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3 minutes ago, Diaz said:

What’s that brother? Even google never heard of that word.

It's the combo of Christianity and Islam. wikipedia page is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Chrislam

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1 minute ago, musa shakr said:

It's the combo of Christianity and Islam.

And what’s that suppose to mean? Being Christian and Muslim?

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Just now, Diaz said:

And what’s that suppose to mean? Being Christian and Muslim?

they combine both Islam and Christianity into a single new religion. I think it's a bad thing.

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That's how I see Islam anyway. We are followers of Jesus p.b.u.h and every prophet before him. The previous true religions stack on each other and overlap perfectly. 

But to call myself a JeChrisLim is silly, just Muslim gets the message across that I follow Muhammed, Jesus, and Moses pbut.

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14 hours ago, musa shakr said:

they combine both Islam and Christianity into a single new religion.

Can you do this?  Of course not!

But then what is religion?  Anyone can coble together a bunch of practices and words from different religions and invent a new set of practices.  But the important thing is not practices, words and what we call ourselves is it?  The important thing is knowing God and living our lives transformed by that on going encounter.   Whether people are from a Christian or a Muslim background or heritage (even pagan for that matter) we all need to have be transformed by our relationship with God and join his family.  Jesus the Messiah invites us to be born again into his kingdom.  What we call ourselves doesn't matter, it is who we are before God that counts.

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18 hours ago, musa shakr said:

what do you think of it.

How would u combine things which cancel each other out?besides which christian denomination does it apply to 

some christians follow Jewish style laws ie no pork Jesus was a man circumscision etc and u got other christians with crazy belief trinity eat pork shellfish Jesus god etc 

but generally Islam and Christianity is at odds , opposite sides in actions ie prayer fasting food clothing everything 

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Power elites know that Christians and Muslims will soon be uniting under the banner of Imam Mahdi (a) and Jesus (s) shortly so they're attempting to preempt this by creating as much confusion as possible to serve as a delaying tactic...in a nutshell, "Chrislam" seeks to fuse or synthesize Muslims and Christians (Islam and Christianity) under the banner of NATO-led One World Government (i.e. borderless statism) and secularism...people like the Pope, Shaykh Yasir Habib, Shaykh Mohammad Tawhidi and Sayed Ammar Nakshawani are all actively participating in this movement...after decades of teaching intolerance in their curriculum, Saudis (for the first time) are cleansing hate speech from their "Madrasa" school books and joining the "Chrislam" trend

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15 hours ago, realizm said:

Jewslim, judaislam.

Judaislam = Wahhabism 

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On 5/12/2021 at 3:56 PM, Diaz said:

And what’s that suppose to mean? Being Christian and Muslim?

False unity under the guise of Abrahamic faith or Abrahamism...most interfaith dialogues revolve around the same premise...no substance and fake bonding...no real heart-to-heart discussion and subtly celebrating religious diversity/pluralism/relativism

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4 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

False unity under the guise of Abrahamic faith or Abrahamism...most interfaith dialogues revolve around the same premise...no substance and fake bonding...no real heart-to-heart discussion and subtly celebrating religious diversity/pluralism/relativism

I too find interfaith dialogue an interesting experience.  The fact I'm even allowed to be here on ShiaChat and contribute is a honour and privilege - thank you!

I would like to think that when Muslims and Christians get together and talk about their faith and spirituality there is a genuineness and a real desire to understand and have warm friendships.

Celebrating religious diversity can go two ways.  One it says let's leave everyone as they are and enjoy the cultural and religious expressions of art and social activity.  The other is to acknowledge we are diverse and different then to move on to really discover if those differences are important and what we personally and as a community are going to do about it.

I had an interesting experience this morning.  I see an Asian man taking his children to school each morning as he passes my window.  This morning, assuming he was a Muslim, I went out and greeted him "Eid Mubarek" and passed on a small box of chocolates.  His reply was "Thank you but I'm a Hindu".  He took the chocolates anyway!

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On 5/12/2021 at 3:51 PM, musa shakr said:

what do you think of it.

The idea of the Trinity, God as three 'persons' ?, The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is the central pillar of modern day Pauline Christianity, which is basically 99% of Christianity as it currently exists. If you disbelieve in this concept, you are not considered a Christian, at least by 99% of Christians today. 

At the same time, in Islam, if you believe in the Trinity, you are not a Muslim, since the central pillar of Islam is Tawhid, i.e. the Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is One, Eternal, Indivisible, and has no son and no need of helpers or assistants to carry out His(s.w.a) will. So you can't be both. It is an either or. If you believe in Trinity, you are a Christian. If you believe in Tawhid, and that Rasoulallah(p.b.u.h) is the Messenger of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), you are a Muslim. 

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9 hours ago, Dave follower of The Way said:

The fact I'm even allowed to be here on ShiaChat and contribute is a honour and privilege - thank you!

 Open-mindedness and freedom of expression (within predetermined Islamic parameters) are an inherent part of the Islamic tradition...this isn't a modern innovation borrowed from liberalism but a 1,400 year old bonafide perspective based in Islamic traditionalism...you're welcome!

9 hours ago, Dave follower of The Way said:

I would like to think that when Muslims and Christians get together and talk about their faith and spirituality there is a genuineness and a real desire to understand and have warm friendships.

Genuine understanding and warm friendships based on sincerity...sincerity and proper intention is everything in Islam!

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9 hours ago, Dave follower of The Way said:

One it says let's leave everyone as they are and enjoy the cultural and religious expressions of art and social activity.  The other is to acknowledge we are diverse and different then to move on to really discover if those differences are important and what we personally and as a community are going to do about it.

A third approach would be to use interfaith dialogue as an opportunity to step outside comfort zones for an hour or two...act as forensic investigators and shed layers of subjectivity...objectively analyze issues from the perspective of the opposition 

9 hours ago, Dave follower of The Way said:

I had an interesting experience this morning.  I see an Asian man taking his children to school each morning as he passes my window.  This morning, assuming he was a Muslim, I went out and greeted him "Eid Mubarek" and passed on a small box of chocolates.  His reply was "Thank you but I'm a Hindu".  He took the chocolates anyway!

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On 5/12/2021 at 5:17 PM, Abu Nur said:

Shaytan movement if they mix their religion to one.

The way of Satan is deception and inversion...Imam Mahdi (a) and Jesus (s) will likewise blend both religions into a singular solidified entity...but they will do it through light and truth...through reason and revelation...Imam Mahdi (a) and Jesus (s) will bring about a technological civilization to liberate and free human beings...Dajjal manipulates science in order to enslave humanity under the guise of freedom (i.e. "Dajjal will you call you to something that resembles Heaven but (in fact) his Heaven is Hell and his Hell Heaven"...so both sides are advocating similar ideas...the proponents are juxtaposed to one another.

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For the Muslims, the idea to create Chrislam is not acceptable.  We already have the true teachings, but not entirely true followers.

For non muslims, especially the Christians in the West that attracted toward teachings of Islam but not ready to be called a muslim, the Chrislam maybe a transition period.

At the end, the truth will dominate the falsehood and will prevail.

The same was the case with Malcom X and Nation of Islam, and the end he became real muslim after performing the Hajj.  He changed his name to a Muslim name.

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@notme and @Abu Hadi have made it clear that there are things in Islam and Christianity that are irreconcilable. (BTW I dispute that there is such a thing as Pauline Christianity - that is a contradiction in terms)

The understanding of God the one true creator and Jesus the Messiah are very different in both faiths so bringing them together as one, as far as I can see, is not possible.  We must choose how we are going to relate to God the creator and Jesus the Messiah.

On 5/14/2021 at 9:38 PM, Eddie Mecca said:

A third approach would be to use interfaith dialogue as an opportunity to step outside comfort zones for an hour or two...act as forensic investigators and shed layers of subjectivity...objectively analyze issues from the perspective of the opposition 

This is an interesting and helpful comment.  I'm reading a book at the moment which suggests we need to "not look at the world from our faith position but look at our faith as the world sees it."  If we do this, view our beliefs and practices from the perspective of "the other", the outsider, it can help us to understand and grapple with some of the issues in our faith which we might otherwise ignore.

I have found that listening to Muslim people as they express their faith and describe Christianity as they see it, has helped me to reassess my perspective on what it means to be a follower of Jesus and a worshiper of the creator God.  I am grateful for this challenge and hope that it will continue.  Our knowledge and experience of God must never be static and defined.  I believe that if it is, it is dead.  Something that is alive, develops and changes and grows deeper each day.  I praise God that my relationship with him is such a living and dynamic experience.

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