Are you going to take the vaccine?

[lissenma]

3 hours ago, Diaz said:

Now we need a source for this as well? XD Iran are creating their own vaccine, why? Why did they purchase 60 million vaccine from Russia? 

That doesn't mean that it's supported by khamenei.
 

Yes I would like to see the source were khamenei encourage people to take vaccine.
 

[lissenma]

3 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

The rest of us will inshaAllah try and protect our own lives and those of others around us with the best option that is available to us.

 

3 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

Both sides believe that they are protecting their lives and those around them.

It's just that one side trusts the untested substance, as well as the bankers, financiers, and media controllers of behind it, while the other side doesn't. 

You are right that we should wait and see. Soon we will know inshaAllah.

InshaAllah

[Syed.Dynasty]

On 4/24/2021 at 1:12 AM, starlight said:

[EDIT] and if your faith feels threatened by a drug then you need to question and work on your faith. 

If you don think ingesting certain substances can affect your faith you need to work on your intellect.

 

Its insane that so many of you claim to be Shia but let those who deny the existence of Allah experiment on you. Especially when there are other treatments available. You all just ignore that and bow down to societal pressures.

@starlight I get it, you see some terrible things because of covid, but this shouldn’t be the reason we ignore advising to look into other remedies as soon as they notice even the slightest of symptoms.

[Syed.Dynasty]

Former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer for 16 years, Dr. Mike Yeadon, says:

“There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. I’ve never heard such nonsense talked about vaccines.”

“You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from a disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects,”

[Syed.Dynasty]

Former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer for 16 years, Dr. Mike Yeadon, says:

“There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. I’ve never heard such nonsense talked about vaccines.”

“You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from a disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects,”

 

 

[Syed.Dynasty]

Prof. Dolores Cahill, is a PhD in Immunology from Dublin City University former group leader of the Protein Technology Group in the Max-Planck-Institute of Molecular Genetics, Berlin, and Professor of Translational Science at the UCD School of Medicine and Medical Sciences.

 

She and other scientists are holding that vast numbers of people who received the COVID vaccines will die of a well-known immunopathologic-type lung disease which became apparent in all other previous attempts to develop vaccines for coronaviruses, of which there are many, most often resulting in a common cold.

 

A 2012 University of Texas study concluded”

 

“These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.”
 

 

 

 

 

when ppl start dying of this I wouldn’t be surprised if they blamed the deaths on a new variant, so suckers would all be down to get more and more vaccines.

[F.M]

9 hours ago, lissenma said:

Covid death rates can't be trusted.
If the examination of a body shows that the patient has been covid infected then covid death rates will increase even though the death might not have been covid related.

not gonna lie but this is define tally true!! they mark everyone as dead by corona

[Diaz]

34 minutes ago, F.M said:

not gonna lie but this is define tally true!! they mark everyone as dead by corona

In the place where I live, it’s the opposite. 

[Syed.Dynasty]

1 hour ago, F.M said:

not gonna lie but this is define tally true!! they mark everyone as dead by corona

Same in where I am probably the same with Diaz as well but he’d prefer the left wing narrative to the right wing narrative 

[notme]

3 hours ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

 

A 2012 University of Texas study concluded”

Are you acknowledging that vaccines for this kind of virus have been in development for at least nine years and it is not something new and untested? 

[guest 2025]

I'd like to know one thing: Has a vaccine, or any medicine, fully come into effect over a year after initially being taken?

That is one of my main concerns with the vaccine, that there are side-effects that will rear their head in the long-term. Could somebody tell me if anything has done something like that whether it be for good or bad?

Though I am aware of the fact that these vaccines will not be a one-time thing. You'd probably have to take them every year.

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 4/23/2021 at 2:05 AM, Diaz said:

This is where we reach now, people are scared from the vaccine more than the virus itself. Promoting something without prove and evidence is so stupid. Spreading rumors in Islam is haram.

 

On 4/23/2021 at 8:13 AM, Syed.Dynasty said:

For AAV (anti anti vaxxer) people I suggest looking into remedies

Salam , After relesing Iranian vaccines  , The wahabists will join to Anti Vaxers becaause Iranian vaccines will spread Shia virus aroun the world.

On 4/23/2021 at 7:45 AM, notme said:

No extra limbs, no. But I've got a tail now. It's prehensile so I'm finding it very useful. I recommend everyone get one, but especially people who are parents of small children. 

It was an old slang Wahabists which Shias have tail.

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 4/23/2021 at 7:45 AM, notme said:

(I hope everyone realizes I was joking

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234935414-shiites-having-tails/

[F.M]

6 hours ago, guest 2025 said:

I'd like to know one thing: Has a vaccine, or any medicine, fully come into effect over a year after initially being taken?

That is one of my main concerns with the vaccine, that there are side-effects that will rear their head in the long-term. Could somebody tell me if anything has done something like that whether it be for good or bad?

Though I am aware of the fact that these vaccines will not be a one-time thing. You'd probably have to take them every year.

Duuuuuuuuh, a vaccine isnt going to be life long in youre body. we also discussed this previously somewhere.

a. normal flu vaccine is keeping you 24 weeks save after 1 or 2 weeks after you got the vaccine

a corona vaccine is much shorter, i forgot the total days but i know it was shorter then flu vaccine. 

[F.M]

8 hours ago, Diaz said:

In the place where I live, it’s the opposite. 

its eberywhere because its part of protocol too. the protocols are national. 

when  they have a feeling someone died of the virus, then they mark him as dead by corona, but this is never authentic, lots people didnt die of virus. daily we have that thousands of  people are dieying per day soo that doesnt mean its caused by the virus

Edited April 26, 2021 by F.M

[Allah Seeker]

I will NEVER take it in Sha Allah. 

I'm part of the control group in this world experiment. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, F.M said:

its eberywhere because its part of protocol too. the protocols are national

Salam in Iran we separate them from each other in Iran  for example when aunt of my father passed away due to Dyspnea few month ago , It's mentioned  clerly in her death certification  as death due problem in breathing but it was not due Covid .

[F.M]

media is just acting really dramatic. they show how thousands and more people are dieying and creamted. 

not realizing this is a normal thing. even in my country with population of 17 million we have on a normal day even out of corona that thousands people are dieying per day and that is normal. we humans are made to die on this world. 

now the world acts really stupid and shows only the cropped bad things. people die everywhere even in this second millions have just died on this world and not  even caused by corona. 

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by F.M

[Allah Seeker]

1 hour ago, F.M said:

media is just acting really dramatic. they show how thousands and more people are dieying and creamted. 

not realizing this is a normal thing. even in my country with population of 17 million we have on a normal day even out of corona that thousands people are dieying per day and that is normal. we humans are made to die on this world. 

now the world acts really stupid and shows only the cropped bad things. people die everywhere even in this second millions have just died on this world and not  even caused by corona. 

 

In many counties the death rates for the entire year of 2020 is less than other previous years, according to official figures apparently. There's websites for this, like worldometer? And also local official statistic websites. So riduculous. And they commit economic suicide as if it's the plague of the middle ages 

[Guest]

On 3/18/2021 at 3:07 PM, F.M said:

I guess you lack knowledge about immunity.. even tough you took the vaccine doesnt mean you cant spread the vaccine further.  this is not how immunity works, its youre own body that tries to recognize the virus and can possibly hold back to not getting the virus. (this is not always the case, it still happens that even tough people get vaccinated they get illl of the virus)

The vaccine is for yourself not for others. if the people in front of you didnt took the vaccine, and you did doesn't mean you can't infect that person (wearing masks,sanitizing, keeping distance is always important)

a vaccine is only to immunize yourself not others, thats why people who are risky are mostly taken it to prefent (not always the case, still possible to get the virus)

Sorry? What?? Can you explain this again because what you wrote is self contradictory does not make any sense. 

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

In many counties the death rates for the entire year of 2020 is less than other previous years, according to official figures apparently. There's websites for this, like worldometer? And also local official statistic websites. So riduculous. And they commit economic suicide as if it's the plague of the middle ages 

Share sources detailing the death rates. 

[Allah Seeker]

9 minutes ago, starlight said:

Share sources detailing the death rates. 

OK here an example from my birth country Austria with a relative strable population. 

According to the statistic here are statistics for Austria (because I am born there). 

In 2020 the deaths were 7000 more than 2019

However of you compare 2011 with 2017, you'll get the same increase. 

This death increase does not warrant those draconian measures on both social and economic levels, in my opinion. 

https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/298635/umfrage/oesterreich-anzahl-der-todesfaelle-seit-1945/

 

[F.M]

53 minutes ago, starlight said:

Sorry? What?? Can you explain this again because what you wrote is self contradictory does not make any sense. 

 

It may seem counterintuitive, but health officials say that even after you get vaccinated against COVID-19, you still need to practice the usual pandemic precautions, at least for a while. That means steering clear of crowds, continuing to wear a good mask in public, maintaining 6 feet or more of distance from people outside your household and frequently washing your hands. We talked to infectious disease specialists to get a better understanding of why.

Why do I have to continue with precautions after I've been vaccinated?

In the short run, it will take some time for the vaccine's effectiveness to build up. (Effectiveness is defined as not getting sick with COVID-19. If 100 vaccinated people are exposed to a virus and 50 of them subsequently develop symptoms, that vaccine is 50% effective.)

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People who have already been infected with SARS-CoV-2 should still get vaccinated unless told otherwise by their health care provider. Even if you’ve had a previous infection, the vaccine acts as a booster that strengthens the immune response. There have also been some instances of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 a second time, which makes getting vaccinated even more important.

Safe and effective vaccines are making a significant contribution to preventing severe disease and death from COVID-19. As vaccines are rolling out and immunity is building, it is important to continue to follow all of the recommended measures that reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2. This includes physically distancing yourself from others; wearing a mask, especially in crowded and poorly ventilated settings; cleaning your hands frequently; covering any cough or sneeze in your bent elbow; and opening windows when indoors.

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When You’ve Been Fully Vaccinated

COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting you from getting sick. Based on what we know about COVID-19 vaccines, people who have been fully vaccinated can start to do some things that they had stopped doing because of the pandemic.

We’re still learning how vaccines will affect the spread of COVID-19. After you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should keep taking precautions—like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, and avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces—in public places until we know more.

These recommendations can help you make decisions about daily activities after you are fully vaccinated. They are not intended for healthcare settings.

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 then why is it still important to adhere to the corona rules ??? then why is it still important even if you got vaccinated to wear masks and taking precautions?? a vaccine is for yourself not for others

Edited April 26, 2021 by F.M

[F.M]

If You’ve Been Fully Vaccinated

 

You Can

Visit inside a home or private setting without a mask with other fully vaccinated people of any age

Visit inside a home or private setting without a mask with one household of unvaccinated people who are not at risk for severe illness

Travel domestically without a pre- or post-travel test

Travel domestically without quarantining after travel

Travel internationally without a pre-travel test depending on destination

Travel internationally without quarantining after travel

You Shouldn't

Visit indoors, without a mask, with people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19

Attend medium or large gatherings

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so basically it looks like you are getting forced to take the vaccin.. but still you should follow the procautions?????.....seriously this is something that sounds contradicting 

Edited April 26, 2021 by F.M

[F.M]

4 hours ago, F.M said:

media is just acting really dramatic. they show how thousands and more people are dieying and creamted. 

 

i can really relate to this and approve this meme, to be honest. it's not that dramatically as what media shows

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

However of you compare 2011 with 2017, you'll get the same increase. 

This death increase does not warrant those draconian measures on both social and economic levels, in my opinion. 

Really? It has been pretty stable from 2016-19 and then went up by 7% in 2020. 

So, to support your previous claims that death rate in many countries is has been less in 2020, you bring up statistics of ONE country and that too shows an increased death rate? 

[Guest]

@F.M Don't give me memes, don't give me long copy/pastes. Explain what you wrote and how it wasn't self contradictory. Since you say you have a more than layman's knowledge of immunology so you should be able to explain what you wrote above there.

[F.M]

1 minute ago, starlight said:

@F.M Don't give me memes, don't give me long copy/pastes. Explain what you wrote and how it wasn't self contradictory. Since you say you have a more than layman's knowledge of immunology so you should be able to explain what you wrote above there.

i was talking as what i said above. i also explained it even before. at the same way you find a old message from me from march you can also find the answers i also sended back then.

and the memes werent for you. 

 

[F.M]

11 minutes ago, starlight said:

Really? It has been pretty stable from 2016-19 and then went up by 7% in 2020. 

So, to support your previous claims that death rate in many countries is has been less in 2020, you bring up statistics of ONE country and that too shows an increased death rate? 

World - Historical Death Rate Data
Year	Death Rate	Growth Rate
2021	7.645	0.430%
2020	7.612	0.440%
2019	7.579	0.440%
2018	7.546	-0.320%
2017	7.570	-0.320%
2016	7.594	-0.330%
2015	7.619	-0.310%
2014	7.643	-0.310%
2013	7.667	-0.980%
2012	7.743	-0.960%
2011	7.818	-0.960%
2010	7.894	-0.940%
2009	7.969	-0.940%
2008	8.045	-1.010%
2007	8.127	-1.000%
2006	8.209	-0.980%
2005	8.290	-0.980%
2004	8.372	-0.970%
2003	8.454	-0.750%
2002	8.518	-0.760%
2001	8.583	-0.740%
2000	8.647	-0.750%
1999	8.712	-0.730%
1998	8.776	-0.750%
1997	8.842	-0.740%
1996	8.908	-0.740%
1995	8.974	-0.730%
1994	9.040	-0.720%
1993	9.106	-0.810%
1992	9.180	-0.810%
1991	9.255	-0.790%
1990	9.329	-0.800%
1989	9.404	-0.780%
1988	9.478	-1.180%
1987	9.591	-1.150%
1986	9.703	-1.150%
1985	9.816	-1.130%
1984	9.928	-1.130%
1983	10.041	-1.400%
1982	10.184	-1.380%
1981	10.327	-1.360%
1980	10.469	-1.350%
1979	10.612	-1.330%
1978	10.755	-2.240%
1977	11.001	-2.180%
1976	11.246	-2.140%
1975	11.492	-2.090%
1974	11.737	-2.050%
1973	11.983	-2.480%
1972	12.288	-2.420%
1971	12.593	-2.360%
1970	12.898	-2.310%
1969	13.203	-2.260%
1968	13.508	-3.710%
1967	14.029	-3.580%
1966	14.550	-3.450%
1965	15.070	-3.340%
1964	15.591	-3.230%
1963	16.112	-1.560%
1962	16.367	-1.530%
1961	16.621	-1.510%
1960	16.876	-1.480%
1959	17.130	-1.470%
1958	17.385	-1.950%
1957	17.731	-1.910%
1956	18.076	-1.880%
1955	18.422	-1.840%
1954	18.767	-1.810%
1953	19.113	-1.780%
1952	19.459	-1.740%
1951	19.804	-1.720%
1950	20.150	0.000%

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/WLD/world/death-rate

you should also know that back then the population wasnt 8billion but even less then 5 billion, 

so if you look at 2020 its almost same as previous years

Edited April 26, 2021 by F.M

[Guest]

1 minute ago, F.M said:

i was talking as what i said above. i also explained it even before. at the same way you find a old message from me from march you can also find the answers i also sended back then.

and the memes werent for you. 

 

I haven't found any messages from you, (don't know what you are talking about here)

So basically what you have done here is wrote something that made no sense and when asked to explain you couldn't.

This is settled. 

[F.M]

 

Just now, starlight said:

I haven't found any messages from you, (don't know what you are talking about here)

So basically what you have done here is wrote something that made no sense and when asked to explain you couldn't.

This is settled. 

i explained it soo many times, 

i said even if you took the vaccine you still can transmit it to others. 

i have known also lots people even tough they got vaccinated they got ill of corona. this also happened at my school how even this caused that the virus got mutated. 

maybe you cant find the messages back because someone deleted them?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, F.M said:

you should also know that back then the population wasnt 8billion but even less then 5 billion, 

First decide whether you are going to use Austria as evidence or the whole world and stick to that to be consistent. 

[F.M]

3 minutes ago, starlight said:

First decide whether you are going to use Austria as evidence or the whole world and stick to that to be consistent. 

i didnt send austria but rather the whole world population. 

Edited April 26, 2021 by F.M

[Allah Seeker]

47 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

OK here an example from my birth country Austria with a relative strable population. 

According to the statistic here are statistics for Austria (because I am born there). 

In 2020 the deaths were 7000 more than 2019

However of you compare 2011 with 2017, you'll get the same increase. 

This death increase does not warrant those draconian measures on both social and economic levels, in my opinion. 

https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/298635/umfrage/oesterreich-anzahl-der-todesfaelle-seit-1945/

 

I would just like to add to my post that it is a fact for me (as it seems everyone's facts are different), that depression and isolation causes deaths. That's the definition of psychosomatic disease. Especially for the aging population that was suddenly locked down and forced to stay at home, surely some died because of that. The lockdown has its victims, and I consider them martyrs. 

So that should be accounted for and those people should be prayed for. Also those older people in lockdown right now, lonely and depressed. Even people were stopped from visiting their parents in elder homes. Another reason for depression and psychosomatic attacks. 

[Allah Seeker]

15 minutes ago, starlight said:

Really? It has been pretty stable from 2016-19 and then went up by 7% in 2020. 

So, to support your previous claims that death rate in many countries is has been less in 2020, you bring up statistics of ONE country and that too shows an increased death rate? 

It went up a bit more than usual, but if you look, it always goes up. This could also be attributed to the influx of migrants across oden borders with the current socialist government, that increases numbers of registered and unregistered populations. Add to this the psychosomatic victims, and we hardly have the "exponential growth" of deaths that you were promoting last year. 

So what happened to the exponential increase in deaths? 

And anyway, a few more people died, so you break the livelihood of the entire people, and take away their freedoms to even hug your brother on the street? And ban anybody saying anything against those measures in social media and TV? Thank God in some European parliaments, they are allowed to debate this freely.