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Alawi ARE SHIA Twelvers.


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I am here to clear this up once and for all. 

The Origin of Alawi:

If you read Al Khisibi's books he says we Alawites do believe in the 12 Imams and that we follow pure Shia doctrine. 

The drifting:

Then after time we went astray from Islam and incorporated secret non Muslim practices and beliefs. Among the 4 tribes of Alawi there was religious disputes.

The restoration period:

In the 1980s alawi shayks were sent to Qom to learn Twelver jurisprudence and we were restored to our shia roots. 

We are Muslims. We are twelvers.

Signed

Principle/Brother Mike Smith

 

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I wouldn't consider Al Khasibi's doctrine pure...

 

I'm all for Alawis returning to regular Shia Islam, and I know many already have hence scholars saying they are Muslims, but let's not pretend Al Khasibi had a pure doctrine lol

 

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19 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

:salam:

completly agree .:NH::clap::cool:

Alhamdulilah brother.

We are Twelvers. 

In Submission 

BeMiS (brother mike smith) 

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Sure, brother Khasibi was not a prophet so he did make mistakes but his identity was twelver. 

Regardless, since the restoration period we Alawi are really now a school of thought among the usuli shia. 

BeMiS 

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The Views of the Shiite Authorities about the Syrian Alawites

Shiite authorities, including Ayatollah Sayyid Ali KhameneiAyatollah Safi GulpayiganiAyatollah Makarim ShiraziAyatollah Nuri HamadaniAyatollah Musawi Ardabili, and Al-Sayyid Muhammad Husayn Fadl Allah have considered the Syrian Alawites as Twelver Shi'as in reply to questions in this regard. The question has cited the statement by the Alawites in their 1972 conference in Latakia, in which they expressed their views which agree with those of the Imami Shi'as.

Ayatollah Ja'far Subhani holds that beliefs attributed to the Nusayriyya, such as immanence, exaggeration about the Imams (a), reincarnations, the prophethood of Muhammad b. Nusayr, Imam 'Ali's (a) and Muhammad (s) sharing the prophethood, incest marriage, and the like are just accusations without any reliable sources and evidence. He takes the greatest accusation against the Alawites to be the exaggeration about Imam 'Ali (a).

Rabbani Gulpayigani also believes that what old and contemporary sources say about Alawites are not reliable, because they are biased.

Lebanese scholars and authorities, such as 'Allama Sharaf al-DinImam Musa SadrMuhammad Jawad MughniyaMuhammad Mahdi Shams al-Din, and Shaykh 'Abd al-Amir Qablan consider the Syrian Alawites to be Imami Shi'as and supported them.

Alawi Branches

Ja'fariyya ,  Kulaziyya  & Haydariyya branches  have considered as Imamiyya or Twelver Shi'as & Shumaliyya branch  has Ghali/Qali belief  which Junbalaniyya is following  Al Khasibi  belief  & Murshidiyya which Alawites do not consider the Murshidiyya to be Alawites.

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Alawi Branches

Syrian Alawites have branched into some sects: Ja'fariyya, Shumaliyya, Kulaziyya, Haydariyya, Junbalaniyya (Khusaybiyya).

  • Ja'fariyya: this Alawite sect has the same beliefs as the Imamiyya or Twelver Shi'as. According to some sources, their population in Syria until 2006 was between 200,000 and 500,000.
  • Shumaliyya: the Shumaliyya or Shamsiyya is an Alawite branch living in the coasts of Lattakia. Among other things, they believe that Amir al-Mu'minin (a) will reappear in the heart of the sun.
  • Kulaziyya: the Kulaziyya or Qamariyya or Janubiyya is an Alawite sect living in the mountains. They are attributed to Shaykh Muhammad Kulazi. They believe that Imam 'Ali (a) lives on the moon. They take him to be the essence of the moon who is now hidden from the eyes. They believe that he will be visible when one's soul separates from his body. After the Islamic Revolution of Iran, this sect received the cultural and religious support of the Islamic Republic of Iran and abandoned its exaggerative beliefs, tending to more moderate Shiite views.
  • Haydariyya: it is attributed to Haydar which is a title of Imam 'Ali (a). The Haydariyya consists of two sects of the Qalandariyya Tariqa (mystical path): one of them is attributed to Qutb al-Din Haydar Zawa'i (d. 618/1221) and the other is attributed to Mir Qutb al-Din Haydar Tuni (d. 830/1426). Thus, Haydariyya turned into a branch of the Alawites with a restrained commitment to the Sharia. This sect was also supported by the Islamic Republic of Iran and as a result, its commitment to the Sharia and Islamic rulings increased.
  • Junbalaniyya: this sect was established by Abu Muhammad 'Abd Allah Junbalani (d. 287/900), known as Janan. In the 15th/21st century, the sect continues to exist in Syria as well as Iraq and Iran with eclectic beliefs from the Shi'as, the Sunni, the Sufis, and the Ghalis (people who exaggerate about the Imams (a)).
  • Murshidiyya: this is newly emerged religious sect which has branched from the Alawites in the 20th century. The sect is led by an Alawite called "Salman Murshid". He abandoned the main Alawite beliefs and turned to personal divinity which is a sort of polytheism. Thus, they do not consider themselves as Alawites, just as the Alawites do not consider the Murshidiyya to be Alawites. The followers of the sect are about 300,000 who mainly live in the governorates of Lattakia, Tartus, Homs, and the areas near Damascus such as Jobar and Mamuniya.

 https://en.wikishia.net/view/Alawites_(Syria)

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9 hours ago, 7ssein said:

but let's not pretend Al Khasibi had a pure doctrine lol

Muhammad b. Nusayr

According to sources of rijal, Muhammad b. Nusayr exhibited deviations which led to his dismissal by Imam al-Hadi (a). The situation continued in the period of Imam al-Hasan al-'Askari (a). His deviations in the period of Imam al-Hasan al-'Askari (a) were mainly concerned with exaggerations about the Imams (a). In the period of the Minor Occultation, the founder of the Nusayriyya claimed that he was a special deputy of Imam al-Mahdi (a). Thus, he claimed that Muhammad b. 'Uthman was the second of the Four Deputies of Imam al-Mahdi (a). This led to his dismissal by the close companions of the Imam (a). After the dismissal, Ibn Nusayr claimed the position of prophethood and then Godhood. He believed in reincarnation and exaggerated about Imam al-Hadi (a) claiming that the Imam (a) was God.

 

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Ibn Nusayr was succeeded by Muhammad b. Jundab. There is no historical information about him. Ibn Jundab was succeeded by Muhammad Jinan Junbalani who later established Junbalaniyya school in Sufism.

Junbalani went to Egypt where he met Husayn b. Hamdan al-Khusaybi and admitted him as a student. Thus, Junbalani was succeeded by al-Khusaybi in 287/900 in Iraq and became the head of the Alawites.

Al-Khusaybi migrated from Iraq to Aleppo and continued his mission in the period of Sayf al-Dawla al-Hamdani. Al-Khusaybi established the Nusayriyya in Syria by integrating the Nusayri doctrines into Sufism and by the support he received from the Hamdanid government, and in particular, the government of Sayf al-Dawla. Thus, he moved the Nusayriyya from Iraq to northern areas of Syria.

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Alawites_(Syria)

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Iran’s Support for Syria Pragmatic, not Religious (or, Who are the Alawites?)

 Sunni radicals often refer to the seven hundred year ol fatwas of Ibn Taymiyya to rationalize their brutality towards Alawis.

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  One piece of evidence that supports the idea that they deify Ali is that their shahada, or profession of faith, recorded in the one thousand year old Alawi canonical text Kitab al-Majmu, includes the phrase “There is no God but Ali.” Another proof can be found in a 19th century text that curses anyone who attributes human rather than divine qualities to Ali, as cited in Yaron Friedman’s The Nusayri-Alawis.

Yet despite these seemingly clear cut pieces of textual evidence, studying writings that are centuries old has its own set of limitations.  After all, how much could one understand about what modern Catholics think from looking at Vatican document on theology from one thousand years ago? Also, it is important to recognize that the majority of the modern voices claiming that Alawis deify Ali do not emanate from Alawis themselves.

https://www.juancole.com/2015/08/secular-alawites-crescent.html

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First, in 1936 the Sunni Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husayni, declared the Alawis to be Muslim in order to advance his pan-Arab agenda and counter the “divide and rule”strategy of the colonial powers.

Second, in 1972 Shia cleric Ayatollah Hasan Mahdi al-Shirazi declared “ the Alawis and the Shia are two synonymous words.”

 

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The Alawites Dadehs who have been honored by Ayatollah Sistani in Najaf Ashraf, quote Ayatollah Sistani as follows:

"You Alawites were the pigeons of the shrine of Imam Ali (عليه السلام), they decampmented you from here, is not it time to return?" that's mean; It is time to visit the shrine of Imam (عليه السلام), it is time to kiss the holy threshold of the shrine. It's even too late…

Keep young people away from the cancerous tumor of "Alawism without Ali (AS)" which originated in Europe and has been transferred to Turkey.

https://fa.shafaqna.com/news/710711/

https://tr.shafaqna.com/archives/75900/

 

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42 minutes ago, realizm said:

:salam:

I think there is a confusion between Alawism and Alevism here. 

Interestingly, I asked this question here, but I received little information:

 

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