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What do you think of effeminate men?

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9 hours ago, Northwest said:

No apologetics or justification needed. It is what it is.

Salaam,

That might sound apologetic. But as you said, it is what it is. Everything that sounds apologetic doesn't mean it is untrue. The power of men comes along with responsibility and accountability. Kids have more fun than adults because they don't hold any burden on there heads, though they lack power in every sense. Same is the case of woman. But the 'honor thing' is not necessarily linked to this. 

To sum up, the only thing that a woman should do and must do is obey the person she is with. Shaheed al Mutahhari in his book Hijab writes that even the house works are not her primary responsibility. If it sounds apologetic I don't care. But it is what it is. And I am talking in scope of the relationship. Not about her links with religion, society, her nature etc etc etc.

Now, the part of man comes. He is definitely a powerful being. So, equally he has to take up responsibilities. And equally he has to manage a large part. 

 

There is no comparison. Woman has a different set of responsibilities and man has a different set of responsibilities according to their merits and demerits. If men are soo powerful and superior then what is the need to marry and live with this weak creature who is just good for giving some pleasures and kids.

Why are soooo many craving for mutah on Shiachat :rolleyes:

And certainly, no where the infallibles and prophets have said such things. Yes, certain criticisms and seemingly extreme talks do come out but no where there is an indication or decree of any disrespect or honor to a woman.

Wassalam

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) bless you

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On 4/21/2021 at 12:40 PM, Northwest said:

Theoretically, what is wrong about a woman being a man’s slave? Women owe men almost everything for their existence and maintenance. Their position is similar to that of children in relation to their parents. Subservience is related to “serfdom” and hence slavery, which is not condemned in Islam. I think some people, even traditionalists, are too apologetic when defending masculinity. They always have to defend themselves by saying, “Yes, women should be subservient to men, but by no means do I imply women are to be slaves...” What is wrong about being a good slave and fulfilling one’s duties? A lot of men today are scared to exercise power, including the right to physically discipline women and children (both dependents and slaves by definition), because society has castrated men’s physical reality. A century ago plenty of men beat their children and/or wives to the point of bleeding. Now men are no longer permitted to exist, much less exercise power. Discipline must hurt, even physically, in order to be effective, especially on emotional, incompetent slaves such as women and children. Otherwise they will fail to adhere to their proper duties early on and later in life. A major component of the NWO is not only disarming men, but also preventing them from physically disciplining their slaves.

Lol someone is talking about u and the guys who agrees with u xD

 

 

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Beating women is never okay it has nothing to do with feminism or any of the nonsense excuses u guys r making here 

anyone that’s grew up with an aggressive father will tell u how horrible it’s made their life not to mention the poor woman who got the abuse be it physically or verbally , it’s never okay ,so don’t act like it’s some part of religion or especially Shia Islam or try to justify it with some anti ism rhetoric  , it has nothing to do with anything , it’s just abuse and it’s wrong 

the prophet was kind and gentle with all his wives and so were all imams and their true companions and any decent Muslim weather Sunni shia or otherwise 

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On 4/19/2021 at 5:06 PM, Dawid Das said:

You are not a real man if you support feminism. A woman can never be equal to a man. God created man to put his will in society.

For this reason there has always only existed male prophets and never female prophets.

 

Christianity does have female Prophets- Huldah and Deborah come to mind first, the former being extremely important. Than the Virgin Mary in most understandings of Christianity is seen as greater than a Prophet. The reason I am saying this is that you list Christianity as your Religion. 

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On 4/19/2021 at 6:25 PM, Dawid Das said:

women being equal to men in the sense that they can do everything that men can do. 

Let hope you are never incharge of an MMA match. I'd hate to see a heavyweight female in the ring with a male heavyweight.

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A real man does not lay his hand upon a woman in anger or with the will to do violence. A man is always going to be stronger than a woman due to physical differences such as muscle mass & bone density, and thus by hitting her he not only terrorizes her but terrorizes his children and men who cannot control his anger at either his wife or his children is profaning the sanctity of the home and it's no wonder that his wife would want to divorce him: he is failing in his duty of protecting her.

A real man does not oppress women, a Muslim man does not oppress anyone

A real man realizes that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) created men and women different, but complimentary to one another. As a result of this, in Islam, men have rights that women do not have, but women also have privileges that men do not. The notion that a woman cannot be educated, work outside the home in a professional field (such as an obstetrician or gynecologist or even an engineer), or cannot drive a car has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with culture. There are plenty of sisters who seek professional degrees and work outside the home for a while, but once a woman is married, the man should carry the burden of providing primarily for the family. The woman's career in this case should be second in priority to her duties in the home in most cases.

Having said that, the man has to help around the house and carry his weight when it comes to performing household chores such as cleaning and preparing dinner (I always say that the couple that prepares dinner together, stays together). The man does not get to go to work all day and then come home to simply ignore his children and sit in front of the XBOX all night. That's not a man, that's an overgrown boy.

I am not married. I doubt I ever will be, because I have a few health problems that make marriage and family unlikely (do not want to pass on certain negative health traits if they are hereditary, which judging by my own father, I think they are). However, as a neutral party I can see what is wrong with most marriages in this day and age: men neither bear the burden of providing for the family or do not contribute to the work within their own household and pile it all onto the wife in most cases. Men do not act like men, they act like overgrown teenage boys and it's no wonder that many women are fed up with them.

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On 4/21/2021 at 5:40 AM, Northwest said:

Theoretically, what is wrong about a woman being a man’s slave? Women owe men almost everything for their existence and maintenance. Their position is similar to that of children in relation to their parents. Subservience is related to “serfdom” and hence slavery, which is not condemned in Islam. I think some people, even traditionalists, are too apologetic when defending masculinity. They always have to defend themselves by saying, “Yes, women should be subservient to men, but by no means do I imply women are to be slaves...” What is wrong about being a good slave and fulfilling one’s duties? A lot of men today are scared to exercise power, including the right to physically discipline women and children (both dependents and slaves by definition), because society has castrated men’s physical reality. A century ago plenty of men beat their children and/or wives to the point of bleeding. Now men are no longer permitted to exist, much less exercise power. Discipline must hurt, even physically, in order to be effective, especially on emotional, incompetent slaves such as women and children. Otherwise they will fail to adhere to their proper duties early on and later in life. A major component of the NWO is not only disarming men, but also preventing them from physically disciplining their slaves.

Well, This post is very problematic. Now, I DO agree that in a marriage, A women should not overpower a man. HOWEVER, In this respect, is not true in Islam. If you actually mean "slave", then in no way do I agree at all. This is a little over the top and backwards, and I'm sorry, but unless women take abuse, NO women is gonna accept this and not get divorced, especially in this era. Considering the women of this era are far different then the women at the time of prophet, actually scratch that, Aisha literally lead armies. So I'd say that how women were treated during the Prophet's time is better then what your suggesting. Just because Women and Children were beaten to bleeding centuries ago doesn't mean it's alright, and in no way is this related to Islam.  Adultery in Arabia was seen as alright before the Prophet, that doesn't mean it's somehow alright. and finally, What your proposing is preposterous, considering it's implying that all men are right and women are wrong. There are a lot of men who are not in the right, in a similar manner to all these feminine boys, and there is women that are in the right. No married man should treat their wife like this. I agree that men should stand up to the extremely soft approach, but this is just unacceptable way of thinking. Please rethink.

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On 4/19/2021 at 12:06 PM, Dawid Das said:

You are not a real man if you support feminism. A woman can never be equal to a man. God created man to put his will in society.

For this reason there has always only existed male prophets and never female prophets.

I don't know what this means. Do you mean in Marriage? If so there is really no such comparison, since they have different duties. Equality in what? Please elaborate.

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On 6/21/2021 at 4:28 PM, Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki said:

Now, I DO agree that in a marriage, A women should not overpower a man. HOWEVER, In this respect, is not true in Islam. If you actually mean "slave", then in no way do I agree at all. This is a little over the top and backwards, and I'm sorry, but unless women take abuse, NO women is gonna accept this and not get divorced, especially in this era. Considering the women of this era are far different...

The problem is that today’s “morality” is subjective and rests on personal preferences and assumptions. Furthermore, mere conservatism only addresses the present and is insufficient to prevent the Overton window from shifting toward liberalism over time vis-à-vis dialectical processes. For example, first the suffragettes demanded the vote, then women’s participation in masculine spheres (i.e., political and economic offices), then cross-dressing, then unveiling, then contraception, then abortion on demand, then legalisation of pornography and adultery, then control of marriage and divorce, ... and so on. Across much of the developed world, especially in the West, the court system is biased against men, along with the media and other key institutions. Even in Iran men are now allowing women to run for the presidency. So the trend toward liberalism is a worldwide phenomenon and has been occurring since the late Middle Ages: starting with the rise of the Renaissance, engendering the Protestant Reformation, and culminating in the Scientific and Industrial Revolutions. One would need to instil a reactionary ethos in order to undo all these disastrous trends and restore a healthy society that perpetuates the human race via sustainable replacement rates (live births). Currently mankind faces an ageing population that cannot be addressed without significant societal overhauls that curtail the fruits of liberalism. Both secular realists and religious devotees can recognise this biological reality and imperative. The problem is that today’s women are entitled and their nature would be to oppose any and all change that restricts their newfound “freedom(s).” Perhaps my posts were a bit hyperbolic, but the point still stands.

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