Are you going to take the vaccine?

[Abdul-Hadi]

5 hours ago, Mohamad Abdel-Hamid said:

I believe 2 days ago, our government finally allowed everyone over 18 years old to register for the vaccine. Overnight, the entire population of our city (+1.4 million) registered. Time to wait now... 

I don't know if the vaccine will actually work to prevent me from getting COVID19, but I was willing to try it and I think that other people should get it after they discuss it with their doctor (if they have one). The only reason I recommend that people talk with their doctor rather than going out and taking it regardless is because it is not yet approved by the FDA and they could potentially have an allergic reaction to the ingredients. I did not have a reaction and neither did my mom or sister, but just because I didn't have a reaction to the ingredients doesn't mean that other people necessarily won't.

I do generally think that it's safe though. It just made me sleepy for the day after I got each dose and my arm felt like someone had punched me there, but I didn't even feel the jab itself.

[Hameedeh]

For those who are waiting to get the covid-19 vaccine, you need to take action and make a phone call. Here in the US, if you wait, you are forgotten. The people who made a phone call are the ones who got an appointment with time and date for the vaccine. The busy workers who are scheduling the appointments by phone will not have time to call, text or email you. 

[ShiaChat Mod]

On 6/13/2021 at 5:10 AM, Berber-Shia said:

Logging back to this site real quick to say: If you're young and are planning to have kids in the future DO NOT TAKE THE VACCINE.

Bye.

The only fertility problem mentioned by health professionals is that some older men who had Covid-19 infection -- and almost died from it -- later on experienced Erectile Dysfunction. 

The vaccine to prevent Covid-19 does not cause a fertility problem for males or females. That is a myth. 

[Abdul-Hadi]

3 hours ago, ShiaChat Mod said:

The vaccine to prevent Covid-19 does not cause a fertility problem for males or females. That is a myth. 

I'm really curious as to when (and why) so many people stopped believing in the very real benefits of vaccines. I wonder if the anti-vaxxer crowd has ever heard of this thing that used to exist called "smallpox".

I say "used to exist" because through vaccination, it no longer exists. There hasn't been a case of smallpox since I think the 1970s because people got vaccinated against it and now the virus has been annihilated. Same thing with polio. Polio used to be a very real terror for people in the United States, but the only time you hear about people getting polio in the US is if they follow some restorationist Christian sect that doesn't believe in vaccines or modern medicine.

Just get the vaccine, brothers & sisters, it's not going to make you sterile. That's not the point of this vaccine-- the point is to defeat a disease that's killed 3.89 million people worldwide. We're very lucky that the vaccine exists, because Covid19 is not a joke. People die from it.

[Guest Window]

I got the vaccine a month ago, both doses. My family members didn't have side effects, but because I typically get side effects with most vaccines, I had a fever and chills and slept for 2 days after each dose. The third day I was back to normal -- no fever, no chills, no nothing. For those you saying getting vaccinated decreases your faith, please don't spread nonsense. It increased faith for me because since taking more precautions than the average person, I mostly stayed at home compared to other people who shopped, went to the beach, and travelled locally. You have no idea how good it feels to not get anxious, getting a cup of coffee, eating a meal at a restaurant, and playing sports without worrying about who might have covid and who might not. I feel so much happier since getting vaccinated and for your own mental wellbeing, get the vaccine. If you want to make yourself go crazy with conspiracy theories left and right, fight with people, destroy your interpersonal relationships, and possibly be responsible for the death of loved ones, then please stay home. You'd be doing everyone else a favor. Otherwise, if you want to return to normalcy soon, put on your big boy/girl pants, and get vaccinated. 

[Hameedeh]

On 6/23/2021 at 8:46 PM, Abdul-Hadi said:

Just get the vaccine, brothers & sisters, it's not going to make you sterile. That's not the point of this vaccine-- the point is to defeat a disease that's killed 3.89 million people worldwide. We're very lucky that the vaccine exists, because Covid19 is not a joke. People die from it.

The death toll from Covid-19 has now surpassed 4 million world-wide. 

[layman]

Salam,

After much deliberation into the risk, benefits and personal health status, i decided to take the vaccine.  My left hand felt tired for few hours before i sleep on the first day.  Now second day, just feel like normal.  Move on with my normal life.  I am responsible to take care of my own body.  Covid19 cases in Malaysia is rising.

Wallahualam 

[justAnothermuslim]

On 7/9/2021 at 10:15 AM, layman said:

Salam,

After much deliberation into the risk, benefits and personal health status, i decided to take the vaccine.  My left hand felt tired for few hours before i sleep on the first day.  Now second day, just feel like normal.  Move on with my normal life.  I am responsible to take care of my own body.  Covid19 cases in Malaysia is rising.

Wallahualam 

Wassalam

Just curious bro.

This is happening in England as reported by The Guardian and not in ur country.

What’s ur take on this?:

It could sound worrying that the majority of people dying in England with the now-dominant Delta (B.1.617.2) variant have been vaccinated. Does this mean the vaccines are ineffective? Far from it, it’s what we would expect from an effective but imperfect vaccine, a risk profile that varies hugely by age and the way the vaccines have been rolled out.

https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated

[layman]

20 hours ago, justAnothermuslim said:

Wassalam

Just curious bro.

This is happening in England as reported by The Guardian and not in ur country.

What’s ur take on this?:

It could sound worrying that the majority of people dying in England with the now-dominant Delta (B.1.617.2) variant have been vaccinated. Does this mean the vaccines are ineffective? Far from it, it’s what we would expect from an effective but imperfect vaccine, a risk profile that varies hugely by age and the way the vaccines have been rolled out.

https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated

Salam...

Current vaccines are not to make our body immune system able to protect from all variants of SARS COV-2 spike proteins.  Each vaccine is effective to specific earlier variants. Mutations of these viruses are  concerns to be addressed.  I believe more new vaccines / methods are needed to address more contagious mutants.

Having say so, will it beneficial to make our body immune system (using currently available vaccines) to fight the current covid19 (not new mutants).  I would say yes because majority of infected persons in my country are not yet related to new covid19 mutants.

In my opinions we have two approaches on Covid19.

1.  Good body immune system that can produce strong and sufficient antibody to fight all new mutants. 

2.  Drugs that can kill all type of Covid19 mutants if our body immune system failed to provide adequate protection.

Covid19 issue is complex, even worst with new mutations.  Current available vaccines are just temporary measure and not permanent solution.

Each person must do his/her personal health risk assessment under his/her likelihood of exposure and the consequences for not taking the current vaccine. I did mine. Malaysia just recorded highest number of daily infection today (9353 new cases).  I live in the state among other states in Malaysia that has the highest daily cases of infection.

Wallahualam.

[justAnothermuslim]

On 7/10/2021 at 10:19 PM, layman said:

Salam...

Current vaccines are not to make our body immune system able to protect from all variants of SARS COV-2 spike proteins.  Each vaccine is effective to specific earlier variants. Mutations of these viruses are  concerns to be addressed.  I believe more new vaccines / methods are needed to address more contagious mutants.

Having say so, will it beneficial to make our body immune system (using currently available vaccines) to fight the current covid19 (not new mutants).  I would say yes because majority of infected persons in my country are not yet related to new covid19 mutants.

Wassalam

I see. The stated efficacy of mRNA vaccines are 94.1 and 95.1%. This is the Relative Risk Reduction (RRR).

What’s unknown to us the Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR). Maybe the article below can help us make an informed decision.

1. https://www.mdpi.com/1648-9144/57/3/199/htm

Relative risk reduction and absolute risk reduction measures in the evaluation of clinical trial data are poorly understood by health professionals and the public. The absence of reported absolute risk reduction in COVID-19 vaccine clinical trials can lead to outcome reporting bias that affects the interpretation of vaccine efficacy. The present article uses clinical epidemiologic tools to critically appraise reports of efficacy in Pfzier/BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 mRNA vaccine clinical trials.

Based on data reported by the manufacturer for Pfzier/BioNTech vaccine BNT162b2, this critical appraisal shows: relative risk reduction, 95.1%; 95% CI, 90.0% to 97.6%; p = 0.016; absolute risk reduction, 0.7%; 95% CI, 0.59% to 0.83%; p < 0.000.

For the Moderna vaccine mRNA-1273, the appraisal shows: relative risk reduction, 94.1%; 95% CI, 89.1% to 96.8%; p = 0.004; absolute risk reduction, 1.1%; 95% CI, 0.97% to 1.32%; p < 0.000.

Unreported absolute risk reduction measures of 0.7% and 1.1% for the Pfzier/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, respectively, are very much lower than the reported relative risk reduction measures. Reporting absolute risk reduction measures is essential to prevent outcome reporting bias in evaluation of COVID-19 vaccine efficacy

2. https://trialsitenews.com/cdcs-biased-undercount-of-covid-19-breakthrough-infections/

First, the mRNA vaccines’ absolute risk reduction of COVID-19 is approximately 1%, not 95%. Medicina | Free Full-Text | Outcome Reporting Bias in COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Clinical Trials (mdpi.com). In clinical terms, this means that as many as 99% of fully vaccinated people could potentially develop breakthrough infections.

On 7/10/2021 at 10:19 PM, layman said:

 

In my opinions we have two approaches on Covid19.

1.  Good body immune system that can produce strong and sufficient antibody to fight all new mutants. 

 

Totally with you.

https://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/en22122

"Do you suppose that you are only a small body, while the macrocosm is placed within you?"

On 7/10/2021 at 10:19 PM, layman said:

2.  Drugs that can kill all type of Covid19 mutants if our body immune system failed to provide adequate protection.

If our body immune system is weak, no amount of vaccine can make it stronger. However I believe, proper diet can help make it stronger.

Drugs can help but what I find as quite odd, unlike other diseases in the world, c19 has no early out-patient treatment recommended by CDC/WHO. I wonder why…

[layman]

On 7/12/2021 at 10:05 PM, justAnothermuslim said:

Wassalam

I see. The stated efficacy of mRNA vaccines are 94.1 and 95.1%. This is the Relative Risk Reduction (RRR).

What’s unknown to us the Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR). Maybe the article below can help us make an informed decision.

 

RRR is when you compare you own risk reduction to others.  ARR is when you compare the risk reduction to your own risk to begin with.  This is my understanding the difference between RRR and ARR.

That is why i mentioned earlier that I am looking at my own health condition (age, medical history, diet, ....).  All this to satisfy my own self on the size of my own risk.  Then, I would decide on taking the vaccine as to reduce my personal own risk.  RRR does not give true picture when the risk is highly specific to me.  The true ARR is at individual level.  That is why many refused to take vaccine. Their perceived ARR is not what they expected.

Life is full of risk and we have to do our own calculation to estimate the risk.  End of the day, each person must estimate his/her own tolerability risk level  based on information that available.  We are not perfect. Deep inside the self, we must have trust and hope in Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to show us the right path.  Only Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) know the exact risk level.

On 7/12/2021 at 10:05 PM, justAnothermuslim said:

If our body immune system is weak, no amount of vaccine can make it stronger. However I believe, proper diet can help make it stronger.

Drugs can help but what I find as quite odd, unlike other diseases in the world, c19 has no early out-patient treatment recommended by CDC/WHO. I wonder why…

Scientists around the globe are looking for Drugs / means that can kill the C19 (including variants) in human body and not through our immune system.  I hope there will be break through.  We don't know.   I would not rely too much on CDC/WHO.

Wallahualam.

[justAnothermuslim]

On 7/13/2021 at 5:32 PM, layman said:

RRR is when you compare you own risk reduction to others.  ARR is when you compare the risk reduction to your own risk to begin with.  This is my understanding the difference between RRR and ARR.

That is why i mentioned earlier that I am looking at my own health condition (age, medical history, diet, ....).  All this to satisfy my own self on the size of my own risk.  Then, I would decide on taking the vaccine as to reduce my personal own risk.  RRR does not give true picture when the risk is highly specific to me.  The true ARR is at individual level.  That is why many refused to take vaccine. Their perceived ARR is not what they expected.

Life is full of risk and we have to do our own calculation to estimate the risk.  End of the day, each person must estimate his/her own tolerability risk level  based on information that available.  We are not perfect. Deep inside the self, we must have trust and hope in Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to show us the right path.  Only Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) know the exact risk level.

Sounds more like a risk-benefit analysis to me.

Anyhow, here’s what fact-checker says about ARR and RRR.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-thelancet-riskreduction-idUSL2N2NK1XA

Indeed, a very confusing world to live in.

[Diaz]

First delta COVID and now Lambda COVID? This is really scary, may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) protect us all.

[musa shakr]

I'm fully vaccinated

[Mohamad Abdel-Hamid]

I took the vaccine today. Inshallah in 21 days I'm gonna get the 2nd dosis.

[Hameedeh]

Missouri has a very low rate in getting the covid-19 vaccine, so it is spreading fast. The Kansas City metropolitan area (in both Missouri and Kansas) is getting worse. The virus spreads itself to everyone without a doubt. A 57 year old man said his 59 year old brother was in the hospital and unconscious. He had stubbornly not taken the vaccine and when his grandson got covid from a caregiver (daycare or babysitter while the parents were at work) by the time the family found out that the woman was ill and the little boy also had covid, they understood that the boy had already infected his grandfather. Within two weeks time, this happened.

[Diaz]

Alhamdulillah today I took my first dose, which is AstraZeneca. My father did some nepotism tho xP 

[Haji 2003]

Remember if you don't take the vaccine because it is experimental, you are still in the experiment albeit you're the control sample.

[Mohamad Abdel-Hamid]

I took the 2nd dose . As did my brother and mom. My dad will take it this Saturday Inshallah.

[Diaz]

Alhamdulillah, my 14 years old brother took this first dose yesterday, today my mother will get her second dose inshallah. 
 

I think majority of us are vaccined, I’m glad. 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Diaz

[Diaz]

@Ashvazdanghe brother did u get your vaccine? The situation in Iran is really scary. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, Diaz said:

@Ashvazdanghe brother did u get your vaccine? The situation in Iran is really scary. 

No , I have not gotten vaccine  yet due to being in queque which based on age of people  anyway thank you for your concern about Iran & me.

[Diaz]

3 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

No , I have not gotten vaccine  yet due to being in queque which based on age of people  anyway thank you for your concern about Iran & me.

I see, anyway take care. 

[Abdul-Hadi]

I got it months ago. All that happened was that I was sleepy for two days and my arm felt like I had been lifting weights.

Seriously, that's all that happened. No magnets are sticking to me or anything, I haven't become a liberal atheist, etc.

[313_Waiter]

1 minute ago, Abdul-Hadi said:

I got it months ago. All that happened was that I was sleepy for two days and my arm felt like I had been lifting weights.

Seriously, that's all that happened. No magnets are sticking to me or anything, I haven't become a liberal atheist, etc.

Yes but what about long term effects like if a new strain comes 

[Abdul-Hadi]

3 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

Yes but what about long term effects like if a new strain comes 

There's already a new strain: the delta variant or whatever it is. Supposedly even if you've been vaccinated, you can get what's called a "breakthrough infection" and still potentially die. So I still carry hand sanitizer with me and wear a mask when I go out.

I personally am not trying to die yet.

[Diaz]

Does anyone knows about the 3rd dose for people who got Pfizer? My uncle said there is a news for people who will get the 3rd dose. 

[Diaz]

Alhamdulillah, today I took my second dose, I’m fully vaccinated now 

 

My sisters and my parent are full vaccinated as well, alhamdulillah. My younger brother is still waiting for his first dose, he lives abroad while my youngest brother took his first shot few weeks ago, waiting for his second after few weeks.

[Sumerian]

To be fair one has to figure out if the cure has become worse than the virus itself.

Just look at the pathetic overreaching restrictions implemented in some of the cities of my country, Australia.

[Sirius_Bright]

Side effects are real. I became less active on SC after taking both dose. Even while writing this, my fingers are tReMbLiNg. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Side effects are real. I became less active on SC after taking both dose. Even while writing this, my fingers are tReMbLiNg. 

I became less active on SC right after getting COVID, almost left the place. 

My unvaccinated cousin get got out of ICU, she is still on oxygen though.

[notme]

2 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Side effects are real. I became less active on SC after taking both dose. Even while writing this, my fingers are tReMbLiNg. 

Side effects last a day or at most two. Catching covid can take weeks or months to recover, or you might die. 

[Sirius_Bright]

47 minutes ago, notme said:

Side effects last a day or at most two. Catching covid can take weeks or months to recover, or you might die. 

I'm joking. Me and my parents are fully vaccinated and absolutely fine. No side-effects Alhamdulillah. Getting vaccinated is not an option anymore. 

 

[Sirius_Bright]

1 hour ago, starlight said:

My unvaccinated cousin get got out of ICU, she is still on oxygen though

One of my colleague got covid, was in a hospital for 2 months and 1 month later in the meeting, we still see him with oxygen pipe. 

[Sumerian]

I am not anti-vaccine. You should get the vaccine to save yourself from infection, and if your healthy and not worried about potential infection, you can also potentially save another soul by reducing potential transmission.

My issue is with the excessive restrictions. Right now there areas in my State, NSW, where there is not even one case, and yet they are under full lockdown.

In some places in Sydney there are places that are under curfew (not allowed out at night, even to get food), no public gatherings at all, no visitors to your house, constant policing at your doorstep, and most people can't even go to work because you need a permit to even travel and go to work - and that only includes "essential and authorised businesses". One guy left his mandatory home quarantine and he became public enemy number one, they literally sent an elite police force just to detain one person. If you are caught outside and police ask you where are you going or what you are doing, you better have a good excuse.

The harshest of the restrictions are happening in also the most low-income and multicultural parts of Sydney.

This story even made international news, look how nonsensical this response is:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/rescue-dogs-shot-dead-by-nsw-council-due-to-covid-19-restrictions-20210821-p58ksh.html

For those interested in what the restrictions are, this is some rundown;

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/10/nsw-covid-19-lockdown-restrictions-sydney-suburbs-regional-new-south-wales-lgas-act-canberra-update-coronavirus-face-mask-rules-explained-5km-radius-travel-masks

Same story goes for Melbourne, in fact their response is even worse and more extreme.

People and businesses are hurting like crazy, and that was all done in the pursuit of Covid Zero (which has been abandoned, thankfully). This was beyond flattening the curve or stopping hospitals being overrun, this was politicians giving health officials the power to implement whatever they want as law, with the use of super police powers and the military.

Edited September 11, 2021 by Sumerian