Are you going to take the vaccine?

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, F.M said:

I said even if you took the vaccine you still can transmit it to others. 

And this is wrong. The truth is scientists don’t fully know yet how much the vaccines reduce transmission of the virus from a vaccinated person to others. It does reduce transmission, exactly how much that we don't know as for now.

Funny when you talk about the vaccine otherwise you never fail to remind people that it's been in the market for a very short period and hence no reliable studies are available to check the effectiveness or side effects etc but when it comes to viral shedding you are suddenly sure that it does not prevent transmission. 

[F.M]

20 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

I would just like to add to my post that it is a fact for me (as it seems everyone's facts are different), that depression and isolation causes deaths. That's the definition of psychosomatic disease. Especially for the aging population that was suddenly locked down and forced to stay at home, surely some died because of that. The lockdown has its victims, and I consider them martyrs. 

So that should be accounted for and those people should be prayed for. Also those older people in lockdown right now, lonely and depressed. Even people were stopped from visiting their parents in elder homes. Another reason for depression and psychosomatic attacks. 

HEALTH

4,113,445Communicable disease deaths this year

155,806Seasonal flu deaths this year

2,408,504Deaths of children under 5 this year

13,502,478Abortions this year

97,939Deaths of mothers during birth this year

42,663,911HIV/AIDS infected people

532,669Deaths caused by HIV/AIDS this year

2,602,384Deaths caused by cancer this year

124,952Deaths caused by malaria this year

10,775,388,571Cigarettes smoked today

1,584,016Deaths caused by smoking this year

792,508Deaths caused by alcohol this year

339,789Suicides this year

427,734Road traffic accident fatalities this year

total death corona since it got discovered= 3,11 million world wide!!

 

scources"

https://www.worldometers.info/

Statistics death by corona

 

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by F.M

[F.M]

17 minutes ago, starlight said:

And this is wrong. The truth is scientists don’t fully know yet how much the vaccines reduce transmission of the virus from a vaccinated person to others. It does reduce transmission, exactly how much that we don't know as for now.

ok then whats now the point of vaccines?????

17 minutes ago, starlight said:

Funny when you talk about the vaccine otherwise you never fail to remind people that it's been in the market for a very short period and hence no reliable studies are available to check the effectiveness or side effects etc

i talk with experience as what i see in my own surroundings and at work and what happens around me. 

17 minutes ago, starlight said:

but when it comes to viral shedding you are suddenly sure that it does not prevent transmission. 

i never said that.  in hospitals we are also always busy preventing it thats why we have lots rules. 

everything you touch there are bacteria on it including on youre own animlas. you can not prevent not transmission.

every living creature has its own bacteria/virusses as well as good ones and bad ones and they are in complete balance. when you get too much of the negative bacteria then you get ill. Transmissions do always happen. i never have said you can prevent it

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by F.M

[Gaius I. Caesar]

Update: The soreness has gone down considerably, it lasted a week for my mother. I am currently feeling fine, no symptoms of side effects and feel no different than I did prior to the vaccine, except maybe having the self awareness to not argue with @starlight on medicine and immunology, she is a doctor after all. 

[F.M]

 

2 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

self awareness to not argue with @starlight on medicine and immunology, she is a doctor after all. 

With all due respect, but she is not the only doctor on this world. 
i am myself also comming from a whole doctor familie ( including me who have experience in pharmacy as well) and soo many more people too, and all deserve to be respected. 
 
 

Edited April 26, 2021 by F.M

[Gaius I. Caesar]

2 hours ago, F.M said:

 

With all due respect, but she is not the only doctor on this world. 
i am myself also comming from a whole doctor familie ( including me who have experience in pharmacy as well) and soo many more people too, and all deserve to be respected. 
 
 

With all due respect, you should that I know and I am aware of this fact: Being a pharmacist does not make you experienced in immunology and I think it is quite incredible that someone of your background has fallen for anti-vax conspiracies on the Internet. There are many medical books and papers on immunology and the efficacy of vaccines. 

[Syed.Dynasty]

It’s insane that people are all so blind. This is the first time in history their pushing for global vaccinations. Why? Why not vaccinate those who are at risk only? It makes no sense for everyone to get this experimental vaccine when our lives aren’t in danger. If we need to vaccinate people then why not just those are in danger? Ho is everyone so blind.

[Syed.Dynasty]

22 hours ago, notme said:

Are you acknowledging that vaccines for this kind of virus have been in development for at least nine years and it is not something new and untested? 

Lol what???? Do you not remember SARS aunty g? You AAV types are so silly. Why would it make sense to vaccinate everyone on the planet as opposed to vaccinating those who are at risk ?

[Syed.Dynasty]

8 hours ago, starlight said:

And this is wrong. The truth is scientists don’t fully know yet how much the vaccines reduce transmission of the virus from a vaccinated person to others. It does reduce transmission, exactly how much that we don't know as for now.

Funny when you talk about the vaccine otherwise you never fail to remind people that it's been in the market for a very short period and hence no reliable studies are available to check the effectiveness or side effects etc but when it comes to viral shedding you are suddenly sure that it does not prevent transmission. 

Fact is sister scientist don’t know much about these vaccines at all. They are all vaccine candidates. It’s a global experiment, you claim to be a doctor right? Can you tell me why everyone in the world needs to get vaccinated? Why not just those who are at risk?

As a doctor why not try to push other methods of combating the virus? Instead of this experimental vaccine, about which we have no idea the long term vaccinations.

[Syed.Dynasty]

3 hours ago, F.M said:

 

With all due respect, but she is not the only doctor on this world. 
i am myself also comming from a whole doctor familie ( including me who have experience in pharmacy as well) and soo many more people too, and all deserve to be respected. 
 
 

Lol yea also she didn’t even answer me when I asked if she has a PhD or if she’s a specialist. There are more qualified doctors that are against this elitist experiment than regular doctors who are easily affected by suggestive programming.

[Syed.Dynasty]

8 hours ago, F.M said:

World - Historical Death Rate Data
Year	Death Rate	Growth Rate
2021	7.645	0.430%
2020	7.612	0.440%
2019	7.579	0.440%
2018	7.546	-0.320%
2017	7.570	-0.320%
2016	7.594	-0.330%
2015	7.619	-0.310%
2014	7.643	-0.310%
2013	7.667	-0.980%
2012	7.743	-0.960%
2011	7.818	-0.960%
2010	7.894	-0.940%
2009	7.969	-0.940%
2008	8.045	-1.010%
2007	8.127	-1.000%
2006	8.209	-0.980%
2005	8.290	-0.980%
2004	8.372	-0.970%
2003	8.454	-0.750%
2002	8.518	-0.760%
2001	8.583	-0.740%
2000	8.647	-0.750%
1999	8.712	-0.730%
1998	8.776	-0.750%
1997	8.842	-0.740%
1996	8.908	-0.740%
1995	8.974	-0.730%
1994	9.040	-0.720%
1993	9.106	-0.810%
1992	9.180	-0.810%
1991	9.255	-0.790%
1990	9.329	-0.800%
1989	9.404	-0.780%
1988	9.478	-1.180%
1987	9.591	-1.150%
1986	9.703	-1.150%
1985	9.816	-1.130%
1984	9.928	-1.130%
1983	10.041	-1.400%
1982	10.184	-1.380%
1981	10.327	-1.360%
1980	10.469	-1.350%
1979	10.612	-1.330%
1978	10.755	-2.240%
1977	11.001	-2.180%
1976	11.246	-2.140%
1975	11.492	-2.090%
1974	11.737	-2.050%
1973	11.983	-2.480%
1972	12.288	-2.420%
1971	12.593	-2.360%
1970	12.898	-2.310%
1969	13.203	-2.260%
1968	13.508	-3.710%
1967	14.029	-3.580%
1966	14.550	-3.450%
1965	15.070	-3.340%
1964	15.591	-3.230%
1963	16.112	-1.560%
1962	16.367	-1.530%
1961	16.621	-1.510%
1960	16.876	-1.480%
1959	17.130	-1.470%
1958	17.385	-1.950%
1957	17.731	-1.910%
1956	18.076	-1.880%
1955	18.422	-1.840%
1954	18.767	-1.810%
1953	19.113	-1.780%
1952	19.459	-1.740%
1951	19.804	-1.720%
1950	20.150	0.000%

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/WLD/world/death-rate

you should also know that back then the population wasnt 8billion but even less then 5 billion, 

so if you look at 2020 its almost same as previous years

Lol it’s literally the same as 2019, but the sheep who are vehemently arguing that we should take part in the experiment don’t care about this.

[Muhammed Ali]

9 hours ago, F.M said:

World - Historical Death Rate Data
Year	Death Rate	Growth Rate
2021	7.645	0.430%
2020	7.612	0.440%
2019	7.579	0.440%
2018	7.546	-0.320%
2017	7.570	-0.320%
2016	7.594	-0.330%
2015	7.619	-0.310%
2014	7.643	-0.310%
2013	7.667	-0.980%
2012	7.743	-0.960%
2011	7.818	-0.960%
2010	7.894	-0.940%
2009	7.969	-0.940%
2008	8.045	-1.010%
2007	8.127	-1.000%
2006	8.209	-0.980%
2005	8.290	-0.980%
2004	8.372	-0.970%
2003	8.454	-0.750%
2002	8.518	-0.760%
2001	8.583	-0.740%
2000	8.647	-0.750%
1999	8.712	-0.730%
1998	8.776	-0.750%
1997	8.842	-0.740%
1996	8.908	-0.740%
1995	8.974	-0.730%
1994	9.040	-0.720%
1993	9.106	-0.810%
1992	9.180	-0.810%
1991	9.255	-0.790%
1990	9.329	-0.800%
1989	9.404	-0.780%
1988	9.478	-1.180%
1987	9.591	-1.150%
1986	9.703	-1.150%
1985	9.816	-1.130%
1984	9.928	-1.130%
1983	10.041	-1.400%
1982	10.184	-1.380%
1981	10.327	-1.360%
1980	10.469	-1.350%
1979	10.612	-1.330%
1978	10.755	-2.240%
1977	11.001	-2.180%
1976	11.246	-2.140%
1975	11.492	-2.090%
1974	11.737	-2.050%
1973	11.983	-2.480%
1972	12.288	-2.420%
1971	12.593	-2.360%
1970	12.898	-2.310%
1969	13.203	-2.260%
1968	13.508	-3.710%
1967	14.029	-3.580%
1966	14.550	-3.450%
1965	15.070	-3.340%
1964	15.591	-3.230%
1963	16.112	-1.560%
1962	16.367	-1.530%
1961	16.621	-1.510%
1960	16.876	-1.480%
1959	17.130	-1.470%
1958	17.385	-1.950%
1957	17.731	-1.910%
1956	18.076	-1.880%
1955	18.422	-1.840%
1954	18.767	-1.810%
1953	19.113	-1.780%
1952	19.459	-1.740%
1951	19.804	-1.720%
1950	20.150	0.000%

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/WLD/world/death-rate

you should also know that back then the population wasnt 8billion but even less then 5 billion, 

so if you look at 2020 its almost same as previous years

Read the big red text on that page:

NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

You people need to learn to be careful. @Syed.Dynasty another mistake. Like I told you before: If we scrutinize your claims with care, you will see a lot of mistakes. And that is the case for all of your people.

[SoRoUsH]

On 4/25/2021 at 11:41 AM, Mahdavist said:

To keep it simple, those who believe it's all a big conspiracy and that the vaccine is evil simply shouldn't take it.

The rest of us will inshaAllah try and protect our own lives and those of others around us with the best option that is available to us.

With time the results will take care of themselves.

The problem is those anti-vaxxer idiots do not just put their own lives in danger, but they put everybody else's lives in danger, too. 

Conspiratorial thinking has been a plague in Muslim/Shia communities for a long time, and it is quite disappointing to see how dimwitted some people can be, in our own communities. 

Before we complain about or make fun of hillbilly rednecks in America's Bible belt, we need to take a look at our own Shia hillbilly rednecks, whose mentality and mindset are almost identical to their American redneck brethrens. 

Conspiracy theories are like mind viruses, and they're very contagious.

Edited April 27, 2021 by SoRoUsH

[MexicanVato]

28 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

The problem is those anti-vaxxer idiots do not just put their own lives in danger, but they put everybody else's lives in danger, too. 

This is the collectivist thinking that made the national socialists and marxist seem like saints looking out for the 'collective good'. 

Let those who want to take risks without a vaccine interact with each other. For those that want to get the vaccine and only be around people that received it, then do just that. Do not control others. 

 

29 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

Conspiratorial thinking has been a plague in Muslim/Shia communities for a long time, and it is quite disappointing to see how dimwitted some people can be, in our own communities. 

I don't know much about conspiracies in the Shi'a community but what I do know is there seems to be conspiracies that were in fact true at the onset of Islam and after the demise of our beloved Messenger (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). So I couldn't blame Shi'a to be suspicious but we should all be cautious in what views or beliefs we hold. I speak of myself first and foremost. 

Masalama

[SoRoUsH]

27 minutes ago, MexicanVato said:

Let those who want to take risks without a vaccine interact with each other.

You think it's possible to control a bunch of idiots to only interact with their own kind and not step out of their circles? That's precisely the problem. They have no regards or care for anyone else but themselves and their own tribes. They are absolute narcissists and egoist. All that matters to them is themselves.

So, it's easy to say "let them do whatever they want." But what they want puts everybody else's lives in danger.

I won't even get into the plague of conspiracy theories in our communities. However, the mental sickness of conspiratorial thinking and being constantly suspicious is nothing like the mindset of early shias. 

The early shias had their Imams (عليه السلام) clearly tell them facts and truths about what happened. No conjectures, no guess works. 

Today's conspiracy theory idiots, have nothing but conjectures and guesswork, all based on extreme suspicion and fear. It's quite sad to see these Shia hillbilly rednecks.

 

Anyways, it's best for me to not continue talking about this topic. And I won't continue. 

May Allah guide us all to His Straight Path. 

[Abu Nur]

Quote

I don't know much about conspiracies in the Shi'a community but what I do know is there seems to be conspiracies that were in fact true at the onset of Islam and after the demise of our beloved Messenger (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). So I couldn't blame Shi'a to be suspicious but we should all be cautious in what views or beliefs we hold. I speak of myself first and foremost. 

Look, no one deny that there are evil people with their planning of evilness. But the craziness happen when we dwell too much on it with lack of knowledge/education and make wrong judgements for many event happen in the world. Then such a people start to spread nonsense like an virus over the world and the weak people will follow them and suffer.

If they even read basics of Qur'an, they would have said: We trust and leave it to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and move on. 

[MexicanVato]

8 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

You think it's possible to control a bunch of idiots to only interact with their own kind and not step out of their circles? That's precisely the problem. They have no regards or care for anyone else but themselves and their own tribes. They are absolute narcissists and egoist. All that matters to them is themselves.

I understand where you're coming from. But flip the script to put this in perspective. Imagine if the Ummayads were telling us what was in the interest of the collective good. We see in even the split between Shi'a and Sunni there were ahadith etc.. in favor of compromising to make it seem it was proper for Ahlul Bayt to submit so there was no civil war or other internal conflict. 

What is so strange to me tho regardless of factions, because i know how governments, political parties and religions exploit that, we are still fighting with people over a virus with a small death rate... It is not like we are living in the 1700s or something like that with the black death. Regardless if you are pro vaccine and social distancing or having 'life' as usual, we are being manipulated.

In my personal view I don't think governments are using certain vaccines to destroy people, however I do believe they are using it for two reasons: Power and Money which go hand in hand.   

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Lol yea also she didn’t even answer me when I asked if she has a PhD or if she’s a specialist.

Not that it should make any difference when I am conversing with people who primary more of knowledge is tabloids and conspiracy theory social media pages, but I am an associate professor in a medical college. This should answer your question, I am not giving out anymore personal information. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Muhammed Ali said:

You people need to learn to be careful. @Syed.Dynasty another mistake. Like I told you before: If we scrutinize your claims with care, you will see a lot of mistakes. And that is the case for all of your peop

Lol, I had this saved with me from yesterday when they decided to bring up statistics but looks like you beat me to it. 

[Muhammed Ali]

1 hour ago, SoRoUsH said:

They have no regards or care for anyone else but themselves and their own tribes. They are absolute narcissists and egoist. All that matters to them is themselves.

 

Wrong views are the result of erroneous thinking or ill intent. Not everyone who is a conspiracy theorist is a bad person. It may be possible to teach some to think with clarity, although it might take a lot of effort. There are some that have left behind these types of views. On the Internet you may find a greater proportion of stubborn people than those we meet in person.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

4 hours ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

It’s insane that people are all so blind. This is the first time in history their pushing for global vaccinations. Why? Why not vaccinate those who are at risk only? It makes no sense for everyone to get this experimental vaccine when our lives aren’t in danger. If we need to vaccinate people then why not just those are in danger? Ho is everyone so blind.

No, global vaccinations were a thing during pandemic of 1918-19 as well; This is clearly not the first time, and with what is currently going on in India, you are definitely at risk. This pandemic is not a joke or a conspiracy, this is a very real threat. Everyone is in danger, the only people who are blind are the ones who stubbornly latch onto conspiracy theories from social media. 

[Guest]

Another thing I would like to add is that while you people are presenting death rate as the only parameter to gauge disease severity, but there are also post COVID complications that could give rise to another pandemic (of sorts) some years from now. Almost one third of the patients with severe COVID go on to develop lung fibrosis, a pathological change in the lung tissue that could be a harbinger of restrictive lung disease in the person.

A decade from now we could have a surge of patients who had COVID and recovered but now developed chronic lung disease and hypoxia requiring oxygen therapy. Fibrosis and resulting restrictive lung disease are not treatable or reversible and the only thing that can be done is supportive management. 

So we don't just have to look at mortality(which is also significant) but also morbidity and post disease complications. 

Edited April 27, 2021 by starlight

[Syed.Dynasty]

3 hours ago, Muhammed Ali said:

Read the big red text on that page:

NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

You people need to learn to be careful. @Syed.Dynasty another mistake. Like I told you before: If we scrutinize your claims with care, you will see a lot of mistakes. And that is the case for all of your people.

But yea sorry for quoting someone’s post? At least I can admit my errors unlike ....yknow lol. You havnt scrutinised any of the quotes from the doctors that I’ve posted you seem to just ignore those.  I wonder why that could be. That’s why I said even tho sis FM posted that stat I know the sheep vehemently arguing for vaccines wouldn’t believe it even if it wasn’t just a UN projection. 

24 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

No, global vaccinations were a thing during pandemic of 1918-19 as well; This is clearly not the first time, and with what is currently going on in India, you are definitely at risk. This pandemic is not a joke or a conspiracy, this is a very real threat. Everyone is in danger, the only people who are blind are the ones who stubbornly latch onto conspiracy theories from social media. 

I don’t have social media, other than this. I’m not saying this isn’t a threat, but for you to be so sure this isn’t a conspiracy is naive to say the least. Not everyone is in the recovery rate is extremely high.

https://www.brighteon.com/abf49b23-d428-4228-a6e4-7ef299d8dbfe 
 

32 doctors saying stay away from the vaccines. People who have covid don’t get treated by the vaccine they have to wait until the antibodies are removed from their system, then the vaccine would be given to them. 
 

The Spanish flu was much more deadly with 500 million people infected with a completely unknown number of deaths. The estimates range from 17 million to a 100 million???? Why is there such a huuuuge discrepancy? How does that make sense ??? Lol anyways can you pull up a stat sayin how many were vaccinated during that time?

 

[Syed.Dynasty]

2 hours ago, starlight said:

Not that it should make any difference when I am conversing with people who primary more of knowledge is tabloids and conspiracy theory social media pages, but I am an associate professor in a medical college. This should answer your question, I am not giving out anymore personal information. 

Ok so as an associate professor in a medical college, can you explain to me why everyone on the planet needs to be vaccinated? If everyone who is at risk gets it that should be enough, cuz even if we are carrying it they wouldn’t be at risk of getting it since they would already be vaccinated. Not to mention there are other remedies that are being sidelined by the media, in favour of this mRNA that you said 

“...can change the activity of enzymes, cause upregulation or down regulation of receptors, alter the activity at neuronal synapses, modify the function or hormones, give me cancer, give me diabetes”

 

and no sister this doesn’t answer the question. Anyone can be a doctor it doesn’t mean they know about immunisation or virology. That’s why I was asking it’s not about you personally lol. Oof.

[Syed.Dynasty]

3 hours ago, SoRoUsH said:

The problem is those anti-vaxxer idiots do not just put their own lives in danger, but they put everybody else's lives in danger, too. 

Conspiratorial thinking has been a plague in Muslim/Shia communities for a long time, and it is quite disappointing to see how dimwitted some people can be, in our own communities. 

Before we complain about or make fun of hillbilly rednecks in America's Bible belt, we need to take a look at our own Shia hillbilly rednecks, whose mentality and mindset are almost identical to their American redneck brethrens. 

Conspiracy theories are like mind viruses, and they're very contagious.

Oof the ad hominems aren’t a good argument and they reflect worse upon you. Many doctors are sayin this vaccine can be disastrous, but you ignore them and follow the mainstream media that is owned by five companies. Why else would they want us all to be vaccinated for something that most of us are not at risk of other than for lining their pockets. These ppl deny Allah and the Prophet and you want them to experiment on you?

Former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer for 16 years, Dr. Mike Yeadon, says:

“There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. I’ve never heard such nonsense talked about vaccines.”

“You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from a disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects,”

 

The sunnis also say abu bakr stealing the rights of the Ahlul Bayt is a baseless conspiracy theory. No theory should be thrown out without thorough examination. We can’t let our emotions dictate what we believe.

[Syed.Dynasty]

3 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

If they even read basics of Qur'an, they would have said: We trust and leave it to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and move on. 

3:118 Believers! Do not become friends with anyone except your own people. The unbelievers will not rest until they have corrupted you. They wish nothing but your ruin.

Edited April 27, 2021 by Syed.Dynasty

[Abu Nur]

12 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

3:117 Believers! Do not become friends with anyone except your own people. The unbelievers will not rest until they have corrupted you. They wish nothing but your ruin.

What? What verse is that? I have never heard that before.

[313_Waiter]

22 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

What verse is that? I have never heard that before.

It is Surah 3 verse 118:
 

Quote

يا أَيُّهَا الَّذينَ آمَنوا لا تَتَّخِذوا بِطانَةً مِن دونِكُم لا يَألونَكُم خَبالًا وَدّوا ما عَنِتُّم قَد بَدَتِ البَغضاءُ مِن أَفواهِهِم وَما تُخفي صُدورُهُم أَكبَرُ ۚ قَد بَيَّنّا لَكُمُ الآياتِ ۖ إِن كُنتُم تَعقِلونَ

O you who have faith! Do not take your confidants [bitānah] from others than yourselves; they will spare nothing to ruin you. They are eager to see you in distress. Hatred has already shown itself from their mouths, and what their breasts hide [within] is yet worse. We have certainly made the signs clear for you, should you apply reason.

al-quran.info/#3:118/1NhNxN2Nb

 

[Abu Nur]

10 minutes ago, 313_Waiter said:

It is Surah 3 verse 118:
 

 

Thanks, much better.

O you who have faith! Do not take your confidants [bitānah] from others than yourselves; they will spare nothing to ruin you. They are eager to see you in distress. Hatred has already shown itself from their mouths, and what their breasts hide [within] is yet worse. We have certainly made the signs clear for you, should you apply reason. Surah 3 verse 118:

- This just verify my previous post:

Look, no one deny that there are evil people with their planning of evilness. But the craziness happen when we dwell too much on it with lack of knowledge/education and make wrong judgements for many event happen in the world. Then such a people start to spread nonsense like an virus over the world and the weak people will follow them and suffer.

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[Syed.Dynasty]

28 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Look, no one deny that there are evil people with their planning of evilness. But the craziness happen when we dwell too much on it with lack of knowledge/education and make wrong judgements for many event happen in the world.

Lack of knowledge such as only believing one set of scientist and ignoring all the others? Anyone who knows anything about judging a matter will look at both sides before assuming anything to be correct. If we only believed one side of the story we would’ve believed the rebels in Syria were all moderates and fighting for a just cause. Propaganda is a serious weapon, look at how many Muslims deny the wilayah of Ali. All because of propaganda. In this day and age they have nearly perfected their use of propaganda.

 

He said: Now, because Thou hast sent me astray, verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path.Then I shall come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right hands and from their left hands, and Thou wilt not find most of them beholden (unto Thee).

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25 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

So why be a part of their experiment when there are other treatments available that AAV(anti anti vaxxer) people pretend aren’t there.

Which treatments?

25 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Harvard-MIT doctor and scientist Dr. Steven Quay published a paper concluding “beyond a reasonable doubt” that COVID was man-made and created in a Chinese lab.

THIS is exactly what he said 

"Because I strongly believe this COVID virus was a gain-of-function experiment that went wrong, we owe the families of the 2.7 million who died answers to why this happened," 

The purpose of the Open Letter is to help readers of the WHO report understand the five facts that scientists agree on and which support the conclusion that an accidental laboratory-acquired infection was likely responsible for the COVID pandemic.

First decide if you even believe in there being a pandemic or not! I am asking you again and again, at least stay consistent. If you are going to quote Dr.Steven Quay then is very much of the agreement that there is a COVID pandemic that is killing millions and he also believes that the virus is highly infectious for humans. 

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1 hour ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Not to mention there are other remedies that are being sidelined by the media, in favour of this mRNA that you said 

“...can change the activity of enzymes, cause upregulation or down regulation of receptors, alter the activity at neuronal synapses, modify the function or hormones, give me cancer, give me diabetes”

I did not say this in favour of or against mRNA. These are just the functions of mRNA, I said this in response to your gang shouting consistently that mRNA goes and alters genes (which is a part which you people conveniently leave out, cherry picking? intellectual dishonesty?) so I informed you that this is what mRNA can and cannot do.

2 hours ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

can you explain to me why everyone on the planet needs to be vaccinated? If everyone who is at risk gets it that should be enough,

Who said everyone needs to be vaccinated?  Only enough people to achieve herd immunity! (if you need to know more about herd immunity please go read on the internet, I have already wasted enough time here)

2 hours ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Not to mention there are other remedies that are being sidelined by the media,

So which remedies?

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26 minutes ago, starlight said:

Which treatments?

THIS is exactly what he said 

"Because I strongly believe this COVID virus was a gain-of-function experiment that went wrong, we owe the families of the 2.7 million who died answers to why this happened," 

The purpose of the Open Letter is to help readers of the WHO report understand the five facts that scientists agree on and which support the conclusion that an accidental laboratory-acquired infection was likely responsible for the COVID pandemic.

First decide if you even believe in there being a pandemic or not! I am asking you again and again, at least stay consistent. If you are going to quote Dr.Steven Quay then is very much of the agreement that there is a COVID pandemic that is killing millions and he also believes that the virus is highly infectious for humans. 

Lol when did I say this isn’t a pandemic? Plandemic for sure. In China they used vitamin C and had their economy back up and running before the vaccines. Dr. Andrew W. Saul, Dr. Robert F. Cathcart, Professor Victor Marcial-Vega of the Caribe School of Medicine, Dr. W. Gifford-Jones, M.D., a graduate of the University of Toronto and the Harvard Medical School are just some doctors who recommend treating covid with vitamin C. that’s only one of the treatments that people are being recommended. Your a doctor but don’t know this?
 

The vaccine doesn’t treat covid patients. Do you not know that? Ppl can only receive vaccines after their system is cleared from the virus and antibodies.

You can’t answer the one specific question I’m directing at you. Why do everyone who’s not at risk need the vaccine? If those who are at risk get the vaccine and if they are protected from covid through these vaccines, then why does the whole world need to get vaccinated with this experimental cocktail?

57 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Look at the greater picture. 5g,6g,7g rollout can affect your respiratory system, chalk in the stratosphere can affect your respiratory system. all this being rolled out by the rich. COVID is a respiratory illness. 

Is this merely coincidence doc?

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3 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Why do everyone who’s not at risk need the vaccine?

Because EVERYONE is at risk!!!! 

Look, since you are not even willing to believe there is a pandemic that's killing millions from babies to geriatrics there is no point trying to explain to you the population at risk.

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15 minutes ago, starlight said:

I did not say this in favour of or against mRNA. These are just the functions of mRNA, I said this in response to your gang shouting consistently that mRNA goes and alters genes (which is a part which you people conveniently leave out, cherry picking? intellectual dishonesty?) so I informed you that this is what mRNA can and cannot do.

Who said everyone needs to be vaccinated?  Only enough people to achieve herd immunity! (if you need to know more about herd immunity please go read on the internet, I have already wasted enough time here)

So which remedies?

You didn’t inform about it you just confirmed what the video of the professor said. So yea you’d want your fellow Shia to trust the disbelievers with this kind of technology that can directly affect your faith? 
 

Maybe there’s not as much pressure where you live but over here every time you fly they ask when are you getting vaccinated if your not already. There detailing plans to make vaccine passports to limit your rights of movement.

Anthony Fauci, on this network, actually said that 75% of Americans are going to have to get vaccinated to reach what they call “herd immunity".
 

But what he says has to be wrong. And this is also what we have taken great lengths to explain in the book. And why -- you know, someone who says this, has not the slightest inkling of the basics of immunology. And this is very, very surprising for someone of Dr. Fauci's standing.  - Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi