Are you going to take the vaccine?

[The Green Knight]

FYI:

A few family members in healthcare profession have taken vaccines (Chinese made) and they are fine alhamdulillah.

[Reza]

2 hours ago, F.M said:

vaccines isnt the only option to get immunized. 

It’s the safest on a collective scale. The only other way to get immunized is direct exposure to the virus, which is far worse than random inert preservatives. 

2 hours ago, F.M said:

most people who are anti vaccine are because of lots unseseraly ingredients used in them or the quality isnt that good

How do they know they’re unnecessary? What makes them qualified to judge quality? Are they chemists, epidemiologists, or medical doctors? Or are they just relying on scaremongering from anecdotes and some fringe crackpots? 

[F.M]

1 hour ago, Reza said:

How do they know they’re unnecessary? What makes them qualified to judge quality? Are they chemists, epidemiologists, or medical doctors? Or are they just relying on scaremongering from anecdotes and some fringe crackpots? 

lets not forget that also lots doctors are against the vaccine and many more medical employees, and they explain why they dont support the vaccine and we dont live in a cave anymore soo its easy spreading..

also lets not forget how west europe used to vaccinate many many people and they found out that the vaccins were deadly.. this happend actually often if you have rode the history. so yes this also causes lots people to not trust the vaccines and make them wonder wha the ingrediants are.. also if you learned some history you would have also known that europe used to put wrong ingrediants in a vaccine ON PURPOSE to kill innocent people and came up with a lie and advertising to use vaccine to prefent deadly ilnesss while in fact the vaccin itself was the deadly cause..(history of europeans are extreme dark) and yup this causes also lots people including africans,slavic,middle easterns etc to not trust it

also what does make you wonder that a vaccine does work?? our marjas themselves are neglecting and arent recomending to take vaccines made from the west... soo now you can stop

Edited March 17, 2021 by F.M

[F.M]

1 hour ago, Reza said:

It’s the safest on a collective scale. The only other way to get immunized is direct exposure to the virus, which is far worse than random inert preservatives. 

How do they know they’re unnecessary? What makes them qualified to judge quality? Are they chemists, epidemiologists, or medical doctors? Or are they just relying on scaremongering from anecdotes and some fringe crackpots? 

especially if you read such articles and this being talked on in hospital makes you even think why to take that dam vaccin..

i am sure only the brainwashed people would take them. maybe its time to start listening to what the science is saying and not random people in twitter or socialmedia  most arent even registered as scientists that are specialised in immunology etc..

Covid-19: Moderna Begins Testing Its Vaccine in Children

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March 17, 2021

Europe’s drug regulator is pushing back on fears about the AstraZeneca vaccine. And more than a dozen countries have suspended the use of the vaccine, although Australia, Britain and Thailand are moving ahead with it.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/03/16/world/covid-19-coronavirus

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Benefits of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine outweigh any risk, says EMA

European agency seeks to allay blood clot fears as Germany, France and Italy temporarily suspend use

Europe’s medicines regulator has moved to stifle spiralling concern about the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, saying the shot’s benefits outweigh the risks after four major EU countries announced they were suspending its use.

Germany, France, Italy and Spain temporarily halted inoculations with the vaccine on Monday after reported incidents of bleeding, blood clots and a low count of blood platelets in some people who had received the AstraZeneca shot.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/15/germany-suspends-oxford-vaccine-over-blood-clot-fears

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also there are many variants of covid.. the vaccine can handle only 1. for example les than 10% affectivity to african variant and there are aevem more on this globe.. still lots unknown

Pfizer, Moderna vaccines may be less effective against B1351 variant

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/02/pfizer-moderna-vaccines-may-be-less-effective-against-b1351-variant

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the most funny of all that. the latest news is nothing else than manufacturers/insurence that are promoting their brand of vaccine to get rich.. lives dont matter to them, its all about the money trust me, I worked in the pharmacy

 

Edited March 17, 2021 by F.M

[Ashvazdanghe]

Iran starts human trials of its third domestic COVID vaccine

The latest vaccine comes as Iran has imported 1.2 million jabs to inoculate its 80 million population.

Vials of Iranian COVID vaccine candidate are seen during human testing in Tehran, Iran December 29, 2020 [File: Organization of the Execution of Imam Khomeini's Order/WANA via Reuters]

By 

Maziar Motamedi

16 Mar 2021

 

Tehran, Iran – Iran has started human trials of Fakhravac, the third domestically developed COVID-19 vaccine, named after nuclear scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, who was assassinated in late November near Tehran in an attack Tehran blamed on its regional foe Israel.

Authorities at the time had said a team under Fakhrizadeh was working on a vaccine against the coronavirus, which has killed 61,000 people since it broke out in the country in February 2020.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/16/iran-starts-human-trials-on-third-locally-developed-vaccine

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/iran-starts-trial-of-new-homegrown-covid-19-vaccine-as-campaign-lags-1.5348999

Edited March 24, 2021 by Hameedeh
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[lissenma]

@F.M at least you are doing your due diligence, compared to the rest of people that just follows the crowd whether it may be good or bad for them.

[lissenma]

No I will not take it.

There are diseases that are far more dangerous than covid, disease that are unheard about. How do we protect ourselves from them?

I believe this virus and antivirus is part of a bigger scheme

Allah knows the truth

[Reza]

I guess there’s nothing left to say. Those who choose not to get vaccinated will have to face the consequences of their actions, not just for themselves, but for sick and immunocompromised people who are relying on herd immunity to be safe. 

Thankfully anti-vaccine belief is a fringe minority, and enough people will get vaccinated to halt this pandemic in due time.

[F.M]

9 minutes ago, Reza said:

I guess there’s nothing left to say. Those who choose not to get vaccinated will have to face the consequences of their actions, not just for themselves, but for sick and immunocompromised people who are relying on herd immunity to be safe. 

Thankfully anti-vaccine belief is a fringe minority, and enough people will get vaccinated to halt this pandemic in due time.

which consequences??

I guess you lack knowledge about immunity.. even tough you took the vaccine doesnt mean you cant spread the vaccine further.  this is not how immunity works, its youre own body that tries to recognize the virus and can possibly hold back to not getting the virus. (this is not always the case, it still happens that even tough people get vaccinated they get illl of the virus)

The vaccine is for yourself not for others. if the people in front of you didnt took the vaccine, and you did doesn't mean you can't infect that person (wearing masks,sanitizing, keeping distance is always important)

a vaccine is only to immunize yourself not others, thats why people who are risky are mostly taken it to prefent (not always the case, still possible to get the virus)

[lissenma]

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by lissenma

[F.M]

On 3/18/2021 at 11:07 AM, F.M said:

which consequences??

I guess you lack knowledge about immunity.. even tough you took the vaccine doesnt mean you cant spread the vaccine further.  this is not how immunity works, its youre own body that tries to recognize the virus and can possibly hold back to not getting the virus. (this is not always the case, it still happens that even tough people get vaccinated they get illl of the virus)

The vaccine is for yourself not for others. if the people in front of you didnt took the vaccine, and you did doesn't mean you can't infect that person (wearing masks,sanitizing, keeping distance is always important)

a vaccine is only to immunize yourself not others, thats why people who are risky are mostly taken it to prefent (not always the case, still possible to get the virus)

btw I meant: "even tough you took the vaccine doesnt mean you cant spread the virus further" 

[Reza]

On 3/18/2021 at 6:07 AM, F.M said:

The vaccine is for yourself not for others.

It’s called herd immunity. A high vaccinated population protects the unvaccinated (the immunocompromised and the anti-vaccination folks) through sheer quantitive reduction in viral transmission. Not absolutely, but significantly.

[Reza]

On 3/18/2021 at 6:07 AM, F.M said:

even tough you took the vaccine doesnt mean you cant spread the virus further.

It significantly reduces risk of transmission. Why this obfuscation on your part by speaking in absolutes?

Should we use the same argument for seat belts? “Even though you wear a seat belt doesn’t mean you can’t fly out of the car in an accident”. What practical benefit is this argumentation to anyone? 

[F.M]

8 minutes ago, Reza said:

It significantly reduces risk of transmission. Why this obfuscation on your part? 

there are people believing the vaccines are the key to stop spreading the virus (not the case) while in fact it is only for yourself to get immunized the idea to prevent getting the disease.  its not helping to stop the spreading if you took the vaccine doesnt mean you aren't a risk anymore for the others you still can infect them. 

some are against it because of multiple reasons starting from not trusting the vaccines till lots don't see a reason why to take one.  when sars got invented they didnt push the whole world to take the vaccines, then why they do it for corona (manipulation from sars)?

 

You see the total is death is possibly only the elders and people who are at highest risk.

 

[Reza]

2 hours ago, F.M said:

its not helping to stop the spreading if you took the vaccine doesnt mean you aren't a risk anymore for the others you still can infect them. 

You literally just repeated the same thing again. I told you vaccination reduces transmission. Do you not agree, and give your sources if you don't. Here’s one of mine:
 

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The experts are saying that the vaccines do not reduce transmission, but that is an inaccurate statement,” Gandhi says. “Vaccines have always decreased transmission. What they should be saying is that the clinical trials were not designed to test for asymptomatic infection, but there is every biological reason in the world to believe that they will reduce asymptomatic transmission.”

There is already evidence to support this, she says. First, when the vaccines were studied in macaque monkeys (during preclinical testing), they did eliminate asymptomatic infection — researchers swabbed the vaccinated macaques’ noses and found little or no virus. Second, the types of antibodies that are stimulated by most systemic vaccines (IgG and IgA) do tend to block viral infection in the nose (and no viral load in the nose most likely translates to no transmission). Finally, when monoclonal antibodies are given to COVID-19 patients, those antibodies reduce the viral load throughout the respiratory tract, including the nose.

The most convincing evidence, though, is just starting to emerge among real-world data. In Israel, where more than 90% of those age 60 and over have been vaccinated, “cases have plummeted in this population,” Gandhi notes. “Not just hospitalizations, which we expected, but cases [asymptomatic infection] as well.” Moreover, data from vaccinated health care workers recently published in the Lancet and preprint servers show reduced rates of asymptomatic infection and low viral loads in the nose when swabbing after vaccination.

“I think that in a few months, we are going to be able to say with certainty that these vaccines not only protect you, they also protect those around you,” Ranney says.

 

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/6-myths-about-covid-19-vaccines-debunked

[Reza]

2 hours ago, F.M said:

some are against it because of multiple reasons starting from not trusting the vaccines till lots don't see a reason why to take one.

People have lots of reasons, many of which are based on fearmongerning, misinformation, ignorance of basic biology, and unsubstantiated paranoia. 

[Berber-Shia]

My family and I caught the virus in November and to be honest it was not that bad. I mainly had similar symptoms as the cold and as far as the worst effect was that my father was tired for one day or two. That's it. My cousin's grandmother also caught it and she was fine after a week. I guarantee you that if one suffers (not die) from it, it is because of the person's current health. So if you don't want to suffer make sure you have good health in the first place. No need for a vaccine.

3 hours ago, Reza said:

It significantly reduces risk of transmission. Why this obfuscation on your part by speaking in absolutes?

Should we use the same argument for seat belts? “Even though you wear a seat belt doesn’t mean you can’t fly out of the car in an accident”. What practical benefit is this argumentation to anyone?

How would you know that? This is mRNA vaccine. Which is the first time used in such a big scale. So no prior data or experience.

[Khurasani]

14 minutes ago, Berber-Shia said:

My family and I caught the virus in November and to be honest it was not that bad. I mainly had similar symptoms as the cold and as far as the worst effect was that my father was tired for one day or two. That's it. My cousin's grandmother also caught it and she was fine after a week. I guarantee you that if one suffers (not die) from it, it is because of the person's current health. So if you don't want to suffer make sure you have good health in the first place. No need for a vaccine.

How would you know that? This is mRNA vaccine. Which is the first time used in such a big scale. So no prior data or experience.

No offense but this is literally the most plain and obvious advice i have heard. Yeah it wont kill you if you are healthy but the issue is that we can spread it to people who aren't healthy due to age, underlying conditions or other stuff.

[Diaz]

13 minutes ago, Khurasani said:

the issue is that we can spread it to people who aren't healthy due to age, underlying conditions or other stuff.

This is what I fear. Getting corona and then spread it to people who has weak immune. Now imagine if I survived but they died because of me? I will never forgive my self.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

On 2/10/2021 at 1:15 PM, Diaz said:

Update:- my father is going to take the vaccine soon, inshallah nothing happens to him. 

Nothing will happen to him, my grandfather is doing very well and he was vaccinated, alhamdullilah.

[Berber-Shia]

51 minutes ago, Khurasani said:

the issue is that we can spread it to people who aren't healthy due to age, underlying conditions or other stuff.

True. That's why if you risk dying from getting it then you should of course be vaccinated. 

1 hour ago, Berber-Shia said:

I guarantee you that if one suffers (not die) from it, it is because of the person's current health.

That's why I explicitly said suffer and not die.

[Al-Hassan]

I took the Pfizer vaccine about a month ago. There were minor symptoms after the second shot but no major side effects, random limbs growing or microchips taking control of me. On a serious note, last year a relative of mine died from Covid after contracting the disease from his daughter who was in close proximity to a person at work that coughed near her (she eventually learned that the person was tested positive). In other words, a simple cough during this pandemic can be just as lethal as s knife or a gun. If they were vaccinated at the time, they would most certainly be alive today. For those that oppose taking the vaccine and advice others not to take it, you have to keep in mind that you will be held responsible for your words in the Akhira if a vulnerable person died for taking your advice. 
 

 

[F.M]

23 hours ago, Reza said:

It significantly reduces risk of transmission. Why this obfuscation on your part by speaking in absolutes?

Again it started when you said the following..

On 3/18/2021 at 11:07 AM, F.M said:

 Those who choose not to get vaccinated will have to face the consequences of their actions, not just for themselves, but for sick and immunocompromised people who are relying on herd immunity to be safe. 

 

If I am not deciding to take one then what consequences do we get? for example in the hospital or somewhere else where they treat patients if youre hand has some of the virus (even if you are vaccinated) you can give it further to the rest of the people and that can cause they get ill if they are risk patients. that is called in our medical terms 'droplet transmission"  a vaccine is supposed to makes youre body immune and its never 100% , yes there is a posibility it will reduce the infections but this all temporarelly a vaccine is less than 6 months valid. 

a vaccine seems for lots people not a bad idea to get immunized. BUT they forget the virus is keeping transforming itself and trying to get dominated day by day thats why a vaccine often less than 1 year valid.( idont see myself getting stuffed with so many vaccines whereby the ingredients are disgusting) just like the flu-vaccine (less than 24 weeks valid)

here are some following sources

According to dutch government of public health

Do I still need to follow the coronavirus measures after vaccination?

Yes, you do. Everyone who is vaccinated must still follow the general coronavirus rules. Vaccination protects you from illness due to COVID-19, but we do not know yet if vaccinated people can still spread the virus. In addition, 60-90% of vaccinated people are protected against COVID-19 one to two weeks after vaccination. This means that not everyone is protected. The chance of getting COVID-19 after two vaccinations is very small, but not zero. For that reason, you must still follow the rules, even after vaccination. That is why vaccinated people are subject to the same basic rules as people who have not been vaccinated, for the time being.

https://www.rivm.nl/covid-19-vaccinatie/vragen-antwoorden

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1. Does vaccination completely prevent infection?

The short answer is no. You can still get infected after you’ve been vaccinated. But your chances of getting seriously ill are almost zero.

Many people think vaccines work like a shield, blocking a virus from infecting cells altogether. But in most cases, a person who gets vaccinated is protected from disease, not necessarily infection.

Every person’s immune system is a little different, so when a vaccine is 95% effective, that just means 95% of people who receive the vaccine – but who would have gotten ill if exposed to the virus before – won’t get sick. These people could be completely protected from infection, or they could be getting infected but remain asymptomatic because their immune system eliminates the virus very quickly. The remaining 5% of vaccinated people – if exposed to the virus – could become infected and get sick, but are extremely unlikely to be hospitalized.

https://theconversation.com/can-vaccinated-people-still-spread-the-coronavirus-155095

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“A lot of people are thinking that once they get vaccinated, they’re not going to have to wear masks anymore,” said Michal Tal, an immunologist at Stanford University. “It’s really going to be critical for them to know if they have to keep wearing masks, because they could still be contagious.”

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How long will I be protected after the injection?
We currently know that protection remains as high as 3 months after vaccination. It is not yet known how long this protection will last. This is now being extensively investigated in clinical studies and will continue to be monitored after the vaccine has been approved and marketed, at least for two years.

https://www.cbg-meb.nl/documenten/vragen-en-antwoorden/coronavaccin-biontech-pfizer#:~:text=Het is nog niet bekend,ieder geval gedurende twee jaar.

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I cant be the only one before i got to vacation and got vaccine infections or illnesses like typhus and paid lots money for it and at the end i got really ill at my vacation.  a vaccine is never 100% especially with all these different variants and the virus getting day by day more dominant. 

The thing I also can't understand even tough lots got vaccines then  why are there totals not decreasing?? Its only getting worse and often up and down. And the biggest questions also arrive the death roll is really low for corona even much smaller than SARS yet they push everyone to take  corona vaccines they didn't it for SARS which is most deadly 

 

[Berber-Shia]

Seasonal flu: Old and immunocompromised people take it.

Why? --> Because it could possibly kill them.

Does everybody else have to take it? --> No because it won't kill them and won't kill those who took the vaccine (i.e. those mentioned above)

 

Same logic can be applied with the Coronavirus.

 

Yes, I don't want to be responsible for anyone's death. But if there is a vaccine, the responsibility falls into those who can get vaccinated.

 

But BerberShia, if you don't take the vaccine, the virus will keep existing! -->

1) Most of the vaccines don't stop the spread of the virus (because they are mRNA) they merely slow it (supposedly).

2) Future strains will develop and then we will have to get vaccinated again?! For how long then? 

[Haji 2003]

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Vaccination rates also differed by religious affiliation, with the lowest rate being among those who identified as Muslim, at 72.3 per cent. The average take-up for the over-70s across the whole UK population was 90 per cent, the ONS said.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/52d2bd7d-f4cf-4fa7-918f-976a8cf162d9

[Reza]

On 3/20/2021 at 8:13 AM, F.M said:

BUT they forget the virus is keeping transforming itself and trying to get dominated day by day thats why a vaccine often less than 1 year valid

Yes, viruses learn to adapt, so vaccines are made to adapt. It’s a race. The fact that it’s not “one and done” is unfortunate, but I’m not sure why that invalidates the whole concept.

On 3/20/2021 at 8:13 AM, F.M said:

idont see myself getting stuffed with so many vaccines whereby the ingredients are disgusting)

The virus is more disgusting than any ingredient.

On 3/20/2021 at 8:13 AM, F.M said:

a vaccine is never 100% especially with all these different variants and the virus getting day by day more dominant. 

The “vaccine is not 100% effective” argument to justify taking 0% action. Perfect is the enemy of the good.

On 3/20/2021 at 8:13 AM, F.M said:

I cant be the only one before i got to vacation and got vaccine infections or illnesses like typhus and paid lots money for it and at the end i got really ill at my vacation.

That likely means your immune system is functional. Nobody said that side effects don't happen. But it's much better than getting typhus. 

On 3/20/2021 at 8:13 AM, F.M said:

The thing I also can't understand even tough lots got vaccines then  why are there totals not decreasing??

We have to wait. More people need to be vaccinated and continue safety measures, and eventually there will be a significant decrease. Unless that process is sabotaged by many people not doing either of the former (hint, hint). Fortunately, I think most people will.

Also, rise and fall has multiple factors, of which vaccines are only (albeit one important) factor.

On 3/20/2021 at 8:13 AM, F.M said:

And the biggest questions also arrive the death roll is really low for corona even much smaller than SARS yet they push everyone to take  corona vaccines they didn't it for SARS which is most deadly 

SARS is more deadly to those infected but COVID-19 spreads more easily. Although COVID-19 has a lower death rate, the higher transmission rate greatly increases its impact worldwide compared to SARS. (Millions dead worldwide for COVID-19 vs hundreds dead worldwide for SARS)

SARS and COVID-19 are both types of Coronaviruses. 

[Hameedeh]

We don't have a choice in which vaccine we get; just get whatever is available on the days you are scheduled. I had two doses of the Pfizer one. Alhamdulillah. 

Edited April 14, 2021 by Hameedeh
Where I live, anyone above 16 years old can now get the covid-19 vaccine.

[Diaz]

Salam, did anyone take the vaccine other than brother haji?

[Diaz]

Watch this video if u r wondering which vaccine u r planning to choose.

 

 

Edited April 7, 2021 by Diaz

[KamranZ]

As there are currently no long-term studies available, I won’t, specially the one produced by Pfizer, because of its new mechanism.

Unless I would be forced...

Ya Allah

K

[Diaz]

19 hours ago, KamranZ said:

As there are currently no long-term studies available, I won’t, specially the one produced by Pfizer, because of its new mechanism.

Unless I would be forced...

Ya Allah

K

Why forced tho? 

[KamranZ]

6 minutes ago, Diaz said:

Why forced tho? 

Good question. It might be forced through enforcement of new regulations/limitations for the people who won’t get vaccinated. For example, you’re not allowed to travel between different countries if you’re not vaccinated or similar...

[Diaz]

1 minute ago, KamranZ said:

Good question. It might be forced through enforcement of new regulations/limitations for the people who won’t get vaccinated. For example, you’re not allowed to travel between different countries if you’re not vaccinated or similar...

I’ve heard about this, they said they will give u a small book like passport that u took the vaccine and then u can travel anywhere u want.  

[Diaz]

Salam everyone, I’ve discussed about taking the vaccine with my parents, inshallah we all (except my 14 years old brother) are going to take the vaccine soon. 

[SoRoUsH]

سلام

Is there any scholar or marja' that has advised against taking the COVID vaccine? 

As far as I know, most scholars are encouraging their followers to get the vaccine. Correct? 

Has any marja claimed that it's either Mustahab or compulsory to get the vaccine? 

Thank you