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6 hours ago, F.M said:

There are same people who say trough narations that imam mahdi will fight even the shias when he will come.

There will be hypocrites of every persuasion on the attack.

For the Sunnah, about a 20 minute read, see https://www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/041_smt.html 

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One of the most common hadiths used is from Book Ahsan Ul Aqaid i think by Allama Hilli where he quotes hadith that says the Fuqaha, who will be followed (taqlid) ( famous ones ) will be enemies of Imam Mahdi (عليه السلام) and if they weren't scared of him (عليه السلام), they would've fought him (عليه السلام).

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8 hours ago, F.M said:

The ones who belief lots fake sholars will show up before the advent claim that they will get into huge disagreemant until they will say towards the imam the following :"go back to where you came from we dont need youre imamate" this is quit shocking to read. will imam al mahdi will get a hard time also becuase of the soo called shias(scholars) or are these narations corrupted?

It’s mainly the the “sayyeds” who are gonna give him a hard time and say these stuff you mentioned when he first comes out . Imam Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) will also be really hard on the Arabs (something I DEFINITELY looks forward to AS AN ARAB, cos they deserve it). Many of the Shia will be misguided Or leave religion by the time imam Mahdi comes out and when he is out he will face a group who clam to be Shia who will deny his imamat and will debate him that’s after he has gained so many followers. In the beginning When imam Mahdi comes out he will deal with the accursed evangelists and the Sunni’s but mainly the Sunni’s, when Jesus comes the Mahdi then will be facing evangelists and eventually make a peace treaty with them but they, just like their forefathers in hudaybiya, will break that treaty to kill the imam Mahdi and the messiah Jesus son of Mary but they will fail to do so.  Imam Mahdi will be dealing with so much corruption and bad people that some people will doubt that the he’s the awaited Mahdi. 

 

 

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55 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

I , for example, would be completely lost after him. Almost orphaned.

Therfore, we should always have a backup. For eg, we follow second most learned mujtahid in case where Sayed Ali Sistani writes 'Ehtiyat'. That Maraja would be automatically our next choice. Better for us to prepare rather being lost. 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) prolog his life. 

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9 hours ago, F.M said:

As we all have start to see it, lots of young people are trying to become religious scholars,to replace the older merjaa's when they will be gone

If young people are sitting on minbar, you cannot say they are fake scholars. Every case (young scholar) needs to be examined separately. 

9 hours ago, F.M said:

until they will say towards the imam the following :"go back to where you came from we dont need youre imamate"

Anyone saying these things to Imam should be our enemy, no matter how great that scholar is (think any great past and present scholar). No one is greater than Imam. 

This also shows blind following of scholars can possibly lead to misguidance. 

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8 hours ago, guest 2025 said:

I think that the death of Sayyid Sistani (may Allah make prolong his life) will spell the end of an era and that the Shia world will be severely shaken by the sudden vacuum of authority. He is like a glue that holds us together whether he's your marji3 or not.

I hope this day never come, may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) give him a long life. 

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I'm sure there must be some other Marja to take over the role of Agha Syed Ali Al-Sistani (رضي الله عنه) . Besides Marja we still have special Allamas which are very helpful and amazing . Personalities like Moulana Syed Ali Raza Rizvi & Moulana Nusrat Bukhari and many more . 

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We don't do personality worship of any Marja-e-Taqlid or a community/state/Leader. Nor we follow any Marja or Leader in Faith. The position these fallible people occupy either due to their Knowledge or were elected/selected to it. Is what matters for our benefit .  There were/ are/will be few at any given time very qualified fallible people who can be the most learned or a leader.  (Like it has been in the past). In our time we have seen or heard of Many great Scholars/Marja-e-Taqlid or leader(s) and it will continue to be so. 

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4 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

The way to tell the real from the fake is that the fake ones violate the Sharia and clear teachings of Rasoulallah(p.b.u.h) and Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام))

I feel that as we get closer to the zuhoor, it will be harder and harder to tell the real from the fake.

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2 minutes ago, 313_Waiter said:

I feel that as we get closer to the zuhoor, it will be harder and harder to tell the real from the fake.

If you know the Sharia and clear teachings of Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام)), you will always be able to tell who is following them and who is not. The fake ulema will become more numerous during the time before the Zahoor, just like what is happening today. 

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6 hours ago, THREE1THREE said:

Many of the Shia will be misguided Or leave religion by the time imam Mahdi comes out and when he is out he will face a group who clam to be Shia who will deny his imamat and will debate him that’s after he has gained so many followers.

It's scary to think about it but who knows (God forbid) we could be among those people. Makes you think 

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1 hour ago, Abu Hadi said:

Sayyid Sistani(ha), Imam Khomeni(رضي الله عنه), Sayyid Fadlallah(رضي الله عنه), Sayyid Al Khoei(رضي الله عنه), Imam Khameni

عَنْ أَبِی جَعْفَرٍ ع قَالَ: قُلْتُ قَوْلُ اللَّهِ عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ- وَ یَوْمَ الْقِیامَهِ تَرَی الَّذِینَ کَذَبُوا عَلَی اللَّهِ وُجُوهُهُمْ مُسْوَدَّهٌ قَالَ مَنْ زَعَمَ أَنَّهُ إِمَامٌ وَ لَیْسَ بِإِمَامٍ قُلْتُ وَ إِنْ کَانَ عَلَوِیّاً فَاطِمِیّاً قَالَ وَ إِنْ کَانَ عَلَوِیّاً فَاطِمِیّاً.

1. My father (rah) said: it was narrated to me by Sa’d b. Abdillah from Muhammad b. al-Hussain from Ibn Fadhal from Muawiyah b. Wahab from Abi Salam from Sawrah b. Kulayb from Abi Ja’far ((عليه السلام).) who said: The narrator asked Imam Muhammad Baqir ((عليه السلام).) about the verse, “On the Day of Judgment you will see the faces of those who associated lie with Allah to be black.” Imam ((عليه السلام).) replied, “This verse is for one who claims to be an Imam while he is not.” The narrator asked, “Is it so even if he is Alawi and Fatimi?” Imam ((عليه السلام).) replied, “Yes, even if he is Alawi and Fatimi.

 

وأخبرنا أحمد بن محمد بن سعيد قال: حدثنا محمد بن المفضل بن إبراهيم الأشعري، قال: حدثني محمد بن عبد الله بن زرارة، عن مرزبان القمي، عن عمران الأشعري، عن جعفر بن محمد أنه قال: ثلاثةٌ لا ينظر الله إليهم يوم القيامة ولا يزكّيهم ولهم عذاب أليم: مَن زعم أنه إمامٌ وليس بإمام، ومن زعم في أمام حقٍ أنه ليس بإمام وهو إمام، ومَن زعم أن لهما في الإسلام نصيباً.

(2) Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Sa’eed narrated from Muhammad bin al-Mufadhdhal bin Ibraheem al-Ash’ari from Muhammad bin Abdullah bin Zurara from Marzban al-Qummi from Imran al-Ash’ari that Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (عليه السلام) had said: “There are three persons, whom Allah will not speak to on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He look upon nor will He purify and shall have a painful chastisement; one, who pretends that he is an imam but he is not, the other one is he, who claims that the real imam is not an imam and the third one is he, who claims that these two persons are faithful Muslims.”

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35 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

third one is he, who claims that these two persons are faithful Muslims.”

 

 

Just to let you know , the 'two persons' the Imam (عليه السلام) was referring to are Abu Bakr & Umar (la) 

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8 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Therfore, we should always have a backup. For eg, we follow second most learned mujtahid in case where Sayed Ali Sistani writes 'Ehtiyat'. That Maraja would be automatically our next choice. Better for us to prepare rather being lost. 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) prolog his life. 

Thanks, brother.

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) prolong his life, indeed!

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8 hours ago, THREE1THREE said:

It’s mainly the the “sayyeds” who are gonna give him a hard time and say these stuff you mentioned when he first comes out

Not surprising. Even during the time of the other  aimmah there were such sadah. A group of Hasani and Hussaini sadah challenged the imamate of Imam al-Baqir (عليه السلام), for example. Another group of Hasani sadah tried to set one of themselves up as an imam (in collusion with the Abbasid caliphs as-Saffah and Mansur ad-Dawaniqi) while Imam as-Sadiq (عليه السلام) was still alive.

No wonder if such sayyids will fight the Imam (aj) when he arrives.

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32 minutes ago, AbalFadhl said:

Just to let you know , the 'two persons' the Imam (عليه السلام) was referring to are Abu Bakr & Umar (la) 

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1 hour ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

who pretends that he is an imam but he is not, the other one is he, who claims that the real imam is not an imam

Third one:

1 hour ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

third one is he, who claims that these two persons are faithful Muslims

 

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2 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

I feel that as we get closer to the zuhoor, it will be harder and harder to tell the real from the fake.

This may indeed be the case, but it also depends on how familiar we make ourselves with the guidelines of the Qur'an and the ma'soomeen (عليه السلام) and how sincerely we implement these.

This will God willing permit us to distinguish more clearly between the two. 

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15 hours ago, guest 2025 said:

I think that the death of Sayyid Sistani (may Allah make prolong his life) will spell the end of an era and that the Shia world will be severely shaken by the sudden vacuum of authority. He is like a glue that holds us together whether he's your marji3 or not.

I agree, Ayatollah Sistani is the one who holds various Shi'a factions together, from the Rehbaris to the Shirazis, all of them mutually respect Sayyed al Sistani.

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wow guys thats a lot of comments mashallah!! keep it up!!

the way I see marjaa is nothing more than just a sholar who is temporarelly being a leader to the ummah who can give advise and make some rules (but they arent god chosen ones)... we all know and we have more than proof enough that we as normal people arent able to carry any leadership ( i think all nations already had some leadership including muslims who called themslves cilaphates) but it brought us nowhere but infact nothing else than corruption and hate. 

as long our beloved imam stays in ghaibat we dont have any option left than going to our marja (he even did advise us that) but when he appears than we should stop listening to our scholars and then go directly into what imam al mahdi himself will say. if we chose to listen to some of the soo called scholars instead of our own imam then we will be just like the corrupted jews who didnt obey their own prophets but rather to someone else (who is isnt masoom) 

and yes i agree too the leaders of the past including sistani,khamenei etc (our crowns on our heads) if they disappear we will end up in a  huge hell for sure.. especially with the modern people who wanna be scholars.....

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13 hours ago, THREE1THREE said:

It’s mainly the the “sayyeds” who are gonna give him a hard time and say these stuff you mentioned when he first comes out . Imam Mahdi ((عليه السلام)) will also be really hard on the Arabs (something I DEFINITELY looks forward to AS AN ARAB, cos they deserve it). Many of the Shia will be misguided Or leave religion by the time imam Mahdi comes out and when he is out he will face a group who clam to be Shia who will deny his imamat and will debate him that’s after he has gained so many followers. In the beginning When imam Mahdi comes out he will deal with the accursed evangelists and the Sunni’s but mainly the Sunni’s, when Jesus comes the Mahdi then will be facing evangelists and eventually make a peace treaty with them but they, just like their forefathers in hudaybiya, will break that treaty to kill the imam Mahdi and the messiah Jesus son of Mary but they will fail to do so.  Imam Mahdi will be dealing with so much corruption and bad people that some people will doubt that the he’s the awaited Mahdi. 

 

 

i totally agree, also to be honest we are getting by the time more and more hypocrites especially from the arabs.. 

i went to Iraq to visit family members of obviously going on ziaret to the shrines of the masomeen (عليه السلام) and I have seen those people and i got really disappointed in how they have changed into.. they care tooo much about their status as being from Abbasid or other hashemite tribe or whatsoever (including my own Family), they care too much about money, and they have some huge proudness and act they are the promised people of paradise etc( like if you arent arab or not fully arab its like allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has cursed you etc)... its disguisting and sad at the same time that this is how lots turn into..btw i went to iraq before corona started in case you wonder

12 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

If young people are sitting on minbar, you cannot say they are fake scholars. Every case (young scholar) needs to be examined separately. 

did i say they are straight up fake scholars? i am rather scared for the next generations for what will happen to them..and yes i see waay to many people knowing some hadith and acting like they are scholars and this can easily go the wrong way especially we all know that our education system has already decreased and the actually knowledgeable people are seen as stupid clowns while people who are actually dumb are seen as a holy spirit.. all these point are not only revering to shia islam but is also a general thing that is happening.. world wide more and more people are starting to show disapproval to follow a religion (or even A god)  and go follow instead of it some internet- hypes, female hijabis are taking off their hijab and now lots want to join it too, people as Kardashians are seen as huge examples while they dont wear any clothes and it looks like the youth are following such stuff instead of religion...

 

5 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

 

وأخبرنا أحمد بن محمد بن سعيد قال: حدثنا محمد بن المفضل بن إبراهيم الأشعري، قال: حدثني محمد بن عبد الله بن زرارة، عن مرزبان القمي، عن عمران الأشعري، عن جعفر بن محمد أنه قال: ثلاثةٌ لا ينظر الله إليهم يوم القيامة ولا يزكّيهم ولهم عذاب أليم: مَن زعم أنه إمامٌ وليس بإمام، ومن زعم في أمام حقٍ أنه ليس بإمام وهو إمام، ومَن زعم أن لهما في الإسلام نصيباً.

(2) Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Sa’eed narrated from Muhammad bin al-Mufadhdhal bin Ibraheem al-Ash’ari from Muhammad bin Abdullah bin Zurara from Marzban al-Qummi from Imran al-Ash’ari that Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (عليه السلام) had said: “There are three persons, whom Allah will not speak to on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He look upon nor will He purify and shall have a painful chastisement; one, who pretends that he is an imam but he is not, the other one is he, who claims that the real imam is not an imam and the third one is he, who claims that these two persons are faithful Muslims.”

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i totally agree..its has been send down with a reason.

 it has been clearly stated that when our imam will return he will not come as a mullah or sayed dresssed up peroson but as a modernate youthfull men.. and this is ONE of the soo many reasons why lots arent going to follow him. He will come with a ruling/governemt as never seen or taught before... those things will cause that our imam will get laughed at. 

4 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Not surprising. Even during the time of the other  aimmah there were such sadah. A group of Hasani and Hussaini sadah challenged the imamate of Imam al-Baqir (عليه السلام), for example. Another group of Hasani sadah tried to set one of themselves up as an imam (in collusion with the Abbasid caliphs as-Saffah and Mansur ad-Dawaniqi) while Imam as-Sadiq (عليه السلام) was still alive.

No wonder if such sayyids will fight the Imam (aj) when he arrives.

exactly and it looks like we are getting more and more of such stereotypes (i dont want to call names) this is something to worry about also for the youth and next generation.

21 hours ago, Andrew Israel said:

I can see where your coming from.  Let’s not forget the imam Mahdi will also attract non Muslims to the faith to compensate for the fake Shias from within.  So it will all balance itself out in the end.

explain please. i dont understand it

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There are ship loads of fake scholars today. They use it as a profession. They change their names to sound scholarly, like Fulan Tawheedi, Fulan Alvi, Fulan Haidri. They only memorize speech lines and what is told to them and have no knowledge. Opportunists with humble origins and professions. Cigarette vendors, plumbers, and so on.

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45 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

This is not directed at the above comment specifically, but it's hilarious to me when I hear comments like 'Well marjaa are not masoom, so what they say is not hujjat on us'. or 'They are just like us, and have opinions and we have opinions'. To me, it's the same as someone saying, after they hear they have a brain tumor, 'Well I'll just operate on myself. The doctor is fallible, and I am fallible, he has knowledge, and I have knowledge, so it's the same thing'. Yes, the doctor is fallible, but much less fallible than you are, so if you want a chance of surviving the surgery, better let someone who is less fallible than you do the operation. In that situation, I would want to most skilled and least fallible doctor I could find, even though I know that he is fallible. I think any sane person would want the same.

This is when it comes to health in this lower life. What about the soul, which will stay with you forever. You can afford to lose your life, but you can't afford to lose your soul. 

 

 

soo to you everyone is masoom? do you realise all knowledge we learn are based on west-europe (they have really bad history written) i am at university and trust me there isnt soo much knowledge we learn ( all of it is from west europe) we lack lots knowledge thats because lots scriptures are lost and so people use their own philosophy to find answers at their questions.. and those theories are getting passed to researchers and they find if its good or not... do you realize as us medical employees that we make soo many mistakes including in surgery room and nothing is going perfectly same goes with the pharmacy.. what do you mean by we are masoom?? all our knowledge we learn is nothing we still have millions open questions whereby we cant find answers (i am talking with my own experience)..how do you mean we deserve to be hujjat. a hujjat needs to be a proof that god exist, and that cant be compared to any normal human being , one of the reasons we cant be hujjat we lack lots knowlede and if we had some of it than its all inherited from any prophets or ahlalbayt . 

there is a popular narration from imam Mahdi himself that who ever search for knowledge (no matter which subject) out of the ahlalbayt or prophets have failed with seeking knowledge.. and to be honest i fully support that hadith because i am sure you didnt study any study that goes deep into science elsewhere you had seen yourself.. when I was studying pharmacy in the begin i thought wow we humans are really smart until i basically went trough my internship and found out we basically dont have medications that actually cure (exept anti-biotic but its dangerous if you use it often).. all of them are to prolong youre life and always linked to insurance (all medicines are just business and you pay to prolong youre life) all the soo called docotors and scientist are nothing else than capitalism. all of us lack huge knowledge and especially the pharmacy studies we are going the complete opposite way.

and about the merjas, they arent masoom either, they make mistakes. again there is a narration from imam mahdi stating that he will catch the marja ( iforgot his name)  if he would make mistake. (marjas arent masoom) 

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3 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

ell marjaa are not masoom, so what they say is not hujjat on us'. or 'They are just like us, and have opinions and we have opinions'. To me, it's the same as someone saying, after they hear they have a brain tumor, 'Well I'll just operate on myself. The doctor is fallible, and I am fallible, he has knowledge, and I have knowledge, so it's the same thing'. Yes, the doctor is fallible, but much less fallible than you are, so if you want a chance of surviving the surgery, better let someone who is less fallible than you do the operation. In that situation, I would want to most skilled and least fallible doctor I could find, even though I know that he is fallible. I think any sane person would want the same.

This is when it comes to health in this lower life. What about the soul, which will stay with you forever. You can afford to lose your life, but you can't afford to lose your soul

Problem is,

When marja says yes, mostly people blindly follow yes.

When doctor says you got a brain tumor, you discuss it with him in details then go to many other doctors for opinions and discuss the pros and cons of problems with them.

Thats how important health is for people but islamic ruling, no man we can't understand them so we blindly trust marja.

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9 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

There are ship loads of fake scholars today. They use it as a profession. They change their names to sound scholarly, like Fulan Tawheedi, Fulan Alvi, Fulan Haidri. They only memorize speech lines and what is told to them and have no knowledge. Opportunists with humble origins and professions. Cigarette vendors, plumbers, and so on.

Well said, brother.

My own research suggests that their origins lie in heterodox/deviant Sufi orders who (nominally) became Shia at some point in recent history. The spread of religious knowledge and awareness in the present times means that people respect qualified, hawza-trained ulama with ijazahs more than these rabble-rousers, and that academic credibility has come to matter more than  bloodline cults of  zakir families known for their vulgar, populist theatrics. The anti-Marjaiyyah and anti-taqleed tirades come from this sense of deprivation.

What is more hilarious is them calling themselves 'Akhbari', even though they don't have anything to do with Akhbarism even remotely, and classical Akhbari scholars like Shaykh Yusuf al-Bahraini (rh) and Shaykh Hurr al-Amili (rh) would do takfeer on these people if they met them.

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10 hours ago, F.M said:

exactly and it looks like we are getting more and more of such stereotypes (i dont want to call names) this is something to worry about also for the youth and next generation.

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Imam Baqir (عليه السلام) says: ... Hazrat Mahdi (AJ) will leave for Kufa. There, 16,000 armed men from Batriah (a kind of shia cult or grouplet )will stand in front of his majesty ; They are Quran reciters and religious scholars whose foreheads are covered due to a lot of worship, their faces have turned yellow as a result of the night vigil, and hypocrisy has covered them all. They shout: This is the child of Fatima! Come back the way you came because we do not need you.

Hazrat Mahdi (AJ) behind the city of Najaf draws a sword on them from noon of Monday until evening and kills them all. Not a single one of the companions of the his majesty  will be injured in this battle.

 

11 hours ago, F.M said:

explain please. i dont understand it

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7 hours ago, Zaydi Shiapard said:

Reminds me of the saudi scholars. Allah knows best.

Fudhail says: Imam Sadegh (عليه السلام) said: When our riser rises,He will suffer from ignorants more than  the Prophet  suffered   from the ignorants in the age of ignorance.

I asked: How and why? He said: The Prophet was sent at a time when people worshiped stones, wood and carved idols, but our riser will rise at a time when they protest against the Imam with the Qur'an and interpret the verses against him.

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Imam Sadegh (عليه السلام) says: When Hazrat Ghaem rises, a group of people will leave the religion and the Willayah althugh  theywere considered that they are the followers of Hazrat. Also, people accept the guardianship of his majesty although they were looked similar to sun and moon worshipers.

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/465238/برخورد-امام-زمان-عج-با-مقدس-نماها

http://ensani.ir/fa/article/62714/فجر-مقدس

https://www.al-islam.org/articles/signs-reappearance-twelfth-imam-ajtf

http://ijtihadnet.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Life-of-Imam-Al-Mahdi-by-Baqir-Sharef-al-Qurashi.pdf

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8 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

Problem is,

When marja says yes, mostly people blindly follow yes.

When doctor says you got a brain tumor, you discuss it with him in details then go to many other doctors for opinions and discuss the pros and cons of problems with them.

Thats how important health is for people but islamic ruling, no man we can't understand them so we blindly trust marja.

the other problem is thes people see only 1 side.. not realiszing how much mistakes we make in medicle field including in sugery room or even when you are a scientust..it shows enough we cant be masoom (infallible) and I would also not mark us as hujjat because we dont deserve that title. that basically would say that we in huge ignorance and lots doctors who are fully kaffir are hujjat to people?:hahaha:

and about marjas, that can be a different story.. but still they arent masoom and are taking conclusions trough what is written by ahlalbayt. a merjaa is someone who has studied his lifetime about what ahlalbayt has narrated and collected all together soo that he can give advise. soo they deserve rather the title hujjatul islam. then the title hujjatul allah. 

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