Are you going to take the vaccine?

[Sirius_Bright]

15 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

The vaccines only claim to protect against covid 19 infections and not any other variant. They don’t fight the infection and your gonna need a new one every time a new variant comes out. 

I literally don't have words to reply to your conjecture. Just see what is happening in India. What this virus can do along with incompetence of government. Long term side effect of this vaccine is NOT PROVEN. There are no remedies at this time to prevent infection. 

18 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

You not knowing the long term effects but claiming it’s the best option is all conjecture.

You not knowing the long term effects but claiming it’s the dangerous is all conjecture.

[Sirius_Bright]

4 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Just see what is happening in India. What this virus can do along with incompetence of government.

Just sharing one tweet. There are literally thousands of these. 

Pakistan should be prepared for the surge in 1-2 months to avoid disaster. 

[starlight]

1 hour ago, F.M said:

less than 2% death rate. a normal flu is even more harsh. the thing s only that is spread fast, but still death rate is less then 2%

millions of people are also dieying of other reasons, including suicide,depression, being poor, homeless.

its not untrustworthy because its straight from the government. 

Was thinking, it must be really nice and blissful being you.Not having images of people dying in the streets after being dyspenic for hours without oxygen in your head, not having to go for condolence to two colleagues yesterday, both of who passed the infection the their parents resulting in both fathers passing away, not having to help transport a friend's father to the ICU after he collapsed with 87% SpO2, not having to hear of eight deaths in close social circle in the last two days, not seeing two floors of a hospital being converted to COVID units overnight, not seeing hospitals run out of CPAP machines and oxygen cylinders, must be so calm and peaceful being you.

Anyway, here is video of this something 'which is less harsh than a flu'. Enjoy,

 

 

[Diaz]

On 4/14/2021 at 6:42 PM, SoRoUsH said:

سلام

Is there any scholar or marja' that has advised against taking the COVID vaccine? 

As far as I know, most scholars are encouraging their followers to get the vaccine. Correct? 

Has any marja claimed that it's either Mustahab or compulsory to get the vaccine? 

Thank you

Salam brother, just wanted to know if ur questions are answered or still? 

[F.M]

1 hour ago, starlight said:

Was thinking, it must be really nice and blissful being you.Not having images of people dying in the streets after being dyspenic for hours without oxygen in your head, not having to go for condolence to two colleagues yesterday, both of who passed the infection the their parents resulting in both fathers passing away, not having to help transport a friend's father to the ICU after he collapsed with 87% SpO2, not having to hear of eight deaths in close social circle in the last two days, not seeing two floors of a hospital being converted to COVID units overnight, not seeing hospitals run out of CPAP machines and oxygen cylinders, must be so calm and peaceful being you.

Anyway, here is video of this something 'which is less harsh than a flu'. Enjoy

Nope i see such patients daily, and i am comming from a whole docotr familly. Truth is hard we are made to die. 

[F.M]

 

2 hours ago, starlight said:

Was thinking, it must be really nice and blissful being you.Not having images of people dying in the streets after being dyspenic for hours without oxygen in your head, not having to go for condolence to two colleagues yesterday, both of who passed the infection the their parents resulting in both fathers passing away, not having to help transport a friend's father to the ICU after he collapsed with 87% SpO2, not having to hear of eight deaths in close social circle in the last two days, not seeing two floors of a hospital being converted to COVID units overnight, not seeing hospitals run out of CPAP machines and oxygen cylinders, must be so calm and peaceful being you.

Anyway, here is video of this something 'which is less harsh than a flu'. Enjoy,

Also lets not forget that only the people who have risk are getting oxygen less than 2% die. Others do recover. Even without covid these people got risk to get oxygen even from a normal flu. Or even possible when they got infection and it entered their lungs. Same would happened. 

Btw i am a nurse and we treat them NOT the doctors, the docotrs are only sitting in their offices. So i know really well how many people die. 

Dont act that in this time peoplr only die of corona. Thats not the case at all. Still less then 2%die worldeide and as what i have said previously, they would defunetelly ended up with oxygen even if they got a infection or a cold or bactery which intered their kungs, corna isnt that special

Edited April 24, 2021 by F.M

[BlueInk]

11 hours ago, pisceswolf96 said:

Leading it quite nicely into its eventual downfall

Not truthful. There is a reason why there must be a separation of church and state, and it took Europe more than 1200 years to learn this lesson and it is quite stupid for us to disregard their experience. Politics pollute religion and religion is used to advance oneself in politics and can be used by Evil men to control entire nations. If you disagree with this then you're disagreeing with Sistani (who called for a secular state) and most of the quietest Shia movement beliefs. There can never be a Religious state unless it was ran by an infallible and so while we are waiting for Mahdi we should separate religion from state unless you're fine with the destruction of Islam and encourage it.

Nope. My previous post was clear and I agree with Khamenei on this one.

So Sistani is quite ignorant on this one, right?

There has been a lot of self reports from women about their irregular periods, unexplained bleeding and shedding, as well as, miscarriages. You can check most of these here.

Khamenei is the chosen successor of the first leader of the revolution. He is the one who used the system and did something for Aale Muhammad with it. It is not perfect, but it has brought the affair of the Imam to the forefront to millions of people.

Sistani surrendered Iraq to the pope, who is an agent of Iblis. It’s clear he won’t use his status to fight against a future incursion by foreign invaders again.

Politics is used to pollute religion in the secular world. Not that it doesn’t happen in theocracies, but to think that we should follow in the footsteps of atheist and pagan societies is an insane proposition. They only gained their technological advantages over the muslim world after muslim empires were no longer a major threat.

now you will say that the clergy of muslim states were the reason they fell into decadence and waste, but can you really argue they were for Islam to begin with? You can not dismiss allegations of the highest ranks of, for example, the Ottoman leadership being highly degreed freemasons.

Some may have even been part of other Luciferian cults. It does not appear so far fetched that kuffar poss as Muslims, intentionally use the deen in an incompetent and outwardly unwieldy manner, destroy the image in the minds of the gullible public, then popularize secularism after decades of misery in a so-called Islam state. 

Additionally, you assume Islam is currently being destroyed. It is already destroyed as of Karbala. Imam’s sacrifice saved the message for those who wish to be sincere and will take action for their imam. 
 

Islam cannot and will not exist in this world. Everyone already worships Iblis. Iran is only a blip on the Ummayad screen. To take away power from the religious heads and turn it into a secular state is to strip the last line of defense for the Imam—which is already in the process of occurring. With COVID hysteria, with other major tests, with the reality of this society we live in. They don’t talk about it. Or they don’t know about it. It’s all the same, over and over—it’s understandable that they’re not going to come out directly and talk about it when it comes to those who do know; but for the the majority, they don’t know or don’t care.

The European wars of religion are constant reminders of the image of Christianity being butchered, a false paganized religion would obviously be used as a tool for such an aim as to incline the middle and upper classes with the idea of separation of church and state.

If you’re a Shia or a Muslim of any kind, to believe in secularism is a laughable character flaw at best, fatal error in ones imaan at best. 

the vaccine is a tool of control. It’s a bioweapon in and of itself, apart from the viral issue. Khamenei has to play the game as well. 

Edited April 24, 2021 by BlueInk

[Berber-Shia]

On 4/22/2021 at 7:57 PM, Sirius_Bright said:

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Sayyed Ali Sistani:

Question 1: Vaccines against Coronavirus have already been manufactured by Pfizer, AstraZeneca & Moderna, and others are expected, or already on the market. The medical authorities of several countries have approved these vaccines and authorised mass vaccination programmes, despite some side effects. Some muqallideen are apprehensive about the vaccines’ 
potential side effects, as the testing & approval processes were expedited by the authorities, given the urgency of the pandemic. Some ethnic groups, based on previous negative experiences with mass vaccination programmes, are sceptical about these vaccines, although no serious side-effects have been observed in most cases. In such circumstances, what does His Eminence advise?

Answer 1: In such circumstances, it is appropriate to rely on the advice given by experienced medical experts. As per Shari’ah, it is mandatory to use an approved vaccine in a situation when the probability of suffering from the Coronavirus infection, with its potentially life threatening and/or serious untreatable complications, far outweigh the probable serious side effects of getting vaccinated.

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.world-federation.org/sites/default/files/Religious_Vaccine_QnA_29Dec2020_Final.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_4J_Ds5LwAhWryjgGHXd4CqkQFjAEegQIDRAC&usg=AOvVaw1Ru6zhbh9wDSbTeC4hEIOS

Awesome answer from the Sayyed that should solve all mashallah.

Following this logic old people and/or people with co-morbities should take the vaccines as the risk to die from covid far outweighs the risk from the vaccines.

As for a 22 year old like me, who's had covid and has a 0.0001% chance die of it, I will not be taking any vaccine as trials are still ongoing and risks are not established yet.

[starlight]

33 minutes ago, F.M said:

Nope i see such patients daily, and i am comming from a whole docotr familly. Truth is hard we are made to die. 

And then you say COVID is less harsh than a regular flu. Ajeeb.

[F.M]

16 minutes ago, starlight said:

And then you say COVID is less harsh than a regular flu. Ajeeb.

Covid can enter the lungs. Soo yes people who are risky. Can have it hard, but same would have happened with them if they got a simple bacteria that entered their lungs, or other ilness. 

The thing is it spread faster  but if normal flu also spread that fast it would be much more deadly. Many older people above 65 or 70 years which i know got corona too but they are fine. 

Edited April 24, 2021 by F.M

[Allah Seeker]

41 minutes ago, F.M said:

Covid can enter the lungs. Soo yes people who are risky. Can have it hard, but same would have happened with them if they got a simple bacteria that entered their lungs, or other ilness. 

The thing is it spread faster  but if normal flu also spread that fast it would be much more deadly. Many older people above 65 or 70 years which i know got corona too but they are fine. 

Yes my father in law got it and all he had was loss of taste for a few days. 

[BlueInk]

57 minutes ago, starlight said:

And then you say COVID is less harsh than a regular flu. Ajeeb.

Huh. 
 

But you also said mRNA alterations can also give/induce in a person diabetes, cancer, etc?

Ajeeb Che bhai. Wossup wit it sista?

 

Brothers and Sisters: You are all urged to seriously question whether this COVID vaccine is truly in your best interests.

Look at the bigger picture. 
 

Dystopian, authoritarian world building towards governing one’s mind and body increasing around the dunya? Check.

 

Media hysteria, beyond the usual? Check.

 

A conspiracy (not a conspiracy theory, mind you) to change the workings of your cells, to inject into you something the US Mjlitary/DARPA, has had keen interest in developing for literal possession ops not requiring the surgical installation of brain chips?Check.

An attempt by the usual suspects to promote and keep up the status quo of a Sufyani society? Check.

Governments who are staffed by, and working with private individuals aiming for global depopulation and authoritarianism, along with the destruction of whatever remnants of Islam exist today? Check.

 

Said governments suddenly lockdown to “halt the spread” of virus less lethal than the common flu? (the aim was to actually destroy the economies and push people further into poverty, to keep prices high, and to prevent the circulation of goods and services to whatever degree) Check.

 

said government now suddenly cares about you and wants you to get vaccinated to do anything? Check.

 

Dear reader, you cannot seriously take this now that you also see how conveniently things happen one after the other. They are not mere byproducts of a hasty response.

they were calculated objectives achieved with calculated responses.

What will you tell Allah on Qiyamat when asked about what you did when the kuffar tried to allow Dajjal to speak directly to them?

 

 

 

Edited April 24, 2021 by BlueInk

[SoRoUsH]

3 hours ago, Diaz said:

Salam brother, just wanted to know if ur questions are answered or still? 

Salam, 

I think so. 

As far as I can tell only the majority of scholars are encouraging us to get vaccinated, which is great.

 

[Berber-Shia]

5 minutes ago, SoRoUsH said:

As far as I can tell only the majority of scholars are encouraging us to get vaccinated, which is great.

IF their risks don't outweigh the risk of COVID. Important to note ;)

[Gaius I. Caesar]

On 4/22/2021 at 1:53 PM, Sirius_Bright said:

If you say US and UK are using people as lab rats then this is true for every vaccine including one made in Iran. No one got enough time for stringent and long trials. I don't know why Sayed Khamenei would call it untrustworthy when the same vaccine is used by US and UK for their people and they are doing mostly fine.

Because of politics, naturally the "Great Satan" would have "untrustworthy" vaccines. Like you, I didn't listen to him, he gave no legitimate religious reason for avoiding the vaccine. Got my vaccine today, barely hurt and no side effects, sounds like a bunch of fear-mongering.

[justAnothermuslim]

23 hours ago, Allah Seeker said:

A year ago people on this forum were mocking me for saying deaths aren't exponential, as if I dont understand basic mathematics. 

Turns out I was right after all! Alhamdulilah

If it was truly exponential, by now not a single person would be alive now. A bunch of lies and scare tactics. 

I tend to agree. Last year, there was a video showing a chinese lady literally dropped dead on a street. A few days ago, there was a picture of an indian man with an oxygen tank.

Survival rate for covid19 is 99.78%, according to some study. This means, the death rate is only 0.22%, which is almost 10 times lower than the 2% quoted.

Just found out,  26,703 people die in India daily.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-die-in-India-every-day?share=1

covid death on April 24, 2021 (Last updated: April 24, 2021, 22:11 GMT) = 2,760.

So, 2,760 from 26,703 is 10.34 %.

I found the top 10 killer diseases in India.

https://life.futuregenerali.in/life-insurance-made-simple/cancer-heart-critical-illness-insurance/what-is-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-india

Rank	Cause of Death	% of Total Deaths (Ages 25-69)
1	Cardiovascular Diseases	24.8
2	Respiratory Diseases	10.2
3	Tuberculosis	10.1
4	Malignant and Other Tumours	9.4
5	Ill-Defined Conditions	5.3
6	Digestive Diseases	5.1
7	Diarrhoeal Diseases	5.0
8	Unintentional Injuries	4.6
9	Intentional Self-Harm	3.0
10	Malaria	2.8

 

However, the big question is: How to account for 5xx,xxx covid deaths in US?

There’s a possible explanation for it in the link “18 reasons….” I’ve quoted before ie the rule for writing death certificate has been changed, is one of them.

Like you said, this covid thing is becoming more like a sunni-shia divide :-(

[pisceswolf96]

10 hours ago, BlueInk said:

Khamenei is the chosen successor of the first leader of the revolution. He is the one who used the system and did something for Aale Muhammad with it. It is not perfect, but it has brought the affair of the Imam to the forefront to millions of people.

Chosen by whom exactly? Do the Iranian vote every 4 years to keep Khamenei or is here there forever? He was chosen by an elite group not the Iranian so please don't kid yourself.

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Sistani surrendered Iraq to the pope, who is an agent of Iblis. It’s clear he won’t use his status to fight against a future incursion by foreign invaders again.

First of all extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. Second of all even Imam Hassan and all of the Imams after him (excluding Hussain) didn't engage in wars because they knew that they didn't have the resources at all. If Sistani just pushes Shia into constant wars then he will be responsible for all of the innocent and unnecessary deaths. All the Imams (excluding Ali) stayed away from politics as much as possible and Khomeini/Khamenei are not better than any Imam.

Khomeini/Khamenei on the other hand are nothing but politicians masquerading as religious scholars (They remind of the Pope in the dark ages controlling and waging wars in western Europe). If Iran liberate just a cm of occupied Shia land (Golan heights or Shabba farms) then I would believe that their intentions of liberating Palestine are genuine, otherwise it is not different at all than Saddam using the Palestinian cause. 

 

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Politics is used to pollute religion in the secular world. Not that it doesn’t happen in theocracies,

Wrong. Politics was played as the Prophet was drawing his last breaths as Abu Bakr was chosen as a Caliph and it was continued up to our modern days. The Abbasid particularly played this nasty game really well claiming revenge for the Prophets family to gain control.

 

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but to think that we should follow in the footsteps of atheist and pagan societies is an insane proposition. They only gained their technological advantages over the muslim world after muslim empires were no longer a major threat.

Wrong. They started their renaissance while the Ottoman empire was at its strongest, having just invaded Constantinople putting an end to the Roman Empire. Europe experienced its renaissance due to the rediscovery of Greco-Roman culture and books after they were moved by Priests from the fallen Constantinople to Rome. It's quite funny that the Pagan books that kickstarted the Islamic golden age (especially Plato & Aristotle) were the same books that kickstarted the renaissance.

 

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now you will say that the clergy of muslim states were the reason they fell into decadence and waste, but can you really argue they were for Islam to begin with? You can not dismiss allegations of the highest ranks of, for example, the Ottoman leadership being highly degreed freemasons.

It's not true Islam, true. And that's why I say that Khomeini/Khamenei are politicians using Islam as a way to gain power, wealth, and control.

 

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Some may have even been part of other Luciferian cults. It does not appear so far fetched that kuffar poss as Muslims, intentionally use the deen in an incompetent and outwardly unwieldy manner, destroy the image in the minds of the gullible public, then popularize secularism after decades of misery in a so-called Islam state.

Yes absolutely. But did God claim that Iran is a true Islamic state? Did we get the opinion of the Imams? Or are we ought to believe that just because Khomeini said so?

And speaking of cults, Khomeini has a cult of personality. I was appalled when I saw people here in SC putting (رضي الله عنه) after his name. They don't even abbreviate it as رض

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Additionally, you assume Islam is currently being destroyed. It is already destroyed as of Karbala. Imam’s sacrifice saved the message for those who wish to be sincere and will take action for their imam

Islam cannot and will not exist in this world. Everyone already worships Iblis. Iran is only a blip on the Ummayad screen. To take away power from the religious heads and turn it into a secular state is to strip the last line of defense for the Imam—which is already in the process of occurring. With COVID hysteria, with other major tests, with the reality of this society we live in. They don’t talk about it. Or they don’t know about it. It’s all the same, over and over—it’s understandable that they’re not going to come out directly and talk about it when it comes to those who do know; but for the the majority, they don’t know or don’t care.

Islam is being destroyed. Otherwise what's the point of Mahdi exactly?

Again who says that Iran is an Islamic state? It is simply an Islamo-Fascist state ruled by the iron fist of Khamenei

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The European wars of religion are constant reminders of the image of Christianity being butchered, a false paganized religion would obviously be used as a tool for such an aim as to incline the middle and upper classes with the idea of separation of church and state.

The wars was not only religious, they are mainly ethnic. If you study the history of the Roman Empire you would see that those ethnic groups were always at war even before christianity appeared

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If you’re a Shia or a Muslim of any kind, to believe in secularism is a laughable character flaw at best, fatal error in ones imaan at best. 

Secularism is the best tool we have until the Imam re-appears and show us what true Islam is. Otherwise we will be slaves to the likes of Khomeini/Khamenei wielding insane amounts of power over multiple states brining nothing but destruction and misery. 

Edited April 25, 2021 by pisceswolf96

[Gaius I. Caesar]

I got the Moderna vaccine today, currently no ill effects; the proceedure was less than 3 to 5 seconds. I didn't feel any pain during the injection. I am to get the second dose in a month from now. Seeing as one of my family members got COVID and was seriously ill, I would advise anyone to consider the vaccine. This isn't a simple cold, you're not going to cure COVID-19 with a nice, piping hot cup of qarshi johan joshnda, maaf karo. If such cures were effective, there wouldn't be a pandemic in the first place.  

[Don'tMakeAس]

21 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam he just has stated his opinion  & has not made a Fatwa which his statement  was based previous  vicious  plans of westerners  against  Iran like spreading  AIDS between Iranian hemophiliac through  contanimated blood products by France , also his statement  is about Iran not rest of shia world whih he also stated that if we find a reliable  source for vaccines  by expert then we buy it from these source before ending test trials of Iranian  vaccines so you are free to use any vaccine  for yourself  which safety is not guaranteed for these vaccines  .

at least homegrown  vaccines  even with mrna technology  will be safe for Iranians also trials of all types of Iranian  vaccines on volunteers  had not any side effects .

This topic has very much been derailed, but in answering OP's question, ^ this needs to be emphasized.

Sayyid Khāminiʼī's statement, too, is not a fatwā (though I'm not surprised that the Orientalist reporting on this in Western news sources would elide the difference between a fatwā and a decree specific to the operations of the Iranian government), and his justifications behind it pretty clearly relate to Iran's relations/historical experiences with the states now producing the particular vaccines that he discussed. I have no idea how this ruling could be extrapolated to apply to Sayyid Khāminiʼī's followers in Western countries who are receiving the same vaccines domestically that their non-Muslim neighbours are, and I've yet to see any fatwā from him to this effect.

The discussion over the last few pages about biological experimentation and the speed with which vaccine trials have occurred is by and large irrelevant to scholars' statements on vaccines. Iran has already administered 700,000 vaccines and just purchased 60 million more from countries its government is friendly with (and thus doesn't have any reason to fear biological warfare from).

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/iran-to-purchase-60m-russian-vaccines-as-coronavirus-surges-1.5389677

 

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“Imports of US and British vaccines into the country are forbidden. I have told this to officials and I’m saying it publicly now."

“Given our experience with France’s HIV-tainted blood supplies, French vaccines aren’t trustworthy either,” Khamenei said, referring to the country’s contaminated blood scandal of the 1980s and 1990s.

 

[Don'tMakeAس]

3 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Because of politics, naturally the "Great Satan" would have "untrustworthy" vaccines. Like you, I didn't listen to him, he gave no legitimate religious reason for avoiding the vaccine. Got my vaccine today, barely hurt and no side effects, sounds like a bunch of fear-mongering.

You can choose to analyze Sayyid Khāminiʼī's statements through this lens if you want, but it's easy to forget that we're only a year removed from Qāsem Soleimānī's assassination and three years removed from the United States' unilateral withdrawal from the Iran deal (which Iran bent over backwards to get across the line). I find it very, very hard to imagine Sayyid Khāminiʼī being able to credibly say these sort of things or cast these sorts of aspersions at the West given where Iran-USA relations were immediately after the JCPOA was negotiated in 2015.

It's easy to point fingers abroad and accuse people in the Islamic world of being irrational, but our politicians here are just as culpable of creating this climate of mutual distrust.

[AStruggler]

13 hours ago, Berber-Shia said:

Awesome answer from the Sayyed that should solve all mashallah.

Following this logic old people and/or people with co-morbities should take the vaccines as the risk to die from covid far outweighs the risk from the vaccines.

As for a 22 year old like me, who's had covid and has a 0.0001% chance die of it, I will not be taking any vaccine as trials are still ongoing and risks are not established yet.

Bulls eye! I've been contemplating about this vaccine a lot too and I greatly empathize with your stance. Personally I'm not really too much for it but at the same time I don't feel it's right for me to tell certain others, for example, my elders, to not take it.

As you express, I think it's a very case by case situation. One needs to weigh the pros and cons and take into account several variables such as age, one's level of social distancing, current health status, and other factors, and then take the leap of faith towards whichever side seems  to be the most appropriate. May Allah guide us. 

I agree with you, those who are elderly and more biologically vulnerable, should probably say Bismillah and take it, for God forbid the risks of negative outcomes for them outweighs the risks associated with not taking it.

I feel your stance here is the moderate stance and is also in harmony with Sayyid Sistani's statements. 

[AStruggler]

As for Sayyid Khamenei's statements, someone correct me with evidence if I'm wrong, but I feel what he said is being misused. I don't think he made an absolute statement for the whole world to act on, I think he was speaking from a political perspective, from the point of view of the leader of Iran, in the interest of his country, based on his country's relations with the rest of the world. If I was him I would probably also not want to trust vaccines which I would receive from my enemies.

MashaAllah for them though, that they're own vaccines are in the making. 

As for people who're normal citizens of their countries who would recieve the same vaccines given to everyone else in their country, the matter is different.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

7 hours ago, Don'tMakeAس said:

You can choose to analyze Sayyid Khāminiʼī's statements through this lens if you want, but it's easy to forget that we're only a year removed from Qāsem Soleimānī's assassination and three years removed from the United States' unilateral withdrawal from the Iran deal (which Iran bent over backwards to get across the line).

Still, this does not excuse the Sayyid saying "don't get the vaccine because the West is evil", that is a political statement in an area that should never been politicized in the first place.

[Diaz]

So in the end we see that no Marja gave fatwa about COVID vaccine saying we shouldn’t take it. Sayid khamenei was talking about forbidding USA and European vaccine as a leader of Iran not as a Marja. Plus Iran are making their own vaccine AND they purchase vaccine from Russia, that means sayid khamenei is encouraging his people to get the vaccine. 

[lissenma]

On 4/24/2021 at 12:36 PM, F.M said:

less than 2% death rate. a normal flu is even more harsh. the thing s only that is spread fast, but still death rate is less then 2%

millions of people are also dieying of other reasons, including suicide,depression, being poor, homeless.

its not untrustworthy because its straight from the government. 

Covid death rates can't be trusted.
If the examination of a body shows that the patient has been covid infected then covid death rates will increase even though the death might not have been covid related.
 

[lissenma]

2 hours ago, Diaz said:

AND they purchase vaccine from Russia, that means sayid khamenei is encouraging his people to get the vaccine. 

Khamenei is not health minister. Where's the source that he encouraged people to get the vaccine. Being silent doesn't mean approval.

[Diaz]

37 minutes ago, lissenma said:

Where's the source that he encouraged people to get the vaccine.

Now we need a source for this as well? XD Iran are creating their own vaccine, why? Why did they purchase 60 million vaccine from Russia? 

[Abu_Zahra]

To keep it simple, those who believe it's all a big conspiracy and that the vaccine is evil simply shouldn't take it.

The rest of us will inshaAllah try and protect our own lives and those of others around us with the best option that is available to us.

With time the results will take care of themselves.

[Allah Seeker]

1 minute ago, Mahdavist said:

To keep it simple, those who believe it's all a big conspiracy and that the vaccine is evil simply shouldn't take it.

The rest of us will inshaAllah try and protect our own lives and those of others around us with the best option that is available to us.

With time the results will take care of themselves.

Both sides believe that they are protecting their lives and those around them.

It's just that one side trusts the untested substance, as well as the bankers, financiers, and media controllers of behind it, while the other side doesn't. 

You are right that we should wait and see. Soon we will know inshaAllah. 

[Diaz]

19 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

Both sides believe that they are protecting their lives and those around them.

It's just that one side trusts the untested substance, as well as the bankers, financiers, and media controllers of behind it, while the other side doesn't. 

You are right that we should wait and see. Soon we will know inshaAllah. 

Salam, just don’t forget to wear ur mask, keep ur distance from strangers and wash ur hands frequently. 

[Allah Seeker]

21 minutes ago, Diaz said:

Salam, just don’t forget to wear ur mask, keep ur distance from strangers and wash ur hands frequently. 

Nah, the masks don't have proof, if you have some please share. (I've only seen compelling arguments against them actually) 

Keep distance, maybe, but that's always a good idea with some people. 

Wash hands? That's always good, regardless of Corona. 

[Berber-Shia]

Still collecting info but this is a good start.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uS4krGJX-7sa8fuRlH7mhod-Xa5ZBsXU/view

For those that are really interested. ;)

 

Edited April 25, 2021 by Berber-Shia

[Berber-Shia]

3 minutes ago, Berber-Shia said:

Still collecting info but this is a good start.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uS4krGJX-7sa8fuRlH7mhod-Xa5ZBsXU/view

For those that are really interested. ;)

And for those that say that the number of deaths only represent a very small percentage of those vaccinated:

• True. But these are official deaths caused by the vaccines on people that are generally not 85+ years old and have no co-morbities.
• Secondly, most if not all of these vaccines require multiple if not regular (perpetual) doses to be taken. And many of these deaths occur after the first shot, so imagine the deaths after the second or third.  

[Bakir]

16 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

I got the Moderna vaccine today, currently no ill effects; the proceedure was less than 3 to 5 seconds. I didn't feel any pain during the injection. I am to get the second dose in a month from now. Seeing as one of my family members got COVID and was seriously ill, I would advise anyone to consider the vaccine. This isn't a simple cold, you're not going to cure COVID-19 with a nice, piping hot cup of qarshi johan joshnda, maaf karo. If such cures were effective, there wouldn't be a pandemic in the first place.  

Happy to hear you got the vaccinated!

We're still waiting here for the Astrazeneca one. Some teachers already got the second one but others like myself are still on queue for the first one :(.

[BlueInk]

16 hours ago, pisceswolf96 said:

Chosen by whom exactly? Do the Iranian vote every 4 years to keep Khamenei or is here there forever? He was chosen by an elite group not the Iranian so please don't kid yourself.

First of all extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. Second of all even Imam Hassan and all of the Imams after him (excluding Hussain) didn't engage in wars because they knew that they didn't have the resources at all. If Sistani just pushes Shia into constant wars then he will be responsible for all of the innocent and unnecessary deaths. All the Imams (excluding Ali) stayed away from politics as much as possible and Khomeini/Khamenei are not better than any Imam.

Khomeini/Khamenei on the other hand are nothing but politicians masquerading as religious scholars (They remind of the Pope in the dark ages controlling and waging wars in western Europe). If Iran liberate just a cm of occupied Shia land (Golan heights or Shabba farms) then I would believe that their intentions of liberating Palestine are genuine, otherwise it is not different at all than Saddam using the Palestinian cause. 

 

Wrong. Politics was played as the Prophet was drawing his last breaths as Abu Bakr was chosen as a Caliph and it was continued up to our modern days. The Abbasid particularly played this nasty game really well claiming revenge for the Prophets family to gain control.

 

Wrong. They started their renaissance while the Ottoman empire was at its strongest, having just invaded Constantinople putting an end to the Roman Empire. Europe experienced its renaissance due to the rediscovery of Greco-Roman culture and books after they were moved by Priests from the fallen Constantinople to Rome. It's quite funny that the Pagan books that kickstarted the Islamic golden age (especially Plato & Aristotle) were the same books that kickstarted the renaissance.

 

It's not true Islam, true. And that's why I say that Khomeini/Khamenei are politicians using Islam as a way to gain power, wealth, and control.

 

Yes absolutely. But did God claim that Iran is a true Islamic state? Did we get the opinion of the Imams? Or are we ought to believe that just because Khomeini said so?

And speaking of cults, Khomeini has a cult of personality. I was appalled when I saw people here in SC putting (رضي الله عنه) after his name. They don't even abbreviate it as رض

Islam is being destroyed. Otherwise what's the point of Mahdi exactly?

Again who says that Iran is an Islamic state? It is simply an Islamo-Fascist state ruled by the iron fist of Khamenei

The wars was not only religious, they are mainly ethnic. If you study the history of the Roman Empire you would see that those ethnic groups were always at war even before christianity appeared

Secularism is the best tool we have until the Imam re-appears and show us what true Islam is. Otherwise we will be slaves to the likes of Khomeini/Khamenei wielding insane amounts of power over multiple states brining nothing but destruction and misery. 

How many does of the vaccine have you already had?