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That is a speculation. For us it is better to follow guidelines to not cause other sick and take care of us.

Unnecessary speculation. 

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11 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

:clap:"Good . . . he is in psychiatric breakdown."

Lol it’ll take more than a lack of understanding, semantic arguments and ignorance of punctuation to do that my dear brother :brucelee:

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3 minutes ago, BlueInk said:

will the 313 be required to wear a face mask, and will they stand 6 feet apart at Mecca?

 

Brother, regurgitating this is not going to convince anyone. 

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To all readers:

A moderator said: Try to understand that I don’t do speculation on things that I don’t have any knowledge. If it was to reflect what our Imam wants from us, I will read the narrations and Quran, this is what we are doing everyday, seek knowledge and act upon it.

This is my reply to him: 

Your life is not guaranteed tomorrow and only Allah knows this so are you saying you don’t plan your days at all ?

Are you not speculating on your every second on this earth ?

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11 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

:clap:"Good . . . he is in psychiatric breakdown."

Not an insult, but an expression related to his teenage years.

Lol is that why your here? To post non sensical semantic arguments? Instead of answering the OP. 
 Do you love the Imam? Would you hug him if you saw him? Profess your love and service to him and his family? If not then why have you been trying to distract readers from the original questions my dear bro? What is the state of Shiachat when someone asking about his Imam begets trolling? This is not the site that I remember that helped solidify my love for Allah and his Prophet and Those vested with authority.

Ya Mahdi adrikniiiiiii :helpsos:

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4 minutes ago, BlueInk said:

To all readers:

A moderator said: Try to understand that I don’t do speculation on things that I don’t have any knowledge. If it was to reflect what our Imam wants from us, I will read the narrations and Quran, this is what we are doing everyday, seek knowledge and act upon it.

 

 

This is my reply to him: 
 

Your life is not guaranteed tomorrow and only Allah knows this so are you saying you don’t plan your days at all ?

Are you not speculating on your every second on this earth ?

They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. 4:157

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2 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Lol is that why your here? To post non sensical semantic arguments? Instead of answering the OP. Nope
 Do you love the Imam? No

Would you hug him if you saw him? N0

Profess your love and service to him and his family? No

If not then why have you been trying to distract readers from the original questions my dear bro? Because they are non-nonsensical 

What is the state of Shiachat when someone asking about his Imam begets trolling? Objections to your fantasies is not 'trolling'. 

This is not the site that I remember that helped solidify my love for Allah and his Prophet and Those vested with authority. All this for a flight dow memory lane? :hahaha:

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To readers aimed specifically at age 24 and under: I would like to offer the following thought excercise.

read below:

I said: if Imam appeared today, 99% of the forum will say Labbayk ya Yazid.

Evasive argument:

Prophet (S):

«اِنَّ اللهَ حَرَّمَ مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِ دَمَهُ وَ مالَهُ وَ عِرْضَهُ وَ اَنْ یُظَنَّ بِهِ ظَنَّ السُّوءِ».

God has forbidden blood, wealth, reputation and suspicion about a Muslim.1

And yet they killed Hussain as

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6 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. 4:157

You blindly follow the media which has lied to us for as long as we can remember and you call what we say conjecture. You speculate that the vaccine is the best way to go, when we have better cures proven to have no side effects. May Allah guide us all.

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6 minutes ago, hasanhh said:

Thanks.

Can you do a few clarification exercises.

Those who die without recognising the Imam of their time, dies the death of those in the time of jahillya. 
wasalam to you. 
also my brother even tho you say you don’t love the Imam Al Mahdi, he still loves you. :grin:

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Readers: now you see that speaking up against the current order is always met with  the following patterns from those who don’t want to take responsibility for themselves.

 

First: it’s rejection. You’re crazy, you’re wrong, you’re stupid, you’re a cultist, you’re against knowledge and learning.

Second: it’s denial. You’re right but how does this apply to me? Im a good muslim and a knowledgeable Shia, and I know I’m supporting my imam no matter what. I know he will forgive me even if I am working day and night for his enemies.

lastly: it’s justification. I can’t do anything, I’m just one person. I can’t do anything, I don’t know how to start a fire in the woods. I can’t do anything, my parents will scold me.

 

When Prophet Muhammad (May Allah forever honor him and bless him) came to us, this happened.

 

1. Declaration of prophethood

2. Angry kuffar, cowardly friends, doubtful onlookers, insecure mockers.
 

3. when the shovel hit the dirt, the muslims became hypocrites.

When the words Ashhadu An La Ilaha IllAllah first echoed across the sands of Arabia and into the pagan townships for the first time, the enemies of that message tried to kill it. Murder it. Brutalize it. Force it into submission. Our Prophet stood strong and those loyal stood strong in spite of it.

when they could not silence the message of La Ilaha IlAllah, they tried to bribe our Beloved Messenger.

they offered him wives, lands, even rulership, horses, riches, anything that would make anyone else agree and sit quietly.

when they could not bribe him, they started the equivalent of a world war against him. Tribes and nations and merchants and supplies from across Arabia and beyond cams flooding to the scene and a battle ensued.

 

when the Divine Promise came, and Rasulallah Allah saw the Angels descending in the thousands and routing the masses of enemies in a crucial battle, Mecca was soon entered bloodlessly on the part of the Prophet and Ahlul Bayt.

the capital city of Hubal, Manat, Lat, Uzzat, is now only singing the name of the one and only Allah.

 

Now, the situation has reversed.

Remember: History does not repeat itself, Man repeats himself.

it is Adam’s story. His-story.

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21 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Those who die without recognising the Imam of their time, dies the death of those in the time of jahillya. 
wasalam to you. 
also my brother even tho you say you don’t love the Imam Al Mahdi, he still loves you. :grin:

Leave him, brother. Any one can live without love, but none can live without water.

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1 hour ago, BlueInk said:

lastly: it’s justification. I can’t do anything, I’m just one person. I can’t do anything, I don’t know how to start a fire in the woods. I can’t do anything, my parents will scold me.

 

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17 hours ago, BlueInk said:

will he take the vaccine?

practice social distancing?

Require Jibraeel as wear a face mask?

Require a Covid passport?

be standing 6 feet apart from Nabi Isa?

will his 313 be standing behind him 6 feet apart and be wearing face masks?

...In order to travel, communicate with everyone and enter places of worship?

:salam:

Definetly  no because after his reappearance  all types of illness & disability  will remove from shia community  around the world which no type of illness will find or affect his followers  which death of his followers  just will be in battle field or natural death like too much aging.

17 hours ago, BlueInk said:

Will he wear a mask?

 

11 hours ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

These are questions that barely any Shia want to ask or answer. What does that say about our current state? Would he allow vaccines created from aborted fetal cells?

 

”How could the serpent be purposely put in charge of the country? Genetic engineered sickness spread amongst me!”

It's before his reappearance  which after his reappearance  the shia community  won't need any type of vaccine  or medicine  anyway Iran has produced covid vaccines  based on moral teachings  of Shia Islam which after passing human tests everyone  can use these vaccines  without being  worry about the issues  which you have mentioned .

10 hours ago, F.M said:

This is exactly what came into my toughts too..

interesting topic keep it up!!

 

9 hours ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

But what effects will these mutations caused by the vaccines have on us? Will we pretend to follow him and then abandon him like the kufans did with Hazrat Muslim? I don’t even care if I’m the only one with him cuz dying by His side would be sweeter to me than honey:cryhappy:. For those of us who love Him how do we make sure our loved ones don’t pull us away before he even completes the congregational prayer?

ya Ali Adrikni

this is the point which he is still in occultation  which after his reappearance  anyone  that will pray behinds of him will be his devout follower like guardians  of Imam Hussain  (عليه السلام) during his last Salaah/Namaz in day of Ashura which nobody betray or leave him even his enemies  cut them into pieces .

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look if it goes about science we are missing lots things, including we dint have a proper medicine that cures an ilness, same goes with A vaccine, if we dont have clear medicine that cures, do youbreally think a vaccine is really that usefull? Answer; absolutely no,

when imam al mahdi comes there will be not science that are designed by knoweldge of kaffirs. He will use his own knowledge which god granted him. 

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And yes i also support the comments that say" why would imam mahdi take a vaccine made with the worst ingredients, including eggs,Dead cells of animals and most nasties things... 

This really shows how much knowledge we lack that we make such medicine. And we also forgot that the companies and industries that dont even care about human life. Its all about the money

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8 hours ago, notme said:

How many here have had polio? How about measles? Rubella? I bet most of y'all under 30 never even had chicken pox 

Antivaxxers are mindlessly following YouTube gurus and not logic, science, and good common sense. It's depressing that several shia brothers and sisters have joined this cult of arrogance and selfishness. 

Well i as a child got vaccinated, and still got chickenpox,typhus, and more illnesses, i was most of my childhood ill. 

which science you talk about?made from kafiirs? Are we forgetting what happened in the history? How these people even used their science to infect people on purpose and make them die.
 

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18 hours ago, BlueInk said:

will he take the vaccine?

practice social distancing?

Require Jibraeel as wear a face mask?

Require a Covid passport?

be standing 6 feet apart from Nabi Isa?

will his 313 be standing behind him 6 feet apart and be wearing face masks?

...In order to travel, communicate with everyone and enter places of worship?

Are you putting jokes about Angels? 

Angels are not hurt by any physical thing. 

If Allah (عزّ وجلّ) desires, Imam will do as Allah (عزّ وجلّ) orders him even if he orders him to act to encourage other to take vaccine and abide by health laws. Like Prophet (PBUHHP) ordered how should a plague be dealt with and as Prophet Moses (عليه السلام) went to a doctor on the order of Allah (عزّ وجلّ). 

Prophets and Imams are here to teach you how to live and they do not show miracles every time. Miracles are for clarifying that the person speaking is really a Prophet or Imam (عليه السلام)

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30 minutes ago, F.M said:

Well i as a child got vaccinated, and still got chickenpox,typhus, and more illnesses, i was most of my childhood ill. 

which science you talk about?made from kafiirs? Are we forgetting what happened in the history? How these people even used their science to infect people on purpose and make them die.
 

Alhamdolillah bro very good point. It gladdens my heart to see Shias like you guys. I wonder what goes through the mind of those who blindly follow the media.

 

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

:salam:

Definetly  no because after his reappearance  all types of illness & disability  will remove from shia community  around the world which no type of illness will find or affect his followers  which death of his followers  just will be in battle field or natural death like too much aging.

 

It's before his reappearance  which after his reappearance  the shia community  won't need any type of vaccine  or medicine  anyway Iran has produced covid vaccines  based on moral teachings  of Shia Islam which after passing human tests everyone  can use these vaccines  without being  worry about the issues  which you have mentioned .

 

this is the point which he is still in occultation  which after his reappearance  anyone  that will pray behinds of him will be his devout follower like guardians  of Imam Hussain  (عليه السلام) during his last Salaah/Namaz in day of Ashura which nobody betray or leave him even his enemies  cut them into pieces .

I completely accept that during Al Mahdis reign there will be no illnesses but I ponder as to how this will happen. I know Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is all powerful and omnipotent but he does work through his creation.

And ive heard of the Iranian vaccine unfortunately its most likely not an option for us in the west. Is it for certain that this vaccine was definitely not created from cloned aborted fetal cells as well? That would be amazing. 
 

Inshallah we all will pray behind our beloved Imam and be His sacrifice to avenge the atrocities committed against the pure Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام). 
 

Thank you bros may Allahs mercy and blessing be increased upon you both.

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1 minute ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Alhamdolillah bro very good point. It gladdens my heart to see Shias like you guys. I wonder what goes through the mind of those who blindly follow the media.

Bro? I am a sis.  LOL

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28 minutes ago, F.M said:

Well i as a child got vaccinated, and still got chickenpox,typhus, and more illnesses, i was most of my childhood ill. 

which science you talk about?made from kafiirs? Are we forgetting what happened in the history? How these people even used their science to infect people on purpose and make them die.
 

cool i also got vaccinated and got none. 

6 hours ago, BlueInk said:

Let’s return to the original discussion. 
 

will imam Mahdi wear a face mask?

 

do angels have to take the vaccine?

 

will the 313 be vaccinated and stand 6 feet apart at Mecca?

Will Jibraeel and Mikaeel wear face masks as well?

My guy.... do angels have human bodies that they need vaccine? What did you try to prove with that. Even if the answer was yes would that mean anything. 313 will not neccesarily be vaccinated but even if some of them were would that ruin them as a person? If some of them were vaccinated would that change anything? Also i don't think there are restriction during war times but you are living in some modern society without war. You aren't out there sacrificing your life fighting for the Imam so you can't even compare urself to that. Militaries are trying to be as functional as possible so of course there isnt any restrictions there while the purpose of restrictions isn't to be functional but to cause least casualties.

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Lol ohhhhhh sorry sis .....still gladdens my heart tho :grin: may Allah increase His blessings and mercy on all the bros and sisters that truly think about what our beloved Imam would want instead of following the known enemy like lambs to the slaughter.

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1 minute ago, Khurasani said:

cool i also got vaccinated and got none. 

My guy.... do angels have human bodies that they need vaccine? What did you try to prove with that. Even if the answer was yes would that mean anything. 313 will not neccesarily be vaccinated but even if some of them were would that ruin them as a person? If some of them were vaccinated would that change anything? Also i don't think there are restriction during war times but you are living in some modern society without war. You aren't out there sacrificing your life fighting for the Imam so you can't even compare urself to that. Militaries are trying to be as functional as possible so of course there isnt any restrictions there while the purpose of restrictions isn't to be functional but to cause least casualties.

The vaccines from the west have shown to cause thousands of mutations to DNA so yea potentially it could ruin you as a person.....potentially. Also there has been war on the Ahlul Bayt and Shia since the Prophet was poisoned. It may not be a hard war but it is def a war for our souls at the very least.

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The vaccines from the west have shown to cause thousands of mutations to DNA so yea potentially it could ruin you as a person.....potentially. Also there has been war on the Ahlul Bayt and Shia since the Prophet was poisoned. It may not be a hard war but it is def a war for our souls at the very least.

The soul isn't part of the body so how is something injected into your body gonna make your soul evil.

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11 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

The vaccines from the west have shown to cause thousands of mutations to DNA so yea potentially it could ruin you as a person.....potentially. Also there has been war on the Ahlul Bayt and Shia since the Prophet was poisoned. It may not be a hard war but it is def a war for our souls at the very least.

Its all known that Usa and other western countries never used to care about human life. Especially shia/muslim life. 

i dont understand what these people have all in their mind. but why would out of sudden the whole kaffir western world care about all humans on this world and give them vaccines??????? while they dont even allow their own daughters/family members to get one. 

this is something to think about. Also its all known that media is anti-islam, anti-truth... they never wanted to bring opressed muslims live on tv. But know they care about muslim lifes?, black lifes?, poor people lifes? 

What a joke

 

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13 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

And ive heard of the Iranian vaccine unfortunately its most likely not an option for us in the west. Is it for certain that this vaccine was definitely not created from cloned aborted fetal cells as well? That would be amazing. 

I'm sure that Iranian vaccines have not created from cloned aborted fetal cells which one of these vaccines has made in joint cooperation with Cuba so I think that Iranian vaccines maybe shipped to Venezuela & Lebanon & other allies of Iran even maybe  Switzerland will be one of potential buyers of vaccines from Iran.

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People never change, the most dangerous thing is that they even get smarter and use new and better technology. This happened soo often in History. Including at muslims, jews, black people, slavic people,orthodox people.. but people hide the history

and yet we are considered a sort consipery theorists 
 

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18 minutes ago, Khurasani said:

The soul isn't part of the body so how is something injected into your body gonna make your soul evil.

Actually there are medicines , but i am not sure if i should say it on a online platform because i am sure lots people use such medicines as what i have seen on topics.. 

but yes side effects of some medicines can cause you to get hallucinations, mental ilnesses, and have huge impacts on youre thinking and Everything. 

the mods can decide if they want to delete this message. I would understand it if it got deleted. This is something we keep secret in pharmacies 

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7 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

I don’t think he’s right about a lot of things. For instance, he says Kaba represents black cube and muslims worship Saturn.  
See this thread:

but  I found this hadith on shiachat:

Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) said:

The Ka'bah is called "Ka'bah" because it is square-based. It is square-based because it is in correspondence to the Oft-frequented House (Bayt Ma'mur) [Qur'an 52:4, angels do pilgrimage to it like we do pilgrimage to ka'bah] which is square-based. The Oft-frequented House is square-based because the 'Arsh is square-based. The ‘Arsh is square based because the phrases upon which Islam is based are four: Subhanallah [Glory be to God]! Alhumdulillah [Praise be to God]! La ilaha il Allahu [There is no god but God]! and Allahu akbar [God is greater (than can be conceived)].

 

In the Quran it says the arsh of Allah is upheld by 8 angels. So could it be an octagon, or does each corner have two angels? Or is each corner held by an angel, while the side is held by another, making them a total of 8? I'd love to know if there is more material on this exact topic. There are other explanations that I can think of as well. 

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@BlueInkand @Syed.Dynasty

Nice to see you guys here again. 

I would just like to openly give my opinion on how we can more harmoniously discuss such matters with other humans, as it might surprise you that the schism that this topic causes, makes it that you have rainbow flags waving in anti covid protests of Europe, and drunk people holding beers, fighting with police for their freedoms. So with such people you will find more common ground in this topic than most Shia here. Of course there are also many straight and clean protesters on your side of the topic. But what I want to say is that this giant reset seems to divide mankind based on each individual, regardless of denomination. This website called shiachat is run mostly by people who trust a vaccine that isn't actually a vaccine at all, but an unproven gene therapy. One doesn't need to prove the scientific material, when the vaccine makers are pumping this stuff into people's veins a year after the start of the problem. We all know that trials and tests of any vaccine takes several years at least. Trying to convince us that half a year of testing is adequate has convinced most people on earth, including many of my relatives. It is their choice and their right. And I hope that God forgives the good ones among them who are naive and trusting of criminal pharma industry and eugenicist agendas of people obsessed with depopulation while making money with patented vaccines. Anyway, I really hope that this thread doesn't get thrown into the dust bin, or get locked, as is the case with pretty much all 'conspiracy' threads. But if it does, then don't get surprised, and just like you are planning for an escape from what looks like the mark of the beast, I suggest you look for friendly online alternatives to SC, where people like you and me are welcome to express our non-mainstream opinions. These sites might be run by non Muslims like David Ike, or we can make our own forums or blogs. I'm not a tech guy, so I'm kind of hoping that I experience an alternative Shia presence elsewhere, where people focus on the emergence of the Golden age, while accepting that today's sultans of industry, finance, and governance are not to be trusted without clear and open proof. A place where people can express opinions without being blocked by the world wide media effort to shut up anybody who questions those agendas. Ehrer people arent mocked or labeled for not believing some government policy and agenda. 

Anyway, I am personally one step from being banned on here, so I'll try not to serve a final warning on a silver platter, but if anybody here starts any kind of Shia group tolerant presence on another place, please let me know. 

I don't want to complain about it to anyone here, but this website is moderated and administered by the kind of people who hate questioning end-days government agendas. It's their right and I'm only a guest here and respect all opinions, even the ones I personally believe lead to self destruction. May God who is AL Ali be with you. Thanks and don't let it upset you. 

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11 hours ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

There are two sides Hussain or Yazeed. They may not say it with their mouths but their intentions will speak loud enough

This is attempted emotional manipulation. I hope nobody here is gullible enough to fall for it. 

You still have not shared the basis of your "information". Please provide link to the data you have collected or to the several and qualified researchers who you trust. 

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