Why aren't cousin marriages at least makruh?

[Guest Sam]

Like there is so much evidence it can lead to genetic deformities if done over many generations. Pakistan where they do many cousin marriages have reports of many genetic deformities

[Guest]

Because Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) also gave aql and cousin marriages lead to genetic defects only if practised over generations.

[Ali bin Hussein]

2 hours ago, Guest Sam said:

Like there is so much evidence it can lead to genetic deformities if done over many generations. Pakistan where they do many cousin marriages have reports of many genetic deformities

Be cautious in you use of the word evidence.

There is no evidence that cousin marriage can be directly harmful or spread of disease.

As in if 2 people are carriers of the same disease the chance of offspring being born with the disease is the same weather you are cousins or not.

There is more chance that 2 cousins may be carriers.

But that extends to all simliar populations and races eg sickle cell in black africans.

We would therefire be left with only interacial marriages as non makhroo.

This is just my opinion.

The ultimate answer  it is allowed in Sharia. The why and what's of what makes somthing makhroo isn't always a "rational" explination.

 

[smma]

4 hours ago, Ali bin Hussein said:

Be cautious in you use of the word evidence.

There is no evidence that cousin marriage can be directly harmful or spread of disease.

As in if 2 people are carriers of the same disease the chance of offspring being born with the disease is the same weather you are cousins or not.

There is more chance that 2 cousins may be carriers.

But that extends to all simliar populations and races eg sickle cell in black africans.

We would therefire be left with only interacial marriages as non makhroo.

This is just my opinion.

The ultimate answer  it is allowed in Sharia. The why and what's of what makes somthing makhroo isn't always a "rational" explination.

 

There is lots of evidence cousin marriages lead to deformities. Cousins share 12.5% same DNA as us the risk is high. 

[313_Waiter]

According to Dr Zakir Naik (I know, a lot of us wouldn’t be fans because of a statement he made), it isn’t recommended generation after generation.

 

[Meedy]

I think its a taboo or stigma from Western Countries.

Is there actual evidence that leads to deformities, I would like to see it.

I suppose it best to avoid generation after generation then again when you don't have many options, what can you do.

[313_Waiter]

41 minutes ago, Meedy said:

taboo or stigma from Western Countries.

Oddly enough, we don’t see “Cousin rallies” in such countries, just LGBTQ rallies. Some states and countries have even outright banned first cousin marriages.

Edited February 8, 2021 by 313_Waiter

[Ali bin Hussein]

1 hour ago, smma said:

There is lots of evidence cousin marriages lead to deformities. Cousins share 12.5% same DNA as us the risk is high. 

Cousin marriages don't lead to deformity. There is no disease know as cousin deformity 

Reread my post I think you misunderstood what I mean.

Please present any evidence.

Edited February 8, 2021 by Ali bin Hussein

[guest 2025]

Funny how there is a stigma against polygamy and cousin marriages, but men marrying men is considered normal and acceptable. I cannot wait for Imam Mahdi.

[The Green Knight]

If we look at our role models almost all their marriages I know of have been not with cousins. Remember whatever they do there is great wisdom in it.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, The Green Knight said:

If we look at our role models almost all their marriages I know of have been not with cousins.

Who are your role models?

[Zainuu]

7 hours ago, smma said:

There is lots of evidence cousin marriages lead to deformities. Cousins share 12.5% same DNA as us the risk is high. 

If such a thing is a possibility then don't prefer it. But in most of thed cases, such studies remain invalid. 

Cousin marriages happen like a norm in the muslim society. I don't know why always there are 'studies' questioning such norms.

Drinking wine is okay. A doctor came to my school for a session and he said that having a drink of wine once a week is beneficial to health. 

Another day a session was held saying that drinking the cow urine is beneficial from studies.

There are studies after studies which say that gay marriages are all good. 

But ohh my god! Cousin marriages are a real concern. A 'study' says.

Actually we desparetely need a 'study' to verify these 'studies' too. And yes, I am not joking. What methods do these people employ? What data is used in there samples? What is the population from which the samples are obtained? 

Which mathematical/statistical methods are employed to reach to the conclusion?

[The Green Knight]

1 hour ago, starlight said:

Who are your role models?

Seriously? Yes yes I know. I wrote "almost all" of them.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, The Green Knight said:

 

Seriously? Yes yes I know. I wrote "almost all" of them.

Haha, okay.. there have been quite a few cousin marriages uptil the 5th Imam(عليه السلام). After that.. well.... it wasn't always even within the same race. 

[smma]

Cousins marriages lead to deformations for the same reason siblings can't have (living) children. Denying the risk gets you nothing. 

[Meedy]

Its not about denying it. 

Its about actual evidences. What are the sources? How is it determined? Who researched it?

Have they studied married couples who are cousins? How many did they study on? Which country did the study?

Its fine if you don't support cousins marriage but to say there is evidences that is harmful, i want see these evidences, who did them and how they were studied.

Again if what else can u do if there is no options,

Its already hard enough trying to find a suitable partner specially in this day and age

 

[Abu_Zahra]

On 2/9/2021 at 2:24 PM, smma said:

Cousins marriages lead to deformations for the same reason siblings can't have (living) children. Denying the risk gets you nothing. 

There is obviously a significant difference, regardless of whether you are looking at it scientifically/medically, culturally or religiously. 

As @starlight explained, a continuous series of such marriages in an ancestral line could be problematic, but in itself it is not necessarily an issue. 

One could argue in general that marrying from the same clan/same village over several generations could also result in some negative genetic impacts.

Overall it looks like diversity helps 

49:13 O mankind! Indeed We created you from a male and a female,and made you nations and tribesthat you may identify yourselves with one another.Indeed the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is the most Godwary among you.Indeed Allah is all-knowing, all-aware.

[inneedofprayers]

On 2/8/2021 at 7:57 PM, guest 2025 said:

Funny how there is a stigma against polygamy and cousin marriages, but men marrying men is considered normal and acceptable.

I find it hard to come to terms with the idea of polygamy. 

[inneedofprayers]

On 2/8/2021 at 7:57 PM, guest 2025 said:

 I cannot wait for Imam Mahdi.

How is this relevant to OP's comment?

[guest 2025]

48 minutes ago, inneedofprayers said:

I find it hard to come to terms with the idea of polygamy. 

Hello! Like you I'm not used to it because it isn't done in my society due to the stigma, but I can come to terms with the idea 

49 minutes ago, inneedofprayers said:

How is this relevant to OP's comment?

Once Imam Mahdi is here all of wrong will be set right, including getting rid of the stigma of "incestuous" cousin marriage and "degenerate" polygamy which especially stings because it's they who have violated the sanctity of marriage.

 

 

 

[Guest Fluffy Rabbit]

Allah (S) says in the holy quran: "do not kill a soul unjustly" this verse covers issues if diseases appears in relatives. and there can be many more you can find. it is not necessary that you search any issue in quran in first attempt. you have to try for it until you find your answer. like other fields islam also requires interest and struggle.

[BleedKnee]

On 2/8/2021 at 1:43 AM, Ali bin Hussein said:

The ultimate answer  it is allowed in Sharia. The why and what's of what makes somthing makhroo isn't always a "rational" explination.

Part of what makes something halal, haram or makruh (apart from the Quran and Sunnah) is objective reality. If a practice has objective harm to it, that needs to be considered by the legal jurist. Unfortunately, none of us are jurists, so we don't even know why it's considered halal in the mainstream in the first place. 

To OP, I'm guessing is because, one, culture, two, Imam Ali (عليه السلام) married his own cousin's (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) daughter (عليه السلام) so there's some sunnah, and three, these deformities you speak of are rare enough that marriages like these (most of the time) can work. I mean, hell, Rudy Giuliani married his cousin. Even white people do it.

Edit: Was curious, so I googled on the defect risk and here's an interesting study: 

"In April 2002, the Journal of Genetic Counseling released a report which estimated the average risk of birth defects in a child born of first cousins at 1.1–2.0 percentage points over an average base risk for non-cousin couples of 3%, or about the same as that of any woman over age 40.^[209] In terms of mortality, a 1994 study found a mean excess pre-reproductive mortality rate of 4.4%,^[210] while another study published in 2009 suggests the rate may be closer to 3.5%.^[2] Put differently, a single first-cousin marriage entails a similar increased risk of birth defects and mortality as a woman faces when she gives birth at age 41 rather than at 30."

Meaning that apparently the risk of first-cousin marriages causing defects in children is the same with a woman above 40 having a child naturally. So, again, I'm guess that just so many of these marriages turn out fine, that people keep up with their traditions. But the risk is there. 

Edited February 10, 2021 by BleedKnee

[Abu_Zahra]

7 hours ago, BleedKnee said:

To OP, I'm guessing is because, one, culture, two, Imam Ali (عليه السلام) married his own cousin's (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) daughter (عليه السلام)

The historical references supporting such marriages are:

The marriage of the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) with Zainab bint Jahsh. In this case, they didn't have any children.

The marriage of Zainab bint Ali (عليه السلام) with Abdullah ibn Ja'far. 

The marriage of Imam Ali ibn Hussain (عليه السلام) with Fatimah bint Hasan (عليه السلام).