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Are you going to take the vaccine?  

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  1. 1. Are you going to take the vaccine? Please state a reason as well.



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1 hour ago, Muhammed Ali said:

For these conspiracy theorists there is no escape; either the man made vaccine will get them or the man made coronavirus. 

In that case I put my faith in my creator.

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14 hours ago, dragonxx said:

make sure its been at least 6 months since your last dose if you decide to booster

My jabs have been on 11 Feb, 11 May and 20th Nov.

Yes 6 months between 2nd jab and booster. 

 

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On 11/20/2021 at 10:44 PM, Diaz said:

Are you joking or are you serious? 

Here's another example of mix and match:

 

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On 11/20/2021 at 11:39 PM, slavelight said:

In that case I put my faith in my creator.

You are supposed to make efforts to stop disease. That is what your creator wants. If you really think the vaccine is more dangerous than a man-made or natural virus, you need to find an alternative. 

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New COVID 19 variant is detected in South Africa called omicron. Be careful everyone, it’s spreading so fast. May allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) protect us from this disease.

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My antivax mom made a good point that I can't refute. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the science can. She says that having semi-effective vaccines is the reason new strains are coming out more, not less virulent, similar to antibiotic resistant bacteria. 

As I understand it, and I'm no virologist, usually viruses mutate to be less virulent over time, so that hosts transport them to new hosts rather than quickly dying and ending the transport of that batch of viruses. 

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On 11/28/2021 at 6:25 PM, notme said:

My antivax mom made a good point that I can't refute. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the science can. She says that having semi-effective vaccines is the reason new strains are coming out more, not less virulent, similar to antibiotic resistant bacteria. 

As I understand it, and I'm no virologist, usually viruses mutate to be less virulent over time, so that hosts transport them to new hosts rather than quickly dying and ending the transport of that batch of viruses. 

At least they have some effective. I already took my second one and I believe it shall be my last one too.

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On 11/28/2021 at 4:25 PM, notme said:

My antivax mom made a good point that I can't refute. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the science can. She says that having semi-effective vaccines is the reason new strains are coming out more, not less virulent, similar to antibiotic resistant bacteria. 

As I understand it, and I'm no virologist, usually viruses mutate to be less virulent over time, so that hosts transport them to new hosts rather than quickly dying and ending the transport of that batch of viruses. 

Why is it then that the Omicron variant came out in less vaccinated Southern Africa and Delta originated in India, which had a low level of vaccination at that time?

More reasonable is the argument, in my opinion, that variants will become less likely once the West learns to be a bit more generous with its rollout of vaccinations.

Otherwise vaccinations in the West will be pointless while there is a deep reservoir of unvaccinated in developing countries.

Another option, of course, is to stop all travel between unvaccinated poor countries and rich vaccinated ones, but that is also unlikely given the West's need to travel to poor countries in order to exploit them.

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3 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Catholic Church has had a problem with following the science, in the past.

The Pope himself has made vaccinations mandatory for everyone in The Vatican. But I guess he's the mouthpiece of God for Catholics and nobody else can issue mandates. Or maybe this one priest was going rogue. 

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On 12/1/2021 at 4:34 AM, Haji 2003 said:

Why is it then that the Omicron variant came out in less vaccinated Southern Africa and Delta originated in India, which had a low level of vaccination at that time?

More reasonable is the argument, in my opinion, that variants will become less likely once the West learns to be a bit more generous with its rollout of vaccinations.

Otherwise vaccinations in the West will be pointless while there is a deep reservoir of unvaccinated in developing countries.

Another option, of course, is to stop all travel between unvaccinated poor countries and rich vaccinated ones, but that is also unlikely given the West's need to travel to poor countries in order to exploit them.

It is plausible that it was only detected in South Africa, not that it originated there. This is because of South Africa's long history and experience in detecting diseases.

Secondly there is no supply problem for South Africa and indeed in alot of underdeveloped countries. Most South Africans have refused to be vaccinated despite vaccine availability, indicating a vaccine hesitancy issue.

Furthermore, just with regards to this new variant, so far most cases - according to global and South African health officials - are actually mild. In fact it is plausible that this variant may actually be more mild than previous strains, but that is yet to be seen.

And finally, while vaccines clearly do work, so does immunity gained through infection, and many of these countries that have not vaccinated a large amount of their populas have not seen a great amount of deaths in the current Covid wave (such as South Africa) mainly because of previous deadly Covid surges that ripped through the populas.

I think the media tends to be negative and makes money on people's panic, and we will really see if this variant is really worth the hype.

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23 hours ago, Sumerian said:

Secondly there is no supply problem for South Africa and indeed in alot of underdeveloped countries. Most South Africans have refused to be vaccinated despite vaccine availability, indicating a vaccine hesitancy issue.

You might want to read this in the British Medical Journal:

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But the vaccines have been slow to arrive. The much awaited Covax delivery due in March arrived only in the last week of June and contained just 1.4 million doses. And just as the AstraZeneca vaccine was about to be rolled out to healthcare workers in mid-February, concerns emerged that the vaccine may not be efficacious against the emerging Beta (B.1.351) variant identified in the country.1

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1949

 

Hesitancy is an issue, but it's effect will only be after the supply issue has been sorted.

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Among vaccine hesitant people, frequently cited concerns are safety, the rushed development, and lack of testing.

But it never ceases to amaze me how people who otherwise are quite happy to put all sorts of rubbish into their bodies 24/7 suddenly want the full data sheet on covid vaccines.

No doubt they have their very active fear mongers, as we do on Shiachat.

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7 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

You might want to read this in the British Medical Journal:

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1949

 

Hesitancy is an issue, but it's effect will only be after the supply issue has been sorted.

But it never ceases to amaze me how people who otherwise are quite happy to put all sorts of rubbish into their bodies 24/7 suddenly want the full data sheet on covid vaccines.

No doubt they have their very active fear mongers, as we do on Shiachat.

This is old news.

Supply has been fixed months ago, in fact South Africa has been throwing away vaccines because not enough people are vaccinating before they expire. They currently have excess stock.

Read this article:

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/exclusive-south-africa-delays-covid-vaccine-deliveries-inoculations-slow-2021-11-24/

Even the Health Minister said that the reason for slow uptake is what he called "misinformation online".

Supply is becoming an old excuse with every passing day.

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7 hours ago, Sumerian said:

This is old news.

Yes, but in order to have 2 or even 3 jabs now you'd have to have you first one several months ago! 

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19 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

You might want to read this in the British Medical Journal:

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1949

 

Hesitancy is an issue, but it's effect will only be after the supply issue has been sorted.

But it never ceases to amaze me how people who otherwise are quite happy to put all sorts of rubbish into their bodies 24/7 suddenly want the full data sheet on covid vaccines.

No doubt they have their very active fear mongers, as we do on Shiachat.

Exactly. Have you ever read the ingredients list on the back of snack foods ? Almost all chips, candy, etc, contain preservatives, artificial coloring, artificial flavors and other ingredients that have been proven far more damaging to health than any vaccine. 

Yet if someone passes you a snack, there is no scrutiny. Odd. Oh, and the vaccine can save your life, unlike snack foods which will most likely shorten it. 

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5 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Yes, but in order to have 2 or even 3 jabs now you'd have to have you first one several months ago! 

There is only a 3 week atleast mandatory gap between first and second doses of Pfizer.

People in South Africa haven't even bothered getting their first dose, despite supply issues ending over 3 months ago, and they aren't even rushing to get vaccinated in droves even as there is a current Covid case surge due to the new variant (albeit deaths are currently low).

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2 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

Exactly. Have you ever read the ingredients list on the back of snack foods ? Almost all chips, candy, etc, contain preservatives, artificial coloring, artificial flavors and other ingredients that have been proven far more damaging to health than any vaccine. 

Yet if someone passes you a snack, there is no scrutiny. Odd. Oh, and the vaccine can save your life, unlike snack foods which will most likely shorten it. 

 

You can't compare what goes through the mouth and in to the digestive system with injectibles that do not go through the same process. That's unfair.

You can drink tapwater, but if you inject tapwater into your body that would lead to some serious infections/issues or even death, that's because what's injected into your body don't go through the same process as what goes through your mouth. Big difference actually.

It's true though that modern diet change has become very unhealthy and is also leading to many unnecessary disease and deaths.

 

 

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The latest research in the US (Arizona) is that a blood clot after vaccination is very rare:  1 (one) in 250,000 (two hundred fifty thousand). I am scheduled to get the 3rd shot (Booster) next week.  

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PPSD? ‘Experts’ Say 300,000 Brits At Risk For Heart-Related Issues Due To New illness Called “Post-Pandemic Stress Disorder”

Over a quarter of a million Brits could face a new heart-related illness due to ‘post-pandemic stress disorder’ (PPSD), two London physicians have warned. They claim that this could result in a 4.5% rise in cardiovascular cases in Britain because of the effects of ‘PPSD’, with those aged between 30 to 45 most at-risk.

The claims by the physicians come less than a month after a report by Dr. Steven Gundry in the American Heart Association in which he said that mRNA COVID vaccines more than doubled the risk of developing an acute coronary syndrome, such as a heart attack.

https://thecovidworld.com/ppsd-experts-say-quarter-of-a-million-brits-at-risk-for-heart-related-issues-due-to-new-illness-called-post-pandemic-stress-disorder/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/post-pandemic-stress-disorder-heart-conditions-covid-london-physicians-b969436.html

is this new illness PPSD made up to cloak for the covid vaccines injuries? I wouldn't be shocked in view of the amount of influence pharmaceutical companies have over scientists & media & politicians.

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On 12/5/2021 at 8:40 AM, slavelight said:

The claims by the physicians come less than a month after a report by Dr. Steven Gundry in the American Heart Association in which he said that mRNA COVID vaccines more than doubled the risk of developing an acute coronary syndrome, such as a heart attack.

That "report" was criticized for inaccuracies by commentators in British media, The American Heart Association, and The Reuters Fact Check team. Less than three weeks later, the publisher issued an "Expression of Concern" mentioning the "potential errors" that people should be aware of. The "report" is not credible. 

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there are several typographical errors, there is no data in the abstract regarding myocardial T-cell infiltration, there are no statistical analyses for significance provided, and the author is not clear that only anecdotal data was used.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIR.0000000000001051

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17 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

That "report" was criticized for inaccuracies by commentators in British media, The American Heart Association, and The Reuters Fact Check team. Less than three weeks later, the publisher issued an "Expression of Concern" mentioning the "potential errors" that people should be aware of. The "report" is not credible. 

What about the many other reports.

 

This is why I have hard time trusting the sources with conflict of interest.

https://www.pfizer.com/people/leadership/board-of-directors/james_smith

Chairman of the Thomson Reuters Foundation, a London-based charity supported by the global news and information provider. President, Chief Executive Officer and Director of Thomson Reuters Corporation, a provider of intelligent information for businesses and professionals, from 2012 until his retirement in 2020.

He's currently in the board member of pfizer.

 

On 12/5/2021 at 5:23 AM, Hameedeh said:

The latest research in the US (Arizona) is that a blood clot after vaccination is very rare:  1 (one) in 250,000 (two hundred fifty thousand). I am scheduled to get the 3rd shot (Booster) next week.  

This is why I don't trust these studies. 1 in 250 000 is very rare, but I doubt that study is free from conflict of interest.

I don't live in a big community, yet many people in my region knows of the sudden increase of heart related problems in old people and specially youngsters since the start of mass vaccination program. This is not my region only, in other regions aswell, but the media are underreporting or not reporting at all to no scare off people.

 

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On 12/3/2021 at 12:13 PM, Abu Hadi said:

Exactly. Have you ever read the ingredients list on the back of snack foods ? Almost all chips, candy, etc, contain preservatives, artificial coloring, artificial flavors and other ingredients that have been proven far more damaging to health than any vaccine. 

Yet if someone passes you a snack, there is no scrutiny. Odd. Oh, and the vaccine can save your life, unlike snack foods which will most likely shorten it. 

 

Depends on the person really. Not everybody cares to read about the ingredients in the snack. But everybody has a right to know what's in them. The ones that lives short lives are usually the very ones that don't care to check what's in the snacks or food that they eat, a behaviour that you apparently think is good

Especially if you're someone with food allergies, then the list of ingredients becomes essential, to see if it contains possible allergens. The public have a right to know the full list of ingredients of what they're putting into their body, whether it's food or medicine or whatever.

Taking the V should be up to the individual to decide. I don't tell anyone to take or not to take it. I will say however, that if you're willing to blindly have faith in greedy megacorporations and the institutes that they pay off, that they are honest saints and you'll put whatever they want into your body without questions asked, well, have fun then. Both the WHO and CDC outright say that they don't know the long term effects

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On 1/30/2021 at 1:21 PM, Abu Hadi said:

My sister, my wife, and my mom have already taken it. They took the Pfizer vaccine (2 doses), which is what they are giving now in the US. None of them have grown extra limbs or went crazy. They are all fine (Alhamduillah). I'm going to take it once it becomes available to the general population. 

I think everyone should take it once it becomes available to them. For two reasons

1. There is no evidence that I have seen (and I have done some research on this) that there is a significant risk of side effects, or that this vaccine is a 'conspiracy' or that someone is trying to implant a microchip, etc. We, as muslims, need to operate based on aql (knowledge and rationality), not Thun (conjecture). This is what the Holy Quran and Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام)) teach us

2. We have a duty (Wajib Kafiyya) to do our part to protect the health of the society we live in. By getting the vaccine, we can ensure that we have a much lower probability of getting the virus ourselves and spreading it to others who may have more severe effects from it. So this is part of our social responsibility as a Muslim/a. 

Assalam Alikum Hajj

Do you still feel this way?

After a year has gone by, and the "science" changing, what are your opinions now?

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN ALLAH 

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How the unvaxxed can protect themselves

This dude properly understands his target market.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

This dude properly understands his target market

Impressive.  

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Salamu alaikum everyone, since it’s been 2 years of covid, and many of us took the vaccine, do you guys feel like you have any side effect? 
 

Some people I know said they did, I just want to make sure if they are exaggerating or they might be telling the truth. Today my sister’s best friend got blood clot, she told to my sister that the reason she received it is because of the vaccine even tho it’s been more than a year since she received it, and now my father and my siblings are freaking out and they are planning to do cupping, I have no idea why. 

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