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May Allah protect Shiachat from US censorship!!

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5 hours ago, Zainuu said:

US has blocked many websites include popular ahlulbayt TV which is mostly apolitical and neutral

You can still access ahlulbayt tv's youtube channel... for now

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Lol they think that's gonna do anything to stop the movement of Imam Hussein (عليه السلام)? Yazid freaking KILLED Imam Hussein, and that did nothing to to hinder the unstoppable force that is Shia Islam. Ban the websites, Allah will replace them with 30 more. They plan, and He plans.

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11 hours ago, Zainuu said:

Now, we need an alternative to internet itself. 

But it would be better if we create it by our own hardwork rather than 'preferring China over US'.

I have said before, possibly on here that the internet was better when it was still the "wild west" and people could say whatever they wanted by programming their own "homepages" on Tripod, Angelfire, GeoCities, etc. It was called web 1.0 and was certainly more interesting than the very small bit of internet that exists now through social media: which is really just a means of running surveillance on people and figuring out how to best deliver manipulative advertising to them in order to get them to part with their hard-earned money.

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8 hours ago, realizm said:

Hello Joe Biden ! 

The "news" acts like he's just so much better than Trump when he himself said "Nothing is fundamentally going to change". Even though he spent his campaign promising that everything was going to change.

It's because the real owners of America, the people who are obsessed with "The Market" and believe that it should run society, do not ever want there to be any sort of substantive change to the way things are in this country, because real substantive change is bad for "The Market" and they seek to keep everything in a state of stability so that they can continue to make $60mil by shuffling paper around & then say "WE NEED MORE!"

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15 hours ago, Zainuu said:

So, here is the reason:

So....... Ok. Presstv is selling drugs.:hahaha:

Surprise, Surprise. Ahlulbayt TV was actually engaged in biological and radiological weapons. :hahaha::threatenlumber:

So... Is this "The War on Drugs", "The War on Terror", or "The War on Communism"? I can't tell. 

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3 hours ago, layman said:

The reality is any website or channel that exposes the reality of Western hypocrisy and domination will be attacked and stopped by all means possible.

Or any person that's remotely critical of the status quo. That's why Big Tech is able to censor people who point out obvious hypocrisy and flaws in the liberal western system and the government does nothing to stop it and ensure free speech. They've outsourced censorship to private corporations because "if you don't like it, then don't use the platform" but what they fail to tell you is that social media is the de facto "public square" now, and the range of opinions that are allowed to be expressed on it is policed by the platforms themselves, supposedly under the guise of preventing "hate speech" but "hate speech" has come to mean any opinion that runs counter to the approved narratives: materialism is good, LGBTQ ideology is a necessary and positive thing, white people are all inherently wicked, atheism is the only truth in the universe, and other "greatest hits" of Western liberalism operating under the guise of so-called "democracy"

But here's the rub: America isn't a democracy. It's a fascist enterprise entirely owned and controlled by multinational corporations that uses military might to enforce these corporations' will on the rest of the world and the global South in particular. Average working class Americans, people of modest means were thrown overboard in this country forty years ago when consumer finance decided that it, rather than a government selected by the people, should be the ones that run the society. So they got one of their own (Ronald Reagan) into power and he began dismantling any and all regulation on the finance industry, which allowed banks to loan consumers money so that they could continue to consume and power the economy while real wages stopped rising in the 70s. In the 1990s, Clinton finished what Reagan started and parceled out the last bit of government power to private corporations, then in 2001 they rang in the beginning of the mass surveillance and police state era by demolishing two buildings in NYC with the help of their best friends, the Saudis. (9/11 was a controlled demolition, there's simply no way that two plane strikes took down those towers and collapsed them almost perfectly into their footprint).

America has been funding terrorism since the start of the cold war (search Operation GLADIO to learn more), but since their move to traumatize the average American with threats of "terrorism" on September 11, 2001, has been a global terrorist enterprise tied to a colonial project in the Middle East (Israel). America exists now solely so that the astronomically wealthy can increase their wealth and to give billions of dollars in support of the Israeli colonial project every year while Israel eventually swallows up the entire levant because the remaining Evangelical Christians in America will always back it's expansion, as they see Israel's existence as fundamental to fulfilling New Testament prophecy.

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4 hours ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

white people are all inherently wicked

Ironically, PressTV directly and indirectly promotes this liberal meme with its constant stories about “evil” Trump and “evil” whites:

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The former US President, who drew sharp criticism for his racist and xenophobic rhetoric that emboldened white supremacists to attack people of color in the US, ...

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13 hours ago, notme said:

So... Is this "The War on Drugs", "The War on Terror", or "The War on Communism"? I can't tell. 

All together.

This is a massive threat to the national security of The Unites States.

:coffee:

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4 hours ago, Zainuu said:

All together.

This is a massive threat to the national security of The Unites States.

:coffee:

To clarify, do you mean the censorship under false charges is a threat, or the uncontrolled media is a threat? 

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I hate to say 'I told you so' but remember last year when Twitter shut down Trumps account ? I told you guys that I don't support this because they're doing this to set a precedent. Once the precedent is set, the next step will be to go after us (Shia media). I think I've made my feeling very clear about how I feel about Trump, at the same time, we cant just support things randomly without thinking about the implications. 

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3 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

I told you guys that I don't support this because they're doing this to set a precedent. Once the precedent is set, the next step will be to go after us (Shia media).

Oh absolutely, and this is what I've been saying for a long time to my real life and Christian friends: If they can silence the POTUS, then they can (and will) silence you, because the goal of these companies that have become the de facto public square is to restrict speech to within a specific window of acceptable public opinion: pro lgbt/queer, anti-white, anti-male, atheist, pro corporate, pro liberalism, pro interventionist. It was a brilliant move by the government to outsource speech to private companies so they can control thought and opinion.

And I was not a tremendous fan of Trump. I thought he was better than Hillary Clinton but he was still a degenerate who fornicated with pornographic performers while his wife was pregnant, he didn't have any religious values whatsoever and deep down, really didn't care about protecting the rights of religious people and it was obvious how he didn't do enough to stop the big tech censorship from happening. He should have used an executive order to seize Jack Dorsey's assets when Twitter started censoring conservatives.

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6 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

I hate to say 'I told you so' but remember last year when Twitter shut down Trumps account ? I told you guys that I don't support this because they're doing this to set a precedent.

It's not the same. Twitter is a private company. The US government is not. It's like Shiachat banning Trump. And Twitter ban is not a precedent because governments have banned Press TV a long time ago. The US seized many IRI related domains during Trump's time too - it's not new.

I don't think the US government is going to use Twitter as a testing ground or a means of escalation. They can do it without Twitter.

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3 hours ago, Muhammed Ali said:

Twitter is a private company. The US government is not

Twitter is the de facto public square now. I wish this wasn't the case, but it's how people choose to communicate their message to the world and Twitter is only allowing a certain range of opinions to be broadcast through their platform. When people try to make their own platforms (Parler for instance) Twitter and the legacy media put pressure on the company hosting that platform to remove it for something as nebulous as "hate speech".

Nobody can explain what "hate speech" means and that's the point: "Hate speech" can be defined as anything and eventually will be defined as any opinion critical of American liberalism. It's already happening too: If you give the Islamic opinion that "men cannot become women" or that "homosexuality is a sin" then you've committed "hate speech" and will be censored, fired from your job, and probably beaten up or have your home attacked by communist Antifa goons. If you decide to defend your home and shoot them, you will be arrested because Antifa is the armed paramilitary enforcer wing of the democrat party and not only enjoys their protection, but has propaganda run on their behalf by God-hating media outlets like Clinton News Network.

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12 hours ago, Muhammed Ali said:

It's not the same. Twitter is a private company. The US government is not. It's like Shiachat banning Trump. And Twitter ban is not a precedent because governments have banned Press TV a long time ago. The US seized many IRI related domains during Trump's time too - it's not new.

I don't think the US government is going to use Twitter as a testing ground or a means of escalation. They can do it without Twitter.

The line between public and private is becoming blurred. Although platforms like twitter and Facebook may not be 'officially' part of the U.S. government, they are supported to such a great extent by the US Government (by allowing them to circumvent most laws that apply to others like liability laws, laws against monopoly, tax codes, labor laws, etc) that you could almost say they are part of it. If you look at Social Media, something which most people in the world  use on a daily and probably hourly basis, and it's controlled by basically 2 companies, Facebook and Twitter, both US based companies which enjoy wide priviledges (listed above, some of them at least) that no other company in the history of the world has enjoyed, that doesn't happen by accident. 

They have a deal with the US Government. We will exempt you from most laws that apply to other companies and steer as much money your way as you need. In return, you need to give us all your data that you have on individuals and their habits, so that we can use this data to manipulate public opinion in our favor. There is no other Taghuti ruler or Empire in history that has had this type of data. If you read George Orwell's book, 1984, this has basically become reality. They have a record of every thought, every opinion, every purchase, every click of almost everyone on earth on an hourly basis. These companies and the US Government are working hand in hand to accomplish their goals. So can you really say they are separate ? I don't know but I don't think so. 

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On 6/25/2021 at 8:49 AM, notme said:

To clarify, do you mean the censorship under false charges is a threat, or the uncontrolled media is a threat? 

That was a satire actually.

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2 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

These companies and the US Government are working hand in hand to accomplish their goals.

I don't think government controls the companies. I think the Big Capitalists control the government through money and social influence. We don't have anything even resembling a democracy anymore, if we ever did. Right and wrong is determined by the highest bidder, and keeping us divided makes us easier to control and manipulate. 

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That's why I don't have an active Facebook or Twitter account anymore. I am not saying that I never will, it may become a necessity at some point, but for now I don't. I understand that these are a necessity for some people due to realities of the world we live in today, but definitely if I needed to, I would have the minimum activity that I need in order to support the particular need that I have, then get off. 

There is no reason why a Muslim, a Shia should support these platforms outside of the realities of life, i.e. those thing necessary for survival. There is no reason why someone should be going on these platforms and posting things about themselves that could come back to harm them in the future, or be used to manipulate the opinions of others. These platforms are a tool of the Taghut, those who set themselves up as an object of worship besides Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and force others to obey them. If it wasn't so obvious in the past, it should be obvious now. I also think that people, both inside and outside the US are sick and tired of giving over so much power and so much of their lives to these two platforms. They are looking for alternatives, and I am hoping in the future the world of social media will be a more diverse place. 

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7 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

I also think that people, both inside and outside the US are sick and tired of giving over so much power and so much of their lives to these two platforms. They are looking for alternatives, and I am hoping in the future the world of social media will be a more diverse place. 

Do you know any designers and coders? It isn't difficult to create, as I understand it. I've never tried and I'd have to start from near-zero computer experience. But if a social site is grown slowly and consistently, it could become quite large and even necessary before any of the Big-C knew what was happening. I've got concerns about fragmentation of society by ourselves dividing into cliques, but I'm sure it could be done in a way that exposes users to a diversity of ideas and stimulated creative and critical thinking, rather than creating the deadly social media bubbles. Maybe something could be developed which matches up users for interaction not with their selected people who share their opinions, but with people whose opinions and values are different from their own.

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On 6/26/2021 at 5:00 AM, notme said:

We don't have anything even resembling a democracy anymore

An oligarchy disguised as a democracy. The illusion of power given to reinforce that citizens control the nation by voting. Meanwhile everything is planned out meticulously to benefit those who paid the most for their version of a tomorrow.

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2 hours ago, Patient Warrior said:

An oligarchy disguised as a democracy. The illusion of power given to reinforce that citizens control the nation by voting. Meanwhile everything is planned out meticulously to benefit those who paid the most for their version of a tomorrow.

Worse, the system relies on continuous increase. If it isn't increasing, it is failing, and our world is finite so it will fail. If we keep this system, there is no possibility but failure. That's obvious to everyone who steps back and looks, but the oligarchs keep us divided and distracted so they can continue to devour and extract. 

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16 hours ago, Patient Warrior said:

An oligarchy disguised as a democracy. The illusion of power given to reinforce that citizens control the nation by voting. Meanwhile everything is planned out meticulously to benefit those who paid the most for their version of a tomorrow.

Exactly!!!

Democracy as a practical working system doesn't exist. 

Democracy is the biggest fraud of the modern civilization. Tbh, it is a system to divide people and marginalize everything. Why the elites want to spread this everywhere, ever thought?

Because they know it is only a name and it has no practical form. 

What they want to spread is a capitalist/neo liberal democracy which means a democracy controlled by capitalists and neo liberals.

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3 hours ago, Zainuu said:

Democracy as a practical working system doesn't exist. 

Democracy is the biggest fraud of the modern civilization. Tbh, it is a system to divide people and marginalize everything. Why the elites want to spread this everywhere, ever thought?

What do you propose as a better governmental system? 

I don't think the world currently has or possibly ever has had a complete democracy on a large scale, but it seems to me that technology makes it quite feasible, and that is what "the elites" fear. I'm of the opinion that power always corrupts a fallible human being, and to reduce that corrupting effect, it should be divided among as many individuals as can be managed. 

However, I'm very interested in better ideas. 

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1 hour ago, notme said:

What do you propose as a better governmental system? 

You can't run away from the idea of centralization of a system.

So, a better (not best) system would be to form a committee or something which takes in probably the most incorruptible people on it. This committee should be considered the policy maker of the nation. It should essentially be the replacement of 'elite class' in democracy. Then, under there supervision a democratic system should be present where they approve those candidates who can be the righteous leaders of the country. 

In this way, people will not only elect a president which would be of there choice, by there vote but they would choose the best among the good ones. The risk and chances of having a corrupt leadership will be there but they will be reduced by a great margin. 

The leadership in this case will be the one which is needed by the people at that time rather than merely chosen by them. 

The only reasonable question remains that how will that committee be incorruptible?

It is simple. They must strictly adhere to a system of values and ethics. They must be extremely serious about following this value system. 

As a muslim, a religious spiritual scholar can stick to this task who is God fearing and applies strict moral and ethical values to his life. 

For me Wilayat al Faqih is still a better system than corporate democracy or socialist democracy. And definitely, Nizaam e Wilayat which can only be applicable if Imam (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) arrives, is the best of all. 

People don't actually need this liberty to vote and choose by themselves. They need a leadership which only keeps them as a priority. Just an example: They will be happy with a king who cares about them rather than a democratically chosen president who cares about his donor class.

 

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2 hours ago, notme said:

don't think the world currently has or possibly ever has had a complete democracy on a large scale, but it seems to me that technology makes it quite feasible, and that is what "the elites" fear.

Technology is just a tool. That too is controlled by the elite not people. Tbh, technology doesn't change anything. You see how manufacture of consent works. They polarize media to get what they want and they are successful. In the last 40 years (atleast), US was unable to produce 1 leader who did not prove himself to be a war criminal. 

Even if you remove this media polarization and manufacturing consent, what do you get? All the candidates from left to right are corrupt. Why? Because the system is corrupt. Media is just there to make it look good and give a sense that all is well.

Let us even say that you get a good candidate by any chance. He would be against pseudo feminism and against LGBTQ+. I guarantee you, he will not win because choice of people will never be to undermine someone who keeps aside LGBTQ+. Hence, now you have to fight the mindset developed among the people. 

So, you see how many levels of lies and fake propaganda is created. It all happened because of modern world which runs under modern ideologies that was given a protective cover by democracy so that people don't see how bad it is. Then, this very democracy is controlled by those who are the founding fathers and legacy carriers of the modern civilization.  To hide all of this as a whole, media is there. 

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DNO. Democracy in name only. 

A functional democracy would require free, open, and unbiased exchange of information and a population with enough education and leisure time to learn about the issues and candidates. This is what the world has never had.

1 hour ago, Zainuu said:

People don't actually need this liberty to vote and choose by themselves. They need a leadership which only keeps them as a priority. Just an example: They will be happy with a king who cares about them rather than a democratically chosen president who cares about his donor class.

This is true. 

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18 minutes ago, notme said:

A functional democracy would require free, open, and unbiased exchange of information and a population with enough education and leisure time to learn about the issues and candidates. This is what the world has never had.

Exactly! Which is impossible.

We are unable to produce a ruling group which is incorruptible (not even one leader). How can we change the entire population to actively participate in politics? This is impossible. Even if it becomes possible, they are just electing someone. 

As chomsky says, a true free democracy is the one in which masses nurture and produce there leader. 

It is not at all possible. Even if this becomes possible, how can we say that the leader 'by the people' will always be the leader 'for the people'?

People are of a thousand kinds. Which kind will they exactly produce?

We have seen in Sri Lanka and Nazi Germany how leaders were elected by the public and it was majoritarianism and fascism respectively.

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