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Salaam,

Is Sayyid Kamal under house arrest?

If the above is true, why?

 

In my personal opinion and I strongly advocate that. Intellectual freedom and tolerance should be part and parcel of every society, country and region. Atleast, the educational institutes should have it as a fundamental principle/value. 

 

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On 9/3/2021 at 6:12 AM, Guest Ali said:

Salam there is no evidence about his house arrest which this is a blatant lie has been spread by anti shia groups or false preceptions of a so called reformist party newspaper  due to  their enmity with Qom,Iran which although of their false claims his site is still available and active despite all of false claims  which nothing has been  mentioned in his accustomed site about it whether directly or indirectly .

http://alhaydari.com/en/

Statement has been issued by community of teachers (jameehmodarresin) not Marjas 

Announcement of the opinion of the community of teachers (jameehmodarresin) of Qom seminary regarding Mr. Seyyed Kamal Heydari dated 2020-10-27

Hawzah (seminary) / community of teachers of Qom seminary warns the members of the Islamic community against the sedition of the likes of Seyyed Kamal Heydari, that they should never consider his false words  into account of religion and Madhhab and clergy and religious scholars, because the path taken by this person has no destination  except deviance. 

According to the reporter of Hazwa news agency, the Qom seminary community of teachers issued a statement regarding Mr. Seyyed Kamal Heydari, which is as follows:

Announcement of the opinion of the community of teachers (jameehmodarresin) of Qom seminary regarding Mr. Seyyed Kamal Heydari dated 2020-10-27

بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

وَ اتْلُ عَلَیْهِمْ نَبَأَ الَّذی آتَیْناهُ آیاتِنا فَانْسَلَخَ مِنْها فَأَتْبَعَهُ الشَّیْطانُ فَکانَ مِنَ الْغاوینَ (اعراف: ۱۷۵)

recite to them the news of the one to whom We gave Our signs; But he deprived himself of it, so Satan followed him, he was one of the lowly misguided. (Al-A'raf:175)

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/7:175

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For some time, a person named Seyed Kamal Heydari, who is one of accustomed people  to the seminary schools; From time to time, he makes inappropriate comments about Islamic and Shiite principles.


The community of teachers of Qom seminary has been monitoring him for several years and has taken the path of patience and understanding in the face of his inaccurate and incomplete analyzes and materials. Examining the mentioned records shows that he did not have the necessary discipline and perseverance in his studies, and he did not learn enough from masters. His roles in one of the programs of  [al-]Kawthar TV were not due to his own scientific ability, but because of the information and references provided to him by a group of experts and he just performed it . A group that has distanced itself from him and rejects his behavior and words.

Ever since his invalid opinions took place, scholars and religious people have talked with him and made him aware of the invalidity of his opinions and incomplete views. Despite accepting most of the considerations and reminders and commitment to correcting mistakes and compensating for mistakes; He has always acted against his promise and has not corrected his ways. In addition, scientific centers have also officially invited him to present his views in free-thinking and theorizing chairs. These chairs are presented in the presence of Opinionated and experts; But he rejected  this scientific and advisable way, he insists on publishing the mentioned errors. Obviously, the place for discussion about analyzes and perceptions - although being in conflict with the Islamic and Shia principles - is in specialized and scientific circles; which he does not accept it. It seems that he has now turned himself into a cave full of doubts, and the words of the Amir of the Believers [is about]  situation of those like him who says:

« ٍکُلُّ ذَلِکَ وَحْشَهً مِمَّا وَرَّثَ النَّبِیُّ الْأُمِّیُّ ص وَ نُفُوراً مِمَّا أَدَّى إِلَیْهِمْ مِنْ أَخْبَارِ فَاطِرِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَ الْأَرْضِ أَهْلُ حَسَرَاتٍ وَ کُهُوفُ شُبُهَاتٍ وَ أَهْلُ عَشَوَاتٍ وَ ضَلَالَهٍ وَ رِیبَهٍ مَنْ وَکَلَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَى نَفْسِهِ وَ رَأْیِهِ فَهُوَ مَأْمُونٌ عِنْدَ مَنْ یَجْهَلُهُ غَیْرُ الْمُتَّهَمِ عِنْدَ مَنْ لَا یَعْرِفُهُ …»؛

All this is due to the fear of what Ummi Prophet  ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) left behind and because of the hatred of what he presented to them from news of Creator of the heavens and the earth. [These] are the people of laziness, the caves of doubts, the people of short-sightedness, misguidance and suspicion; The one whom Allah has left to himself and his will. (Kafi, vol. 8; p. 63)

Unfortunately, there is a time he with his false perceptions, he has also added unfair comparisons to  predecessor scholars of , may Allah bless them and grant them peace. To the extent that some Most High Marjas  explicitly criticized his false perceptions in their fatwas. A more thought-provoking point is that, regardless of his false perceptions of Islam and Shiism, the publication of these speeches and his inappropriate and seditious statements on the eve of the Holy Prophet's ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) birthday, which is the axis of the unity of the Islamic Ummah, has excited all the divisives. He has led the networks of enemies and seditionists to welcome his baseless words and republish them, and therefore, on the basis of this, the community of teachers of Qom seminary warns the members of the Islamic community against the sedition of his likes, that one should never interpret his false words into account  of religion and Madhhab, clergy and religious scholars  because the path that this person has taken is nothing but deviation and misguidance, although we are sure that informed Muslims, especially the followers of Ahl al-Bayt (peace be upon them), Islam, Shiism, consider scholars and great Marjas are free from his baseless and inappropriate opinions and comparisons. 

 

اللهم اصلح کل فاسد من امور المسلمین

والسلام علیکم و رحمه‌الله و برکاته

Mohammad Yazdi

Chairman of the Supreme Council of the Teachers' Society of Qom Seminary

https://jameehmodarresin.org/6497/اعلام-نظر-در-خصوص-آقای-سید-کمال-حیدری/

https://www.hawzahnews.com/news/925159/اعلام-نظر-جامعه-مدرسین-حوزه-علمیه-قم-در-خصوص-آقای-سید-کمال-حیدری

 

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On 12/11/2023 at 7:07 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam there is no evidence about his house arrest which this is a blatant lie has been spread by anti shia groups or false preceptions of a so called reformist party newspaper  due to  their enmity with Qom,Iran which although of their false claims his site is still available and active despite all of false claims  which nothing has been  mentioned in his accustomed site about it whether directly or indirectly .

http://alhaydari.com/en/

Statement has been issued by community of teachers (jameehmodarresin) not Marjas 

Announcement of the opinion of the community of teachers (jameehmodarresin) of Qom seminary regarding Mr. Seyyed Kamal Heydari dated 2020-10-27

Hawzah (seminary) / community of teachers of Qom seminary warns the members of the Islamic community against the sedition of the likes of Seyyed Kamal Heydari, that they should never consider his false words  into account of religion and Madhhab and clergy and religious scholars, because the path taken by this person has no destination  except deviance. 

According to the reporter of Hazwa news agency, the Qom seminary community of teachers issued a statement regarding Mr. Seyyed Kamal Heydari, which is as follows:

Announcement of the opinion of the community of teachers (jameehmodarresin) of Qom seminary regarding Mr. Seyyed Kamal Heydari dated 2020-10-27

بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

وَ اتْلُ عَلَیْهِمْ نَبَأَ الَّذی آتَیْناهُ آیاتِنا فَانْسَلَخَ مِنْها فَأَتْبَعَهُ الشَّیْطانُ فَکانَ مِنَ الْغاوینَ (اعراف: ۱۷۵)

recite to them the news of the one to whom We gave Our signs; But he deprived himself of it, so Satan followed him, he was one of the lowly misguided. (Al-A'raf:175)

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/7:175

https://jameehmodarresin.org/6497/اعلام-نظر-در-خصوص-آقای-سید-کمال-حیدری/

https://www.hawzahnews.com/news/925159/اعلام-نظر-جامعه-مدرسین-حوزه-علمیه-قم-در-خصوص-آقای-سید-کمال-حیدری

 

 

The seminaries in Najaf and Qom are colluding to make his life hell. They've forced the Iranian govt to confiscate his passport (yes they have that much power).

They are trying to exile him to some remote village. 

They have now closed all centres in Iraq and Iran that have any associations with him. 

You can hear it directly from his recordings on his official Telegram channel. All other websites haven't been updated since his last recording almost 4 years ago. 

This is character assassination par excellence. The religious establishment has a long history of this kind of [edited] behaviour. They would love to get rid of him completely if they could. 

Edited by Haji 2003
You can make the point without such language
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This is how tv-media of seminaries work. The group of scholars study and present their findings. They write articles, prepare the text for videos etc. Then they pick a tv personality to offer their findings to the masses. Seyyed Haydari was one of them. So, the videos he presented is actually the works and findings of the group of scholars. Same goes for Shaykh Muzaffar of Islamic Pulse.tv for example. He is a host and tv personality who offers the findings of English speaking seminary students in al-Mustafa University. God forbid that his ego is boosted and he claims himself a king in the future, it would be absurd if the group of scholars who present him their findings wouldn't leave-desert him.

So, Syed Haydari is not a brainiac who found and presented all the shia arguments out there all by himself. It was a group of scholars. But if his ego is boosted because of that, and he takes a stance against the seminary that supported him and made him what he is, naturally they will desert him. Syed Haydari, I don't know what his current views are, has been a God centric, anti-dogmatic, Wilayat al Faqeeh supporter religious scholar. That's why we love him. But his latest videos before he got ill and hospitalised was a bit apologetic (due to western cultural imperialism and its pressure). And it is a pity when our scholars yield to the western pressure and issue fatawas accordingly. I mean, lets leave religion, the Holy Quran, the Noble Prophet Muhammad and imams aside... I mean why be shy about our culture and lifestyles. The western "culture" is not universal. We shouldn't allow them impose their culture upon us.

 

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:salam:

@beardedbaker @islamicmusic

Without getting into crossed opinions and heated debate, could you guys provide a brief summary of what lead to this situation ? 

I think I missed the controversial milestones in Sayid Haydari's carreer, I only can remember him going from champion in debating sunnis to outcast in shia islam. I vaguely remember a topic on hijab being not wajib and not commonly used even during times of Prophet (sawas)...

 

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19 hours ago, islamicmusic said:

This is how tv-media of seminaries work. The group of scholars study and present their findings. They write articles, prepare the text for videos etc. Then they pick a tv personality to offer their findings to the masses. Seyyed Haydari was one of them. So, the videos he presented is actually the works and findings of the group of scholars. Same goes for Shaykh Muzaffar of Islamic Pulse.tv for example. He is a host and tv personality who offers the findings of English speaking seminary students in al-Mustafa University. God forbid that his ego is boosted and he claims himself a king in the future, it would be absurd if the group of scholars who present him their findings wouldn't leave-desert him.

So, Syed Haydari is not a brainiac who found and presented all the shia arguments out there all by himself. It was a group of scholars. But if his ego is boosted because of that, and he takes a stance against the seminary that supported him and made him what he is, naturally they will desert him. Syed Haydari, I don't know what his current views are, has been a God centric, anti-dogmatic, Wilayat al Faqeeh supporter religious scholar. That's why we love him. But his latest videos before he got ill and hospitalised was a bit apologetic (due to western cultural imperialism and its pressure). And it is a pity when our scholars yield to the western pressure and issue fatawas accordingly. I mean, lets leave religion, the Holy Quran, the Noble Prophet Muhammad and imams aside... I mean why be shy about our culture and lifestyles. The western "culture" is not universal. We shouldn't allow them impose their culture upon us.

 

What the heck is this jibberish. should never have come back here. ..

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On 5/25/2024 at 2:51 AM, islamicmusic said:

Seyyed Haydari was one of them. So, the videos he presented is actually the works and findings of the group of scholars. Same goes for Shaykh Muzaffar of Islamic Pulse.tv for example.

You're not seriously comparing one of the most senior scholars of our time with a junior youtuber student? Are you even aware of Sayyid Kamals publications, lectures and lessons in the hawza? 

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The comparison is not about the status, knowledge or works of said persons.

It is about ditching the group that has provided you their presentations, findings etc. Whether a big or small figure, it doesn't matter. If someone leaves aside the hawza that has made them what they are today, it is natural they don't get the same support now.

I mean @bearded baker claims the Ayatollah is different to Najaf and Qom which are the castles of Shia Islam. And that he will destroy their "dogmatic beliefs", then why whine about him losing their support?

Anyway, I wouldn't judge our Ayatollahs based on some supposedly telegram channels existing. Especially Ayatollah Haydari, who has served spreading the message of shia islam, the islamic revolution, wilayat al faqeeh, islamic unity etc. And I don't know what his current views are. But, his latest videos was a little apologetic to western pressure. And that needs to change.

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salaam, it is wrong they shouldn't imprison anyone, also I don't see anything he said as wrong? He didnt say hijab is not necessary he says the way hijab is can change, for example a long loose covering dress, In the USA or a shuttlecock burka in afghanisttan. Latter is not acceptable in the former country. and that's ok. he never said dont wear hijab LOL. Whats the issue?

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