Are you going to take the vaccine?

[Hameedeh]

On 4/14/2021 at 10:42 AM, SoRoUsH said:

Is there any scholar or marja' that has advised against taking the COVID vaccine? 

As far as I know, most scholars are encouraging their followers to get the vaccine. Correct? 

Has any marja claimed that it's either Mustahab or compulsory to get the vaccine? 

Salam. I read about a webinar through Zoom and Facebook to be held on Saturday, April 24,  at 5:00 pm EST (New York and Florida time). The topic is What to Know about Islamic Rules, COVID-19 and Vaccinations. The information about the webinar is here:

https://imam-us.org/webinar-at-the-crossroads-of-religious-obligation-and-medicine-what-to-know-about-islamic-rules-covid-19-and-vaccinations

[Syed.Dynasty]

On 4/14/2021 at 10:42 AM, SoRoUsH said:

سلام

Is there any scholar or marja' that has advised against taking the COVID vaccine? 

As far as I know, most scholars are encouraging their followers to get the vaccine. Correct? 

Has any marja claimed that it's either Mustahab or compulsory to get the vaccine? 

Thank you

About the US and UK vaccine:

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s highest political and religious authority, made the announcement in a televised address, calling the vaccines “forbidden.”

“They are completely untrustworthy,” he said.

[pisceswolf96]

26 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

 

About the US and UK vaccine:

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s highest political and religious authority, made the announcement in a televised address, calling the vaccines “forbidden.”

“They are completely untrustworthy,” he said.

I would also like to add that they are using people as lab rats and there has been a lot anecdotal evidence and stories of women having a lot of issues with their menstrual cycle after getting the Vax which is why they are going to conduct studies about it. Check here.

 

I hate to agree with Khamenei but his 100% correct on this one, God bless

Edited April 22, 2021 by pisceswolf96

[Hameedeh]

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We don't have a choice in which vaccine we get; just get whatever is available on the days you are scheduled. 

I had both doses of the covid-19 vaccine before the Holy Month of Ramadan began. I suppose if Muslims want to wait until after Eid al-Fitr to get the vaccine, they can wait, but they should limit the contact with other people. Covid-19 is a virus, so everyone will eventually get it, sooner or later. Its nature is to spread. Info at CDC.gov website:

The best way to prevent illness is to avoid being exposed to this virus. Learn how COVID-19 spreads and practice these actions to help prevent the spread of this illness.

To help prevent the spread of COVID-19:

 

• Get a COVID-19 vaccine when it’s available to you.

• Wear a mask to protect yourself and others and stop the spread of COVID-19.

• Stay at least 6 feet (about 2 arm lengths) from others who don’t live with you.

• Avoid crowds and poorly ventilated spaces. The more people you are in contact with, the more likely you are to be exposed to COVID-19.

• Clean your hands often, either with soap and water for 20 seconds or a hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol.

• Avoid close contact with people who are sick.

• Cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then throw the tissue in the trash.

• Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces daily.

• Monitor your health daily.

For informational purposes only. Consult your local medical authority for advice. 

[313_Waiter]

2 hours ago, pisceswolf96 said:

I hate to agree with Khamenei

Why do you hate to agree with Sayed Khamenei?

[hasanhh]

4 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces daily.

A week or two ago, there was a TV report that said this has more to do with influenza rather than C-l9. But l forget the exact reason.

[F.M]

8 hours ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

About the US and UK vaccine:

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s highest political and religious authority, made the announcement in a televised address, calling the vaccines “forbidden.”

“They are completely untrustworthy,” he said.

this is actually the biggest proof that we shia arent allowed to take them. we shia have nothing to say, its our imam mahdi is our leader of this time. because of his occulation he has clearly stated to go to our merjas (they are also under control by the imam). If they arent allowing something then its an obligation to us shia,elsewhere nothing would be left of our soo called shia-iman/ our jafariah. 

I am sure imam al mahdi is more than aware of what is happening on this world including what we even dont know and is hidden from us.He wouldnt just let the marja in this crazy time be left alone. They clearly stated its not allowed to take te vaccine from the western world (which is also logically) if people chose to not accept the saying. If they gave the wrong information then we all know our own imam who is activelly/ serious bussy in his mission, would intervene and take action and propably say it to the marjas that its not right or whatsoever. Our marjas are at the end controlled by imam al mahdi himself if they dont listen to the merjas then they dont acept the words of our living imam either. At the end everyone knows that when he will return, lots shias will turn against him and not obey to him so its not big news to see that people arent respecting their merjas anymore. Everyone stands for him/herself and its deeds.

[Diaz]

6 hours ago, F.M said:

this is actually the biggest proof that we shia arent allowed to take them. we shia have nothing to say, its our imam mahdi is our leader of this time. because of his occulation he has clearly stated to go to our merjas (they are also under control by the imam). If they arent allowing something then its an obligation to us shia,elsewhere nothing would be left of our soo called shia-iman/ our jafariah. 

I am sure imam al mahdi is more than aware of what is happening on this world including what we even dont know and is hidden from us.He wouldnt just let the marja in this crazy time be left alone. They clearly stated its not allowed to take te vaccine from the western world (which is also logically) if people chose to not accept the saying. If they gave the wrong information then we all know our own imam who is activelly/ serious bussy in his mission, would intervene and take action and propably say it to the marjas that its not right or whatsoever. Our marjas are at the end controlled by imam al mahdi himself if they dont listen to the merjas then they dont acept the words of our living imam either. At the end everyone knows that when he will return, lots shias will turn against him and not obey to him so its not big news to see that people arent respecting their merjas anymore. 

He said we shouldn’t take vaccine from US and UK only, he didn’t said we shouldn’t take the vaccine. Plus he is the only marja that forbid US and UK vaccine.

[F.M]

5 hours ago, Diaz said:

He said we shouldn’t take vaccine from US and UK only, he didn’t said we shouldn’t take the vaccine. Plus he is the only marja that forbid US and UK vaccine.

i said:"They clearly stated its not allowed to take te vaccine from the western world (which is also logically)" so yes i meant UK,USA, all vaccines we have here in europe is all from them. 

[Diaz]

3 hours ago, F.M said:

i said:"They clearly stated its not allowed to take te vaccine from the western world (which is also logically)" so yes i meant UK,USA, all vaccines we have here in europe is all from them. 

Yes but sayid khamenei is the only one who said we shouldn’t take vaccine from UK and US. Or is there someone else as well?

[Allah Seeker]

2 hours ago, Diaz said:

Yes but sayid khamenei is the only one who said we shouldn’t take vaccine from UK and US. Or is there someone else as well?

I wonder why he trusts his own vaccines without having them tested medium or long term. I wonder who his scientific adviser is and what he is told exactly with the exact papers. 

From what I understand, Iran is also working on the new mrna technology? 

[Sirius_Bright]

If you say US and UK are using people as lab rats then this is true for every vaccine including one made in Iran. No one got enough time for stringent and long trials. I don't know why Sayed Khamenei would call it untrustworthy when the same vaccine is used by US and UK for their people and they are doing mostly fine. Side effects are expected in vaccines and even in regular medicines. Those side effects outweigh the disease.

Anyways, I won't listen to him and I believe it is mostly a political statement. 

For those believing we should listen to sayyed Khamenei because he is Marja and Imam (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) is supporting him, here are some questions for you -

1. If Sayed Ali Sistani and other Marja says that taking vaccine is necessary because it saves your life and people around you then would you listen to Khamenei or other Mujtahid. If all Marajae gets support from Imam Mahdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) then how are they saying two different things. 

2. If you got a life threatening disease (may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) keep you safe), will you take prescribed medicines/undergo procedure that involves side effects or you look for a fatwa. 

[Sirius_Bright]

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Sayyed Ali Sistani:

Question 1: Vaccines against Coronavirus have already been manufactured by Pfizer, AstraZeneca & Moderna, and others are expected, or already on the market. The medical authorities of several countries have approved these vaccines and authorised mass vaccination programmes, despite some side effects. Some muqallideen are apprehensive about the vaccines’ 
potential side effects, as the testing & approval processes were expedited by the authorities, given the urgency of the pandemic. Some ethnic groups, based on previous negative experiences with mass vaccination programmes, are sceptical about these vaccines, although no serious side-effects have been observed in most cases. In such circumstances, what does His Eminence advise?

Answer 1: In such circumstances, it is appropriate to rely on the advice given by experienced medical experts. As per Shari’ah, it is mandatory to use an approved vaccine in a situation when the probability of suffering from the Coronavirus infection, with its potentially life threatening and/or serious untreatable complications, far outweigh the probable serious side effects of getting vaccinated.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.world-federation.org/sites/default/files/Religious_Vaccine_QnA_29Dec2020_Final.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_4J_Ds5LwAhWryjgGHXd4CqkQFjAEegQIDRAC&usg=AOvVaw1Ru6zhbh9wDSbTeC4hEIOS

Edited April 22, 2021 by Sirius_Bright

[Diaz]

1 hour ago, Allah Seeker said:

I wonder why he trusts his own vaccines without having them tested medium or long term. I wonder who his scientific adviser is and what he is told exactly with the exact papers. 

Salam brother, it’s a political reason just like what brother Sirius said above.

[Diaz]

37 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

I don't know why Sayed Khamenei would call it untrustworthy when the same vaccine is used by US and UK for their people and they are doing mostly fine

Well brother someone said America are using the real vaccine and sending different ones to Middle East so that they can kill us 

[Allah Seeker]

10 minutes ago, Diaz said:

Salam brother, it’s a political reason just like what brother Sirius said above.

Walaikum Salaam, 

Shameful in my opinion. I'm so disappointed and almost heart broken at ALL the scholars. At least the famous ones. Where is the resistance? Even hezbollah is quiet about this nonsense. LA hawla wala qowa ila billah 

[starlight]

It's okay. We have scholars higher up than Ayatullahs right here on SC to help Imam(عليه السلام) with the vetting process and be eyes and ears for him(عليه السلام) as to who prepared for his return and who didn't.

[Diaz]

27 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

Walaikum Salaam, 

Shameful in my opinion. I'm so disappointed and almost heart broken at ALL the scholars. At least the famous ones. Where is the resistance? Even hezbollah is quiet about this nonsense. LA hawla wala qowa ila billah 

why should Hezbollah talk about this brother?

Edited April 22, 2021 by Diaz

[Allah Seeker]

Just now, Diaz said:

Well in Lebanon, they ordered 750k pfizer vaccine. I’m not sure exactly how much they ordered, didn’t watch the news today. 
why should Hezbollah talk about this brother?

Brother hezbollah should defend from internal and external dangers. They have intelligence, and surely know that an untested substance with an untested technology is a high risk. It's like a shot in the dark 

[F.M]

4 hours ago, Diaz said:

Yes but sayid khamenei is the only one who said we shouldn’t take vaccine from UK and US. Or is there someone else as well?

Ok so? So his opinion doesnt Need to be respected? He is also my marja soo this also means for me that i have to listen to him. 

• and if it goes to sayed sistani, he says the following

Question 1: Vaccines against Coronavirus have already been manufactured by Pfizer, AstraZeneca & Moderna, and others are expected, or already on the market. The medical authorities of several countries have approved these vaccines and authorised mass vaccination programmes, despite some side effects. Some muqallideen are apprehensive about the vaccines’ potential side effects, as the testing & approval processes were expedited by the authorities, given the urgency of the pandemic. Some ethnic groups, based on previous negative experiences with mass vaccination programmes, are sceptical about these vaccines, although no serious side-effects have been observed in most cases. In such circumstances, what does His Eminence advise?

Answer 1: In such circumstances, it is appropriate to rely on the advice given by experienced medical experts. As per Shari’ah, it is mandatory to use an approved vaccine in a situation when the probability of suffering from the Coronavirus infection, with its potentially life threatening and/or serious untreatable complications, far outweigh the probable serious side effects of getting vaccinated.

, i am coming from a doctor family and still lots are against it. And even according to sayed sistani we should Be really cautious which vaccine we use and chose. Soo why relying on western propaganda world.  

[pisceswolf96]

On 4/22/2021 at 1:54 AM, 313_Waiter said:

Why do you hate to agree with Sayed Khamenei?

Because he's a [EDIT] politician

Edited April 23, 2021 by Hameedeh
Inappropriate language removed.

[Diaz]

6 minutes ago, F.M said:

Ok so? So his opinion doesnt Need to be respected? He is also my marja soo this also means for me that i have to listen to him. 

You said “they” so I thought maybe someone else other than sayid khamenei said it’s not allowed to take vaccine from usa and uk. Plus above you said “this is actually the biggest proof that we shia arent allowed to take them” because sayid khamenei said it’s forbidden to take it as if we are all his follower. We all know he said it’s forbidden to take the vaccine because of political reason and not health reason. 
 

I would love to know if China or Russia vaccine is available in your country, will u take it or no?

[F.M]

3 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

If you say US and UK are using people as lab rats then this is true for every vaccine including one made in Iran. No one got enough time for stringent and long trials. I don't know why Sayed Khamenei would call it untrustworthy when the same vaccine is used by US and UK for their people and they are doing mostly fine. Side effects are expected in vaccines and even in regular medicines. Those side effects outweigh the disease.

 

what has this to do with everything what is happening?? who talks about side effects? 

3 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

For those believing we should listen to sayyed Khamenei because he is Marja and Imam (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) is supporting him, here are some questions for you -

1. If Sayed Ali Sistani and other Marja says that taking vaccine is necessary because it saves your life and people around you then would you listen to Khamenei or other Mujtahid. If all Marajae gets support from Imam Mahdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) then how are they saying two different things. 

soo the saying of Khamenei doesnt matter ?

3 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

2. If you got a life threatening disease (may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) keep you safe), will you take prescribed medicines/undergo procedure that involves side effects or you look for a fatwa. 

if you would have studied pharmacology then you wouldnt have send this question. There are no medicines that cure a human only to delay his death. if you talk about cancer patients then yes they pay huge amount of money.

also what has side effects to do with this topic??? 

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all these reasons have nothing to do with side effects but rather that the world doesnt trust the vaccines made by the western world. for multiple reasons 

[F.M]

Just now, Diaz said:

You said “they” so I thought maybe someone else other than sayid khamenei said it’s not allowed to take vaccine from usa and uk. Plus above you said “this is actually the biggest proof that we shia arent allowed to take them” because sayid khamenei said it’s forbidden to take it as if we are all his follower. We all know he said it’s forbidden to take the vaccine because of political reason and not health reason

how many followers does khamenei have? possibly most iranians and many many more shias.. i have even friends in africa who follow khamenei soo they are with lots people. 

if you arent following him then why you speak? i was talking to @Syed.Dynasty

[F.M]

2 hours ago, starlight said:

It's okay. We have scholars higher up than Ayatullahs right here on SC to help Imam(عليه السلام) with the vetting process and be eyes and ears for him(عليه السلام) as to who prepared for his return and who didn't.

examples? which scholars are higher that Ayatullahs?

[F.M]

14 minutes ago, Diaz said:

You said “they” so I thought maybe someone else other than sayid khamenei said it’s not allowed to take vaccine from usa and uk.

about other ayatollahs i have no idea what they are saying (its not my business to get involved with it).. i only focus on my own ayatollah, everyone has its own responibillity to keep up to date with what their marja is saying. 

[Diaz]

This is where we reach now, people are scared from the vaccine more than the virus itself. Promoting something without prove and evidence is so stupid. Spreading rumors in Islam is haram. Btw if u don’t want to take the vaccine, don’t take it but pls remember if someone died because of u, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will punish u so good luck and may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) protect us all. I’m talking to everyone not only to a specific user. 

Anyway, my cousin took his vaccine few days ago, he had fever and now he is fine alhamdulillah. Still waiting for my turn. 
 

edit:- for anti-vaccine ppl, pls wear ur mask daily, wash ur hand properly and keep ur distance away from strangers.

Edited April 22, 2021 by Diaz

[Sirius_Bright]

2 hours ago, F.M said:

what has this to do with everything what is happening??

I'm not sure if I understand your question but my response was to someone mentioning people being treated as lab rats (to experiment vaccines). My point is - if that's the case then why forbid only western produced vaccines, forbid every vaccine. All vaccine got similar time. Why is Khamenei selectively targeting them and tagging as dangerous. It is nothing but political issue. Infact, many shias living in western countries would not take the vaccine and risk their and loved ones life because of one statement. 

2 hours ago, F.M said:

soo the saying of Khamenei doesnt matter ?

No.

I follow one Maraja and that too in fiqh. 

2 hours ago, F.M said:

also what has side effects to do with this topic??? 

Side effects thing came because people are already hesitant towards vaccine and an influential person amongst shia is tagging it as dangerous. 

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if you would have studied pharmacology then you wouldnt have send this question. There are no medicines that cure a human only to delay his death. if you talk about cancer patients then yes they pay huge amount of money

Take example of brain tumour.

If the patient is operated and the operation is successful then he gets a life. He may/may not develop again. If the operation fails, he is gone. If he doesn't operate, he's dead. 

Notice, inspite of being such a risk of death in operation, he goes for surgery and does not ask for fatwa. Same logic for vaccine. You don't need fatwa.

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all these reasons have nothing to do with side effects but rather that the world doesnt trust the vaccines made by the western world. for multiple reasons

100+ million already vaccinated and alive in US alone. Dangerous or lifesaving? 

Edited April 22, 2021 by Sirius_Bright

[notme]

I've had my first dose. Second one is scheduled for the end of this month. My arm was sore, but as I understand, the side effects are worse with the second one. I'll be ready for that. My husband had both doses and no side effects at all beyond the normal sore arm. 

[Syed.Dynasty]

6 hours ago, Diaz said:

Yes but sayid khamenei is the only one who said we shouldn’t take vaccine from UK and US. Or is there someone else as well?

Regardless why do you need someone to tell you that you shouldn’t blindly trust billionaires who have constantly said they want to reduce the worlds population.

 

19 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Take example of brain tumour.

If the patient is operated and the operation is successful then he gets a life. He may/may not develop again. If the operation fails, he is gone. If he doesn't operate, he's dead. 

Notice, inspite of being such a risk of death in operation, he goes for surgery and does not ask for fatwa. Same logic for vaccine. You don't need fatwa. 100+ million already vaccinated and alive in US alone. Dangerous or lifesaving? 

We don’t know what this mRNA will do to us as mentioned in other posts :

 

“A mRNA entering my body can change the activity of enzymes, cause upregulation or down regulation of receptors, alter the activity at neuronal synapses, modify the function or hormones, give me cancer, give me diabetes” 
 

This was said by a sister on this site whos a doctor but who isn’t anti vaccs and doesn’t claim to be pro vaxx but argues in favor of the covid vaccs. 
 

 

https://www.[Edited Out]ute.com/video/6BN7ostWeWzq/

this link above is to a lecture at West Point Military Academy by Professor Charles Morgan detailing the capabilities of this messenger RNA (mRNA).

Now with that being said there are other treatment methods available that don’t have the ability to reprogram your brain or harm your body. So the brain tumour comparison doesn’t really work here, it’s not the same logic because with covid there are other remedies that actually combat variants. Unlike the vaccines.

[BlueInk]

7 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Regardless why do you need someone to tell you that you shouldn’t blindly trust billionaires who have constantly said they want to reduce the worlds population.

 

We don’t know what this mRNA will do to us as mentioned in other posts :

 

“A mRNA entering my body can change the activity of enzymes, cause upregulation or down regulation of receptors, alter the activity at neuronal synapses, modify the function or hormones, give me cancer, give me diabetes” 
 

This was said by a sister on this site whos a doctor but who isn’t anti vaccs and doesn’t claim to be pro vaxx but argues in favor of the covid vaccs. 
 

 

https://www.[Edited Out]ute.com/video/6BN7ostWeWzq/

this link above is to a lecture at West Point Military Academy by Professor Charles Morgan detailing the capabilities of this messenger RNA (mRNA).

Now with that being said there are other treatment methods available that don’t have the ability to reprogram your brain or harm your body. So the brain tumour comparison doesn’t really work here, it’s not the same logic because with covid there are other remedies that actually combat variants. Unlike the vaccines.

Bit chute. Delete the space.

[Syed.Dynasty]

5 hours ago, Diaz said:

Well brother someone said America are using the real vaccine and sending different ones to Middle East so that they can kill us 

Your laughing as if things like this havnt happened before. History oft repeats itself.

 

5 hours ago, starlight said:

It's okay. We have scholars higher up than Ayatullahs right here on SC to help Imam(عليه السلام) with the vetting process and be eyes and ears for him(عليه السلام) as to who prepared for his return and who didn't.

Lol well if someone is gullible enough to blindly trust billionaires to experiment on them, they’re probably going to have a hard time believing in Imam when the worlds media will be against Him. Just read about how many ppl will oppose Him because He’s coming with a new program. Not only that Ayatollah Khamenei has openly said don’t take the us uk vaccines. Ppl are just ignoring all that and making ad hominem attacks. 

 

2 hours ago, Diaz said:

I would love to know if China or Russia vaccine is available in your country, will u take it or no?

If it’s mRNA then haaaaaaaaaayyyyllllll nah

Edited April 23, 2021 by Syed.Dynasty

[Diaz]

34 minutes ago, notme said:

I've had my first dose. Second one is scheduled for the end of this month. My arm was sore, but as I understand, the side effects are worse with the second one. I'll be ready for that. My husband had both doses and no side effects at all beyond the normal sore arm. 

Inshallah everything will be alright. My best friend’s father got his second vaccine, he had some fever and his arm was sore as well, after 2 days he was healed.

[Syed.Dynasty]

3 minutes ago, BlueInk said:

Bit chute. Delete the space.

The link still works if you click on it.

 

11 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

 

 

https://www.[Edited Out]ute.com/video/6BN7ostWeWzq/

this link above is to a lecture at West Point Military Academy by Professor Charles Morgan detailing the capabilities of this messenger RNA (mRNA).

 

[lissenma]

3 hours ago, F.M said:

Ok so? So his opinion doesnt Need to be respected? He is also my marja soo this also means for me that i have to listen to him. 

• and if it goes to sayed sistani, he says the following

Question 1: Vaccines against Coronavirus have already been manufactured by Pfizer, AstraZeneca & Moderna, and others are expected, or already on the market. The medical authorities of several countries have approved these vaccines and authorised mass vaccination programmes, despite some side effects. Some muqallideen are apprehensive about the vaccines’ potential side effects, as the testing & approval processes were expedited by the authorities, given the urgency of the pandemic. Some ethnic groups, based on previous negative experiences with mass vaccination programmes, are sceptical about these vaccines, although no serious side-effects have been observed in most cases. In such circumstances, what does His Eminence advise?

Answer 1: In such circumstances, it is appropriate to rely on the advice given by experienced medical experts. As per Shari’ah, it is mandatory to use an approved vaccine in a situation when the probability of suffering from the Coronavirus infection, with its potentially life threatening and/or serious untreatable complications, far outweigh the probable serious side effects of getting vaccinated.

, i am coming from a doctor family and still lots are against it. And even according to sayed sistani we should Be really cautious which vaccine we use and chose. Soo why relying on western propaganda world.  

can you provide source sister? thank you.