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Quran uncreated or created ?

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There is an argument that Quran is “ilm ilahi” and his knowledge is unlimited and uncreated. So Quran can not be created. Can someone discuss on this.

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23 minutes ago, Arminmo said:

There is an argument that Quran is “ilm ilahi” and his knowledge is unlimited and uncreated. So Quran can not be created. Can someone discuss on this.

14 - حدثنا أبي (رضي الله عنه)، قال: حدثنا سعد بن عبد الله، قال: حدثنا محمد بن عيسى بن عبيد اليقطيني، قال: كتب علي بن محمد بن علي بن موسى الرضا (عليهم السلام) إلى بعض شيعته ببغداد: بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم، عصمنا الله وإياك من الفتنة، فإن يفعل فأعظم بها نعمة! وإلا يفعل فهي الهلكة، نحن نرى أن الجدال في القرآن بدعة اشترك فيها السائل والمجيب، فتعاطى السائل ما ليس له، وتكلف المجيب ما ليس عليه، وليس الخالق إلا الله، وما سواه مخلوق، والقرآن كلام الله، لا تجعل له اسما من عندك فتكون من الضالين، جعلنا الله وإياك من الذين يخشون ربهم

بالغيب وهم من الساعه مشفقون (1).

My father (رضي الله عنه) narrated to us. He said: Sa`d b. `Abdullah narrated to us. He said: Muhammad b. `Isa b. `Ubayd al-Yaqtini narrated to us.

He said: `Ali b. Muhammad b. `Ali b. Musa al-Rida (عليه السلام) wrote to one of his Shi`a in Baghdad: In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. May Allah protect us and you from sedition, for if He does, then it will be a great blessing! If He does not, then that is perdition. We see the argumentation regarding the [createdness of the] Quran as an innovation (bid`a) in which the questioner and the answerer are partners in. The questioner engages in that which is not his [to engage in], and the answerer assigns [to himself] that which is not incumbent to him. There is no creator but Allah, and everything other than Him is created. The Quran is the words of Allah, so do not give it a name from yourself, lest you be from the misguided. May Allah make us and you of those who fear their Lord with regards to the unseen, as they are in awe of the Hour.

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35 minutes ago, Arminmo said:

There is an argument that Quran is “ilm ilahi” and his knowledge is unlimited and uncreated. So Quran can not be created. Can someone discuss on this.

:bismillah:

إِنَّا جَعَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ {3}

[Shakir 43:3] Surely We have made it an Arabic Quran that you may understand.

وَإِنَّهُ فِي أُمِّ الْكِتَابِ لَدَيْنَا لَعَلِيٌّ حَكِيمٌ {4}

[Shakir 43:4] And surely it is in the original of the Book with Us, truly elevated, full of wisdom.

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