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Are you going to take the vaccine?


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Are you going to take the vaccine?  

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  1. 1. Are you going to take the vaccine? Please state a reason as well.



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9 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Anyone who fully reads this thread will understand that you should learn how to conduct yourself in an argument. I’ll say it again, you bring no points, no quotes and nothing of any substance in your barely intelligible posts. Everyone reading knows that. I’ve been posting quotes from actual doctors, solid points and questions that nobody here can answer. Leave the arguing for those who are better at it

wasalam

Okay, you made great points along with undeniable and non laughable evidence. We should not take vaccines because it will grow an extra tail in the back and beak in front. Now please spare us a break. 

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38 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

1/40000 = 0.000025% for person to get it...that is devastating.

Drug watchdog the European Medicines Agency last week announced a possible link with clots but said the risk of dying of Covid-19 was much greater.

If they withdraw it because of the 0.000025% clots chance, then what a ridiculous leaders they are.

People differ on this: It's ok for minority to be in harms way as long as the majority benefits.

For some scientist like one Dr Noorchashm, it's against his medical ethics.

https://noorchashm.medium.com/a-response-to-dr-d0432f9bd2e1

"Nor do I ascribe to the idea that for the benefit of the majority in an ethical society, it is justified to accept minority harm — especially when such harm is amenable to prediction or mitigation. That approach is, in fact, an abuse of utilitarian medical ethics, for which I have a healthy respect — so long as it is adequately calibrated against safety for those identifiable souls who might be in real or potential harm’s way.

To be crystal clear, my concern is that indiscriminate vaccination of the recently convalescent or actively infected COVID-19 patients might pose an immunological danger to them — and particularly those who are elderly, frail or have cardiovascular disease or risk factors".

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3 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Okay, you made great points along with undeniable and non laughable evidence. We should not take vaccines because it will grow an extra tail in the back and beak in front. Now please spare us a break. 

Bro learn English and stop lying I never said vaccines will do anything of the sort. If you don’t have anything of substance to say it’s better to stay quiet. 

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3 minutes ago, justAnothermuslim said:

People differ on this: It's ok for minority to be in harms way as long as the majority benefits.

For some scientist like one Dr Noorchashm, it's against his medical ethics.

https://noorchashm.medium.com/a-response-to-dr-d0432f9bd2e1

"Nor do I ascribe to the idea that for the benefit of the majority in an ethical society, it is justified to accept minority harm — especially when such harm is amenable to prediction or mitigation. That approach is, in fact, an abuse of utilitarian medical ethics, for which I have a healthy respect — so long as it is adequately calibrated against safety for those identifiable souls who might be in real or potential harm’s way.

To be crystal clear, my concern is that indiscriminate vaccination of the recently convalescent or actively infected COVID-19 patients might pose an immunological danger to them — and particularly those who are elderly, frail or have cardiovascular disease or risk factors".

That is definition of insanity to allow many people risk to die than these 0.000025% to risk to be saved, if they can even be saved even if they don't take the vaccine.

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4 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Bro learn English and stop lying I never said vaccines will do anything of the sort. If you don’t have anything of substance to say it’s better to stay quiet. 

You're getting on my nerves. Please stop quoting me. 

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55 minutes ago, justAnothermuslim said:

People differ on this: It's ok for minority to be in harms way as long as the majority benefits.

For some scientist like one Dr Noorchashm, it's against his medical ethics.

https://noorchashm.medium.com/a-response-to-dr-d0432f9bd2e1

"Nor do I ascribe to the idea that for the benefit of the majority in an ethical society, it is justified to accept minority harm — especially when such harm is amenable to prediction or mitigation. That approach is, in fact, an abuse of utilitarian medical ethics, for which I have a healthy respect — so long as it is adequately calibrated against safety for those identifiable souls who might be in real or potential harm’s way.

To be crystal clear, my concern is that indiscriminate vaccination of the recently convalescent or actively infected COVID-19 patients might pose an immunological danger to them — and particularly those who are elderly, frail or have cardiovascular disease or risk factors".

This show that you people actually don't even care anything of this, you just do it for sake of anti-vax. Feed me anything, as long it is pro anti-vax. 

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11 minutes ago, Bakir said:

Being SC a highly moderated community, I don't know why they let such harmful ignorant discourse (that is proven that has translated into higher death numbers) to freely take place in the public forums.

Seriously, this is an ethical problem in itself. Many of us have lost relatives due to this pandemic.

I am pretty sure we all have lost someone near us due to this pandemic.
But that should't stop us from getting to know the truth of where the pandemic comes from and why.
Why this sudden step to vaccinate everyone, give them different passports, restrictions etc.
Something is definitely going on.

Indeed there is a higher sinister plan in this whether you see it or not, whether you believe it or not.

What would be more harmful is to not have these types of discourse. Then we would be only blind followers. As shia, we should not be blind followers.
 

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6 hours ago, F.M said:

i have also met waay to many people who still got corona after they did vaccine

So you met people who had the vaccine and then got coronavirus and they are still alive? Wouldn't you admit that the CV-19 vaccine did its job correctly? That it boosted their immunity and helped them survive when they were later infected? 

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Here is the explanation Sister @Hameedeh.

Before sharing the vaccine formulation, I would like to ask everyone to take every precautionary measures like wearing mask, washing hands with soap, maintain social distance wherever possible etc.

Recite ayat al-kursi, first 6 verses of Al-Hadeed and last 3 verses of Al-Hashr, in the morning specially when going out and in the evening. 

This is the vaccine, I have named it Asma ul Husna vaccine, and I am trying to fight the virus with the radiations of the asma al-husna present in the verses. 

و من يتوكل على الله فهو حسبه

I will continue to take this vaccine shots twice daily till the end of my life. As long as I am living this worldly life, this is my defence, my weapon and my support for every calamity, pandemic etc. 

Note: We all have to take the vaccines developed by scientists, sooner or later. There is no scape from getting vaccinated. So vaccinate yourself too as a precautionary measure. 

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4 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

You cannot take out any conclusion using pic like this. Can you? 

Here's Ali Khamenei with terrorist Samiul Haq, father of Taliban. 

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:salam:

Of course you can, it is easy to see the two pictures were not taken in the same context. At all. 

And calling Biden's election 'defeat of falsehood in America' ? Please brother.

Those two pictures are just self explanatory. 

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3 hours ago, realizm said:

:salam:

It's sad how one Scandinavian country, usually being shown as examples of truthfulness, suddenly fell into the bad guys category. (Sarcasm) 

No one ever said that they were the good guys in all respects.

As a Muslim you'd need to have a healthy disrespect for their sexual ethics. And specifically when it comes to medicine and the area of euthanasia and physician assisted suicide you'd also have quite different beliefs to them.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11963448/

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7 hours ago, justAnothermuslim said:

People differ on this: It's ok for minority to be in harms way as long as the majority benefits.

I think that's the logic behind modern medicine.

All medicines will have an adverse effect and may even kill a tiny percentage of the people who take them.

Amlodopine is a heart drug. A possible side effect is a heart attack (going by the patient literature). Helpfully they say that if you experience a heart attack, you should visit a doctor. However, it is very rare.

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On 4/26/2021 at 6:44 PM, F.M said:

so basically it looks like you are getting forced to take the vaccin.. but still you should follow the procautions?????.....seriously this is something that sounds contradicting

:salam:

By developing  of Nasal covid vaccines you can also skip using of masks which Iran & Cuba are pioneers in making nasal covid vaccines which both countries have started medical trials which mass production  of Iranian vaccine  (Razi cov-pars ) will start at late September  of this year inshaAllah .

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Razi Institute COV-Pars coronavirus vaccine is the first injected-inhaled recombinant corona protein vaccine unveiled February.

The institute started working on a COVID-19 vaccine in early 2020.

https://en.irna.ir/news/84296342/Mass-production-of-Iran-s-Razi-Cov-Pars-Covid19-Vaccines-to-come

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The BAREKAT vaccine, which health officials have said is 90-percent effective according to preliminary results, will be injected into some patients with underlying diseases to prove its safety.

Meanwhile, a vaccine developed by the Razi Vaccine and Serum Research Institute (Razi Cov Pars) is expected to become the second Iranian-made vaccine to be administered among the population in early August; which started the clinical trial on February 27.

Iran has also started human trials of Fakhra vaccine, the third domestically developed COVID-19 vaccine, named after nuclear scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh (he was assassinated in late November near Tehran), that was unveiled and started the clinical trial on March 16.

“Osvid-19”, the fourth domestic vaccine produced by Osvah Pharmaceutical Company is also undergoing human trials, which will also be available in early September.

Three joint-produced vaccines

Iran is currently producing vaccines jointly with three countries of Cuba, Russia, and Australia.

https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/460223/Iran-among-pioneers-in-COVID-19-vaccine-development

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Five countries seeking to purchase Iranian COVID-19 vaccine

TEHRAN – Two European countries and three regional countries have asked to purchase homegrown coronavirus vaccine (COVIRAN BAREKAT), Mohammad Mokhber, the head of the Headquarters for Executing the Order of the Imam has said.

COVIRAN BAREKAT, the first coronavirus vaccine made by researchers at the Headquarters for Executing the Order of the Imam which was unveiled on December 29, 2020, started to be mass-produced on March 29.

At least two European countries and three countries in the region are now seeking to negotiate on purchasing vaccine, but we will export once the domestic needs are met, he noted, adding, the production capacity of COVID-19 vaccine in the world is about 2 billion doses per year, while the need for a vaccine is about 14-16 billion doses.

Movie of injection  of Razi Nasal covid vaccine

https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/459822/Five-countries-seeking-to-purchase-Iranian-COVID-19-vaccine

https://covid.rvsri.ac.ir/portal/home/

https://covid.rvsri.ac.ir/portal/home/?NEWS/254915/254942/256586/استفاده-از-دوز-استنشاقی-واکسن-«رازی-کووپارس»-در-کارآزمایی-بالینی

https://www.farsnews.ir/news/14000201000639/آغاز-تزریق-دز-استنشاقی-واکسن-رازی-کووپارس

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vaccine candidates. Abdala and Mambisa, a nasal spray, both entered phase 1/2 trials late last year.

Abdala is the title of a poem by a Cuban revolutionary, and Mambisa is named after the guerrillas who fought against the Spanish colonialists in the 19th century. All of which indicates that the vaccine drive is a matter of national pride. 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00159-6/fulltext

https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2021/04/10/cuba-may-become-the-smallest-country-to-make-covid-19-vaccines

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Finnish academics developing intranasal COVID-19 vaccine

Rokote Laboratories are seeking investment for the vaccine and are already in discussions about clinical trials although no date has been set.
As COVID-19 is transmitted through the airways, the team assert that a nasally-administered vaccine should induce a wider immune response than injection by needle. Ylä-Herttuala explains: "Vaccines injected intramuscularly produce IgG (immunoglobulin G) antibodies in the bloodstream, but nasal vaccines also produce an IgA response that protects mucous membranes. We assume that this can also prevent those who have received the vaccine from transmitting the virus.”

https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/146970/new-finnish-company-to-develop-a-nasal-spray-vaccine-for-covid-19/

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UK, US teams begin trials of coronavirus nasal spray vaccines

Russia’s Gamaleya Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology is also trialing a nasal spray version of the Sputnik V vaccine.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1832396/world

 

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The Next Step in Covid-19 Vaccines May Be Through the Nose

Intranasal vaccines may help prevent transmission and hinder the evolution of new viral variants

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With a spritz up the nose, such a vaccine would travel through the upper respiratory tract, encouraging the body to produce protective antibodies there. If successful, this immune response would both neutralize the virus on its way in before making a person sick, and it would ensure that no live virus escapes when they exhale, cough or sneeze. While early data on efforts to promote mucosal immunity is promising, companies are still in early-stage clinical trials and a marketable, intranasal Covid-19 vaccine may be a year out.

“For real control of the pandemic, what we want to do is not just prevent serious disease and death—as good as that is in itself—but we want to be able to break the chains of transmission,” says Michael Russell, a mucosal immunologist with the University of Buffalo.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-scientists-are-working-intranasal-vaccines-combat-covid-19-180977478/

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New Finnish company to develop a nasal spray vaccine for COVID-19

The spin-out from the Universities of Helsinki and Eastern Finland will leverage years of research to test and bring to market a nasal spray vaccine against COVID-19.

https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/146970/new-finnish-company-to-develop-a-nasal-spray-vaccine-for-covid-19/

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22 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

No one ever said that they were the good guys in all respects.

As a Muslim you'd need to have a healthy disrespect for their sexual ethics. And specifically when it comes to medicine and the area of euthanasia and physician assisted suicide you'd also have quite different beliefs to them.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11963448/

Of course brother, I was more referring to their reputation towards corruption, health and environment and so on. All these that make those countries so attractive including to eastern people. 

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10 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

This show that you people actually don't even care anything of this, you just do it for sake of anti-vax. Feed me anything, as long it is pro anti-vax. 

dear bro

Actually i've nothing to sell or a blog to keep afloat - just stating what people on the other side of the fence is saying.

What to believe? Who to believe? You gotta do your own research.

What Dr Noorchashm is saying (deferring vaccinating for some time those already infected) could very well explained the infographic below.

 

IndiaEraJab.thumb.jpeg.da46cf151e02acf2e0832258a207dfeb.jpeg

https://noorchashm.medium.com/vaccinating-the-covid-19-infected-a-dangerous-clinical-and-regulatory-misstep-for-the-elderly-and-5c445df9084f

In the end, it is FDA, CDC, Pfizer and Moderna that bear the burden of liability for negligence in not protecting those persons with UNKNOWN (or hidden) SARS-CoV-2 infections— it is simply the logical extrapolation from their own deficient regulatory language, which is demonstrating this dangerous error.

I write here, again, for the public record and for the benefit and consideration of Drs. Woodcock and Marks at FDA — as well as CDC Director, Dr. Wollensky.

Certainly, I also write for the public record, because I do believe that Pfizer and Moderna might be legally (and certainly ethically) exposed, knowing that insufficient mitigation has been deployed to protect The Infected, all those infected and not just the KNOWN, from vaccine harm.

Here is my respectful suggestion to FDA, CDC, Pfizer and Moderna leaders: Simply change the language of your contraindication to read:

“vaccination of persons with KNOWN or SUSPECTED current SARS-CoV-2 infection should be deferred.”

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36 minutes ago, justAnothermuslim said:

What to believe? Who to believe? You gotta do your own research.

You heard of 'Kumbh Mela'? An very important Hindu religious festivals which is held every 12 years and lasts for for a month which is still taking place in India from March to end April.  That's what's probably responsible for the sharp surge. Imagine people doing Hajj in the pandemic? It's something similar to that. 

"Over 1,700 people have tested positive for Covid-19 in the Haridwar Kumbh Mela area from April 10 to 14 confirming fears that one of the world’s largest religious gatherings may contribute further to the rapid rise in coronavirus cases"

 

Covid-19 protocol tossed away at Haridwar Kumbh Mela as 31 lakh throng for holy dip | Ground report

People participating in the ongoing Kumbh Mela in Haridwar were seen openly flouting Covid-19 protocol. The state administration said it's trying its best, but there are limitations in handling such large gatherings, and enforcing social distancing is very challenging.

Some pictures from the past month.

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6 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

I think that's the logic behind modern medicine.

All medicines will have an adverse effect and may even kill a tiny percentage of the people who take them.

Amlodopine is a heart drug. A possible side effect is a heart attack (going by the patient literature). Helpfully they say that if you experience a heart attack, you should visit a doctor. However, it is very rare.

Totally agree. Modern medicine treats signs and symptoms.

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15 hours ago, justAnothermuslim said:

think the other half of the story is that RT-PCR gives more than 90% false +ve if the value of amplification (Cycle Threshold) is greater than 35.

1. Ct of 35-40 is the globally set cut off value though it might get altered because of poor testing techniques but why would anyone intentionally set it high?

2. In india the things are have gone beyond testing. People are literally dying on the streets of air hunger and non availability of oxygen. 

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10 hours ago, justAnothermuslim said:

dear bro

Actually i've nothing to sell or a blog to keep afloat - just stating what people on the other side of the fence is saying.

What to believe? Who to believe? You gotta do your own research.

What Dr Noorchashm is saying (deferring vaccinating for some time those already infected) could very well explained the infographic below.

 

IndiaEraJab.thumb.jpeg.da46cf151e02acf2e0832258a207dfeb.jpeg

https://noorchashm.medium.com/vaccinating-the-covid-19-infected-a-dangerous-clinical-and-regulatory-misstep-for-the-elderly-and-5c445df9084f

In the end, it is FDA, CDC, Pfizer and Moderna that bear the burden of liability for negligence in not protecting those persons with UNKNOWN (or hidden) SARS-CoV-2 infections— it is simply the logical extrapolation from their own deficient regulatory language, which is demonstrating this dangerous error.

I write here, again, for the public record and for the benefit and consideration of Drs. Woodcock and Marks at FDA — as well as CDC Director, Dr. Wollensky.

Certainly, I also write for the public record, because I do believe that Pfizer and Moderna might be legally (and certainly ethically) exposed, knowing that insufficient mitigation has been deployed to protect The Infected, all those infected and not just the KNOWN, from vaccine harm.

Here is my respectful suggestion to FDA, CDC, Pfizer and Moderna leaders: Simply change the language of your contraindication to read:

“vaccination of persons with KNOWN or SUSPECTED current SARS-CoV-2 infection should be deferred.”

Brother

What this person is saying is to delay vaccinating people who are active covid cases(including asymptomatic).He is presenting his own rationale for that.Its noteworthy.Here in India they are not vaccinating people who are having Active Covid infection anyway but Delaying it for 14 days post Infection.

But I don't know why you are linking that graph with his opinion.Indian vaccination drive is joke right now.They have fully vaccinated just 15+ million people corresponding to around 1 % of the population excluding people of age group 18-45 which makes largest chunk of population.

About recent Surge in casesin India, It Should be attributed to Election rallies harboring thousands of people,Poor vaccine drive,New mutant strain of Virus,Lack of Government Competence and Of course Kumbh Mela like Festival.

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10 hours ago, starlight said:

1. Ct of 35-40 is the globally set cut off value though it might get altered because of poor testing techniques but why would anyone intentionally set it high?

Most PCR assays are constructed based on the German Drosten et al. Protocol. On November 27th 2020, 22 scientists submitted a request for retraction of this protocol which was published in the journal Eurosurveillance, citing a number of fatal design flaws. You can read further from the link below

https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/?fbclid=IwAR3kaAj43yFTKtRvc5yuFToH7sU3GcxNM4S8hXj3Aabz7uIkQSNeoyCD2pw

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3. The number of amplification cycles (less than 35; preferably 25-30 cycles);

In case of virus detection, >35 cycles only detects signals which do not correlate with infectious virus as determined by isolation in cell culture [reviewed in 2]; if someone is tested by PCR as positive when a threshold of 35 cycles or higher is used (as is the case in most laboratories in Europe & the US), the probability that said person is actually infected is less than 3%, the probability that said result is a false positive is 97% [reviewed in 3].

10 hours ago, starlight said:

2. In india the things are have gone beyond testing. People are literally dying on the streets of air hunger and non availability of oxygen. 

 

I know sis, air pollution is a big problem in big cities in India, even before the advent of covid-19. But reports like this, gave a different picture.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/23/indias-new-covid-variant-when-did-it-emerge-should-we-worry

India is battling a record-breaking rise in COVID-19 infections that has overwhelmed hospitals and led to severe bed and oxygen shortages.

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4 hours ago, Qambar1 said:

Brother

What this person is saying is to delay vaccinating people who are active covid cases(including asymptomatic).He is presenting his own rationale for that.Its noteworthy.Here in India they are not vaccinating people who are having Active Covid infection anyway but Delaying it for 14 days post Infection.

But I don't know why you are linking that graph with his opinion.Indian vaccination drive is joke right now.They have fully vaccinated just 15+ million people corresponding to around 1 % of the population excluding people of age group 18-45 which makes largest chunk of population.

About recent Surge in casesin India, It Should be attributed to Election rallies harboring thousands of people,Poor vaccine drive,New mutant strain of Virus,Lack of Government Competence and Of course Kumbh Mela like Festival.

I’m not disagreeing with you as you know the situation better in India. As for me, I’m just sick and tired of hearing nothing but covid every where I turn :-(.  Stay safe bro.

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@justAnothermuslim Thank you for sharing the link, very informative read. Some of the points raised there are valid but in the end it comes down to clinical diagnosis. A rule every medical student is taught and every good clinician practices- Lab tests and investigations should only be used to support a diagnosis made on clinical parameters. A doctor should rely on his own clinical skills rather than investigations to diagnose a condition.

This is something which has been mentioned in the paper too

"Clinicians need to recognize the enhanced accuracy and speed of the molecular diagnostic techniques for the diagnosis of infections, but also to understand their limitations. Laboratory results should always be interpreted in the context of the clinical presentation of the patient, and appropriate site, quality, and timing of specimen collection are required for reliable test results”

Even if we look at the numbers of people suffering respiratory symptoms and subsequent decreased Oxygen saturation without any lab investigations those numbers are significant. Though I don't deny there could have been many false positive cases(asymptomatic), as is the case with almost all lab investigations but because asymptomatic people and those with mild-moderate symptoms were required to do nothing besides quarantine at home and Tylenol maybe, false positives still doesn't provide an explanation for the large number of cases admitted in hospitals requiring oxygen therapy and ventilators. 

Allah knows best.

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On 4/28/2021 at 3:42 AM, Sirius_Bright said:

You cannot take out any conclusion using pic like this. Can you? 

Here's Ali Khamenei with terrorist Samiul Haq, father of Taliban. 

 

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Greetings and appreciation for your correspondence with this center regarding Maulana Samiul Haq: First of all, Maulana Samiul Haq is the founder of Darul Uloom Haqqani School and the leader of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam and the chairman of the Pakistan Defense Council. He wields considerable influence among the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban. But that does not mean he is organizationally the leader of the Taliban or their leader. Secondly, regarding Sami al-Haq's invitation to a meeting in Tehran, we must say that although the Islamic Republic opposes the Taliban and their thoughts and actions, it seeks to prevent them from joining ISIS and falling into this arena.
 

 Therefore, the Islamic Republic is trying to reduce the possible tendency and cooperation of these two currents in Afghanistan, and this is in order to maintain the security of the country and reduce threats.Besides, Samiul Haq is not the leader of the Taliban, whose invitation means recognizing the Taliban and their thoughts and actions. Yes, his influence among the Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan is undeniable, and this has been the reason and motivation of the Islamic Republic of Iran to invite him. Obviously, many of the thoughts and beliefs of people like Sami al-Haq about the Islamic Republic of Iran, as well as the Shiites as a whole, are definitely wrong, and some of these perceptions are due to the deviant actions of some Shiites and satellite networks The leader of the revolution called them  the Shiites of London(British Shiism ).Based on its grand strategy in the unity of Muslims, the Islamic Republic commits itself to aligning with Islamic scholars and personalities around the world in order to reduce differences and divisive motives, and to correct their misconceptions about Shiism. To play an irreplaceable role in preserving unity, preventing sectarian wars, and preserving the blood of Shiites in countries such as Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 

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In recent years, along with the late Burhanuddin Rabbani, who was killed by extremist groups, is considered one of the Mujahideen of Afghanistan against Soviet colonialism and internal tyranny in Afghanistan. Went. Hekmatyar took refuge in Iran during the Taliban regime and settled in Tehran, and the existence of his possible office in Tehran dates back to this period, or before he became the Prime Minister of Afghanistan, along with President Burhanuddin Rabbani, in The present Afghan political scene . .But he took a stand against the Islamic Republic of Iran after the fall of the Taliban and the withdrawal from Iran. He currently has no office in Tehran and the Islamic Republic of Iran has nothing to do with him. 

 

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All grouplet  British  Shiite suspicions; Allahiari is also based on a fallacy

Allahiari introduces the current character of Hekmatyar - who is a troublemaker and one of the people who beats the drum of division among Muslims and has exactly the same personality as Allahiari - and introduces him as having an office in Tehran, while His possible office in Tehran and his relations with the Islamic Republic of Iran, as mentioned, date back to the time when he was one of the Afghan Mujahideen.

https://www.porseman.com/article/روبوسي-رهبري-با-مولانا-سميع-الحق؟/151659

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fa&tl=en&u=https://www.porseman.com/article/روبوسي-رهبري-با-مولانا-سميع-الحق؟/151659

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The spiritual father of the Taliban had studied the sciences of exegesis, hadith and logic at the Dar al-Uloom Haqqani school and was fluent in Arabic, Urdu and Pashto, and knew Dari Persian well.
Although he was known as the spiritual father of the Taliban and may have been thought of as one of the extremist religious figures, he was a moderate and always called for unity among all Islamic societies and the resolution of issues and differences in the Islamic world.
Samiul Haq traveled to Tehran in May 2013 to participate in the International Conference on 'Islamic Scholars and Awakening' and his positive response to the invitation to participate in such a conference, the way of thinking and the way this religious figure views the issues of the Islamic world and the necessity There is unity among Islamic societies.

 

 

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** Interview with IRNA, the only interview of Sami al-Haq with an Iranian media
In an interview with IRNA on October 11, 2015, as the only interview with an Iranian media, he spoke about the importance of the unity of the Islamic world and some issues He stated in front of the Islamic Ummah.
"We demand unity among all Islamic countries, societies and religions and the solution of the problems and sufferings facing the Islamic Ummah." This was part of Maulana Samiul Haq's speech in his only interview with an Iranian media outlet.
In that relatively short interview, he told IRNA: "We want to remove the ambiguities between Saudi Arabia and Iran and we consider it useful to strengthen the unity between the Islamic Ummah."
Samiul Haq also praised the efforts of the Islamic Republic of Iran to unite and empathize with the Islamic Ummah to repel the enemies' anti-Islamic conspiracies.
In an interview shortly after the announcement of the death of then-Taliban leader Mullah Omar and the election of Mullah Akhtar Mansour as his successor and new Taliban leader, Samiul Haq, a popular figure with the Afghan Taliban, said: Mullah Akhtar Mansour has been able to control the situation of this group after Mullah Omar's death.
However, after a few months, the Americans did not allow Mullah Akhtar Mansour to continue his activities and killed him in a planned military attack to push Afghanistan away from the shores of peace talks between the Taliban and the Kabul government.

 

 

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as the withdrawal of the Americans from Afghanistan.

** Samiul Haq acquittal of Pakistani Taliban terrorists
Samiul Haq, of course, had parted ways with Pakistani Taliban terrorists known as the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP). As a religious-political and moderate figure, he was highly regarded and influential among various groups in Pakistan.
One example of the separation of Maulana Samiul Haq from the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) terrorists was a fatwa issued by the cleric in 2013 in support of the polio vaccine, a disease that has not yet been eradicated in Pakistan.
When the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) tried to dissuade and threaten the uninformed people of the deprived areas of northwestern Pakistan and other deprived areas of the country from vaccinating their children against polio, it was rumored that the vaccine would sterilize people. To put them in front of the government of Pakistan, Samiul Haq issued a fatwa declaring that the opinion of doctors about vaccines and drugs useful for humans should be respected.
Samiul Haq can be considered one of the most complex and mysterious political and religious figures of Pakistan; A figure who many experts believe had a chest full of secrets, whose mysterious assassination at the age of 85 destroyed the possibility of revealing these hidden secrets forever.

 

 

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Samiul Haq was a member of the Pakistani Senate from 1985 to 1997. He chaired various religious-political groups, including the Pakistan Defense Council and the Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Sami-e-Haq branch. Another branch of the religious-political group of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Pakistan of Pakistan is led by an extremist figure named Maulana Fazlur Rehman. He is one of the elements supported by Saudi Arabia, and perhaps for this reason it can be said that Samiul Haq's path was separate from the Saudi line and extremism.
This influential but quiet figure of Pakistan had an undeniable influence on the Afghan Taliban, which is why the Afghan ambassadors to Pakistan at various times were in constant contact with Samiul Haq, and his office in the city of Akura Khattak was frequent. He has often hosted Afghan ambassadors or Afghan political, military, or security delegations, but with his help, using his influence and popularity among the Taliban, he paved the way for ending the stalemate in peace talks between the Kabul government and the Taliban. But Samiul Haq agreed with the Taliban that the precondition for real peace talks was the withdrawal of the Americans from Afghanistan.

 

https://www.irna.ir/news/83087600/سميع-الحق-كيست-محمدرضا-منافي

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@Ashvazdanghe He is a terrorist and if someone like Khamenei meets him, it creates doubt in the mind of common people. I believe there are instances in life when you need to talk with the enemy. Khamenei can talk with a terrorist and that is fine but Qazwini's talking to President of US is an issue?. Don't be hypocrite. Have some Husne zann for them also unless you know what they discussed. 

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On 4/29/2021 at 4:18 AM, Qambar1 said:

Brother

What this person is saying is to delay vaccinating people who are active covid cases(including asymptomatic).He is presenting his own rationale for that.Its noteworthy.Here in India they are not vaccinating people who are having Active Covid infection anyway but Delaying it for 14 days post Infection.

But I don't know why you are linking that graph with his opinion.Indian vaccination drive is joke right now.They have fully vaccinated just 15+ million people corresponding to around 1 % of the population excluding people of age group 18-45 which makes largest chunk of population.

About recent Surge in casesin India, It Should be attributed to Election rallies harboring thousands of people,Poor vaccine drive,New mutant strain of Virus,Lack of Government Competence and Of course Kumbh Mela like Festival.

In another posting, he means both, active and recently convalescent patients. Thus my saying "could very well explained...".

But who are these individuals who are almost certain to be carrying SARS-CoV-2 antigens in their tissues?

They are the recently convalescent COVID-19 patients and those with active, symptomatic or asymptomatic, infections.

https://noorchashm.medium.com/the-safest-way-to-get-your-covid-19-vaccine-screenb4vaccine-d8a9b0bb7cbd

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17 hours ago, starlight said:

Thank you for sharing the link, very informative read. Some of the points raised there are valid but in the end it comes down to clinical diagnosis. A rule every medical student is taught and every good clinician practices- Lab tests and investigations should only be used to support a diagnosis made on clinical parameters. A doctor should rely on his own clinical skills rather than investigations to diagnose a condition.

This is something which has been mentioned in the paper too

"Clinicians need to recognize the enhanced accuracy and speed of the molecular diagnostic techniques for the diagnosis of infections, but also to understand their limitations. Laboratory results should always be interpreted in the context of the clinical presentation of the patient, and appropriate site, quality, and timing of specimen collection are required for reliable test results”

 

You are welcome and I agree with the above. Unfortunately this is not what's happening in most situations.

As I understand it, to be sick is to have symptoms. It used to be common sense that you are healthy unless you are not.

Sense is not common anymore during this pandemic. Now you are sick until proven healthy. The vehicle for this is the RT-PCR test run at >35 cycles and beyond.

So where is the problem? If you are tested +ve, even if there’s no symptoms whatsoever, you’re being counted as a covid19 case (infection) which will add up to the total number of daily covid19 cases.

Some people opined, reduce the number of covid19 cases and deaths by 90% and 94% respectively, then we’ll have greater chance of getting to the truth.

With regards to the reduction by 90%, you can read further on the link below. The 94% reduction is something to do with a report from CDC concerning only 6% of total covid19 deaths were w/o co-morbidities.

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/09/28/false-positive-tests/

There are two measures in most medical screening tests which are usually defined as the ‘sensitivity’ and the ‘specificity’ of a test. In my opinion, these two words are far too close together in sound, so they are very easy to mix up in your brain.

I find it easier to think of the accuracy of test results in this way.

  • False negatives

  • False positives

A false negative is a result which informs someone that they do not have a disease, when in fact they do.

A false positive is a result which informs someone they do have a disease, when they don’t.

Ideally a test should never give a false negative (100% sensitivity) nor give a false positive (100% specificity). There is no known test that does this. In general, there is a trade-off going on between these two measures..

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COVID19 false positives

More troubling, right now, than the very poor sensitivity of COVID19 testing (high number of false negatives) is the knotty question of how many false positive tests there are? This is important, because we are told that cases are rising and rising as we suffer a ‘second wave’ of COVID19.

However, if we have a high rate of false positives, then the rise in ‘cases’ could be driven by a rise in testing – and nothing else. And you don’t need a high percentage of false positive tests to do this. If the false positive rate is as little as just one per cent (1%) this means the majority of people told they are positive for COVID19, do not have COVID19!

I know that most people find this a difficult one. It goes like this.

First, you have to know the estimated prevalence of the disease in the community. That is, the total number currently infected. Last time I looked it was one in nine hundred. For the sake of this calculation I shall call it one in a thousand. [Or, to put it another way, sixty-seven thousand people in the UK (population 67 million) are currently infected with COVID19].

Using this one in a thousand figure. This means, if you randomly tested ten thousand people, you would expect to find ten COVID19 cases [forgetting the false negatives for now].

On the other side of the coin. If the false positive rate is one per cent, you would have an additional one hundred false positives cases.

10,000 x.01(1%) = 100

Putting this another way. With a prevalence of one in a thousand, and a false positive rate of one per-cent you would have ten true COVID19 positive cases, and ninety false positives. Ergo, the vast majority of people told that they have COVID19, do not. Is this actually happening?

There is heated debate. As in much heat and little light.

17 hours ago, starlight said:

Even if we look at the numbers of people suffering respiratory symptoms and subsequent decreased Oxygen saturation without any lab investigations those numbers are significant. Though I don't deny there could have been many false positive cases(asymptomatic), as is the case with almost all lab investigations but because asymptomatic people and those with mild-moderate symptoms were required to do nothing besides quarantine at home and Tylenol maybe, false positives still doesn't provide an explanation for the large number of cases admitted in hospitals requiring oxygen therapy and ventilators. 

Allah knows best.

.I think there's a misunderstanding here. My concern is the number of daily covid19 cases reported and not the number of patients being treated in hospitals. Sorry if i've given the wrong signal.

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