistance” was being backed by the U.S., in order to undermine China and its partner Pakistan, in line with the possibility that I mentioned previously. Many members of the “Panjshir Resistance” seem to have strong ties to Western liberal MSM, and the West is currently eager to provoke splits within the Taliban, including by sponsoring Takfiri sectarian elements such as Daesh (ISIS)-K, along with other anti-China, anti-Taliban forces such as the Uighur ETIM, the Uzbek IMU, and the Pakistani Taliban (TTP).

The West is clearly hoping to break up Afghanistan along sectarian, ethnic, and tribal lines, in order to prevent China’s BRI from linking Pakistan, Iran, and Russia’s neighbours via Afghanistan. So maybe the U.S. and its proxies are simultaneously supporting the “Panjshir Resistance” and Takfiri elements in order to facilitate the destabilisation and partition of Afghanistan, thereby undermining the Taliban in Kabul and also creating problems for Afghanistan’s neighbours, while forcing the Taliban to rely more on their old GCC backers than on China.

Clearly, the West is aghast at its defeat in Afghanistan, and resents the fact that China now has more clout than NATO does in Afghanistan, along with the fact that Pakistan is now more fully in China’s orbit than the GCC‘s. This also explains the recent uptick in anti-Chinese terrorism against Chinese-led infrastructure projects in Pakistani Baluchistan (e.g., that which links to the Port of Gwadar, a centrepiece of CPEC). There is nothing the U.S. resents more than the fact that China now has more sway over the Taliban than the GCC.

So the U.S. and Company may for once be manipulating the Uzbek/Tajik forces in the north as well as anti-Taliban, Wahhabi–Salafi, foreign-backed “splinters” in the south, in order to prevent the Taliban from coming under China’s sway, as well as to pressure Pakistan into siding with the GCC as opposed to China. Basically, the U.S. wants to synergise all the anti-Taliban forces in Afghanistan in order to score geopolitical points vs. China and also undermine the growing ties between Pakistan and Iran, while sidelining Russia’s successful role in the region.

So far, however, China and its “friends” seem to be winning the battle vs. the U.S. and its lackeys in Afghanistan. This outcome would be preferable for minorities in Afghanistan, and better for Pakistan, Iran, and Russia, as opposed to the West. The old unipolar Zionist hegemony of the West is dead, and a new multipolar order is de facto ascendant, both regionally and globally. Ironically, China is now the primary champion of free trade and industrial capitalism, not the “woke,” anti-industrial, “cultural-‘Marxist‘” West.

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Dr. Abolfazl Fateh wrote in a note on the Iranian media's stance on the recent events in Afghanistan:

In the Name of God

Dear media colleagues

Greetings and courtesy

In the neighborhood of our dear Iran, these days there are rapid developments that can't be ignored, and which have to potential to affect Iran and the future of the region. It seems that these developments have many complexities and many of its dimensions have not been clarified yet, so taking any approach to this peripheral puzzle requires reflection. At the same time, there are efforts to quickly improve the public opinion towards the Taliban with one-sided and sometimes manipulated information, and to accuse or criticize any critical view of the Taliban. These approaches are astonishing. Every sane person with historical and far-sighted experience acknowledges that the Taliban, no matter how much they have changed and become rational and civilized, has a long way to go before they can become a reliable party!

The Taliban came to power during a long war and, of course, eventually through an agreement with the United States and the support of Pakistan. Of course, the Taliban also had agreements with Iran, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and so on. But whatever these agreements are, they were made against the will of the Afghan people, and Iran does not have a major role in it. There is no need to rely too much on these vague and, of course, fragile agreements, and to give up on everyone in order to welcome or satisfy the Taliban. Experience has shown that currents in the transition period are very different from the period of rule and show many cycles in the path of expansion and consolidation of domination. In addition, the history of the region is full with (stories of) deception, betrayal and strife. Another important point is that if we research the historic happenings of Afghanistan, we will find extremism, deviation, corruption, betrayal, violence and dependence. This harsh heritage will not disappear overnight either! And, of course, the Taliban is not the representative of the Afghan people and is not considered an independent and 100% genuine movement, but has been an affiliated movement so far. Even now, it has an amalgam of the ideas of the Haqqani movement, al-Qaeda and ISIS in its margins, and it is not clear to what extent it wants or can separate its account from them in the long run.

In such a situation, although there is no doubt that we should be happy with the defeat and withdrawal of the United States and NATO from Afghanistan, whose hands are stained with the blood of the nations of the region, we do not have to turn public opinion in favor of the Taliban and thus change their history of violence and bloodshed. Nor is it necessary to sever ties with other currents in Afghanistan, such as the Panjshir and Ahmad Massoud resistance movements and turn them (our) enemies. Among the many millions of immigrants who have been guests of Iran and Pakistan and other places over the years and have returned to their homeland or are still living in Iran and Pakistan and other countries. There are ethnic groups, which share both the same languages and religions (with Iran) and that have been backed by Iran during these difficult years, and who do not have a positive view of the Taliban and have not forgotten the violence of this group (against them), even if their (current) policy might be that of patience and silence. It is not necessary to introduce anyone who is non-Taliban - both in Afghanistan and in Iran - as Zionist and American. And of course, this does not mean unnecessary conflict with the Taliban, which should be seriously avoided.

The seemingly anti-American argument of the Taliban is not the right criterion for allying with it. If so, why have we distanced ourselves from them in these twenty years, or have we not sided with the Soviets in those days since the beginning of the revolution? And if their mere being Muslims is the criterion, why have we had a cultural-political conflict with the deviant current of Wahhabism for decades, and we have paid such a high price because of it. What is the difference between the two in deviant ideas? Comprehensive and reassuring criteria must be met. The media that wants to put all of Iran behind the Taliban, be careful what it does if the Taliban adopt the methods of al-Qaeda and ISIS or Wahhabism tomorrow, or become the tool of this and that and implement the plan of others?

One can have strategic patience and a forward-looking view. Politicians, decision makers and national security officials can take a strategic and far-sighted approach with a strategic view and see the long-term interests of Iran and the Shiites and the people of Afghanistan and the region, take the precautionary approach and take a conditional and step-by-step approach. A kind of dual policy of political contact with the Taliban, while criticizing and pushing it to reform and change it more and more.

Developing such a policy requires us to believe that the people of Afghanistan need an independent and inclusive government. It is one thing for the people to surrender to the Taliban because of the inefficiency and corruption of the Ghani government and for the sake of the US occupation, or for fear of chaos and crimes created by Taliban, and what their choices are. The other thing is what their real will is. Therefore, the Taliban must be taught through various political means to obey the establishment of a national government and to adopt the approach of independence from foreigners, even Pakistan and China. The Taliban must be taught that it has no right to monopolise power and establish tyranny, and that it must respect Afghan men and women and the internal affairs of Afghanistan, including the happenings in Panjshir, and pursue dialogue, and that it has no right to justify violence and genocide. As we have seen during the US presence, the Taliban have repeatedly killed their oppressed people in the name of targeting the Americans or because of remaining silent in the face of American occupation, just as the US has repeatedly killed people in the name of targeting the Taliban. It targeted the oppressed and the unarmed.

 

We know that the East is experiencing a long period of tyranny. From China to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and the UAE, and even in Russia and Turkey, with recurring presidents, democracy has seemed like a joke. The Middle East and its environs are hotbeds of rivalry and sometimes rivalry between governments and regimes that claim different ideological and religious discourses or systems and, ironically, often display the worst aspects of their religion(ideology/madhhab). With the domination of the Taliban, thousands of possible incidents might take place in the name of Islam. It is our duty and we are able to preach moral values, human rights and democracy in any case, and to beware of the day when the Taliban, with its religious and political justifications, may impose black tyranny, beat the people of Afghanistan, including the Shiites, and pull them in dirt and blood.

In such a situation, a pragmatic approach dictates that instead of obstructing and ridiculing the Taliban opposition and critics of official behavior, and instead of clean-washing the Taliban in Iran, it is better to let civil society and public opinion do their work. What is the reason for the silence of civil institutions in such developments, whose cultural and human nature is not less than its political nature? Therefore, there is no need to oppose the gatherings in front of the Pakistani embassy or violently disperse the protesters against Pakistan and the Taliban. There is nothing wrong with informal politics and civil society making their own decision, if official politics agrees with the Taliban for whatever reason, which must be thoroughly explained. In Western countries, which unfortunately support the sovereigns of the region with a double standard, the media do not force them to support these sultans or their dictatorial values. Ironically, they explicitly state that they support these rulers for their own interests, not their values, and at the same time the media will have their own positions, criticisms and revelations towards these governments. Didn't the media rise up against this decision after the brutal assassination of Khashoggi, when the Trump administration tried to cover up Bin Salman? Didn't the media turn against Netanyahu's massacres during the Gaza war, when the US government fully supported Israel? Now, why do we have to face so much turmoil and imposition in the political and media environment due to the sudden shift in the position of official or partisan groups in Iran towards the Taliban?

It is a strange and new habit that some of us change our positions overnight and we want everyone to be like this and if we reach a result in the slums, everyone will be obedient. While the elites should be the voice of the people, the voice of oppression, the voice of humanity and the voice of freedom. This situation may be due to the double standard.

The dialogue approach is the right one, both domestically and internationally, and should be pursued. Dialogue is not just a method, it has effects. But when dialogue with the Taliban is accepted with that dark record, but dialogue is prohibited at the domestic or other international levels, or when the Taliban is properly invited to the inclusive national government, but within the majority of the people and the candidates are elected. They will be deprived, or when the Taliban are excommunicated until yesterday and made a saint overnight, and when the Panjshiris are national heroes until yesterday and today they are traitors, Americans and separatists! Like its domestic example, where the import of vital vaccine products was forbidden to some until yesterday and is a symbol of arrogance and lawful today; The result of such behaviors is a very strong distrust of the approaches and positions and approaches of the government and the polarization of society, the effects of which are also evident in a vital issue such as Afghanistan.

Let's skip and get to the heart of the matter; No official institution in Iran agrees with military intervention in Afghanistan. However, there are serious and deep differences on the issue of how to adopt political, cultural and media positions that guarantee the long-term national interests of Iran, the interests of the Shiites, Islam, the people of Afghanistan and the region.

From Herat to Kabul and the people of Panjshir and the people of other parts of Afghanistan will be our neighbors forever, so in any case we must support the people of Afghanistan and treat governments appropriately. In this direction, we need to take a smarter approach at all levels, using the perspective of a wider range of elites, as well as a more open and independent media space that can represent all internal discourses.

I am skeptical of the large amount of weapons that were deliberately given to the Taliban, but I personally am not too worried about the Taliban's threat or security impact on Iran, because, thank God, Iran's capable and intelligent military forces will not allow them such move. Also the Taliban can't allow enmity with its neighbors as they will be economically dependent on them.

It is feared that in order to justify the official policy, may God forbid, media might fall into the trap of justifying the Taliban and to clean-wash the face of this organization. It is feared that some people will gradually become not only savages, but also followers of the discourse, behavior, and approach of the Taliban and their emirate officials, which, unfortunately, we have already seen in the background, and the approach of those who believe that victory is achieved through (exposing people to) fear. Those who do not tolerate the slightest protest, and excommunicate anyone other than themselves, and justify violence and genocide. Those who consider values, civil and human rights, the constitution, legitimate freedoms, privacy, elite thinking, and elections as a joke or a one-sided game merely to impose their power! If God forbid this happens, this is the danger of a great threat to Shiism and a danger to the identity for Iran.

Peace be upon you and may God have mercy on you and bless you

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Sunday, September 12, 1400

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12 hours ago, lover said:

The Taliban must be taught that it has no right to monopolise power and establish tyranny, and that it must respect Afghan men and women and the internal affairs of Afghanistan, including the happenings in Panjshir, and pursue dialogue, and that it has no right to justify violence and genocide.

Didn't the media rise up against this decision after the brutal assassination of Khashoggi, when the Trump administration tried to cover up Bin Salman? Didn't the media turn against Netanyahu's massacres during the Gaza war, when the US government fully supported Israel? Now, why do we have to face so much turmoil and imposition in the political and media environment due to the sudden shift in the position of official or partisan groups in Iran towards the Taliban?

To be brutally frank, Iran should not fall into the false dichotomy that the Western liberal Establishment is presenting: either the Taliban or postmodernist “woke” degeneracy. The Taliban and “woke” are two sides of the same proverbial coin, funded and backed by the same “hidden hands.” The problem with many critiques of the Taliban is that they sound more like Western agitprop than anything from an Islamic or even social-conservative background. During the twenty-year-long NATO-led occupation of Afghanistan, the “post-Taliban” puppet regime in Kabul, while secretly coddling the Taliban and Co. vs. Shias (and everyone else), sought to divide the population into Taliban supporters and anti-Islamic liberal reformists.

For example, during the late 1990s many people criticised the Taliban for banning musical instrumentation and heroin, when according to my research Islam seemingly bans both of these. Western feminist influence also seemed particularly strong under both Karzai and Ghani, both of whom patronised liberal Western journalists and NGOs. (Of course, those same Western journalists and organisations always found ways to justify the Taliban as well when the “chips were down.”) So much of the anti-Taliban discourse revolves around Western liberal constructs such as feminist views of women’s rights, music, alcohol, dress codes, and so on. Very little attention is focussed on the Taliban’s crimes against Shia Hazara and other non-Taliban, non-Pashtun minorities, nor is much of an effort made to criticise the Taliban from an Islamic rather than Western liberal worldview.

As a mere outsider looking in, I find Iranian media’s perspectives on the Taliban to be very inconsistent and contradictory, much like Iran’s dealings with allegedly “moderate” Sunni Islamists such as the Ikhwanis (Muslim Brothers) and their ilk such as Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdoğan (AKP). Quite frankly, all too often outlets such as PressTV et al. merely sound like the Democratic Party’s overseas apparatus, with its support for the Sunni Ikhwanis as a supposed “alternative” to Daesh et al., even though the MB’s fronts, including the Turkish-based “FSA,” served as conduits for Western/Zionist arms to those very Takfiri outfits in Libya, Syria, Egypt, et al. One also sees all the usual anti-Trump talking points and mindless support for BLM/ANTIFA, open borders in the West, etc. even though those very groups/agendas tie in with anti-Islamic globalist forces, including Sunni Takfiri and Zionist, that are no less dangerous to Iran.

For example, very few Iranian sources have have mentioned Khashoggi’s very close ties to the CIA/MI6/Mossad, pro-Ikhwani Saudi factions, Turkey/Qatar, Osama bin Laden (the West’s Operation CYCLONE in Afghanistan), and other anti-Shia, sectarian, Wahhabi–Salafi circles for decades prior to his “assassination.” Yet in the geopolitical maelstrom Khashoggi has seemingly been turned into some sort of saintly martyr vs. the evil Saudis, even though he was always tied to the Western liberal Establishment and MIC through Soros and Bezo’s pro-Clinton/-Obama rag The Washington Post, which is hardly any less Zionist—arguably more homogeneously so—than the less influential pro-Trump factions within the bipartisan U.S. elite. One would think that Iranian media would be less Westernised and naïve, but for whatever reason that does not seem to be the case.

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There are sad news about Hazara of Daikundi from yesterday.
Thousands of the inhabitants of Daikundi are forced to leave their homes by the extremists within 9 days.

https://youtu.be/yJADLC_GlfY

All of my concerns and predictions about Taliban have come true, unfortunately. The politics of ethnic cleansing goes on. Worse is to come, if Taliban are not pressured.

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13 hours ago, Northwest said:

As a mere outsider looking in, I find Iranian media’s perspectives on the Taliban to be very inconsistent and contradictory, much like Iran’s dealings with allegedly “moderate” Sunni Islamists such as the Ikhwanis (Muslim Brothers) and their ilk such as Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdoğan (AKP). Quite frankly, all too often outlets such as PressTV et al. merely sound like the Democratic Party’s overseas apparatus

Hi ,  It's because Iranian  writer of above article is one of masterminds  of reformist  party of Iran as head of propagandists of   "Green movement "  which people likewise him have great influence  on International  Iranian media likewise PressTV ,so therefore you can see their viewpoint  likewise supporting  Ikhwanis & Erdogan  by reformist party  as "Moderate Sunnis" in name of Iran viewpoint  about them however majority viewpoint  in Iran about Ikhwanis is toleration of them until they are a treat for Shias which you can't find any Iranian who endorses  Erdogan except few panturks which you can find few of them between authorities  especially between  so called reformists

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News package of Afghan Voice Agency Tuesday - 2021 14 September

https://avapress.com/en/239660/News-package-of-Afghan-Voice-Agency-Tuesday-2021-14-September

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Latest Updates on Afghanistan, 12 September 2021

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1- Statement of the Virtual Meeting of the Foreign Ministers of the six neighboring countries of Afghanistan:
After the complete withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan, the people of Afghanistan must determine their future.
It has also been agreed that these meetings will continue in rotation and the next meeting will be held in Tehran.

2- The meeting of the heads and representatives of the intelligence agencies of Russia, China, Iran, Pakistan and some Central Asian countries on the security issues of Afghanistan has been held in Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan.

3- A Qatari government delegation led by Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Rahman Al-Thani arrived in Kabul and met with Taliban officials.

4- Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry denies military involvement in the Panjshir war.

5- Russia announced its non-participation in the announcement ceremony of the Taliban government.

6- Clashes between Taliban militants and Pakistani forces at the Spin Boldak border crossing in Kandahar province resulted in the wounding of a number of forces on both sides.

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https://english.iswnews.com/20466/latest-updates-on-afghanistan-12-september-2021/

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Remember when I said, in my previous post that Taliban will most likely disintegrate into fighting amoung themselves. Here is a sign that this is already happening

https://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-taliban-leaders-bust-presidential-184606129.html

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Afghan women who are desperate because they are not allowed to work according to Taliban new laws protest for their right to work:

https://youtu.be/dAWjU0avf44

Note that these women are so much intimidated that only after some time one woman is ready to talk.

She says they have to work because they are the only breadwinners in family:

-some are widows

-some are wives of drug addicts (who don't work)

They have acquired education to work and earn money for their family but they are not allowed to.

They say death is better than this life.

Note that maximum 5-10% of Taliban's crimes in Afghanistan can be published online or on media at the moment, because outside of big Afghan cities people get flogged for protesting, get killed, the internet gets blocked, people are photographed, mobile phones are getting confiscated/destroyed etc. Still Amnesty International has reported of massive human rights abuses by the Taliban:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2021/09/afghanistan-suppression-of-protests-at-odds-with-talibans-claims-on-human-rights/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/09/afghanistan-continued-presence-of-un-mission-essential-to-monitor-and-report-on-abuses/

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/un-rights-chief-rebukes-taliban-over-treatment-women-2021-09-13/

and day by day it gets worse, since the Taliban improve their surveillance system and pictures/videos taken by Afghans won't be able to be shared.

Meanwhile the destruction of Afghan cultural heritage is destroyed by the enemies of Afghan people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz5VtVs-ZOo

Yesterday the historic fort of Greshk was destroyed by the Taliban, a historic wall which is not even anti-Islamic at all:

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Destruction lies in the culture of some nations ...

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On 9/17/2021 at 8:56 AM, lover said:

Afghan women who are desperate because they are not allowed to work according to Taliban new laws protest for their right to work:

https://youtu.be/dAWjU0avf44

Note that these women are so much intimidated that only after some time one woman is ready to talk.

She says they have to work because they are the only breadwinners in family:

-some are widows

-some are wives of drug addicts (who don't work)

They have acquired education to work and earn money for their family but they are not allowed to.

They say death is better than this life.

Salam this statement only have been stated only by one of senior members of Taliban which until now has not been confirmed  by rest of Taliban leaders which until now they have promised limited education & working outside of house by women but by being reactionary based on distorted news & information  in social media will push Taliban to total banning of ecucation & emplyment of women likewise previous tims .

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A Taliban figure: Afghan women should not work alongside men
A senior Afghan Taliban figure said Afghan women were not allowed to work alongside men.

ISNA reported, quoting Reuters :Wahidullah Hashemi, a senior Taliban figure close to the group's leadership, said the Taliban despite the international pressure to allow Afghan women to work in the jobs they wanted, , Is seeking for   perfect excution of Sharia  and Islamic law; This trend will mean that women will not be able to work in jobs such as government offices, banks, media and such jobs.

Ever since the Taliban came to power in Afghanistan on August 15 this year, officials of the militant group have said that women can study and work under Sharia Islamic law.

But there have been rumors that these promises will come true. When the Taliban came to power in Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001, women were barred from employment and education. For this reason, with the re-emergence of this militant group in Afghanistan, these two issues have received special attention from the international community and could affect the financial and other assistance provided to Afghanistan.

"We have been fighting for 40 years to bring the Islamic Sharia system to Afghanistan," Hashemi said. The law does not allow men and women to work together or to be under the same roof. Men and women cannot work together. This is clear. We do not allow them to come to our offices and work in our ministries.

It is vague  which statements of this man whether  reflection of policies of new government  of Afghanistan or not because these statements are beyond from official and public  statements  of other Taliban authorities .

Following the Taliban takeover of Kabul, Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told reporters that women make up an important part of society and should work in different sectors.

He also said that female employees could return to their jobs in Afghan offices.

Hashemi added that bans are imposed on women in sectors such as banks and the media. Communication between men and women outside the home is only possible under certain conditions, and there are exceptions, for example, to see a male doctor.

He continued: "Women can also study and work in medical fields and related occupations." We need women in the medical and educational sectors. We have to separate their institutions, for example, we must have separate hospitals, schools, libraries and universities for women.

https://www.isna.ir/news/1400062316810/یکی-از-چهره-های-طالبان-زنان-افغان-نباید-در-کنار-مردان-کار-کنند

https://www.asriran.com/fa/news/803014/مقام-ارشد-طالبان-زنان-نباید-در-کنار-مردان-کار-کنند

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Addendum 

EXCLUSIVE Afghan women should not work alongside men, senior Taliban figure says

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-afghan-women-should-not-work-alongside-men-senior-taliban-figure-says-2021-09-13/

Afghan women forced from banking jobs as Taliban take control

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Fighters from the group walked into the offices of Azizi Bank in the southern city of Kandahar and ordered nine women working there to leave.

The gunmen escorted them to their homes and told them not to return to their jobs. Instead, they explained that male relatives could take their place, according to three of the women involved and the bank's manager.

"It's really strange to not be allowed to get to work, but now this is what it is," Noor Khatera, a 43-year-old woman who had worked in the accounts department of the bank told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-women-bankers-forced-roles-taliban-takes-control-2021-08-13/

Women can continue working in Afghan government, say Taliban
Official says positions will be filled on merit, but in cabinet and senior posts ‘there may not be women’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/01/women-can-continue-working-in-afghan-government-say-taliban

Evidence contradicts Taliban’s claim to respect women’s rights

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/03/afghanistan-women-defiant-amid-taliban-crackdown

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On 9/17/2021 at 8:56 AM, lover said:

Note that maximum 5-10% of Taliban's crimes in Afghanistan can be published online or on media at the moment, because outside of big Afghan cities people get flogged for protesting, get killed, the internet gets blocked, people are photographed, mobile phones are getting confiscated/destroyed etc. Still Amnesty International has reported of massive human rights abuses by the Taliban:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2021/09/afghanistan-suppression-of-protests-at-odds-with-talibans-claims-on-human-rights/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/09/afghanistan-continued-presence-of-un-mission-essential-to-monitor-and-report-on-abuses/

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/un-rights-chief-rebukes-taliban-over-treatment-women-2021-09-13/

Although we can't  receive full news from Afghanistan  but if I were you , I wouldn't  trust to Amnesty's news  because it distorts information  based on their viewpoint  rather than providing trustful information which multiple time Amnesty.org has been accused Iran to violation  of human rights in coordination  with claims of Mike pompeo & Trump & Zionist without doing examination of sources & searching for truth.

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5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Although we can't  receive full news from Afghanistan  but if I were you , I wouldn't  trust to Amnesty's news  because it distorts information  based on their viewpoint  rather than providing trustful information which multiple time Amnesty.org has been accused Iran to violation  of human rights in coordination  with claims of Mike pompeo & Trump & Zionist without doing examination of sources & searching for truth.

Posting this is one thing trusting everything is another. Concerning Afghanistan those reports seem very true and confirm local reports.

Nonetheless no human rights organization is needed so far to confirm that the Taliban has already returned Afghanistan to the time between 1996 and 2001.

No education and jobs for women, no inclusive government, draconic punishment for small "crimes", etc. The list is endless. And this is just the beginning.

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Eventually The world/Media will forget about Afghanistan as they focus on their new target e.g. getting 3rd vaccine shot, US/Aus/Uk alliance against china&Russia.

Pakistani people  defending their country despite its history and on going interference in Afghanistan.

The childish behavior of Afghani Adults - E.g. if War is over and Afghan are in charge. They'll continue to be corruption (for example, you fill a form and return to the department in regard to something like passport. The person who gets it, after you're gone, may throw in the bin or the officer in charge of processing the form, may reject or throw it away) << All this either because person doesn't like other person's ethnic, religious background, would've done it if person gave them some money etc. This can be said about the other departments of Gov.

Or you will have officials putting their families/relatives/friends in charge of positions.

Or they complain oh why hazaras are in charge of this  Or if something goes wrong, they blame the whole people of ethnics

The Irish, The Scottish,  The Wales and The British - Same languages, similar religions or different sector of Christianity. All of them live peacefully, get along well with another, does not care whether you Catholic, Orthodox or Atheists.

And Look at us, seriously.   I think we all can writes essays and books about the things that wrong in our countries, cultures etc.

 

 

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On 8/19/2021 at 1:40 AM, Abu Hadi said:

Some people got really rich. It wasn't any of us. 

It came from US and went to US. Your govt. took it from tax payers and payed it to the rich corporates. 

Yes, offcourse they were ok to create some mess in Afghanistan.

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5 hours ago, Meedy said:

The Irish, The Scottish,  The Wales and The British - Same languages, similar religions or different sector of Christianity. All of them live peacefully, get along well with another, does not care whether you Catholic, Orthodox or Atheists.

Salam maybe It's look like that they are looking peaceful  at first but on the other hand they hide their hate from each other under a peaceful mask but still British white supermacists have their clash with IRA members of Irland which even now Protestants & Catholics in Irland have their dominated regions &  invisible borders within themselves even if they live in one town  their regions  even if in similar fashion small groups in Wales & Scotland have a secret war with British white supermacists but  BBC as main media of that region denies  & hides racism & their clashs with each other by labeling these things likewise “right wing” or “counter-protestors” or clash between hooligans  for censoring reality of their civil wars with each other .

The U.K. Media’s Unwillingness To Address Racism & White Supremacy

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The BBC, supposedly a bastion of non-bias reporting, chose to represent those gathered as “demonstrators” in their headline – only admitting the inclusion of “some far-right activists” in the main body of their article. Furthermore, nowhere in the BBC’s article is the word ‘racist’ used explicitly by the author, unless safely distanced in someone else’s quoted speech. Also unmentioned is the prevalence of Nazi salutes, tattoos, and iconography among those that the BBC blandly labels “right wing” “counter-protestors.” Many people, especially older people, live without access to the echo-chambers of social media where the videos of these overt racist and Nazi sentiments are circulating. For those who rely on the mainstream media for all their news, a dangerously disingenuous picture is being painted.

https://theowp.org/the-u-k-medias-unwillingness-to-address-racism-white-supremacy/

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The crowds gathered under the guise of protecting monuments from vandalism by the BLM protestors. However, with these protests cancelled, the crowd quickly turned on the police – who, ironically, were also there to protect the monuments. Violence was also directed at members of the media and general public, as groups roamed London in search of fights. Widespread public drinking and drug use were reported from early in the morning, as chants of ‘Rule Britannia’ mixed freely with Nazi salutes directed at the cenotaph.

Similar anti-BLM ‘counter-demonstrations’ took place in Belfast, Bristol, Glasgow, and Newcastle.

The response by British media has been predictably apologist. With the occasional exception, such as this Guardian article, the racist mobs have been treated to various appeasing labels. There seems a reluctance to explicitly identify this behaviour as the racism and white supremacy which it clearly is.

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Ireland: An Island Divided 

Northern Ireland

Ireland is split between the Republic of Ireland (predominantly Catholic) and Norther

n Ireland (predominantly Protestant). When a powerhouse like England plants s

ettlers (like Scottish Protestants) to claim land, centuries of troubles ensue. Visiting Northern Ireland helps visitors sort out — and learn from — this sad story.

The Troubles - Wikipedia Racial hate crime has overtaken sectarian hate crime for the first time in  Northern Ireland - Belfast Livehttps://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/racial-hate-crime-overtaken-sectarian-15239580

Brexit warning signs from Northern Ireland must not be ignored – Brian Wilson

A Loyalist paramilitary mural pictured in Belfast, Northern Ireland, in January (Picture: Charles McQuillan/Getty Images)

A Loyalist paramilitary mural pictured in Belfast, Northern Ireland, in January (Picture: Charles McQuillan/Getty Images)

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/brexit-warning-signs-from-northern-ireland-must-not-be-ignored-brian-wilson-3156059

The UDA's "close association with sectarian violence" dictated that British ministers should not meet members of the organisation even to discuss a recent document advocating power-sharing.

This is revealed in previous confidential files released in Belfast under the new `20-Year Rule'.

http://www.irishnews.com/picturesarchive/irishnews/irishnews/2015/08/21/231206426-d6450f52-871d-4c3f-888f-632b37178693.jpg

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2015/08/22/news/uda-closely-associated-with-sectarian-violence-237033/

 

Brexit reignites conflict between Catholics and Protestants

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/brexit-reignites-conflict-between-catholics-and-protestants-in-ireland-116697157521

Government to ban white supremacist group in the UK

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The Home Secretary has asked Parliament to proscribe Atomwaffen Division, which is a predominantly US-based white supremacist group that celebrates and promotes the use of violence in order to bring about a fascist, white ethno-state by means of a ‘race war’.

Home Secretary Priti Patel said:

Vile and racist white supremacist groups like this exist to spread hate, sow division and advocate the use of violence to further their sick ideologies.

I will do all I can to protect young and vulnerable people from being radicalised which is why I am taking action to proscribe this dangerous group.

The terrorist group has inspired other loosely affiliated groups abroad, including Feuerkrieg Division, which the UK proscribed as a terrorist organisation in July 2020.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-ban-white-supremacist-group-in-the-uk

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18 hours ago, Meedy said:

Eventually The world/Media will forget about Afghanistan as they focus on their new target e.g. getting 3rd vaccine shot, US/Aus/Uk alliance against china&Russia.

Pakistani people  defending their country despite its history and on going interference in Afghanistan.

The childish behavior of Afghani Adults - E.g. if War is over and Afghan are in charge. They'll continue to be corruption (for example, you fill a form and return to the department in regard to something like passport. The person who gets it, after you're gone, may throw in the bin or the officer in charge of processing the form, may reject or throw it away) << All this either because person doesn't like other person's ethnic, religious background, would've done it if person gave them some money etc. This can be said about the other departments of Gov.

Or you will have officials putting their families/relatives/friends in charge of positions.

Or they complain oh why hazaras are in charge of this  Or if something goes wrong, they blame the whole people of ethnics

The Irish, The Scottish,  The Wales and The British - Same languages, similar religions or different sector of Christianity. All of them live peacefully, get along well with another, does not care whether you Catholic, Orthodox or Atheists.

And Look at us, seriously.   I think we all can writes essays and books about the things that wrong in our countries, cultures etc.

 

 

The problem of Muslim countries is that they prefer social class and ethnicity over qualificaton. The West doesn't have good politicians. But they have good laws. People are not prevented from working. Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim all are allowed to work according to their qualifications more or less. But in many Muslim countries people are prevented from practicing a qualified job. Look, someone asked me here why I quoted from non-Muslim human rights organization. Where is a Muslim human rights organization or source, which I can quote? Taliban ask the same unbelievers/USA, which they threaten to fight, to help them, because they aren't capable to govern. But if they are incapable to govern, why don't they step down?

Meanwhile Afghan women protest against Taliban law which prevents them from work.

And the West will help Taliban financially without questioning theit way of governance. And without questioning the way they came to power by force and terrorism, killing thousands of Afghans in recent months and many more throughout all the years.

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