EXPOSING THE 3 SALAAT THEORY THE ULTIMATE REBUTTAL

[AlKhidr]

These three men (Edip Yuksel, A. Muhammad, Layth) have convened and created the 3 Salaat Theory.  It was Al Khidr who initially destroyed their invention in the year 2006 and proved that it was unfounded in Al Qur’aan.  Allah has prescribed 5 Salaat in the Qur’aan.  Al Khidr recently revised, updated his research Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory which also includes Edip Yuksel’s false claim that he discovered the year the world will end and Layth intentionally distorting the Qur’aan when it comes to Salaat.

 

Below is the video trailer for Exposing  The 3 Salaat Theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VePKhwceRCM

 

Below is the website

 

Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory

https://salaat19.wixsite.com/3salaattheoryexposed

 

You can directly download the book, Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory.  This is a free download.  You have the choice to download it or you can read it online.  You can choose whether you want to read this book in English or Arabic:

 

Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory (ENGLISH)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Dr08ZE2nrgJIJSN40xsqHvjub5AIMkl1/view?usp=sharing

 

Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory (ARABIC)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YBeZdsuuWH54Rqc8Aafc5evHJ01doneP/view?usp=sharing

[Gaius I. Caesar]

Wasalam alaikum, AlKhidr, long time no see. Yes, Shia do the five prayers, with the option to combine them. I don't think we need to concern ourselves with Edip Yuksel or Layth, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will deal with them for distorting the Qur'an as promised: "There is sickness in their hearts, and Allah only lets their sickness increase. They will suffer a painful punishment for their lies. When they are told, “Do not spread corruption in the land,” they reply, “We are only peace-makers!” Indeed, it is they who are the corruptors, but they fail to perceive it. And when they are told, “Believe as others believe,” they reply, “Will we believe as the fools believe?” Indeed, it is they who are fools, but they do not know." (2:10-14)

However, with your pandering to the Code-19 theory, it's not like your any better than Edip or Layth; You believe Rashad Khalifa is a prophet. You're better off taking this to Free Minds, Khidr. 

@ShiaMan14Hey Shiaman, look who's back. It's your best friend.

[Ashvazdanghe]

 

Why Do The Shiah Combine Prayers

http://www.islamicmobility.com/book-details/Why do the Shiah Combine Prayers

[Diaz]

More information can be found here as well https://www.al-islam.org/articles/laws-and-practices-why-do-shiah-combine-prayers

[AlKhidr]

12 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Wasalam alaikum, AlKhidr, long time no see. Yes, Shia do the five prayers, with the option to combine them. I don't think we need to concern ourselves with Edip Yuksel or Layth, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will deal with them for distorting the Qur'an as promised: "There is sickness in their hearts, and Allah only lets their sickness increase. They will suffer a painful punishment for their lies. When they are told, “Do not spread corruption in the land,” they reply, “We are only peace-makers!” Indeed, it is they who are the corruptors, but they fail to perceive it. And when they are told, “Believe as others believe,” they reply, “Will we believe as the fools believe?” Indeed, it is they who are fools, but they do not know." (2:10-14)

However, with your pandering to the Code-19 theory, it's not like your any better than Edip or Layth; You believe Rashad Khalifa is a prophet. You're better off taking this to Free Minds, Khidr. 

@ShiaMan14Hey Shiaman, look who's back. It's your best friend.

Caesar

I still see that you promote lies and slanderous statements when you indicated that I believe that Rashad Khalifa is a prophet.  I challenge you to prove your statement.  I am in this forum, quote me where I stated this.  Read the document Exposing the 3 Salaat Theory and quote me there.   When people don''t have evidence they just promote lies and slander.  I do not believe Rashad Khalifa is a prophet; I'm not even a member of his organization.  Now about the 19 that is subject of debate, whether its true or not. 

Yes I'm aware that the Shia observe  Salaat 5 times during 3 periods.  Those people over there like Edip Yuksel, Layth, A. Muhammd is ridiculous regarding salaat.  They have an agenda to distort one of the central themes of Islaam which is Salaat.  I believe a lot of people will appreciate the information on this document, including Shi'ites.

[guest 2025]

Good work, I appreciate you putting these three people down for trying to warp Islam.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

4 hours ago, AlKhidr said:

I still see that you promote lies and slanderous statements when you indicated that I believe that Rashad Khalifa is a prophet.  I challenge you to prove your statement.  I am in this forum, quote me where I stated this.

Khidr,

That is easy, all anyone has to do is click on your link and read your Supreme Mathematics 19. Anyone who tends to refer Code 19 as a divine miracle, also tends to believe that Rashad Khalifa is a prophet from my experience. While we are glad you are realizing that Edip Yuksel and Layth are horribly misguided, you really are in the wrong place if you think Code 19 has some substantiality over the Jafari madhab or that we care in the slightest that you defeated Edip and Layth, there are bigger issues with the Qur'aniyoon for us. (e.g. Rashad Khalifa, Code 19 or the idea that modern man can interpret and understand the Qur'an better than Muhammad (sawas) can.)

Nonetheless we thank you for exposing Edip Yuksel, Layth and company, akhi.

[AlKhidr]

6 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Khidr,

That is easy, all anyone has to do is click on your link and read your Supreme Mathematics 19. Anyone who tends to refer Code 19 as a divine miracle, also tends to believe that Rashad Khalifa is a prophet from my experience. While we are glad you are realizing that Edip Yuksel and Layth are horribly misguided, you really are in the wrong place if you think Code 19 has some substantiality over the Jafari madhab or that we care in the slightest that you defeated Edip and Layth, there are bigger issues with the Qur'aniyoon for us. (e.g. Rashad Khalifa, Code 19 or the idea that modern man can interpret and understand the Qur'an better than Muhammad (sawas) can.)

Nonetheless we thank you for exposing Edip Yuksel, Layth and company, akhi.

I see in your second response you FAILED to prove your slanderous lies of me with any form of evidence.  This lets me know that you are not on my level. These antics are very typical of Gaius Caser.  I still remember smashing you the last time we debated a long time ago.

[AlKhidr]

9 hours ago, guest 2025 said:

Good work, I appreciate you putting these three people down for trying to warp Islam.

Thank you very much Guest 2025

[Gaius I. Caesar]

6 hours ago, AlKhidr said:

I see in your second response you FAILED to prove your slanderous lies of me with any form of evidence.  This lets me know that you are not on my level. These antics are very typical of Gaius Caser.  I still remember smashing you the last time we debated a long time ago.

You are definitely an expert in antics; Rainbow colored texts and repeatedly saying "I challenge you" and when I point out that anyone can see on your website or Free minds.org that you indeed, take Rashad Khalifa as a prophet. That's just what Code 19'ers do. 

 It's quite sad how you haven't changed in the slightest over half a decade. Just because you say I slander you, does not it make true nor does repeating it make somehow more true. 

I'll get on your level when you do an expose on the Quran Alone movement (Submitters, Code 19, etc.) and reject the futility of it all.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Gaius I. Caesar

[hasanhh]

On 3/14/2021 at 5:09 AM, Gaius I. Caesar said:

do the five prayers, with the option to combine them.

As Sunni, we "make up" missed prayers. There is a sahih hadith where it is recounted that someone said he missed whichever prayer and the Prophet -(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).s. said he missed it too, so they made it up together. l'II try to cite it if anyone wishes.

[AlKhidr]

On 3/15/2021 at 9:15 AM, hasanhh said:

As Sunni, we "make up" missed prayers. There is a sahih hadith where it is recounted that someone said he missed whichever prayer and the Prophet -(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).s. said he missed it too, so they made it up together. l'II try to cite it if anyone wishes.

Hasanhh, I want to read that hadiyth that you are talking about. 

[hasanhh]

3 hours ago, AlKhidr said:

Hasanhh, I want to read that hadiyth that you are talking about. 

l am not complaining, but its taken me ~2 hours to find this, just now. Ahamduallah 

Sahih al-Bukhari Book 1, Vol 10 #570. This is the one l posted about. You can google/bing it in the search block.

Very similar is Bk. 1, Vol 10 #572.

[AlKhidr]

On 3/17/2021 at 6:39 PM, hasanhh said:

l am not complaining, but its taken me ~2 hours to find this, just now. Ahamduallah 

Sahih al-Bukhari Book 1, Vol 10 #570. This is the one l posted about. You can google/bing it in the search block.

Very similar is Bk. 1, Vol 10 #572.

Hasanhh

Thanks for providing those hadiyths.

[Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi]

On 3/15/2021 at 10:15 PM, hasanhh said:

As Sunni, we "make up" missed prayers. There is a sahih hadith where it is recounted that someone said he missed whichever prayer and the Prophet -(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).s. said he missed it too, so they made it up together. l'II try to cite it if anyone wishes.

I think we Shias have it in our books as well.

[AlKhidr]

On 3/23/2021 at 11:45 PM, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

I think we Shias have it in our books as well.

Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi

Can you give me the Shia hadiyths where it is stated that you can make up missed prayers or salaat?

[Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi]

2 hours ago, AlKhidr said:

Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi

Can you give me the Shia hadiyths where it is stated that you can make up missed prayers or salaat?

حَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ عُثْمَانَ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنْ سَمَاعَةَ بْنِ مِهْرَانَ قَالَ سَأَلْتُهُ عَنْ رَجُلٍ نَسِيَ أَنْ يُصَلِّيَ الصُّبْحَ حَتَّى طَلَعَتِ الشَّمْسُ قَالَ يُصَلِّيهَا حِينَ يَذْكُرُهَا فَإِنَّ رَسُولَ الله (صلّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) رَقَدَ عَنْ صَلاَةِ الْفَجْرِ حَتَّى طَلَعَتِ الشَّمْسُ ثُمَّ صَلاَّهَا حِينَ اسْتَيْقَظَ وَلَكِنَّهُ تَنَحَّى عَنْ مَكَانِهِ ذَلِكَ ثُمَّ صَلَّى.
سماعہ بن مہران نے کہا: میں نے امام ع سے اس فرد کا پوچھا جو بھول جائے کہ اس نے نماز صبح پڑھی ہے حتی کہ سورج طلوع کر جائے۔ امام ع نے فرمایا: جب اس کو یاد آجائے تو وہ نماز پڑھے، کیونکہ رسول اللہ ص نماز فجر کے وقت سوئے ہوئے تھے حتی کہ سورج طلوع ہوگیا، پھر انہوں نے بیدار ہوکر نماز پڑھی، لیکن اپنی اس جگہ سے منتقل ہوکر انہوں نے نماز پڑھی۔ (16)
اس سے اگلی روایت صحیح السند ہے:
مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ النُّعْمَانِ عَنْ سَعِيدٍ الأعْرَجِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ الْسَّلام) يَقُولُ نَامَ رَسُولُ الله (صلّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) عَنِ الصُّبْحِ وَالله عَزَّ وَجَلَّ أَنَامَهُ حَتَّى طَلَعَتِ الشَّمْسُ عَلَيْهِ وَكَانَ ذَلِكَ رَحْمَةً مِنْ رَبِّكَ لِلنَّاسِ أَلاَ تَرَى لَوْ أَنَّ رَجُلاً نَامَ حَتَّى تَطْلُعَ الشَّمْسُ لَعَيَّرَهُ النَّاسُ وَقَالُوا لاَ تَتَوَرَّعُ لِصَلَوَاتِكَ فَصَارَتْ أُسْوَةً وَسُنَّةً فَإِنْ قَالَ رَجُلٌ لِرَجُلٍ نِمْتَ عَنِ الصَّلاَةِ قَالَ قَدْ نَامَ رَسُولُ الله (صلّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) فَصَارَتْ أُسْوَةً وَرَحْمَةً رَحِمَ الله سُبْحَانَهُ بِهَا هَذِهِ الأمَّةَ.
سعید اعرج نے کہا: میں نے امام صادق ع کو فرماتے سنا: رسول اللہ ص نماز صبح کے وقت سوگئے تھے، خدا کی قسم اللہ عز و جل نے ان کو سلایا تھا حتئ کہ سورج طلوع ہوگیا ان پر، اور یہ تمہارے رب کی طرف سے لوگوں کے لیئے رحمت تھی۔ کیا تم نہیں دیکھتے کہ اگر کوئی شخص سوجائے یہاں تک کہ سورج طلوع ہوجائے تو لوگ اس کی سرزنش کرتے ہیں اور کہتے ہیں: تم اپنی نماز کے پابند ہیں۔ تو یہ ایک اسوہ اور سنت بن گئی۔ اگر کوئی شخص کسی سے کہے: تم نماز کے وقت سو گئے تھے۔ تو وہ کہے گا: رسول اللہ ص بھی تو سوئے تھے۔ تو یہ ایک اسوہ اور رحمت ہے جس کے ذریعہ اللہ نے اس امت پر رحمت کی ہے (17) ان دونوں روایات کو توثیق اور تصحیح علامہ مجلسی نے کی ہے (18) خود حدیث رد الشمس سے بھی یہ استدلال ممکن ہے جس کو شیخ مفید نے مستفیض روایت کیا ہے (19)۔ مشہور و ضخیم فقہی کتاب جواہر الکلام کے لکھنے والے فقیہ محمد حسن نجفی نے نوم النبی ص اور سہو النبی ص کے بارے میں لکھا ہے:

[AlKhidr]

On 4/1/2021 at 1:08 PM, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

حَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ عُثْمَانَ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنْ سَمَاعَةَ بْنِ مِهْرَانَ قَالَ سَأَلْتُهُ عَنْ رَجُلٍ نَسِيَ أَنْ يُصَلِّيَ الصُّبْحَ حَتَّى طَلَعَتِ الشَّمْسُ قَالَ يُصَلِّيهَا حِينَ يَذْكُرُهَا فَإِنَّ رَسُولَ الله (صلّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) رَقَدَ عَنْ صَلاَةِ الْفَجْرِ حَتَّى طَلَعَتِ الشَّمْسُ ثُمَّ صَلاَّهَا حِينَ اسْتَيْقَظَ وَلَكِنَّهُ تَنَحَّى عَنْ مَكَانِهِ ذَلِكَ ثُمَّ صَلَّى.
سماعہ بن مہران نے کہا: میں نے امام ع سے اس فرد کا پوچھا جو بھول جائے کہ اس نے نماز صبح پڑھی ہے حتی کہ سورج طلوع کر جائے۔ امام ع نے فرمایا: جب اس کو یاد آجائے تو وہ نماز پڑھے، کیونکہ رسول اللہ ص نماز فجر کے وقت سوئے ہوئے تھے حتی کہ سورج طلوع ہوگیا، پھر انہوں نے بیدار ہوکر نماز پڑھی، لیکن اپنی اس جگہ سے منتقل ہوکر انہوں نے نماز پڑھی۔ (16)
اس سے اگلی روایت صحیح السند ہے:
مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ النُّعْمَانِ عَنْ سَعِيدٍ الأعْرَجِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ الْسَّلام) يَقُولُ نَامَ رَسُولُ الله (صلّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) عَنِ الصُّبْحِ وَالله عَزَّ وَجَلَّ أَنَامَهُ حَتَّى طَلَعَتِ الشَّمْسُ عَلَيْهِ وَكَانَ ذَلِكَ رَحْمَةً مِنْ رَبِّكَ لِلنَّاسِ أَلاَ تَرَى لَوْ أَنَّ رَجُلاً نَامَ حَتَّى تَطْلُعَ الشَّمْسُ لَعَيَّرَهُ النَّاسُ وَقَالُوا لاَ تَتَوَرَّعُ لِصَلَوَاتِكَ فَصَارَتْ أُسْوَةً وَسُنَّةً فَإِنْ قَالَ رَجُلٌ لِرَجُلٍ نِمْتَ عَنِ الصَّلاَةِ قَالَ قَدْ نَامَ رَسُولُ الله (صلّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) فَصَارَتْ أُسْوَةً وَرَحْمَةً رَحِمَ الله سُبْحَانَهُ بِهَا هَذِهِ الأمَّةَ.
سعید اعرج نے کہا: میں نے امام صادق ع کو فرماتے سنا: رسول اللہ ص نماز صبح کے وقت سوگئے تھے، خدا کی قسم اللہ عز و جل نے ان کو سلایا تھا حتئ کہ سورج طلوع ہوگیا ان پر، اور یہ تمہارے رب کی طرف سے لوگوں کے لیئے رحمت تھی۔ کیا تم نہیں دیکھتے کہ اگر کوئی شخص سوجائے یہاں تک کہ سورج طلوع ہوجائے تو لوگ اس کی سرزنش کرتے ہیں اور کہتے ہیں: تم اپنی نماز کے پابند ہیں۔ تو یہ ایک اسوہ اور سنت بن گئی۔ اگر کوئی شخص کسی سے کہے: تم نماز کے وقت سو گئے تھے۔ تو وہ کہے گا: رسول اللہ ص بھی تو سوئے تھے۔ تو یہ ایک اسوہ اور رحمت ہے جس کے ذریعہ اللہ نے اس امت پر رحمت کی ہے (17) ان دونوں روایات کو توثیق اور تصحیح علامہ مجلسی نے کی ہے (18) خود حدیث رد الشمس سے بھی یہ استدلال ممکن ہے جس کو شیخ مفید نے مستفیض روایت کیا ہے (19)۔ مشہور و ضخیم فقہی کتاب جواہر الکلام کے لکھنے والے فقیہ محمد حسن نجفی نے نوم النبی ص اور سہو النبی ص کے بارے میں لکھا ہے:

Salaam Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi 

Thank you for your efforts.

[Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi]

10 hours ago, AlKhidr said:

Salaam Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi 

Thank you for your efforts.

Credit goes to Syed Asdaq Ali Naqvi. Follow him on facebook. His content is worth reading!

[Abu Hassanain]

On 3/14/2021 at 5:45 PM, AlKhidr said:

Caesar

I still see that you promote lies and slanderous statements when you indicated that I believe that Rashad Khalifa is a prophet.  I challenge you to prove your statement.  I am in this forum, quote me where I stated this.  Read the document Exposing the 3 Salaat Theory and quote me there.   When people don''t have evidence they just promote lies and slander.  I do not believe Rashad Khalifa is a prophet; I'm not even a member of his organization.  Now about the 19 that is subject of debate, whether its true or not. 

Yes I'm aware that the Shia observe  Salaat 5 times during 3 periods.  Those people over there like Edip Yuksel, Layth, A. Muhammd is ridiculous regarding salaat.  They have an agenda to distort one of the central themes of Islaam which is Salaat.  I believe a lot of people will appreciate the information on this document, including Shi'ites.

Salam

based on some of your statements, I could see how that people might confuse you with the Khalifa movement

I’m assuming you are a member of the old order of Ansarallah ? That was one of two doctrines I followed before coming to the truth of the 14 I recognized it with the black panther in the screen name and then based on some of your post history.
 

Are you with the group that follows Dr. York son and believes that the real York was killed in 1988 and that the newer movements are all a hoax are you still following the old teachings? Are you have you moved on to the nuewabian ? 

 

[Borntowitnesstruth]

On 3/14/2021 at 11:13 AM, AlKhidr said:

Edip Yuksel, A. Muhammad, Layth

Who are these people lolz? 

[Borntowitnesstruth]

On 4/2/2021 at 1:08 AM, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

حَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ عُثْمَانَ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنْ سَمَاعَةَ بْنِ مِهْرَانَ قَالَ سَأَلْتُهُ عَنْ رَجُلٍ نَسِيَ أَنْ يُصَلِّيَ الصُّبْحَ حَتَّى طَلَعَتِ الشَّمْسُ قَالَ يُصَلِّيهَا حِينَ يَذْكُرُهَا فَإِنَّ رَسُولَ الله (صلّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) رَقَدَ عَنْ صَلاَةِ الْفَجْرِ حَتَّى طَلَعَتِ الشَّمْسُ ثُمَّ صَلاَّهَا حِينَ اسْتَيْقَظَ وَلَكِنَّهُ تَنَحَّى عَنْ مَكَانِهِ ذَلِكَ ثُمَّ صَلَّى.
سماعہ بن مہران نے کہا: میں نے امام ع سے اس فرد کا پوچھا جو بھول جائے کہ اس نے نماز صبح پڑھی ہے حتی کہ سورج طلوع کر جائے۔ امام ع نے فرمایا: جب اس کو یاد آجائے تو وہ نماز پڑھے، کیونکہ رسول اللہ ص نماز فجر کے وقت سوئے ہوئے تھے حتی کہ سورج طلوع ہوگیا، پھر انہوں نے بیدار ہوکر نماز پڑھی، لیکن اپنی اس جگہ سے منتقل ہوکر انہوں نے نماز پڑھی۔ (16)
اس سے اگلی روایت صحیح السند ہے:
مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ النُّعْمَانِ عَنْ سَعِيدٍ الأعْرَجِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ الْسَّلام) يَقُولُ نَامَ رَسُولُ الله (صلّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) عَنِ الصُّبْحِ وَالله عَزَّ وَجَلَّ أَنَامَهُ حَتَّى طَلَعَتِ الشَّمْسُ عَلَيْهِ وَكَانَ ذَلِكَ رَحْمَةً مِنْ رَبِّكَ لِلنَّاسِ أَلاَ تَرَى لَوْ أَنَّ رَجُلاً نَامَ حَتَّى تَطْلُعَ الشَّمْسُ لَعَيَّرَهُ النَّاسُ وَقَالُوا لاَ تَتَوَرَّعُ لِصَلَوَاتِكَ فَصَارَتْ أُسْوَةً وَسُنَّةً فَإِنْ قَالَ رَجُلٌ لِرَجُلٍ نِمْتَ عَنِ الصَّلاَةِ قَالَ قَدْ نَامَ رَسُولُ الله (صلّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) فَصَارَتْ أُسْوَةً وَرَحْمَةً رَحِمَ الله سُبْحَانَهُ بِهَا هَذِهِ الأمَّةَ.
سعید اعرج نے کہا: میں نے امام صادق ع کو فرماتے سنا: رسول اللہ ص نماز صبح کے وقت سوگئے تھے، خدا کی قسم اللہ عز و جل نے ان کو سلایا تھا حتئ کہ سورج طلوع ہوگیا ان پر، اور یہ تمہارے رب کی طرف سے لوگوں کے لیئے رحمت تھی۔ کیا تم نہیں دیکھتے کہ اگر کوئی شخص سوجائے یہاں تک کہ سورج طلوع ہوجائے تو لوگ اس کی سرزنش کرتے ہیں اور کہتے ہیں: تم اپنی نماز کے پابند ہیں۔ تو یہ ایک اسوہ اور سنت بن گئی۔ اگر کوئی شخص کسی سے کہے: تم نماز کے وقت سو گئے تھے۔ تو وہ کہے گا: رسول اللہ ص بھی تو سوئے تھے۔ تو یہ ایک اسوہ اور رحمت ہے جس کے ذریعہ اللہ نے اس امت پر رحمت کی ہے (17) ان دونوں روایات کو توثیق اور تصحیح علامہ مجلسی نے کی ہے (18) خود حدیث رد الشمس سے بھی یہ استدلال ممکن ہے جس کو شیخ مفید نے مستفیض روایت کیا ہے (19)۔ مشہور و ضخیم فقہی کتاب جواہر الکلام کے لکھنے والے فقیہ محمد حسن نجفی نے نوم النبی ص اور سہو النبی ص کے بارے میں لکھا ہے:

A hadith even if be declared Sahih but goes against the Uswa of Rasool (SAAWW) or Allah (عزّ وجلّ), does not make it a true hadith. If one accepts this hadith, it makes him question either the ideals of Prophethood or Godhead. By believing this hadith either you put Prophet's character to be untrustworthy and attributing his mistake to Allah (عزّ وجلّ) or saying that Allah (عزّ وجلّ) made his prophet to be negligent while neither the Prophet attribute the lie nor Allah (عزّ وجلّ) makes one negligent in his duties. For such kind of Ahadith Allah (عزّ وجلّ) says do not make me witness among your disputes by taking oath in my name. And, regarding the quote attributed to Prophet that he said such thing for Allah, Allah (عزّ وجلّ) complained about such attitude by saying about shaitan that he will try to cover his tracks by saying  "O Allah, you misguided me". It will be shameful for a Muslim to attribute same sin to Prophet which portrays Shaitani behavior.

[Abu Hassanain]

On 9/23/2025 at 8:42 AM, Borntowitnesstruth said:

A hadith even if be declared Sahih but goes against the Uswa of Rasool (SAAWW) or Allah (عزّ وجلّ), does not make it a true hadith. If one accepts this hadith, it makes him question either the ideals of Prophethood or Godhead. By believing this hadith either you put Prophet's character to be untrustworthy and attributing his mistake to Allah (عزّ وجلّ) or saying that Allah (عزّ وجلّ) made his prophet to be negligent while neither the Prophet attribute the lie nor Allah (عزّ وجلّ) makes one negligent in his duties. For such kind of Ahadith Allah (عزّ وجلّ) says do not make me witness among your disputes by taking oath in my name. And, regarding the quote attributed to Prophet that he said such thing for Allah, Allah (عزّ وجلّ) complained about such attitude by saying about shaitan that he will try to cover his tracks by saying  "O Allah, you misguided me". It will be shameful for a Muslim to attribute same sin to Prophet which portrays Shaitani behavior.

Salam

I don’t personally believe from a theological standpoint, and these types of narrations, but many of our scholars believe in them, the prophet becoming sleepy and missing prayers so that people wouldn’t feel bad about missing prayers

Shaikh Bahjat wrote a discussion on this and one of his practical Irfan discourses

Maybe someone can post the link in Farsi with English translation I’ve seen the discussion in Arabic, but I can’t remember where

I generally take the theological position that they only do obligatory in desirable act. They don’t do permissible disc recommended or prohibited.

shakh and sahw for them are believed by some of the senior scholars becoming a more common view 

Wallahu Alam 

[Abu Hassanain]

Salam

Sidenote, all schools believe it is permissible to make up the missed prayers 

However, the prophet  peace and blessings be upon him doesn’t have to miss a prayer for it to be permissible to make up missed prayers 

[Borntowitnesstruth]

41 minutes ago, Abu Hassanain said:

shakh and sahw for them are believed by some of the senior scholars becoming a more common view 

 

The sharia does provide rules for both Prophets and Ummah without asking anyone to neglect their duties. The matter of Sahw before me is similar to the matter of Sadaqah. While Prophet (PBUHHP) never ate any Sadaqah even in his entire life not one date and abide by the rules of Allah (عزّ وجلّ) by abstaining from it without inventing a story, the question is why don't people regard this fact when the matter of Sahw comes. It is beyond the character of Prophet to invent stories for things to establish legality of the things because if that was the criteria why did not prophet do that for all things. Allah (عزّ وجلّ) says in Quran: "No change comes therein the ways of Allah (عزّ وجلّ)". So, why would Allah (عزّ وجلّ) give stories for some prohibited things but not for others. I consider such things to be against the majesty of Allah (عزّ وجلّ).

Edited September 23 by Borntowitnesstruth

[Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi]

On 9/23/2025 at 6:42 PM, Borntowitnesstruth said:

A hadith even if be declared Sahih but goes against the Uswa of Rasool (SAAWW) or Allah (عزّ وجلّ), does not make it a true hadith. If one accepts this hadith, it makes him question either the ideals of Prophethood or Godhead. By believing this hadith either you put Prophet's character to be untrustworthy and attributing his mistake to Allah (عزّ وجلّ) or saying that Allah (عزّ وجلّ) made his prophet to be negligent while neither the Prophet attribute the lie nor Allah (عزّ وجلّ) makes one negligent in his duties. For such kind of Ahadith Allah (عزّ وجلّ) says do not make me witness among your disputes by taking oath in my name. And, regarding the quote attributed to Prophet that he said such thing for Allah, Allah (عزّ وجلّ) complained about such attitude by saying about shaitan that he will try to cover his tracks by saying  "O Allah, you misguided me". It will be shameful for a Muslim to attribute same sin to Prophet which portrays Shaitani behavior.

I wouldn't go to any extreme regarding this hadith i:e neither that Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) made a mistake neither that it portrays shaitani behavior. The narration clearly mentions that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) caused Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) to sleep and we all know Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is all powerful. One could also argue Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) not necessarily caused Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) to sin rather he caused him to sleep as Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) was a human too just so people could relate more and not be ashamed or depressed (some do) in case they slept during fajar and i think plenty of people (including me) can relate to it alot. it happens alot to me (May God forgive me). Before i was told that its the sins that cause you to sleep during fajar but when i started reading some of hadiths, it explain these things better as we are all humans. In the end Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is all forgiving and we seek his mercy.

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 9/23/2025 at 7:38 PM, Abu Hassanain said:

Salam

I don’t personally believe from a theological standpoint, and these types of narrations, but many of our scholars believe in them, the prophet becoming sleepy and missing prayers so that people wouldn’t feel bad about missing prayers

Shaikh Bahjat wrote a discussion on this and one of his practical Irfan discourses

Maybe someone can post the link in Farsi with English translation I’ve seen the discussion in Arabic, but I can’t remember where

I generally take the theological position that they only do obligatory in desirable act. They don’t do permissible disc recommended or prohibited.

shakh and sahw for them are believed by some of the senior scholars becoming a more common view 

Wallahu Alam 

I made a thread on this topic some years ago. 

In sum, I incline to Shaykh Mufeed (rh)'s opinion on this issue. I don't have a very strong view in favour of or against the narration.