Collapse of Afghanistan

[Meedy]

Listening to the news of what's happening in Afghanistan is very disturbing. The Gov forces are losing territories by lots. The West don't care about the situations at all. The forces don't have enough resources to fight back thanks to the West. It is baffling that West claimed to fight against Terrorist in Afghanistan, yet in recent years they never been targeted and neither they targeted the terrorists. 

I fear for my remaining relatives that lives there. I fear for the women and children that will get oppressed. I feel for the Hazaras. I feel the shia of the Afghanistan what will happen to them. I feel for the innocents lives that will get oppressed. The Afghani president, is completely cowards and gutless, does not seem to care one bit.

Whats your thoughts?

[Guest Curious]

I think Taliban are little different than before regarding Shia Muslims and have contacts with iranian authorities.

So if they kabul ( and they will surely do) i think they will not persecute Shia and hazaras like they did in the past.

[lover]

Shia Muslims in many parts of the world are living under extreme pressure. In some countries such as Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan they are threatened by extremist groups like the ISIS or the Taliban. In other countries like Azerbaijan, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia they are persecuted by the national government.

What is the solution towards a better life in those countries and an escape out of persecution and poverty?

  
Shia political theory
The first question, which comes to mind is, whether Shia Muslims, especially Shia scholars, have become more political in recent years. They have founded TV channels and talk more about politics than they used to, while they stay on legal grounds and don't violate the state laws.

 

This question has been answered by Grand Ayatollah Ishaq al-Fayadh (b. 1930) who resides in Najaf, Iraq:

السؤال ۷۰: أسباب تعاظم الدور السياسي للفقهاء من وجهة نظركم؟

الجواب : : ليست المسألة سياسية بقدر ما هي وظيفة شرعية فإن الوضع العام للمسلمين ومصالحهم العليا قد تتطلب أن يتدخل المرجع الديني في بعض القضايا السياسية، أو الإجتماعية بشكل كبير لإنقاذ حقوق المسلمين ، ومصالحهم الحيوية العليا العامة الإجتماعية .

Question No. 70: What is the reasons for the increasing political involvement of the jurists (Fuqaha) from your point of view?

Answer: This development is rather a legal one than a political. The general situation of Muslims and their supreme interests may require that the religious authority intervene in some political or social issues in a major way to save the rights of Muslims and their higher, vital social interests. [1]

 

The answer of the Grand Ayatollah shows that it is required that Shia scholars meddle in political affairs, rather than staying silent and watching while their fellow Shia brothers and sister are getting massacred or oppressed.
Another reason is that Muslim countries are ruled more and more by corrupted leaders. Shia scholars are required by Islamic law to address issues like corruption and mismanagement by state leaders.

 
It is narrated from the first Shia Imam, Ali ibn Abi Talib (a) who said [2]: 

"The corruption of the population is caused by the elite of the society. The elite are divided into five groups:
1.         Scholars who are guides toward God
2.         The righteous ones who are the path to God
3.         The traders who are trustees of God
4.         The fighters who are God’s helpers
5.         The rulers who are guardians of God’s created ones
Therefore, if the scholar is greedy and wealth-gatherer, who else must be asked for guidance? And if the righteous is inclined towards the world and what the people have, then who else can be followed? And if the traders are disloyal and do not pay Zakat, who else can be trusted? And if the soldier is pretentious and has eyes only to attain wealth, who else is going to defend Muslims? And if the ruler is cruel and carry out his decrees and orders through oppression and injustice, then who can take back the right of the oppressed from the oppressor? Swear to God, nothing destroyed people except greedy scholars, righteous ones who seek the world, disloyal traders, hypocrite fighters and oppressive rulers."

Another reason is that politics has become more and more part of society. Nowadays not taking part in politics is considered as if one has not taken part in society at all. Without participating in politics the rights of the weak are usurped.

But nonetheless, if the meaning of politics is partisan politics then it is another form of corruption. Being part of a political party or a group shouldn't give advantage or disadvantage to one person over another.

 

Someone asked Imam Hassan (a) about politics; 
the Imam replied [3]: 
1) "Politics is to attend to the rights and duties of Allah and to 
2) protect the rights of the people; dead or alive. 
As for the rights of Allah, it is to 
a) fulfill what He ordered and 
b) abstain from what forbade. 
And as for the rights of the living it is to 
a) discharge your duties towards your Muslim brethrens and 
b) not to hesitate serving your community, to
c) be sincere towards Wali-Amr (leader chosen by the people on the basis of his religious credentials) as long as he is sincere to the Ummah, and to 
d) raise your objection to him if he deviated from the straight path. 
As for the rights of the dead, it is to 
a) commemorate their good deeds and 
b) cover up their bad deeds, for they have their Lord to deal with them."

So politics with the meaning of taking part in society and defending the rights of the weak is necessary, while partisan politics remain doubtful at best, if not even forbidden, as it can produce corruption.

Let's analyze the mentioned statement of Grand Ayatollah al-Fayadh from recent historic perspectives. When did Shia scholars meddle into political affairs? It was when wars were imposed upon Shia Muslims or when they were threatened by geopolitical interest, extremist groups etc.

 

In 2014 all Shia scholars gave Fatwas supporting a self-defending Jihad against the Salafist ISIS movement, when they ruled over large parts of Iraq and Syria.

Shia scholars gave Fatwas when human rights abuses should be prevented or investigated.

In May 2021 Shia scholars called for the protection of Afghan Shia minority after a Shia girl's school was bombed by Sunni extremists, which resulted in the death of 100 people, mostly school girls.

Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani's Fatwa concerning the school bombing and terrorism in Afghanistan as written on his side reads [4]: 

"What is required from the government, national and religious leaders and the Aghani community elders is to work to find a way to protect civilians - especially ethnic and religious minorities - against the suppression and crimes of terrorist groups, and to ensure appropriate measures are taken in this regard.

Islamic countries and the international community must also fulfil their responsibilities and not abandon the defenceless Afghan people in these difficult circumstances. They must prevent the implementation of the covertly drawn up evil plans for the future of this country, which, if implemented, would lead to more innocent people dying at the hands of criminal attacks launched by extremist groups."

Conclusion

Shias are spread around the world and make a small percentage of the majority of the countries they live in, and have no developed political identity.

The Shiite political approach should become more precise and more deliberate. The geopolitical system of the world has become more complex and Shia scholars realize that, whereas Shia politicians still think in black and white.

Shias should try to put themselves into the positions of super powers like USA, China and Russia. The Shia should ask themselves why anyone should take them as an ally. Members of Shia Islam are a minority with little wealth, although the wealth of the Shia community is on the rise. Also more and more people in the world begin to understand that Shia Muslims don't commit terrorist crimes against others and are tolerant towards other religions and sects. Non-Muslims and non-Shia have begun to develop more interest in the Shia sect.
Now it is upon the members of the Shia sect to achieve more political awareness and engage more in debates in order to prove that the world is better off with a strong Shia Islam than it is with Salafism and other extremist religions and sects.

Another point is that Shias are not only split along national and ethnic lines but also along the question of who follows which scholar, Marja'. This must change and Shia Muslims must develop deeper understanding towards each other and have to connect themselves outside of their respective communities.

On the other hand, non-Shia communities have to acknowledge that Shia Muslims are law-abiding, imposed by their religious law and pose no threat to anyone. Shia Islam instructs people to be interested in sciences and the development of their societies. Shia Muslims are integrated into the societies in which they live and are allowed to participate in elections.

This can be seen through another Fatwa of Grand Ayatollah Ishaq al-Fayadh [5]:

السؤال ۲۷۲: هل يجوز للمراة أن ترشح نفسها لرئاسة الدولة، أو رئاسة الوزراء، أو أن تكون وزيرة، أو وكيلة وزير وما أشبه ذلك من مناصب سياسية؟

الجواب : : نعم، لها حق الترشيح بالشرط المذكور.

 

Question 2: Is it permissible for a woman to run for the presidency of the state, or for prime minister, or to become a minister, a deputy minister and for similar political positions?
Answer: Yes, she has the right to run for office under the aforementioned condition. 

Implementing the Fatwas of Shia scholars could create the beginning of end of oppression of Shia Muslims in the world, God willing.

 

Bibliography

[1] "Issues of Taqlid." Official Website of Grand Ayatollah al-Fayadh (Q&A section), (n.d.), http://ar.alfayadh.org/questionscategory/57dfe1de6b02868509487da4. Accessed 27 June 2021.

[2] Qorar ul-Hekam, Translated by Ansari, p. 542.

[3] Shirazi, Sayed Muhammad. Fundamentals of Islam (PDF). London, fountain books, 2001. p. 35

[4] "Translation of the statement issued by the office of His Eminence Al-Sayyid Al-Sistani (long may he live) regarding the terrorist bombing of Sayyid Al-Shuhada School in Kabul." Imam Ali Foundation (London), 27 RAMADHAN 1442, http://najaf.org/english/?art_id=1319. Accessed 04 July 2021.

[5] "Social Affairs." Official Website of Grand Ayatollah al-Fayadh (Q&A section), (n.d.), http://ar.alfayadh.org/questionscategory/57dfeddee3bc718409a91bd8. Accessed 04 July 2021.

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[lover]

3 hours ago, Guest Curious said:

I think Taliban are little different than before regarding Shia Muslims and have contacts with iranian authorities.

So if they kabul ( and they will surely do) i think they will not persecute Shia and hazaras like they did in the past.

Based on what information are you saying that?
At the very best the Taliban are criminals, who will persecute Afghans and impose on them their backward laws (forced marriages, no schools, burning of modern technologies etc.) by force. They will kidnap young boys for their purposes, that's for sure. 

The worst case would be that they completely abandon their "Taqiyya" and directly persecute and massacre Shia, Sikhs and other religious groups. The second option will be more probable the longer their rule will become.

Hiding or fleeing from the Taliban will become imminent for Shias in Afghanistan. Today Taliban kill Afghan Muslims, soldiers and civilians. Or what religion do you think Afghan soldiers belong to?

Here is a report from yesterday by the DW on how Afghans are fleeing the Taliban:

 

Edited July 4, 2021 by lover

[lover]

Whoever has problems with the links from the text above, the links again:

[1] "Issues of Taqlid." Official Website of Grand Ayatollah al-Fayadh (Q&A section), (n.d.), http://ar.alfayadh.org/questionscategory/57dfe1de6b02868509487da4. Accessed 27 June 2021.

[2] Qorar ul-Hekam, Translated by Ansari, p. 542.

[3] Shirazi, Sayed Muhammad. Fundamentals of Islam (PDF). London, fountain books, 2001. p. 35

[4] "Translation of the statement issued by the office of His Eminence Al-Sayyid Al-Sistani (long may he live) regarding the terrorist bombing of Sayyid Al-Shuhada School in Kabul." Imam Ali Foundation (London), 27 RAMADHAN 1442, http://najaf.org/english/?art_id=1319. Accessed 04 July 2021.

[5] http://ar.alfayadh.org/questionscategory/57dfeddee3bc718409a91bd8. 

 

 

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[Guest Curious]

3 hours ago, lover said:

Based on what information are you saying that?
At the very best the Taliban are criminals, who will persecute Afghans and impose on them their backward laws (forced marriages, no schools, burning of modern technologies etc.) by force. They will kidnap young boys for their purposes, that's for sure. 

The worst case would be that they completely abandon their "Taqiyya" and directly persecute and massacre Shia, Sikhs and other religious groups. The second option will be more probable the longer their rule will become.

Hiding or fleeing from the Taliban will become imminent for Shias in Afghanistan. Today Taliban kill Afghan Muslims, soldiers and civilians. Or what religion do you think Afghan soldiers belong to?

Here is a report from yesterday by the DW on how Afghans are fleeing the Taliban:

 

Well i didnt say that taliban are good but in these conflict nothing is black and white and if taliban are always si strong is also because afghan government is highly corrupt and criminals. 

I just said that since many years it looks like taliban are less agressive toward Shia Muslims and have relations with iranian government.

But now if they begin again to be anti-shia and anti-persian then i hope iranian government will help them. 

If such scenario happen then i would even think that incorporating Shia and persian territories to Iran would be a good Idea. Not sure if this a good Idea for these last one because i am practically sure many sunni will again accuse Iran of sectarianism and persian suprematism but anyway.

[Guest Mullah_Sadra]

OP: it is truly sad and unfortunately much of the world is ignoring this. Let us pray that the people of Afghanistan find safety and security, especially our dear Hazara brothers and sisters. Ameen. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

18 hours ago, Guest Curious said:

I think Taliban are little different than before regarding Shia Muslims and have contacts with iranian authorities.

So if they kabul ( and they will surely do) i think they will not persecute Shia and hazaras like they did in the past.

"If the Taliban gain power in Afghanistan, it has nothing to do with Iran," is a misconception

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"If the Taliban gain power in Afghanistan, it has nothing to do with Iran," is a misconception
"On the other hand, I believe that Iran should not forget  supporting of the Tajik regions," said an expert on regional and Afghan issues, referring to developments in Afghanistan, with some intellectuals saying that Iran should respond to the Taliban's advance in Afghanistan and to Iran's borders. But in other hand Iran must not neglects supprtoing of  Tajik's regions likewise Herat and Mazar-e-Sharif.

In an interview with ISNA, Ali Rostami said: "The issues that are happening in Afghanistan have an internal aspect and an international aspect, both of which have supporters." Under Trump, US policy toward Afghanistan changed. The US support for Afghanistan was to reduce its costs. On the other hand, due to the US policy towards China, it has supported the Taliban, and at the same time, they discussed the government and the Taliban, and promoted this issue so that a balance could be struck between them. When Biden came to power and Trump's policy was abandoned, the Taliban concluded that the new US policy did not meet their goals and began to advance in Afghanistan.

He continued: "The United States seeks to increase pressure by supporting Uighur Muslims in China, and the establishment of an Islamic state in Afghanistan can greatly contribute to the implementation of this policy." The difference is that in the Trump era, they wanted to establish an independent Islamic government, but in the Biden era, they wanted to form a government consisting of the current government with the existing mechanism and the Taliban. The Americans have said in their statements so far that they support Afghanistan economically and socially, but militarily it is unlikely that they will want to intervene, and so far no such thing has been said. If this situation continues, the US policy and approach will help the Taliban, willingly or unwillingly, and the Taliban, who see themselves as the executor of the US will, will move towards Iran, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia and China.

"When Trump imposed sanctions on everything in Iran, Trump gave the Taliban a chance to advance in Afghanistan, so they moved to the Iranian border, and we see that There is no good news from these areas. Maybe the Taliban are no longer the former Taliban and the government they are considering is also Islamic, and for this reason they are aligned with Iran, but we should know that the government is the Islamic Taliban but not the Shiites, and that is enough to put them against Iran and not next to them. Hence, an enemy is created against Iran in the eastern part.

He added: "In Iran, there are two approaches and views on the issue of Afghanistan and the Taliban; A group that accepts the cooperation and acceptance of the Taliban and a group that opposes this closeness. However, given the change of government in Iran, we have to wait and see what approach will be taken in general. At the same time, US pressure on the Taliban to take power is a kind of pressure on Iran, Russia, the countries of northern Iran in Central Asia and the Caucasus, and it seems that this trend is progressing rapidly.

The Afghan expert said that the reason why Iran officially moved towards the Taliban and negotiated with the group in the last four years was because Iran realized the change in US policy on Afghanistan and its support for the Taliban. If we reconsider our view of them and make a friendship plan, the chances of us being harmed by the Taliban will decrease, but as I have said many times, there is always an ideological group, no matter how politicized it may be. The party[Taliban] is radical in nature, and it is a mistake to think that if the Taliban take power in Afghanistan, it will have nothing to do with Iran. They have plans not only for Iran but also for Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia and China, especially if they have US support in this direction.

Rostami went on to say about the approach of the ruling government of Afghanistan to these developments: "In this situation, we see that Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah Abdullah went to the United States and are trying to provoke public opinion inside Afghanistan and provoke popular forces to prevent the Taliban's quick victories." In different sectors and do not allow them to come to power. According to the ruling government, the future government is a combination of the current government and the Taliban.

Referring to Pakistan's approach to the developments, the regional and Afghan affairs expert said: "The bottom line is that the Pakistanis themselves are looking for the Taliban government to come to power." The Taliban are the product of the initial support of Pakistan and its military and security forces, who see the issue of Afghanistan as a hindrance to the Indian issue, so that if they clash with India, the logical result would be that India and Afghanistan would not unite against Pakistan, but if the Taliban If it does not work, Pakistan may be endangered from this perspective. Thus, in this process, Pakistan agrees with US policy and the rise of the Taliban.

In response to the fact that a combination of the Taliban and the current government that the United States is pursuing, , is it possible  kill and masscare by  the Taliban, according  to  ethnic and political geography in Afghanistan and the historical background of the people of this country? He said: "Civil society has grown inside Afghanistan and at the same time the policies of the previous Taliban have changed to some extent, but the perception of the Afghan people is serious and strong that if the Taliban comes to power, the same problems of the past and radical behavior will occur. Thus, national defense forces have been formed everywhere, and the people themselves have stood by the government's military forces. National power has emerged in the face of foreign policy that seeks to bring the Taliban to power, and there is a possibility that popular forces will expand.

Rostami clarified about Russia's view of these developments: Russia is afraid of the Chechen Muslims and that the developments in Afghanistan will help their movement will certainly worry Moscow, in addition to the threat of activating this approach in Afghanistan will disrupt calculations in the whole region. The Russians do not accept the conflict in the region.

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 Reporter Zahra Asghari Secretary Fatemeh Aboutalebi
 

https://www.isna.ir/news/1400040805270/اگر-طالبان-در-افغانستان-قدرت-گیرد-به-ایران-کاری-ندارد-تصور

14 hours ago, lover said:

Here is a report from yesterday by the DW on how Afghans are fleeing the Taliban:

Salam , It's mostly looks like an orchestra in order of exagerration  about power of Taliban & spreading  fear of Taliban by MSM like wise BBC & euronews & etc  , by the same token , shifting  all blames toward Iran & whitwashing America  however some security forces of Afghan government  have fled against  Taliban even withtout shooting a bullet as a hidden agenda  of current Afghan government for peace talks & cooperation  with Taliban which due to betrayal of the current Afghanistan  government  & arresting leader of Hazara resistance ,Mr Alipur few weeks ago the green light by Ghani gov has given to Taliban for initialization  of their recent  attacks which only Tajik resistance  group singelhandly has stood against Taliban however the Tajik leader of resistance  group , general  Dustum is a panturk which  only seeks help from Turky which even in recent years by establishing  Turkish language  based schools & weak presence of Iran in Afghanistan  besids anti Iran policy of Ghani gov ,Turkey has absords a grop young generation  of Hazaras by calling Hazaras as turks & trying to replace turkish language  between them instead of Farsi (Dari) language  by heavy investment  & propaganda  of Turkey & support of Ghani gov for replacing  Pashtuns instead of Hazaras & surrendering  Hazaras to Turkey likwise what Turkey & KSA have done about Uighurs.

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Abdul Ghani Alipur Alipour aka "Commander Sword" (Commander Shamsher, Qomandan Shamsher) is accused of serious human rights abuses, was arrested in a Hazara area of western Kabul, where a spate of suicide attacks by the radical Sunni Islamic State group has fed anger at perceived government indifference to violence against Hazaras. Despite the accusations against him, Alipur has enjoyed the support of powerful Hazara leaders. He also remains popular with many in the mainly Shi’ite Hazara community who see him as a Robin Hood-style figure who defends his people while the government stands by.
 

His paramilitary group is known for operating in Ghor, Wardak and Daykundi provinces. It participated in recent fighting in Ghazni. Has a strong support among Hazara minority. (20181125)

 

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Background:

A standoff over militia commander Alipur in Ghor Province who has defied attempts to arrest him has highlighted tensions over President Ashraf Ghani’s crackdown on local strongmen operating outside central government control.

On Oct 10, 2018, security forces arrived in Lal Sar Jangal, a district in the remote and largely lawless province of Ghor, to arrest Alipur, a commander from the mainly Shi’ite Hazara minority accused of serious human rights abuses.

Their arrival set off a gunbattle that killed four police and eight civilians. Alipur, known as “Commander Sword”, escaped but a few days later reappeared in Wardak province, west of Kabul, holding a defiant rally of hundreds of supporters.

Deputy interior ministry spokesman Nasrat Rahimi called Alipur a “criminal, a highwayman and a killer” and said: “The government will continue to hunt him.”

 

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Mohammad Mohaqeq, a powerful Hazara leader, said Alipur was “commander of the people’s uprising force” and called the attempted arrest, “an excuse to expand the conflict in Hazara communities”.

A senior government official said Alipur took up arms and created a small, mainly Hazara force in Wardak years ago after several incidents in which Sunni militants stopped cars on the highway and killed Hazaras.

In revenge, his men would stop cars and target Pashtuns, accusing them of aiding the Taliban or anti-Shi’ite militant groups, the official said.(20181010)
 

Commander Alipour famous as “Sword” is one of old commanders of Hazara (central region of Afghanistan). Hazara people submitted all their weapon after Taliban was defeated and central Government and NATO promised to provide safety and security.
After a while Taliban gained power and central Government and NATO were incapable of providing safety (deliberately or not), commanders such as Alipour and Shojaie and… got armed to defend their people against Taliban and ISIS.

A few years ago a confrontation between Pakistani Pashtoon nomads (they spend winter in Pakistan and summer in Afghanistan) and Shiite people of Behsud and Hazara happened and Alipour helped people to defend themselves.

http://www.afghan-bios.info/index.php?option=com_afghanbios&id=4100&task=view&total=4137&start=344&Itemid=2

https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Racism/SR/Call/mhhasrat.pdf

[Ashvazdanghe]

Hazara resistance is NOT Terrorism

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Hazaras have been left with no choice but to arm themselves in the highlands (Hazarajat) against Taliban and Kuchi aggressions. This is due to government negligence and the failure to provide security and protection for Hazaras despite continuous voicing of their concerns and demanding security from the central government.

 

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However, many Afghan politicians and Afghan media outlets have sought to undermine and vilify this group and Hazaras for their support of Ali Pour and his men. “The Alipour phenomenon is nothing but a symptom of failure to secure the highway between Kabul and Behsud, where hundreds of Hazaras have been killed by the Taliban. Alipour and his men have stopped the Taliban’s advances into Behsud and Bamiyan, filling in the gap left by the government. Apparently, for the Afghanistan government, the enemy of its enemy is also its enemy.”

https://stophazaragenocide.com/hazara-resistance-is-not-terrorism/

[Meedy]

19 hours ago, Guest Curious said:

I think Taliban are little different than before regarding Shia Muslims and have contacts with iranian authorities.

So if they kabul ( and they will surely do) i think they will not persecute Shia and hazaras like they did in the past.

They're animals, they are no different to any other terrorists groups. The afghan people have been suffering a lot, all because of these parasites, thugs and insecure men.

[Northwest]

11 minutes ago, Meedy said:

They're animals, they are no different to any other terrorists groups. The afghan people have been suffering a lot, all because of these parasites, thugs and insecure men.

Haven’t you noticed that the West and Israel always tend to support theocrats against pluralists? Look at the (Christian) Zionists/evangelists, Wahhabi–Salafi (including Sunni Ikhwanis), Hindutva ideologists, and so on. The West and Israel detest strong, pluralistic societies such as India, Syria, the former USSR/Russia, Iran, China, Venezuela, and so on. This is why religious zealotry is quite dangerous if it results in a regime that discriminates against rival faiths/creeds and thereby serves foreign powers. One must always remember that the West and Israel created the Taliban et al. to counter secular nationalism, socialism, and revolutionary Islam (in Iran), as well as minorities such as the Shia Hazara, Sikhs, Buddhists, indigenous Christians, and so on. People such as the evangelists and Wahhabis are why I am so wary of a religious government, as much as I am wary of “woke” liberals and their degeneracy.

[Meedy]

I Agree with you Northwest. Despite horrific crimes committed by these groups which West created. The west continues to support them, pick and choose whose live matters. People too brainwashed to realize the truth. 

I can't wait till Imam Mehdi (AJ)

[Northwest]

40 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

only Tajik resistance  group singelhandly has stood against Taliban however the Tajik leader of resistance  group , general  Dustum is a panturk

Dostum has never received as much support from Turkey as the Taliban, Daesh, et al. have received from the West and Israel via Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, and Pakistan. Since the 1980s the GCC has basically controlled Turkey to begin with and undermined the old pluralist/secularist elite via the Muslim Brotherhood-linked Sunni “reformist”/Salafi Islamists (AKP and Co.), namely crypto-Zionist pseudo-“Muslims” such as Erdoğan, Gülen, Gul, and so on. Since then the situation for non-Sunnis and traditional Sunnis has only worsened within and without Turkey as the country has acted as NATO’s springboard for GCC-financed, Zionist-run Islamist expansionism, from Syria to Libya, Yemen, the Caucasus, the Balkans, and South-Central Asia, including Xinjiang.

During the 1980s the increasingly Islamist-friendly Turkey also backed Saddam Hussein against Iran, while Saddam helped the MB fight pro-Iran figures such as Syria’s Hafez al-Assad. From 1973 (particularly from 1978 on) to 1992 the West and Israel backed the feudalist, pro-British landowners and drug traffickers based out of Pakistan’s Tribal Areas and used them as cover for the transformation of traditional Islam to suit the foreign-backed, pro-Saudi Wahhabi–Salafi and Ikhwani-linked Deobandi networks, the very same nexus that yielded al-Qaida, the Taliban, and Daesh under the suzerainty of CIA/MI6/Mossad agents such as Said Ramadan, Osama bin Laden, Zawahiri, Hekmatyar, et al.

The West and Israel created these pseudo-“jihadists” to restore Western control of the international heroin trade, lost since the victory of the Vietnamese over imperialism in 1975 (harming the “Golden Triangle” of heroin production in Indochina), and destabilise the newly established secularist government of Nur Muhammad Taraki in Afghanistan. During this timeframe the West actually marginalised indigenous anti-Soviet figures such as Massoud and Dostum in favour of hardline Saudi-Pakistani puppets, drug traffickers such as Hekmatyar et al.

Dostum has always been a secular nationalist first and foremost, so he has never had much support from Turkey, especially since the rise of the Islamist AKP in 2001. He originally served in the secular-nationalist, Soviet-backed, progressive Afghan government prior to its collapse. That is why he only briefly flirted with the Taliban during the foreign-sponsored “Afghan” civil war (1992–6) and eventually joined up with the multi-ethnic, pluralistic Northern Alliance, which included many anti-Taliban Pashtuns as well as Tajiks and some Uzbeks.

Of course Massoud remained the dominant figure, so the West used Pakistan’s ISI and military to assassinate him, clearing the way for Taliban confidante Hamid Karzai, himself a onetime candidate for a position in the Taliban’s “Emirate,” instead, just two days before 9/11, an event in which the ISI also figured prominently, by financing the Saudi-linked “hijackers” who were actually Western/Zionist intelligence agents inside al-Qaida, including American Special Forces operative and plausible Mossad asset Ali Mohamed, who was also linked to the first WTC false flag in 1993 and the false-flag attacks on the U.S. embassies in East Africa in 1998.

My point is that I believe too many Shias have fallen into the trap of viewing “Muslims” as better allies than pluralistic secularists, even though history rather clearly shows that, however insidious certain forms of “secularism” may be, particularly the “woke” liberal kind, religious and/or chauvinistic Sunnis tend to persecute Shias et al. more harshly than do pluralistic secularists. I don’t consider Saddam to be a particularly good example of a secularist, given that he was more of a Sunni chauvinist at heart and often sided with Sunni Islamists (Ikhwanis) against his rivals, i.e., the Syrian Baathists under the (Alawite) Hafez al-Assad.

[Ashvazdanghe]

Ahmad Shah Massoud's son prepares to face the Taliban

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 Sunday / 13 July 1400 / 10:53 Category: Asia, Middle East News ID : 1400041308859 Source: The Independentprint

Ahmad Massoud, son of Ahmad Shah Massoud
The rapid fall of several Afghan cities to the Taliban in recent weeks has prompted people to rally around their leaders and mobilize in support of security forces.

According to ISNA, Ahmad Massoud, the son of Ahmad Shah Massoud, the national hero of Afghanistan, has been trying for several years to establish a military process called the "Second Resistance" against the Taliban. In this day and night when the war between the Afghan security and defense forces has intensified, he has intensified his efforts to establish a military front against the Taliban and wants to launch his fight against this group soon.   

In recent days, Ahmad Massoud has begun separate meetings with a number of jihadi leaders and resistance fighters in the country, especially the Mujahideen of Panjshir, out of the reach of the media, and is trying to stand up to the Taliban with a single vision and solidarity.

Ahmad Massoud said in a meeting with Amrullah Saleh, the first vice president of Afghanistan, on Saturday: "On the night of  11 of Cancer(Tir), 1400 [ Friday, July 2, 2021],I had a detailed meeting with Mr. Amrullah Saleh, the first vice president of Afghanistan. "In this meeting, we discussed the current situation in the country."

"People's mobilization in support of the country's security and defense forces, the establishment of the situation and the repulse of the Taliban invasion were the main focus of our conversation," Massoud said of his meeting with Amrullah Saleh.

"We will be more coordinated on these goals (mobilizing the people and standing up to the Taliban)," he stressed.

Massoud, known among his supporters and his father as the young commander and leader of the Second Resistance, once again told the Taliban in Panjshir on Monday (June 28th) to stop fighting and killing and join the peace process , nevertheless They will stand against you and you will be destroyed.

"If our enemy does not step aside and accept peace, the people of Afghanistan will rise from Helmand to Badakhshan to defend their land and hold the flag of their national hero to defend their land," he warned, calling on the Taliban to make peace. . »

According to The Independent, Ahmad Massoud has called on all officers and the military to join the National Resistance Front, which he has created, for whatever reason they have been fired, and "against the Taliban, who are our common enemy." "Defend their country."

https://www.isna.ir/news/1400041308859/فرزند-احمدشاه-مسعود-برای-رویارویی-با-طالبان-آماده-می-شود

[Meedy]

4 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Ahmad Shah Massoud's son prepares to face the Taliban

https://www.isna.ir/news/1400041308859/فرزند-احمدشاه-مسعود-برای-رویارویی-با-طالبان-آماده-می-شود

I Pray To God that he succeed.

[Ashvazdanghe]

Simultaneously with the alleged withdrawal of the United States;
Scott Miller: We are worried about the Taliban!

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Simultaneously with the alleged withdrawal of the United States;
Scott Miller: We are worried about the Taliban!
Scott Miller: We are worried about the Taliban!
The US commander of NATO forces, without mentioning Washington's intention to destabilize Afghanistan, expressed concern about the Taliban's movements at the same time as the alleged withdrawal of foreign forces from the country.

According to Mehr News Agency , General Scott Miller, the US commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, claimed in a television interview with ABC News that the United States should be concerned about the recent movements of the Taliban.

"We have to worry," Miller said. The loss of areas and the speed of their loss should be worrying, because war has a physical aspect, but at the same time it has psychological and moral aspects, and it is important to have hope and morale, and at the same time you "You are witnessing the movement of the Taliban from one side of the country to the other (Afghanistan). You do not want to see people lose hope and believe that they have now been given a predetermined result."

According to Mehr News Agency , Scott Miller had previously claimed that with the end of the process of withdrawal of international troops from Afghanistan, the country will probably face "very difficult days" if the alliance fails.

"The security situation in Afghanistan is not good at the moment," General Miller told a news conference. "If things continue like this, [civil war] is certainly [the only] way that can be imagined," he added.

The beginning of the process of alleged withdrawal of US and NATO troops from Afghanistan coincided with the escalation of sporadic clashes in different parts of the country and is considered an excuse for the Americans to justify their continued presence. According to Washington, the rest of the US military will completely leave Afghanistan by September 11, 2021 - after twenty years of fruitless war.

Miller's claim comes as experts believe that the United States has deliberately designed the situation to lead Afghanistan to "statelessness" and a "civil war" as an excuse for the return and redistribution of forces in the country. It is in the common interests of Iran, Russia and China, and dominating it could mean restraining the three countries, which are acting in opposition to Washington's policies.

Maryam Khormai

• https://www.mehrnews.com/news/5250737/اسکات-میلر-نگران-تحرکات-طالبان-هستیم

https://www.mehrnews.com/news/5250737/اسکات-میلر-نگران-تحرکات-طالبان-هستیم

[Robin]

19 hours ago, lover said:

Based on what information are you saying that?
At the very best the Taliban are criminals, who will persecute Afghans and impose on them their backward laws (forced marriages, no schools, burning of modern technologies etc.) by force. They will kidnap young boys for their purposes, that's for sure. 

The worst case would be that they completely abandon their "Taqiyya" and directly persecute and massacre Shia, Sikhs and other religious groups. The second option will be more probable the longer their rule will become.

Hiding or fleeing from the Taliban will become imminent for Shias in Afghanistan. Today Taliban kill Afghan Muslims, soldiers and civilians. Or what religion do you think Afghan soldiers belong to?

Here is a report from yesterday by the DW on how Afghans are fleeing the Taliban:

 

Afghani's have my prayers!

[Ashvazdanghe]

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

 

'US root of crisis in Afghanistan'

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TEHRAN, Jul. 04 (MNA) – In an interview with Mehr News, Alaeddin Boroujerdi, a former member of Parliament National Security and Foreign Policy Committee, named the US as the main cause of the crisis in Afghanistan.

He suggested the Afghan officials reconsider their stance and not regard Americans as the security provider in Afghanistan.

"Unfortunately, 40 years after the beginning of the Afghan crisis, the situation is very worrying and the country is trapped in insecurity," he said.

 

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"As in the past, Afghan officials must work to resolve this crisis with the help of their neighbors, especially Iran and Pakistan, and through numerous meetings with various factions of Afghanistan," he suggested

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/175655/US-root-of-crisis-in-Afghanistan

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

Turkish expert:

Why Turkey seeks to continue military presence in Afghanistan

Email interview with the Turkish expert Güller which was conducted originally in the Turkish language:

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TEHRAN, Jul. 01 (MNA) – Mehmet Ali Güller told Mehr about Turkey's continued military presence in Afghanistan and said that Erdogan's agreement with Biden on Afghanistan was to resolve Turkey's domestic and economic problems.

As the NATO troops and the United States are withdrawing from Afghanistan, the Turkish government has offered to continue its military presence in Kabul.

 

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There are many differences between Turkey and the United States, especially when it comes to the fight against terrorism. Despite all these differences, both Biden and Erdogan have called for cooperation to improve relations between the two countries.

 

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Providing security to the US and NATO at Kabul airport may secure Erdogan's interests in Turkey's internal politics, but overall, it will not be a good thing for Turkey.

Not only Afghanistan but also Ukraine, Georgia and the Black Sea are potentially divisive issues between Turkey and Russia. Because the most unfavorable situation for the United States in this region is the cooperation of Turkey, Russia and Iran. 

 

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Resolving the Afghan crisis can be done by economic support from neighbors, for example by giving interest-free loans or providing cheaper energy. For example, Iran with energy support and China with economic support can help improve the situation in Afghanistan.

Turkey, too, can assist the Afghan people in the field of education and health without military intervention.

All in all, the issue of Afghanistan is not about the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). The people of Afghanistan, with the help of neighboring countries, can solve their problems. Afghanistan does not have shared borders with the United States, rather it enjoys the vicinity of its neighbors.

 

 

Interview by Azar Mahdavan 

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/175546/Why-Turkey-seeks-to-continue-military-presence-in-Afghanistan

[Guest Curious]

Talibans saying they will protect shias and not persecute them.

https://youtu.be/iUUUGNdVv5Q

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Meedy]

10 hours ago, Guest Curious said:

Talibans saying they will protect shias and not persecute them.

https://youtu.be/iUUUGNdVv5Q

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its impossible to believe since they always targets civilians but never the western forces. 2ndly how about the hazars i mean they're shia too or they pick and choose? Just because Taliban  classify themselves as Muslim or claim to be "representing islam", does not mean they're even human,considering how they treat women etc.

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[Guest Curious]

9 hours ago, Meedy said:

Its impossible to believe since they always targets civilians but never the western forces. 2ndly how about the hazars i mean they're shia too or they pick and choose? Just because Taliban  classify themselves as Muslim or claim to be "representing islam", does not mean they're even human,considering how they treat women etc.

Look i am not saying talibans are good guys. But from what i understood, Iran had an agreement with them saying "do what you want as long as you dont go in our country and dont target Shia (hazaras included)". So if this is like that i think this is good. If never taliban dont respect that then i Hope iranian authorities will help afghan persians and shias.

[Northwest]

Does anyone know why the Taliban always claim to oppose America yet always act on the side of America?

If they lie about opposing America, why do they believe Islam allows them to lie and side with imperialists?

Edited July 10, 2021 by Northwest

[Ashvazdanghe]

Hi @Northwest there is great diffence between leaders of Taliban & miltia of Taliban which their leaders are under heavy influence  of secrect services of Pakistan & KSA which these services are taking orders from America  & Israel then these services are giving orders & manifests to the leaders of Taliban but on the other hand Taliban militants  are doing anything based on a mixture of hard core beliefs & tribalism which they think that they are fighting  in sake of Islam  & against    any foreign  forces with blind trust to their leaders .

[Meedy]

@Ashvazdanghehey brother, Apparently they may have taken control of several areas with iran border , what's situation in Iran in regard to this and plus I heard there was explosion in

[Abu Hadi]

4 hours ago, Northwest said:

Does anyone know why the Taliban always claim to oppose America yet always act on the side of America?

If they lie about opposing America, why do they believe Islam allows them to lie and side with imperialists?

The Taliban was originally formed by the CIA / MI6 to fight the Soviet Union (USSR) in the late 1970s, early 1980s. One of the very pivotal people who helped form the group was Donald Rumsfeld. When the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan a few years later, the 'official' story is that the US Govt no longer had contact with them and basically left them to their own devices. I don't believe that, and I think the CIA / MI6 still kept their connection with them, to serve various purposes, such as doing terrorist attacks against Iran, doing operations in coordination with Pakistani Secret Service, etc. They are a tool of Imperialism, but not completely. They sometimes act independently, mostly to secure their own economic interests. 

Their main source of income is growing and processing of poppies which become heroin. The vast majority of the worlds heroin has its origins in Afghanistan, because the environment is perfect for growing poppies, which are the main ingredient in heroine. So they are a drug cartel, who attempt to gain legitimacy amoung the people by preaching about Islam, when their main source of income is something which is haram (forbidden) in Islam, i.e. drug cultivation and trafficking. The Mexican drug cartels, btw, do the same thing. They talk about how they are doing what they are doing to help the poor people and to keep the Mexican culture, which includes Catholicism, free from foreign influence and corruption. If you take the speeches of some drug trafficker like El Chapo, and translate them into Pashtu, or the other languages spoken in Afghanistan, it could be used as is as a Taliban speech. 

Most people with two brain cells to rub together realize that their speeches are all nonsense and really they are only out for themselves and keeping their own power and their own privledge. They whip up anti US sentiment when it is convenient for them to do that, and they run to the US Govt for help when it is convenient for them to do that. They are now a real life manifestation of the story of Frankenstein. A monster, created in the lab to serve a certain purpose, who gained independence and now is running thru the land creating chaos and destruction. 

Ironically, the key to defeating the Taliban lies in the US population. If Americans would stop using heroin in the great amounts they use it in, the Taliban's main source of income would dry up and they would be gone in a few weeks. I'm not holding my breath for that to happen, though. That's what drug users don't realize. By doing what they are doing they are not only harming themselves, but they are helping to destroy other nations and the lives of other people they have never even met. 

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[Haji 2003]

1 hour ago, Abu Hadi said:

Their main source of income is growing and processing of poppies which become heroin.

There is this however, which is used to argue that opium production declined under the Taliban, before the Americans invaded. That point is widely made, I am not saying that it is 100% correct.

[lover]

Some facts about the Taliban:

Who are the Taliban?

The Taliban is a terrorist group fighting Afghans, Afghan civilians and soldiers alike. The extremist group has up to 85000 full-time fighters. [1] Many of their fighters were forced to join that group, for example through kidnapping and extortion. The Taliban fight with weapons produced abroad, because Afghanistan has no weapons industry.

The Taliban use deception and propaganda in their current war on Afghans, such as "we will not persecute religious minorities" and "we will allow female Afghans education and work". Anyone who knows the Taliban and those areas over which they rule know how it will end up, once they control the country.

Moreover, the Taliban, spread lies through their spokesmen about their military progress and exaggerate in this regard. [2]

And while they negotiate peace in Iran [1], they brutally attack Afghan soldiers and civilians. 

 

Do the Taliban practice Islam?

The Taliban belong to the Hanafi Sunni branch of Islam, whose adherents range from Afghanistan to Turkey and make up the largest group of Sunnis. In addition, the Taliban are heavily influenced by the Wahabi teachings of Saudi Arabia through the so-called madrasas.

Any other interpretation of Islam is not tolerated by the Taliban and political or religious opponents are liquidated, as has often happened in the past.

They also ignore Quranic verses that warn against violence or killing innocent people:

"And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve."" [Quran 18, 29]

"Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood." [Quran 2, 256]

"Whoever kills a soul, without [its being guilty of] manslaughter or corruption on the earth, is as though he had killed all mankind, and whoever saves a life is as though he had saved all mankind" [Quran 5, 32]

The Prophet's teachings and him being a role model allowing criticism has no meaning for them.

 

Are there any counter-movements against the Taliban?

Besides the Afghan military, there are several individual movements against the Taliban that are not yet coordinated with one another, unfortunately.

1) the movement of Tajik Afghans in northern Afghanistan

"In response to the Taliban’s onslaught, local militias are fighting back. Most notable among them is a coalition of militias in northern Afghanistan called the Second Resistance, led by Ahmad Massoud (the son of Northern Alliance commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, who was assassinated in September 2001). The Second Resistance has several thousand fighters and militia commanders who have fought against the Taliban, mostly of Tajik origin." [1]

2) the movement of Hazara Afghans in central Afghanistan

"But it’s not just seasoned veterans that are forming militias. Ethnic Shia Hazaras, thousands of whom were massacred between 1996 and 2001 by the Sunni Taliban, have tended to lack militias of their own. But after a wave of attacks in May that killed 85 people (mostly female students), Hazaras are also now rushing to mobilise." [1]

Some of the military leaders of Hazaras are Zulfikar Umid and General Alipur.

3) the movement of former warlord Ismail Khan in Herat

Since the Taliban also threaten Herat on a massive scale, the 75-year-old Sunni and former warlord Ismail Khan also announced that he is going reactivate his troops against the Taliban:

""We will soon go to the frontlines and with the help of God change the situation," said Ismail Khan, once a leading member of an alliance of guerrilla fighters who battled the Taliban during the US invasion after the September 11 attacks." [2]

4) There is the movement of the Afghan people similar to that of the Popular Mobilization Units (PMU) in Iraq. Across the country, tens of thousands of Afghan civilians have taken up arms to fight side-by-side with Afghan army soldiers against the Taliban, according to Al Jazeera: 

"Many Afghans back a recent wave of nearly 30,000 people taking up arms across the country, while others question the wisdom of arming so many people in a country where millions of dollars were poured into disarmament and reintegration programmes." [3]

 

Bibliography

[1] Lindstaedt, Natasha. "Afghanistan: two decades of Nato help leaves a failed and fractured state on the brink of civil war." The Conversation, 9 July 2021, https://theconversation.com/afghanistan-two-decades-of-nato-help-leaves-a-failed-and-fractured-state-on-the-brink-of-civil-war-164206. Accessed 10 July 2021.

[2] "Veteran Afghan warlord Ismail Khan vows to fight Taliban again." France 24, 9 July 2021, https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210709-veteran-afghan-warlord-ismail-khan-vows-to-fight-taliban-again. Accessed 10 July 2021.

[3] Latifi, Ali M. "Afghans say recent Taliban advances forced them to take up arms." Al Jazeera, 6 July 2021, https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/6/afghan-civilians-take-up-arms-to-support-troops-against-taliban. Accessed 10 July 2021.

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[Ashvazdanghe]

 

[lover]

 
There are parallels between the rise of ISIS in Iraq in 2014 and of the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2020/21.

1) The Taliban is using many foreign extreme Sunni fighters in Afghanistan.
This has been confirmed in various media outlets based on videos and witnesses.
CNN writes: "He also suggested some Taliban fighters were not from the region and may have been foreign because he could not understand what they were saying when they spoke between themselves."
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/13/asia/afghanistan-taliban-commandos-killed-intl-hnk/index.html
In doing so, they ally with foreign Islamist forces to oppress Afghans.

2) The Taliban also commit war crimes: "Gunfire erupts. At least a dozen men are seen shot to death amid cries of "Allahu Akhbar" -- God is Great. The victims were members of an Afghan Special Forces unit: their executioners, the Taliban. The summary killings took place on June 16 in the town of Dawlat Abad in Faryab province, close to Afghanistan's border with Turkmenistan. CNN has obtained and verified several videos of the incident and has spoken with witnesses."
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/13/asia/afghanistan-taliban-commandos-killed-intl-hnk/index.html
If the Taliban are serious about human rights and want to establish a civilian government in Afghanistan, they should investigate such incidents and extradite the culprits to The Hague (War Crimes Tribunal).
But the Taliban are not interested in human rights. Their complete veil will fall when they take all of Afghanistan, God willing.

3) The world and especially the USA ignore the extremists and let Afghans suffer, as they did with Iraq in 2014, while their interests lie in oil-rich countries like Syria and Iraq.

Moreover, General Abdul Raziq, a Pashtun anti-Taliban police chief in Kandahar, was shot dead shortly after a negotiation with U.S. representatives in 2018.
This is the video with his last meeting with the USA (I put a Hashtag before the link to avoid spaming the site): #https://youtu.be/AOCYmoe0xsY
Raziq was a critic of the U.S. in Afghanistan and wanted to solve the Durand Line between Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the border where the Taliban originated and is impossible for Afghanistan to control.
Currently, Atta Mohammed Noor in particular, who was allied with Raziq, is fighting the Taliban in North Afghanistan Province of Balkh, where also many Shia live.
https://www.khaama.com/there-is-a-real-possibility-of-civil-war-in-afghanistan-atta-muhammad-noor/
Nevertheless the Taliban already feel the high pressure on them and begin to react to news about them:
"The report is from a fake scene combined with footage from another where 22 commandos were killed during clashes while carrying out an operation in Faryab province," a Taliban spokesperson wrote."
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/13/asia/afghanistan-taliban-commandos-killed-intl-hnk/index.html
They also kill journalists who cover about the war:
"Pulitzer Prize-winning Reuters photographer Danish Siddiqui killed in Afghanistan"
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/16/media/danish-siddiqui-reuters-journalist-afghanistan/index.html

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[Ashvazdanghe]

8 minutes ago, lover said:

1) The Taliban is using many foreign extreme Sunni fighters, including Arab and Turkic-speaking fighters in Afghanistan.
This has been confirmed in various media outlets based on videos and witnesses.
CNN writes: "He also suggested some Taliban fighters were not from the region and may have been foreign because he could not understand what they were saying when they spoke between themselves."
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/13/asia/afghanistan-taliban-commandos-killed-intl-hnk/index.html
In doing so, they ally with foreign Islamist forces to oppress Afghans.

2) The Taliban also commit war crimes: "Gunfire erupts. At least a dozen men are seen shot to death amid cries of "Allahu Akhbar" -- God is Great. The victims were members of an Afghan Special Forces unit: their executioners, the Taliban. The summary killings took place on June 16 in the town of Dawlat Abad in Faryab province, close to Afghanistan's border with Turkmenistan. CNN has obtained and verified several videos of the incident and has spoken with witnesses."
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/13/asia/afghanistan-taliban-commandos-killed-intl-hnk/index.html
If the Taliban are serious about human rights and want to establish a civilian government in Afghanistan, they should investigate such incidents and extradite the culprits to The Hague.
The Taliban are not interested in human rights. Their complete veil will not come down until they take Afghanistan.

Salam althought  I'm not supporting  Taliban however

no 1 )is a wrong conclusion  because  Taliban is only has accepted  support & influence  of Pakistan which presence  & " using many foreign extreme Sunni fighters, including Arab and Turkic-speaking fighters in Afghanistan" is due intervention  of Turkey & America & Israel under guise  of supporting  Taliban but on the other hand It's just for supporting Daesh/ISIS as rival of Taliban which Taliban has refused this vicious support of Turkey & criticized  presence  of Turkish forces in any airport of Afghanistan  under guise of protection of  airport(s) which Turkey is using airport(s) for inserting it's agents  likewise Arab and Turkic-speaking fighters just for it's benefits  neither Taliban nor Afghans .

 

No 2) It's not yet approved  by an ubiased & trustworthy  source because similar incidents have happened when Pakistani  agents have matyred members of Iran's embassy  under guise of pretending  to be members  of Taliban which , It's probably  this time  killers are members of Daesh/ISIS which they are pretending  that they are members of Taliban which propaganda  medias (MSM) likewise CNN are introducing  them as Taliban under pretext of misusing  Taliban attacks in favor of hiding atrocities  of Daesh/ISIS  due to current situation in Afghanistan .

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The Taliban are not interested in human rights. Their complete veil will not come down until they take Afghanistan.

Basically  Taliban is just interested to deviated  sunni Sharia law which Human  Rights has no value & credibility  for Taliban which at upmost of their power last time  , It only can conquer  some parts of Afghanistan & Kabul but this time Taliban is weaker than it's  previous uprising  the major problem  is wasting valuable  time by current  govt of Afghanistan by seeking help from America  & causing disunity between  resistance  group by Ashraf Ghani's government  due to hidden agenda his party & America  for total Pashtunizing Afghanistan by allowing  to extremists  from Taliban & Turkey  agents  for genocide  of Hazaras or forcing them to fleding  to countries likewise  Iran then conquering  their properties  & lands & placing Pashtuns in Hazara regions.

[Meedy]

39 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Basically  Taliban is just interested to deviated  sunni Sharia law which Human  Rights has no value & credibility  for Taliban which at upmost of their power last time  , It only can conquer  some parts of Afghanistan & Kabul but this time Taliban is weaker than it's  previous uprising  the major problem  is wasting valuable  time by current  govt of Afghanistan by seeking help from America  & causing disunity between  resistance  group by Ashraf Ghani's government  due to hidden agenda his party & America  for total Pashtunizing Afghanistan by allowing  to extremists  from Taliban & Turkey  agents  for genocide  of Hazaras or forcing them to fleding  to countries likewise  Iran then conquering  their properties  & lands & placing Pashtuns in Hazara regions.

The Taliban are bunch of thugs and criminals (God Curse them), They're not much different than other terrorist groups. They recently requested from tribal leaders to give them women/girls over 15 for the purpose of sexual jihad. They'll massacre the hazars and shia in generals. Sadly they're already started. The Ashraf Ghani himself and the government are corrupt, they have been completely silent about all this, lost of territories to the terrorists because  they know they can just seek asylum in other countries whilst people suffer, they're completely gutless. Pakistan has a major role in supporting the taliban. They use the so called "Sharia Law" as excuse to torture and kill people.

The Afghan Army is weak, it wouldn't even stand against Mexican/Southern American Gang groups. The army is weak because it does not have the resources to fight, the government could not careless about the army. The terrorists on the other hand have support of paksitan/Saudi/Us/Israell who send them soldiers and weapons.

One more thing, When I say Paksitan, I am talking about the government or certain groups in the goverment. I didn't mean to offend any Pakistani brothers/sisters in here.

I didn't mean to offend anyone, Just frustrated about what's happening in my country with so many innocent lives in danger whilst the Ashraf Ghani (donkey) gov is asleep..

[Northwest]

There is a growing danger to Iran and other states that many people do not recognise: the pan-Turkic/Islamist synthesis under Erdoğan’s AKP-and-MHP-ruled, Muslim Brotherhood-aligned, pan-Sunni/pro-Wahhabi–Salafi, GCC-financed, NATO-and-Israel-run Turkey. This nexus already began emerging in the earliest 1980s, as a pro-Western Turkish government began seeking to align itself and reconcile pan-Turkic with Wahhabi–Salafi-influenced “Sunni” ideology. A pseudo-“secularist” form of Sunni chauvinism had long been present, of course, in certain strands of pan-Arab ideology, particularly that of the Iraqi Baathists under Saddam Hussein. As has been seen throughout history, pan-Sunni ideology, whether outwardly “secular”- or explicitly religious-nationalist, has been quite effective in overcoming racial and ethnic divisions among Sunni populations, and has been skilfully manipulated by external agents, including foreign powers, for political and other advantages.

• Pan-Turkic ideology. Ethnic-nationalist ideology historically linked to the Masonic, crypto-Zionist Young Turks, particularly the British-backed Enver Pasha, and MHP founder Alparslan Türkeş. The MHP in particular is explicitly based on European fascism, just as Zionism itself is an expression of that ideological current, promotes the racial supremacy of the Turkish nation, and advocates the creation of a Greater Turan (similarly to the Nazis’ Greater Germany), based on the legendary ancestral homeland of the Turks (and related Mongols), Ergenekon. Like Atatürk, pan-Turkic advocates were and are largely secularist in orientation, but unlike Atatürk, they reject the notion of Anatolia—the location of the Republic of Turkey since its post-Ottoman, post-World War I founding—as the Turks’ sole homeland, thus opposing Atatürk’s noninterventionist foreign policy. The MHP’s paramilitary wing, the Society of Hearths, is better known as the Grey Wolves and was established by NATO and Israel as a counterweight to the pro-Soviet communists and leftists in post-World War II Turkey. Many Turkic members of the Grey Wolves collaborated with the wartime Axis against the USSR. The Grey Wolves have also been responsible for many massacres of non-Turkic peoples, many of whom are religious minorities as well, inside Turkey to this day. During the Iraq–Iran war the MHP and its Grey Wolves supported the Western-backed Saddam Hussein against Iran and Syria, hoping to break up those states along ethnic lines and restore the former Ottoman Empire’s Turkic core. Up until the present the Grey Wolves have also sided with pan-Turkic, nationalist separatists, from the Balkans to the Caucasus and Central Asia, including Xinjiang, thus threatening the territorial integrity of Russia, China, and Iran, given that Chechens, Azeris, Uzbeks, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, Uighur, and other ethnicities are Turkic. The Albanian mafia is also tied to Turkish-fronted, NATO-and-Israel-controlled drugs, arms, and organ trafficking.
• Earth Island. Historically, the Anglo-Saxon powers, along with other imperial entities of their respective eras, understood that Eurasia, particularly its South-Central Asian core, harboured most of the world’s peoples and resources, up to and including esoteric factors such as occultism, which plays a major role in Masonic sects such as “Madame” Helena Blavatsky’s Theosophy and also influenced the Nazis’ search for Shambhala (the source of the famed “Shangri-La”) and Agartha, alleged etheric, subterranean cities that may or may not figure in most of the world’s religious traditions, given that even Abrahamic tradition, along with ancient and classical mythology, acknowledges the existence of the terrestrial underworld, be it known as Sheol or Hades. The notion of an underworld also pervades much of Tibetan Buddhism and Eurasian animism. As paraphrased by British Imperial statesman Harold Mackinder: “He who controls the Earth Island controls the world.” This is why the Anglo-Saxons and other powers have warred against rival Eurasian powers such as the Russian and Chinese (Han) empires, to not mention the various Persian and Indian dynasties, including such Muslim ones as the Mughal, so as to either control the Earth Island outright or prevent any single, rival power from dominating it.
• Wahhabi–Salafi Islamism. An attempt has been ongoing since the 1980s to create a Turkic-fronted “flavour” or variant of GCC-backed Islamism, in which the Turks are to be indoctrinated with Wahhabi–Salafi ideology, whether cynically or sincerely, and yet also retain the notion that the Turkic Wahhabi–Salafi “Muslims” are biologically as well as spiritually superior to all other Muslims, to not mention any and all “infidels” (by Wahhabi–Salafi definition) and “subhuman” races. Given that the Turks are far more militarily powerful and competent than the Saudis, the Saudis and their partners in the GCC are financing the Turks and handing over their assets such as Daesh, al-Qaida, and the Taliban to Turkey, so that the Turks under Erdoğan may more effectively impose the Western-Zionist-Masonic NWO agenda on the rest of the planet. The resulting synthesis of pan-Turkic and Wahhabi–Salafi ideology is mistakenly promoted by Western MSM as a kind of “Neo-Ottoman” ideology, yet the fact is that the old Ottoman Empire was based on traditional Sunni, Hanafi jurisprudence, not the Masonic, Western-driven concoction known as Wahhabi–Salafi ideology, much of which is fronted, at least in part, by the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood, another Masonic creation in and of itself.

Edited July 18, 2021 by Northwest

[Abu_Zahra]

Ultimately you cannot have it both ways. When the Western coalition invaded, the muslimeen (rightly) protested and condemned this.

Now that they finally left, we can't start lamenting their absence. 

Each people needs to fight for their own freedom, you cannot expect someone to step in and hand it over to you. 

The struggle will sadly have to continue.