Collapse of Afghanistan

[Northwest]

36 minutes ago, Mahdavist said:

Now that they finally left...

They have not actually left, but merely outsourced—to players such as Turkey and its satellites.

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By Brandon Turbeville

Uyghur Terror Networks Span Continents, Have Root In Turkey and NATO.

...the connection between Turkey and Chinese Uyghurs that Turkish intelligence is able to grasp onto in order to create, maintain, and direct Uyghur terrorist organizations.

Operation Gladio, a NATO plan that was allegedly drafted in order to deal with a potential Soviet invasion of Europe, involved the creation of terrorist “stay behind” networks in order to create a guerrilla style resistance to Soviet invasion and occupation. ...

Turkey was no exception to this rule and, out of Gladio, the terrorist network known as the “Grey Wolves” appeared, with the aid, supervision, and direction of NATO.

“By the late 1970s, the Gray Wolves...fought a campaign against leftist rivals that killed nearly 6,000 people. Ali Agca, who shot Pope John Paul II in a 1981 assassination attempt, is alleged to have been affiliated with the party.”

Turkish intelligence not only maintained their operations in Turkey but extended them to China’s Xinjang amongst other locations in Eurasia. The Grey Wolves “pan-Asian” movement represents both a cooperative attempt with the rest of NATO intelligence to subjugate all other potential rivals (China, Russia, etc.) as well as a feeble and futile attempt on the part of the Turkish elite to re-establish the Ottoman Empire.

...as jihadist forces organized by NATO, GCC, Israel, and Turkey have begun flooding into Syria from locations all across the world, the Uyghur contingent was not far behind.

Syria is victim to Uyghur terrorist groups such as the Turkistan Islamic Party (TIP). The TIP has proudly posted pictures of “little jihadists,” small children being trained in al-Qaeda training camps based in “rebel”-held territory in Idlib. TIP maintains at least two training camps in Syria – one for children and one for adults. The TIP is active in China, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

“It also helped overrun several important towns and villages in the strategic Al Ghab plain with Jund al Aqsa and two Uzbek groups, Katibat al Tawhid wal Jihad, an al Qaeda affiliate, and the Imam Bukhari Jamaat, which has pledged allegiance to Mullah Akhtar Mansour of the Taliban.”

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High-ranking officials from the Bush Administration named in her testimony, as part of the criminal conspiracy on behalf of agents of the Government of Turkey, include (Zionists – ed.) Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Marc Grossman, and others.

During the deposition --- which we are still going through ourselves --- Edmonds discusses covert "activities" by Turkish entities "that would involve trying to obtain very sensitive, classified, highly classified U.S. intelligence information, weapons technology information, classified Congressional records...recruiting key U.S. individuals with access to highly sensitive information, blackmailing, bribery."

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...disclosing highest level 5 protected U.S. intelligence and weapons 6 technology information both to Israel and to 7 Turkey.

Turkish and Israeli run intelligence network

some of the largest Israeli lobby groups 15 with the entities such as ATC and also the 16 Turkish diplomatic community and how they 17 actually trained and make it possible for the 18 Turkish lobby and these entities to do it. 19 they had training period in '96 and '98 from 20 individuals that were sent to them from both 21 AIPAC and JINSA, both the lobbying, but also on 22 covering the money track

”radical ‘Islam’” and militizing 9 (phonetic) these very, very young, from the 10 age 14, 15, by commandoes they use, and this 11 is both commandoes from Turkish military, 12 commandoes from Pakistani ISI in Central Asia 13 and Azerbaijan

Up until 1999, the Turkish 17 government, also paramilitary units in Central 18 Asia, they operated under the groups that call 19 themselves Gray Wolves

some of our people 6 involved in foreign policy, they supported the 7 “Islamic” movements

Saudi 13 Arabia and Turkey jointly were doing certain 14 things here in the United States, but also 15 outside the United States.

...operations and 14 practices included “Islamization” of certain 15 segments of those Turkic nations, Uzbekistan, 16 Turkmenistan, Tajikistan.

mujahideen from 22 Afghanistan and Pakistan into Central Asia

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Edited July 18, 2021 by Northwest

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 7/17/2021 at 1:05 PM, Meedy said:

They recently requested from tribal leaders to give them women/girls over 15 for the purpose of sexual jihad.

Salam what I has found even in Hazara channel is promoting  forced marriage of women/girls over 15 by Taliban & fear of all Afghan families from it however Daesh/ISIS infilitrators among Taliban are following  their   dirty & terrorist  purposes among Them .

On 7/17/2021 at 1:05 PM, Meedy said:

The Afghan Army is weak, it wouldn't even stand against Mexican/Southern American Gang groups. The army is weak because it does not have the resources to fight, the government could not careless about the army. The terrorists on the other hand have support of paksitan/Saudi/Us/Israell who send them soldiers and weapons.

The main problem of Afghan Army is treason of commanders  & government  not having resources which in similar fashion It has happened  at beggining  of Saddam-Iran war which due treason of Bani Sadr the president  of Iran by stopping sending  any resourses to front lines   & spying terrorism  of MKO terrorists in favor of cursed Saddam at start of war although  of sacrifices of all defenders whether Iran Aramy or Basij & Irgc & rest of defender civilians  ,Saddam army could conquer Khoramshahr but on the other hand after removing  Bani Sadr & weakening  MKO terrorist  as his main supporter we could  take back KhoramShahr althoutgh of our lack of resources  until end of war which even we could make progress in land of Iraq by Help of Allah & unity & high courage which in recent years some books about presence  of Afghan volunteers in supportive lines has been published  under category  of memoirs  of holy defense ,by the same token , presence  of Fatemiyoun in defending of holy shrines but unfortunately  govt of Afghanistan  categories  Fatemiyoun or any Afghan shia resistance  group which they have enough courage for defending Afghanistan &  receiving   support from Iran  as terrorists however It's probable  that there will be ojection in Iran about helping Afghans under influence  of propganda  of wasting wealth of Iranians  in Afghanistan during current  economic  hardship  for Iran   by the same token ,  spreading hatred from Iran under pretext of interfering  of Iran in Afghanistan  so Ghani's govt doesn't  give any support to army Hazaras in wishful  thinking of receiving  funds from USA which even USA gives fund to govt it just will waste due corruption  of majority of officials  of Afghanistan .

[Meedy]

I agree with you everything you said and its true.

[Ashvazdanghe]

UN: Afghan war enters deadlier phase

August 7, 2021/in All News, Asia-Pacific, Featured 1, Other News /

SHAFAQNA- The UN special envoy for Afghanistan on Friday warned that War in Afghanistan is entering a deadlier and more destructive phase with more than 1,000 civilians killed in the past month during a Taliban offensive. “This is now a different kind of war, reminiscent of Syria, recently, or Sarajevo, in the not-so-distant past,” Lyons said.

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“To attack urban areas is to knowingly inflict enormous harm and cause massive civilian casualties. Nonetheless, the threatening of large urban areas appears to be a strategic decision by the Taliban, who have accepted the likely carnage that will ensue,” she said, France 24 reported.

The Taliban control large swathes of the countryside and are now challenging Afghan government forces in several large cities, including Herat, near the western border with Iran, as well as Lashkar Gah and Kandahar in the south. The Taliban on Friday captured their first provincial capital since launching an offensive to coincide with the departure of foreign troops. The war has increasingly spilled into the capital Kabul too, with the Taliban shooting dead the head of the Afghan government’s media information on Friday, according to AlJazeera.

https://en.shafaqna.com/224934/un-afghan-war-enters-deadlier-phase/

US Embassy in Kabul: Hazaras are always target of purposeful killings by ISIS and Taliban

August 3, 2021/in All News, Featured 1, Other News /

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SHAFAQNA- The US Embassy in Afghanistan has warned of the continuing killing of Hazaras by extremist groups in the country.

The Washington embassy in Kabul wrote on its official Facebook page: “Hazara citizens in Afghanistan have always been the target of purposeful attacks and killings by ISIS and the Taliban.” “We have received reports of the killing of more than 40 civilians in the Malistan District of Ghazni Province. If confirmed, it would be considered a war crime and could be part of a human rights violation,” the embassy wrote.

Members of the People’s Council of Malistan District in Ghazni in southern Afghanistan say Taliban forces have attacked the area, killing more than 40 people and displacing 3,000 families.

This news is originally published by Shafaqna Persian and translated by Shafaqna English

https://en.shafaqna.com/224447/us-embassy-in-kabul-hazaras-are-always-target-of-purposeful-killings-by-isis-and-taliban/

Taliban attacks could pose “existential crisis” for Afghan government: Watchdog

August 1, 2021/in All News, Featured 3, Other News /

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SHAFAQNA- A surge in Taliban attacks could pose an “existential crisis” for Afghan government, a watchdog report said Thursday. The report said Taliban attacks on Afghan targets surged from 6,700 in the three months up to the Doha agreement to 13,242 in the September-November 2020 period.

Attacks have stayed above 10,000 in each subsequent three-month period, according to the report by the US Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR). The SIGAR report makes clear that the Doha agreement, instead of propelling Taliban-Kabul talks, unleashed an offensive that caught government forces unprepared and increased the number of civilian deaths, France24 reported.

https://en.shafaqna.com/224179/taliban-attacks-could-pose-existential-crisis-for-afghan-governmen[Edited Out]chdog/

1659 civilians killed in Afghanistan in first half of 2021

July 27, 2021/in All News, Asia-Pacific, Featured 1, Other News /

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SHAFAQNA– According to the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA), 1,659 civilians were killed and 3,254 others were injured in Afghanistan in the first half of this year (2021), which shows an increase of 47% compared to the same period last year. UNAMA also documented deliberate sectarian attacks on Hazara Shias.

According to statistics, 32% of civilian casualties in mid-2021 are children and 14% are women.

 

UNAMA says there is serious concern that the sharp rise in civilian casualties began on May 1. According to the agency, the number of civilian casualties in May and June was a total of 783 killed and 1,609 injured, the highest death toll since 2009.

“I urge the Taliban and the leaders of Afghanistan to consider the horrific process of conflict and its devastating effects on civilians,” said Deborah Lyons the UN Secretary-General’s Special Representative for Afghanistan.

She added that the report provides a clear warning that an unprecedented number of civilians will be killed and maimed this year if escalating violence is not stopped.

The UN envoy called on the Taliban and Afghan leaders to “intensify efforts at the negotiating table and prevent an Afghan-Afghan war.”

Resumption of targeted attacks against Hazara Shias

Responsibility for civilian casualties

According to UNAMA, anti-government elements are responsible for 64 percent of the total civilian casualties in Afghanistan: 39 percent by the Taliban, nearly 9 percent by the Khorasan branch of the Islamic State (ISIS), and 16 percent by unidentified opposition elements.

Civilian casualties attributed to anti-government elements increased by 63% compared to the same period in 2020, while casualties attributed to pro-government forces increased by 30%.

This news is originally published by Shafaqna Persian and translated by Shafaqna English

https://en.shafaqna.com/223435/1659-civilians-killed-in-afghanistan-in-first-half-of-2021/

[Northwest]

Does the Iranian government treat the Taliban as somehow distinct from Daesh and al-Qaida? In practice all three groups appear the same and united.

Edited August 10, 2021 by Northwest

[Meedy]

14 minutes ago, Northwest said:

Does the Iranian government treat the Taliban as somehow distinct from Daesh and al-Qaida? In practice all three groups appear the same and united.

I agree they're all the same in my opinion, just different names. 

Is it perhaps they're bigger or supported by Pakistan, perhaps if they get direct involved it may create chaos or get blamed by West for the situations.

Very complex situation.

I wonder what brother Ashvazdanghe thinks?.

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, Northwest said:

Does the Iranian government treat the Taliban as somehow distinct from Daesh and al-Qaida? In practice all three groups appear the same and united.

Hi , their main difference is their root to their sunni sects which Taliban roots back to Hanafi school but on the other hand Daesh and al-Qaida roots back to Hanbali school which in their history both sects have been enemies of each other which both sects have common enmity toward Shia Islam which although they look like united in short term in  enmity with Shias but in long term , they can't tolerate each other for  long time which after reaching to some achievments then they will stand against each other.. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

Six countries urge EU not to halt deportations of rejected Afghan asylum seekers

BRUSSELS, Aug 10 (Reuters) - Six EU member states have sent a letter to the bloc's executive warning against halting deportations of rejected Afghan asylum seekers despite major advances of Taliban militants in their country.

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"Stopping returns sends the wrong signal and is likely to motivate even more Afghan citizens to leave their home for the EU," Austria, Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands, Greece and Germany said in the letter dated Aug. 5 and seen by Reuters.

 

 

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The issue is expected to come up at an online crisis meeting of EU domestic affairs ministers on Aug. 18, which was arranged mainly to discuss a surge of illegal border crossings from Belarus to EU member state Lithuania. read more

Poland and Latvia have also seen an increased flow of migrants from Belarus.

The six EU members urged the bloc to look into the possibility of providing the best support for refugees in neighbouring countries by increasing cooperation with countries such as Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran.

 

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Belgium's state secretary for asylum and migration, Sammy Mahdi, defended the initiative against criticism.

"That regions of a country are not safe does not mean that each national of that country automatically is entitled to protection," he said on Twitter late on Monday, adding deportations of rejected asylum seekers from Afghanistan who are ordered to leave the country must remain possible.

Reporting by Sabine Siebold and John Chalmers; Editing by Nick Macfie

https://www.reuters.com/world/six-countries-urge-eu-not-stop-deportations-afghanistan-belgium-says-2021-08-10/

[lover]

Now there is an all-out war in Afghanistan and only Afghans can get themselves out of that situation, as the world is sitting and watching, while Afghans are getting butchered.
We have to start with who is responsible for what is happening in Afghanistan now and what brought Afghanistan and Afghans to such circumstances.
When USA and its Pashtun ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad wanted the release of 5000 Taliban fighters in 2020, everyone knew that those Taliban would soon fight together with their other Taliban friends and soon the situation in Afghanistan became worse day by day. But that was an agenda anyways. When Hazara schools were bombed, I wrote here that there is no difference between Taliban, ISIS, Afghan government under Ashraf Ghazni and Pakistani government under Imran Khan. Now it has become clearer what the Agenda was.
1) Afghan president Ghani thought he could pashtunize Afghanistan by mass killing people of other ethnic minorities and was fooled thus by foreign politicians like Imran Khan. Now that the Taliban have gained power, Ghani is frightened that his time will end soon and now tries to ally with other tribes and ethnicities. Those other groups, all of them, despise Ghani as much as they despise the Taliban.
2) USA is an ally of Pashtun elites, so they are happy with what is happening now, although they have sold out Pashtuns to the Taliban.
3) Pashtun people are confused, the elites now oppose the Taliban, the poor Pashtuns have no choice but to accept the Taliban rule.

4) Now remains a couple of Afghan provinces, like Herat and some central and northern provinces, which never supported the central government, as it was racist towards them. It was their right choice to not accept the corrupt central government. That’s why they are still able to resist and fight the Taliban. 5) All Afghans must unite, as any kind of racism is bad in any terms and has destroyed that country. Only then are they able to overcome the Taliban and any extremist group in their country.
 

Edited August 11, 2021 by lover

[Meedy]

2 hours ago, lover said:

3) Pashtun people are confused, the elites now oppose the Taliban, the poor Pashtuns have no choice but to accept the Taliban rule.

I completely agree with everything you said.

Unfortunately Pashtun has been brainwashed by Pakistan/Taliban into believing in Taliban Rule and hate towards other ethnicities.  Its very easy to cause division in certain societies, cultures and countries.

The entire Afghan Gov is corrupt specially the president, they sold the countries to pakistan and to the terrorist groups.

God Help Afghanistan, I think maybe Russia, Marshall Dustom and perhaps Ahmad Shah Massoud's son and supporters can help Afghanistan.

Unfortunately since the afghan Gov has sold the country, its very hard for the army as its struggling, not getting back up whilst taliban are being supported heavily by Paskitan and US

Its Ashura everyday in Afghanistan at the moments.

:'(                                        :'(                               Y_Y                          Y_Y

 

[Northwest]

9 hours ago, lover said:

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Given that much of the strife in Afghanistan is centred around ethnicity as well as foreign-inspired sectarianism, do you think that either forcing or encouraging interracial and/or multiethnic marriage would somehow create an environment that is more conducive to domestic harmony and receptivity to Islam? I have noticed that even in Iran most ethnicities tend to self-segregate along cultural and/or racial lines, religious commonalities notwithstanding. One issue in Afghanistan is that local customs and tribal codes such as Pashtunwali are far stronger than any systemised, centralised sharia per se. (What little sharia there is tends to be strongly dominated by foreign-financed Wahhabi–Salafi ideology, including Deobandi sectarianism.) Many of these customs are strongly linked to ethnic and racial identities. If human beings are naturally tribal and tend to favour their own lineage, race, and/or ethnicity, then how could Islam help to address mankind’s natural proclivity toward clannishness and ethnocentrism, along with the local customs that go along with them? Will the establishment of a universal Islamic government in places such as Afghanistan logically entail coercive intertribal and/or interracial marriage across ethnic boundaries, i.e., mandatory “miscegenation“? I do suspect that it is somewhat unrealistic to expect mankind to suddenly become less ethnocentric and “tribal” due to the institution and/or presence of an Islamic government. History has shown that humans tend to retain the same underlying biology and psychology over millennia. So will mankind need to be amalgamated into a single race, including in places such as Afghanistan, in order to develop a universal Islamic consciousness?

[Ashvazdanghe]

At least 27 children killed as violence escalates in Afghanistan

August 11, 2021/in Asia-Pacific, Featured 1, Human rights, Other News /

SHAFAQNA- In the last 72 hours, at least 27 children killed and 136 injured as violence escalates in Afghanistan and, the atrocities grow higher by the day.

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These atrocities are also evidence of the brutal nature and scale of violence in Afghanistan which preys on already vulnerable children.

These are not numbers. Each one of these deaths and each case of physical suffering is a personal tragedy. These children are much loved and longed-for daughters and sons, brothers and sisters, cousins and friends. All of them are children whose right to protection, under international humanitarian law, has been disregarded by warring parties, Unicef.org reported.

 

 

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On top of this appalling situation, UNICEF is also deeply concerned about reports that children are, increasingly, being recruited into the conflict by armed groups. Many other boys and girls are deeply traumatized as they witness atrocities committed against their families and others in their communities.

Children should not pay for this worsening conflict with their childhoods. Only a complete end of hostilities can protect Afghanistan’s children. As long as the conflict rages, children’s right to thrive is compromised; their futures jeopardized, and their contributions to their nation’s prospects diminished.

According to UNICEF  all children, including children with disabilities, need protection and peace now.

https://en.shafaqna.com/225617/at-least-27-children-killed-as-violence-escalates-in-afghanistan/

[lover]

11 hours ago, Northwest said:

 

I didn’t mean to stress on racism as the only problem of Afghanistan but just one problem. And Afghans are not the only nation which is inflicted by racism.
The main problem is that Afghans, especially Pashtuns, trusted too much on foreigners and were sold out by them. Afghan politicians didn’t think about Afghanistans future and are now left bare-handed.

kaweh Kerami writes: „There are multiple possible explanations for the Taliban’s resurgence, including the lack of a post-intervention strategy, the adverse effects of the foreign military campaign, a corrupt and incompetent government in Kabul, and a growing dependency on foreign financial and military assistance and regional rivalries.“

https://theconversation.com/the-taliban-what-could-its-return-to-power-mean-for-afghanistan-164531

Furthermore Afghans fight each other for most minor differences. Some hate Ismael Khan for being Herati, others hate Massoud because they hated his father, others hate all Pashtun or Hazara leaders. The main problem now is foreign sponsored Taliban. And whoever fights the Taliban, if Pashtun in Kandahar, Hazara in Ghazni, Tajik in Herat or North should be accepted as a leader by all Afghans. Forget the past and forgive.
 

[Northwest]

3 hours ago, lover said:

I didn’t mean to stress on racism as the only problem of Afghanistan but just one problem. And Afghans are not the only nation which is inflicted by racism.

Furthermore Afghans fight each other for most minor differences. Some hate Ismael Khan for being Herati, others hate Massoud because they hated his father, others hate all Pashtun or Hazara leaders.

@lover

Of course racism is a universal predicament, but particularly acute in heterogeneous societies. That is why racism tends to be most prominent in racially or ethnically diverse societies, leading to discrimination and/or instability. For instance, obviously racism is a bigger problem in the United States than Sweden, for the reasons that I have enumerated. (In fact, Sweden’s problem is that its government actually favours non-Swedes over the native Swedish population.) Afghanistan’s problems are similar to those of sub-Saharan Africa: extreme racial and ethnic diversity, along with associated tribalism, leading to nepotism, corruption, and opportunism. That is why Afghans tend to side with one foreign-backed faction or another against fellow Afghans, because Afghans have nothing in common racially or ethnically. The average Pashtun may detest his corrupt Pashtun overlords, but he hates Hazara or Tajik overlords even more. This, in turn, prevents him from forging a tactical alliance with non-Pashtuns, and vice versa. Race, ethnicity, and tribe override shared interests. Even in Iran the many races and ethnicities tend to cooperate more among themselves than with each other, with the central government acting as a mediator or “glue.” Racial, ethnic, and tribal divisions resulting in people fighting each other over seemingly the most trivial of matters, even though the crux of the problem(s) goes far deeper than the superficial “triggers” and resulting quarrels may suggest. Look at the United States: in this proverbial “melting pot” Jews still congregate among fellow Jews, Chinese among fellow Chinese, Somalis among fellow Somalis, and so on. If racism were not a central matter in Afghanistan, then Afghans themselves would not be finding the most trivial of excuses to fight each other rather than cooperate on matters of shared interest. Of course I wish this state of affairs were otherwise.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Northwest

[Meedy]

1 hour ago, Northwest said:

The average Pashtun may detest his corrupt Pashtun overlords, but he hates Hazara or Tajik overlords even more. This, in turn, prevents him from forging a tactical alliance with non-Pashtuns, and vice versa.

That is so true. Sadly they trust taliban and pakistan more than hazaras and tajiks

Afghanistan has people of Sikh faith and you know what, they're the most friendliest people.

Reading about future predictions of events before Imam Mehdi (AJF) appear (May God hasten his appearance), It looks like there is a lot of horrible events will occur like a lot of oppression. 

I mean how do you deal with it, knowing there is a lot of oppressed people and horrible events is occurring and will occur.It's hard, its really hard.

[iCenozoic]

Does anyone know why the Taliban feel the need to control all of Afghanistan, rather than the nation maybe splitting so that both sides can have their own piece of land?

[Meedy]

Taliban are terrorists backed by Pakistan and Saudi. They want full control so they have more people to oppress. To eliminate Shias and Minorities. They're insecure and jealous men who does want women to have any rights.

 

[shadow_of_light]

‌May God save Afgans from any kind of oppression. They are in terrible conditions. Even thinking about it is terrifying.

[shadow_of_light]

Can sending a petition to UN be helpful?

[Meedy]

1 minute ago, shadow_of_light said:

Can sending a petition to UN be helpful?

I don't know... they can see what's going. There is videos of horrible things happening. They either turning a blind eye or too focus on Coronavirus.

:'( 

[Abu Hadi]

Im not a marjaa and I can't call for Jihad, but if I was a Shia or religious minority in Afghanistan now this is what I would do

1. get my wife and children out of the country and somewhere safe.

2. Pick up a rifle and fight with whatever group or militia is fighting against them. The way I figure, they are going to kill me anyway. Might as well go down fighting and maybe take a few of them with me. If they encounter enough resistance in places like Herat, they will pull back from there. This will create an autonomous or 'no go' zone for them within the country where there is some sort of truce. I would start with places, like Herat, which have a significant minority of people who don't agree with the Taliban. Maybe this will be the beginning of a real Islamic Resistance movement in Afghanistan (not a fake, Al Saud family puppet one). As they say in English, 'Necessity is the mother of invention'. 

Edited August 13, 2021 by Abu Hadi

[Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki]

Afghan here, The Taliban taking over the country is truly sad. The Taliban is notably Anti-Shia, which has left many shias displaced. Pray for Afghanistan ;(

[Ashvazdanghe]

21 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

Does anyone know why the Taliban feel the need to control all of Afghanistan, rather than the nation maybe splitting so that both sides can have their own piece of land?

Hi , because since separation of Afghanistan from Iran by Britain majority of rulers of Afghanistan have had Pashtun origin so any Pashtun originated group likewise Taliban considers controlling Afghanistan as their right without sharing it with other Afghan tribes & ethnicities which their slogan is that Afghanistan only belongs to Pashtuns which all Tajiks must return to Tajikistan & Uzbeks must return to Uzbekistan & Hazaras must go to Iran or be killed which this false slogan is always supported by British &  now American colonizers . Therefore Taliban wants total control of whole of land of Afghanistan without sharing any piece of land with another natives of Afghanistan  in name of purging Afghanistan  from non Pashtuns in similar fashion of hardcore Zionist occupier of Palestine for forging fake Israel by purging Palestine from it's natives.

[Haji 2003]

20 hours ago, iCenozoic said:

Does anyone know why the Taliban feel the need to control all of Afghanistan, rather than the nation maybe splitting so that both sides can have their own piece of land?

Might be worth asking the people who sponsor the Taliban.

Clue: just before 9/11 the first country to recognise the Taliban government was the UAE.

[Abu Hadi]

4 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Hi , because since separation of Afghanistan from Iran by Britain majority of rulers of Afghanistan have had Pashtun origin so any Pashtun originated group likewise Taliban considers controlling Afghanistan as their right without sharing it with other Afghan tribes & ethnicities which their slogan is that Afghanistan only belongs to Pashtuns which all Tajiks must return to Tajikistan & Uzbeks must return to Uzbekistan & Hazaras must go to Iran or be killed which this false slogan is always supported by British &  now American colonizers . Therefore Taliban wants total control of whole of land of Afghanistan without sharing any piece of land with another natives of Afghanistan  in name of purging Afghanistan  from non Pashtuns in imilar fashion of hardcore Zionist occupier of Palestine for forging fake Israel by purging Palestine from it's natives.

Also, what people must understand is that the US / Britain / Saud Family / UAE are playing a double game in Afghanistan. They are pretending to be horrified that the Taliban are taking over, when actually they support this 100% because they know Taliban will put pressure on Iran from the East and Taliban can be bought for a cheap price. Like what was said by the brother, they also have this idea (like Israel does in Palestine, btw) that it is their 'God given right' to rule all of Afghanistan. They use religion only as a thin cover for their duniyat (worldly) ambitions of power and control. That is why they get a large portion of their money from dealing in haram (i.e. the opium / heroin trade) and use this haram money to commit other haram and thulm, like oppression of women and minorities within Afghanistan. 

Don't count on the Afghan army to give any help. If they US truly wanted the Afghan army to succeed, like they said, then why didn't they train them to stand on their own against the Taliban ? They trained them only to rely on the US to carry out all the 'heavy lifting' of fighting the Taliban. They knew that when they withdrew, the Afghan army could not stand on it's own and would collapse immediately, which is what happened. The US went into Afghanistan to make their buddies (US Military Contractors and Manufacturers) rich, and they got out so that the Taliban (their other buddies) could take over. The US never goes into a country to help the people, they go in to help themselves. I don't know how long it's going to take for people to realize this obvious fact.

If brothers don't like to be ruled by these thugs (Taliban), then there is only one choice at this point and that is to do jihad fe sibilillah and defend their lands against these terrorist murders. The only reason that Iraq is not in the same situation as Afghanistan is because the brothers in Iraq knew what needed to be done and they did it, after the fatwa of Sayyid Sistani. 

Brothers and Sister have to understand that the goal of all of this has been and always was to wipe out the Islamic Republic and the institution of marjaiyyat, as this is the only thing currently standing in the way of the Taghut of complete world domination. This is why we, as followers of Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام)) must always defend those institutions of leadership that keep us together as an ummah. 

Edited August 14, 2021 by Abu Hadi

[Haji 2003]

The arrival of the Taliban won't lead to some new equilibrium, get ready for more regional problems:

 

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“There will be a backlash coming to Pakistan,” said Hasan Askari Rizvi, a political scientist in Lahore. “If there is a Taliban government in Kabul, that will embolden hardline Islamic groups in Pakistan.”

https://www.ft.com/content/f163b68f-c93c-4e5c-ac26-0bde2060d97e

[Abu_Zahra]

The option of fleeing Afghanistan and the Taliban is certainly understandable but it will ultimately be catastrophic for the future of the country. The only long term solution is to fight against them. They keep coming back like a cancer and foreign occupation or involvement is not the answer. 

[Diaz]

53 minutes ago, Mahdavist said:

The only long term solution is to fight against them.

I understand but who is ready to fund them? Taliban is getting funded but what about the brothers who will fight taliban? They need weapons at least to fight these terrorist. 

[Haji 2003]

1 hour ago, Mahdavist said:

The only long term solution is to fight against them.

This is true, but it will require international sponsors. This could be a trap for the Iranians should they try and stop the Taliban carnage.

Certainly, if they intervene in any overt way it will be presented as grounds for an international war against Iran and even covert support may not work because there's an endless supply of jihadists in Pakistan in a way that was not the case in Iraq.

I agree with bro @Abu Hadi that this is a play aimed against Iran.

They are willing to do this even if it risks more Al Qaeda international terrorism - this is how much the anti-Iran agenda has a priority in the West.

[Meedy]

I agree with brothers above, it seems that they want Iran to get involved somehow so they blame the problems on iran and turn afghan people against iran.

Also If Russia/China get involved, they'll used this against Russia just as they would against Iran. As we know Russia/Iran can help destroy the taliban just like they helped syria.

But in Russia's case, they'll make russia look like they're killing muslims, civilians or trying to cature Afghanistan so they would use Chechnya's people against Russia, creating big issues in Russia.

If

It's all very sophisticated/complex operations against these countries, in someway or another.

[Northwest]

On 8/10/2021 at 12:00 PM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Hi , their main difference is their root to their sunni sects which Taliban roots back to Hanafi school but on the other hand Daesh and al-Qaida roots back to Hanbali school which in their history both sects have been enemies of each other which both sects have common enmity toward Shia Islam which although they look like united in short term in  enmity with Shias but in long term , they can't tolerate each other for  long time which after reaching to some achievments then they will stand against each other.

In the short term, however, I think that these factions place anti-Shia unity on a higher pedestal than sectarianism, so that your hope for intra-Sunni fighting disrupting the anti-Shia coalition may prove to be rather forlorn. I suspect that their strategy, dictated to them by their handlers, is to exterminate the Shia and other rivals first, before turning against one another. Currently I see a vast anti-Shia coalition including all the sectarian/chauvinist Sunni powers, the U.S., the EU, and Israel. The Sunni-dominated Muslim Brotherhood is playing a major role in financially sponsoring any and all anti-Shia movements and proxies.

Therefore, Saudi Arabia, along with Qatar, is financing Turkey’s pan-Sunni, pan-Turkic agenda, in order to better contain Iran, as well as to further the West’s aims against Russia, China, and India. During the 1980s and 1990s Saudi Arabia also financed Turkey and facilitated Turkey’s arming and training of Saudi-backed Sunni Islamists to serve the West and Israel’s agenda against Russia, China, Iran, and India, including in such arenas as the Balkans, the Caucasus, and South-Central Asia. Saudi Arabia also served as Israel’s liaison to the “Sunni NATO,” including Turkey, during the West’s intervention in Syria. Turkey is also backing the Taliban and their Pakistani sponsors in Afghanistan, Kashmir, and the rest of South-Central Asia, including Xinjiang.

The West is also backing the MB to undermine Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, and a handful of other “secular, pluralistic” Sunni powers that do not adhere to NATO member Turkey and the GCC’s Saudi-Qatari-Emirati-sponsored, sectarian, Wahhabi–Salafi agenda. The West, inclusive of Israel, wants to salvage the Sunni-chauvinist MB and its “Arab Spring” in order to further sectarianism in the Muslim world, thereby dividing and weakening potential centres of resistance to Western imperialism. Israel also supports the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan and the resumption of the foreign-facilitated “civil war” in Afghanistan, in order to discredit the entire Muslim world as just another bastion of extremism, terrorism, and backwardness.

As far as Russia and China are concerned, I do not think that either of these powers is willing to get involved militarily in Afghanistan, given the risks involved and the fact that the Afghans themselves are too divided to serve as reliable local partners against the Taliban and Company. India is also subject to American influence and is under heavy Western pressure to accept the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan. Plus, a substantial part of the BJP/RSS/Hindutva is allied to the same Zionist and Sunni forces that sponsor Pakistan and its proxies, so Modi has little room to manoeuvre between the financially lucrative West and a rising China.

(Recently a number of Hindu nationalists in India have been exposed as having ties to Pakistan’s ISI, which in turn is controlled by the CIA/MI6/Mossad/Pentagon, so many Hindu and Wahhabi–Salafi extremists work together under NATO and Israel’s sponsorship. During the 2008 Mumbai attacks, Indian investigators and various media also exposed ties between one of the suspects, David Headley, and the Pakistani military-intelligence apparatus. Headley also had ties to the DEA and thus the CIA, which often uses “counter-narcotics” as a front for drug trafficking and sponsorship of terrorist proxies, including Wahhabi–Salafi.)

Even during the 1990s India, like Russia and to some extent Iran, only provided token assistance to Massoud and his anti-Taliban Northern Alliance, so Afghans should not expect Russia, China, or India to “bail them out.” Other contributors here have succinctly mentioned the innumerable constraints that prevent Iran from ensconcing itself in Afghanistan as well. So at this point Afghans are primarily to blame for being their own worst enemies, thus rendering themselves exploitable, including by foreign and foreign-sponsored actors. As far as the “Pashtun problem” is concerned, the Afghans need to eliminate the British-installed Durand Line.

[Meedy]

I agree only Afghan can save themselves but if they're give more military support and stop Pakistan for allowing so many Taliban entering Afghanistan. Also the Pushtan have stop thinking that tajik, hazars are their enemies and get united.

[Abu Hadi]

18 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

The option of fleeing Afghanistan and the Taliban is certainly understandable but it will ultimately be catastrophic for the future of the country. The only long term solution is to fight against them. They keep coming back like a cancer and foreign occupation or involvement is not the answer. 

Im not saying they should flee permenantly, but they should take a lesson from what the brothers (Hajji Sha3bi) accomplished in Iraq. They didn't fight at first, because there was no leadership structure, no training (in fighting) and no organization. You need these things in order to put up a good fight. So, first and most importantly, they were united under the leadership of the marjaa (Sayyid Sistani) and they had commanders at the top who were coordinating and working together. Other than the marjaa himself, I think all the top commanders should be sincere mumin brothers who are Afghan and who have many years of military experience and who all agree to be united under the leadership of the marjaa. This is the most important part. If there is not unity and coordination at the top, the situation will devolve as it has into the past into factional fighting amoung the resistance themselves, which the Taliban will take advantage of. Organization. leadership, and unity at the top is too important. It can't be overstated

Second, the troops in the resistance need training in how to fight. This will take a minimum of one year. Once these things are accomplished, then they can go back in to confront the Taliban. This was the successful formula used in the recent past by groups who were ultimately successful. Its a good model. 

Also, we have to look at the facts. When these terrorist groups came in to a country (with the backing of the Taghut )and gathered together to fight and take over, they have always failed. Look at Syria, look at Lebanon, look at Iraq. Three times in the recent past they have tried this. When they were confronted with a real Islamic Resistance in the country, they failed and were kicked out, and thrown into the dustbin of history. As long as the brothers in Afghanistan follow the sucessful formula, I don't see how this time it would be any different. 

The other thing I would say is that the brothers should not fight with or coordinate with the US or any other foreign forces that might come into Afghanistan to try to muddy the waters as they did in Iraq. The US didn't do anything in Iraq to help against ISIS. They were only there as a distraction, or they were actively helping ISIS behind the scenes (I'm not sure if they were doing this or were just passive observers), then they took credit afterwards. These forces are not there to help them. If Taliban is going to be defeated, they will be defeated by Afghans. Noone else can do this job other than them. 

Edited August 15, 2021 by Abu Hadi

[Meedy]

Just encase I forget, God Bless all of you in here for responding and praying for Afghanistan. Thank Yous.

You're brother Abu Hadi.

US has history of Betraying and will continue to betray so when they help either of self interest, to make look themselves good temporary. 

Sadly Afghanistan does not have a leader, as you may heard by now, Ghani as resigned as part of peace agreement which I suppose included the complete hand over of country to them which explains why military did not have the support it should've.

Also in regard to a figure like marjaa (Sayyid Sistani), Afghanistan does not have such figure because they're busy looking after their own interest, picking on women, etc.

I suppose all we can do is prayer, donate/good deeds and perhaps spread the situation to anyone who may care.

 

 

 

 

[Abu Hadi]

53 minutes ago, Meedy said:

Just encase I forget, God Bless all of you in here for responding and praying for Afghanistan. Thank Yous.

You're brother Abu Hadi.

US has history of Betraying and will continue to betray so when they help either of self interest, to make look themselves good temporary. 

Sadly Afghanistan does not have a leader, as you may heard by now, Ghani as resigned as part of peace agreement which I suppose included the complete hand over of country to them which explains why military did not have the support it should've.

Also in regard to a figure like marjaa (Sayyid Sistani), Afghanistan does not have such figure because they're busy looking after their own interest, picking on women, etc.

I suppose all we can do is prayer, donate/good deeds and perhaps spread the situation to anyone who may care.

 

 

 

 

The Marjaa doesn't have to be Afghani. The Marjaa' is there to give spiritual guidance and mediate conflicts between the commanders, which inevitably occur in any conflict. Of course, it is better to have Marjaa' who is Afghan, so long as everyone agrees and trusts him. but this is not 100% necessary. Look at Lebanon. The leader (marjaa') who was followed by resistance (Hezb) is Imam Khameni(may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) continue to bless him and give him long life) and before that Imam Khomeni(رضي الله عنه). They were Iranian, not Lebanese.

This was hard to accept at first because many Lebanese complained (and some still do) that our leader is Persian and not Arab. Arabs are very tribal, and have always been this way. It was hard for Arabs to accept that their leader was not also Arab, (you know how this goes, lol) but eventually they got used to it and you can see that they were successful in defeating the Israelis, the second most technologically advanced army in the world, who have the full support of US / Britain / France, etc. They did this many times, not only once (1997,2000, and 2006). So it is possible to have a leader who is not Afghan, but those who do the work on the ground must be Afghan(there are many reasons for this I could explain in another post if necessary) , as what happened in Lebanon, the ones who actually fought were Lebanese, not Iranian. 

It is hard to say right now, but we may look back at this moment some day and say this was the beginning of the true liberation of Afghanistan from the terrorists thugs and foreign occupiers. Whether this happens or not will depend mostly on what the Afghan people do at this point. 

Edited August 15, 2021 by Abu Hadi