Are you going to take the vaccine?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

a graduate of the University of Toronto and the Harvard Medical School are just some doctors who recommend treating covid with vitamin C. that’s only one of the treatments that people are being recommended. Your a doctor but don’t know this?

Vitamin C generally improves the immune function, that's ALL. It NOT a treatment for COVID. It's also not something that is being hidden as you were implying, Doctors have been advising people to take vitamin C since last yr as a protective measure.  So what other magic treatments are hiding that public aren't being made aware of???

Go and do a little reading and stop wasting everyone's time here.

Some of your lot were debating yesterday, bringing up death statistics and to prove there wasn't even a pandemic. 

[Guest]

@Syed.Dynasty   

"You speak a infinite deal of nothing" - William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

Not going to waste any more time.

[F.M]

9 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

With all due respect, you should that I know and I am aware of this fact: Being a pharmacist does not make you experienced in immunology and I think it is quite incredible that someone of your background has fallen for anti-vax conspiracies on the Internet. There are many medical books and papers on immunology and the efficacy of vaccines. 

being a doctor does also not make you a immunologist. and yes nurses do have experience because we can work everywhere and and acquire knowledge there. we can also work in hospitals specialised in allergy/immunology. while doctors are specializing but we are generalising. we can easilly work as allergy/immunology nurses. btw i have no idea if you are aware of it but its in fact the doctors that really do nothing but we do all the work and we see the patients, we treat them. The doctors are only sitting in their offices. 

and i have no idea what youre talking about? since when does pharmacology has nothing to do with that? we know the best who makes those vaccins and where they come from. 

[F.M]

9 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

There are many medical books and papers on immunology and the efficacy of vaccines. 

yeah there is aso more then anough evidence that people have abused the law of healing. how many times did it hapen that a small pandemic came out and the western world proposed vaccines and eventually they contained diseases on purpose. and caused mass death. Lets also not forget how the hate for the world has also raised and wherby the world is literally falling appart. tells enough we have a laughing third somewhere hiding.

we dont have problems with vaccins. we find it suspicious that the world suddenly promotes freaking everywhere vaccins and make the whole corona thing that dramatic (you and all other people have nothing to say because you all proved you have not a real image of what is happening in hospitals except what media says) history is repeating itself and that is not conspiracy theory. 

I AM soo done with people calling the ones terrorists who are working in hospitals and see everything what you dont see exept what media shows you. learn how to respect US.  I dont care if one or another doctor is claiming stuff in here, that doesnt make her an immunologist or someone who treats patients and actually have a personal talk with them because no one does that except the nurses even the specialized doctors dont see things what we see now you can completelly forget a normal doctor who is sitting all time in office. 

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by F.M

[F.M]

4 hours ago, starlight said:

Another thing I would like to add is that while you people are presenting death rate as the only parameter to gauge disease severity, but there are also post COVID complications that could give rise to another pandemic (of sorts) some years from now.

the questions right now is also comming then what is the point now of the vaccine?? becaus i am not giving myself a cocktail of many many vaccins. i have had that in the past because it was recommended to vaccin youre self for soo many things because it was recommended if you wanted to work in healthcare/hospital etc.. and it caused me to get sooo ill i couldn't get out of my bed.

and second point. viruses are always changing and a covid vaccine is around 24 weeks valid. i am absolutely not going to take 10 vaccins after each other. thats also useless because the virus is also changing itself all time. 

4 hours ago, starlight said:

but there are also post COVID complications that could give rise to another pandemic (of sorts) some years from now. Almost one third of the patients with severe COVID go on to develop lung fibrosis, a pathological change in the lung tissue that could be a harbinger of restrictive lung disease in the person

covid is pretty new soo how do they already now what can happen after the recovery even after years?????. same would apply with the vaccines, they are also new and still lots questions are unknown. 

4 hours ago, starlight said:

A decade from now we could have a surge of patients who had COVID and recovered but now developed chronic lung disease and hypoxia requiring oxygen therapy. Fibrosis and resulting restrictive lung disease are not treatable or reversible and the only thing that can be done is supportive management. 

all diseases and treatments have conditions that can develop after healing. same with cancer patients, same with normal flu, same with drug side effects and same with various other diseases and last but not least same is with smoking sigaretes all the time 

and after all if the ilness can cause these things, who says that the covid vaccin dont? lots questions are also unknown. and it came soo fast on the market how did they do soo fast research where is the information based on??

Edited April 27, 2021 by F.M

[F.M]

7 hours ago, Muhammed Ali said:

NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

 

because everyone knows that around 3 million in total are dead from end 2019 tot 2021. get youre facts straight together

[F.M]

7 hours ago, Muhammed Ali said:

Read the big red text on that page:

NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

You people need to learn to be careful. @Syed.Dynasty another mistake. Like I told you before: If we scrutinize your claims with care, you will see a lot of mistakes. And that is the case for all of your people.

are you forgetting this one????

HEALTH

4,113,445Communicable disease deaths this year

155,806Seasonal flu deaths this year

2,408,504Deaths of children under 5 this year

13,502,478Abortions this year

97,939Deaths of mothers during birth this year

42,663,911HIV/AIDS infected people

532,669Deaths caused by HIV/AIDS this year

2,602,384Deaths caused by cancer this year

124,952Deaths caused by malaria this year

10,775,388,571Cigarettes smoked today

1,584,016Deaths caused by smoking this year

792,508Deaths caused by alcohol this year

339,789Suicides this year

427,734Road traffic accident fatalities this year

total death corona since it got discovered= 3,11 million world wide!!

 

scources"

https://www.worldometers.info/

Statistics death by corona

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even if you counted the corona damage together it wouldnt even reach death roll as much as the previous years. 

maybe they did it on purpose? to hide how low the damage of corona is? 

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[Guest]

[lissenma]

Getting the vaccine will not protect you from corona.
I know people who got 2 doses and still got it weeks after.

 

If you are meant to die, then you will die no matter if you get vaccine or not.

Edited April 27, 2021 by lissenma

[Gaius I. Caesar]

1 hour ago, F.M said:

we dont have problems with vaccins. we find it suspicious that the world suddenly promotes freaking everywhere vaccins and make the whole corona thing that dramatic (you and all other people have nothing to say because you all proved you have not a real image of what is happening in hospitals except what media says)

No, what I find really suspicious is: 1. Doctors supporting anti-vaccination theories, after certain political leaders around the world have down-played COVID-19 as nothing more than "a sniffle" and 2. You , @Syed.Dynasty, @BlueInk and @Allah Seeker just being hell-bent on spreading misinformed ideas about how dangerous vaccines are, while people in India are dying in a middle of a surge of COVID-19. Do you where I first saw most of these conspiracies and ideas about vaccines on? 4chan, via Reddit, one of the slimmest and darkest recesses of the Internet. That is where most of this conspiracy garbage comes from.  You know that the media, especially Western media likes to portray ideas, events or stories in ways that are dramatic or grossly exaggerated; Yet you parrot them while telling me that I don't have a real image of what's going on.

 

2 hours ago, F.M said:

and i have no idea what youre talking about? since when does pharmacology has nothing to do with that? we know the best who makes those vaccins and where they come from. 

Let's not fool ourselves here, a pharmacist is essentially a glorified and legalized drug dealer; You take prescriptions, check the stock and give us the needed dosage/pills as prescribed. If you are a pharmacist, you are probably aren't going to be dealing with anything pertaining to vaccinology.

[Syed.Dynasty]

11 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

No, what I find really suspicious is: 1. Doctors supporting anti-vaccination theories, after certain political leaders around the world have down-played COVID-19 as nothing more than "a sniffle" and 2. You , @Syed.Dynasty, @BlueInk and @Allah Seeker just being hell-bent on spreading misinformed ideas about how dangerous vaccines are, while people in India are dying in a middle of a surge of COVID-19. Do you where I first saw most of these conspiracies and ideas about vaccines on? 4chan, via Reddit, one of the slimmest and darkest recesses of the Internet. That is where most of this conspiracy garbage comes from.  You know that the media, especially Western media likes to portray ideas, events or stories in ways that are dramatic or grossly exaggerated; Yet you parrot them while telling me that I don't have a real image of what's going on.

I have posted nothing from those sites that you’ve mentioned. Everything I’ve posted I’ve literally posted the names of the doctors who said it. You just wanna ignore that tho and blindly follow the little box in the corner of your room. I’m not saying there isn’t a problem in India right now, I’m saying don’t blindly trust these big pharmaceutical companies to experiment on you. 
 

What are the treatment methods being used in India right now to treat those infected?

26 minutes ago, lissenma said:

Getting the vaccine will not protect you from corona.
I know people who got 2 doses and still got it weeks after.

 

That’s crazy this is the only thing the vaccines claim to do, and your saying in some cases it doesn’t even do that?

Edited April 27, 2021 by Syed.Dynasty

[F.M]

21 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Let's not fool ourselves here, a pharmacist is essentially a glorified and legalized drug dealer; You take prescriptions, check the stock and give us the needed dosage/pills as prescribed. If you are a pharmacist, you are probably aren't going to be dealing with anything pertaining to vaccinology.

a normal doctor either. at least evryone in the pharmacy knows about pharmacology and that is linked to on another. and we all know of what substenaces everythin is made and soo further... 

then why would a normal dr  be seen as high will he is himself not specialised in immunology

lets also not forget that at the end the pharmaceutic scientists also work together with the other scientists to create new and better medicines to cure diseases, so youre define tally connected.

and no i am not pharmaceut because i changed my studies. but i worked in the pharmacy and did my internships and studied it for years

Edited April 27, 2021 by F.M

[F.M]

21 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

No, what I find really suspicious is: 1. Doctors supporting anti-vaccination theories, after certain political leaders around the world have down-played COVID-19 as nothing more than "a sniffle"

what has certain political leaders to do with it??

[Syed.Dynasty]

7 minutes ago, F.M said:

what has certain political leaders to do with it??

Lol he’s trying to imply that we are trump supporters. Typical liberal accusation.

Edited April 27, 2021 by Syed.Dynasty

[F.M]

33 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

and 2. You , @Syed.Dynasty, @BlueInk and @Allah Seeker just being hell-bent on spreading misinformed ideas about how dangerous vaccines are, while people in India are dying in a middle of a surge of COVID-19. Do you where I first saw most of these conspiracies and ideas about vaccines on? 4chan, via Reddit, one of the slimmest and darkest recesses of the Internet. That is where most of this conspiracy garbage comes from.  You know that the media, especially Western media likes to portray ideas, events or stories in ways that are dramatic or grossly exaggerated; Yet you parrot them while telling me that I don't have a real image of what's going on.

which conspiracy theories do i send and use?? yallah name it. I only sended facts. 

what is wrong with not taking the vaccine because we want to wait also I see more then enough what happens with patients. But obviously i cant reveal everything because there is at the end no proof exept my own witness after working in hospital. 

its not me that follow constantly what the dramatic media is saying. according to media we muslims are also all terrorists and opressing women!! are the ones who deny that called "conspiracy theory thinkers?" answer me!

 

[Haji 2003]

3 hours ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Lol me saying that people are getting extremely pressured to take an experimental vaccine that has the potential to

If you look at the risks attached to widely available drugs you'd also say oof.

I posted yesterday an article about doctors in India who were hesitant about the vaccine at the end of Jan. Currently the risk of side-effects is much less than the risk of getting CV19 if you are treating patients.

It would be interesting to go back and ask those doctors about vaccine hesitancy now, if they are still alive.

[Syed.Dynasty]

28 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

If you look at the risks attached to widely available drugs you'd also say oof.

I posted yesterday an article about doctors in India who were hesitant about the vaccine at the end of Jan. Currently the risk of side-effects is much less than the risk of getting CV19 if you are treating patients.

It would be interesting to go back and ask those doctors about vaccine hesitancy now, if they are still alive.

Uhh yea that’s why your supposed ask a physician before using prescription medication as everyone may have a diff reaction. Not five vaccines for the entire population . We have no idea how the Indian government has been handling covid. It’s been obvious for a long time that Modi and his administration have no regard for human life.

[Haji 2003]

12 minutes ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Uhh yea that’s why your supposed ask a physician before using prescription medication as everyone may have a diff reaction.

So the physicians can predict adverse reactions can they? Of course they can't.

They can only tell you what to do when the indications for an adverse reaction start to exhibit themselves, and this is what will happen to people who show adverse reactions to the vaccine.

There is a clear cost/benefit here to waiting for full trial results.

And as the Indian experience is showing we can't afford to wait.

[Syed.Dynasty]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

So the physicians can predict adverse reactions can they? Of course they can't.

They can only tell you what to do when the indications for an adverse reaction start to exhibit themselves, and this is what will happen to people who show adverse reactions to the vaccine.

There is a clear cost/benefit here to waiting for full trial results.

And as the Indian experience is showing we can't afford to wait.

You can’t even tell me how the Indians are treating those who are infected? But your absolutely sure everyone should be vaccinated. 

Physicians can tell you if a prescription is right for you or not, everyone is different. 
 

The deaths attributed to covid in India are 1/5 of the deaths in the US which has like 1/3 of the population of India. What we are seeing is the indian government letting people die by not having adequate care for covid patients. Once again vaccines are not treatments. The modi government has no regard for human life.

Edited April 27, 2021 by Syed.Dynasty

[lissenma]

4 hours ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

That’s crazy this is the only thing the vaccines claim to do, and your saying in some cases it doesn’t even do that?

I know of few cases where this has occured yes.

Edited April 27, 2021 by lissenma

[notme]

6 hours ago, lissenma said:

If you are meant to die, then you will die no matter if you get vaccine or not.

Are you also opposed to seatbelts, motorcycle helmets, workplace safety regulations, building codes, highway safety codes, engineering design, all medicines....

[Sirius_Bright]

Those who think you should not catch corona after taking vaccine does not understand how vaccine works. 

[Sirius_Bright]

Those saying death rate is as good as previous years need to see this. People have to get token and book slots to cremate their dead. Parking lot in Gurgaon turned into makeshift crematorium. 

[Haji 2003]

4 hours ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

What we are seeing is the indian government letting people die by not having adequate care for covid patients.

Looking through the timeline of your posts on Shiachat I can see you posted in April 2020 and then there seems to be a complete absence of posts until April 2021. 

So I can't really tell what your views have been about how the pandemic should be managed.

[Cool]

I voted affirmative.

Infact I have developed my own vaccine since the very beginning of this pandemic and it is proved 100% effective for me Alhamdolillah.

I take the vaccine shot twice daily. And its been more than a year using this vaccine. 

[Gaius I. Caesar]

7 hours ago, Syed.Dynasty said:

Lol he’s trying to imply that we are trump supporters. Typical liberal accusation.

No, I'm not, I also see this attitude in people who support Jair Bolsonaro or really any kind of right wing populist as well.

[F.M]

8 hours ago, lissenma said:

Getting the vaccine will not protect you from corona.
I know people who got 2 doses and still got it weeks after.

 

If you are meant to die, then you will die no matter if you get vaccine or not.

well said. people dont unerstand this either.

i have also met waay to many people who still got corona after they did vaccine

[F.M]

54 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Those saying death rate is as good as previous years need to see this. People have to get token and book slots to cremate their dead. Parking lot in Gurgaon turned into makeshift crematorium. 

 

how about yemen??

how about central africa?

how about iraq?

how about afghanistan?

How about syria?

how about sudan?

lets also not forget how these people even got it more hard and it breaks my heart that the corona lockdown did such an impact to them. they dont deserve this torture. All these and even more countries are falling appart as well as financially as material.

more and more people are turning homeless and in my country we gathered people together to help them. 

its egoistic to only look at the dramatic media. while in fact lots people have it extreme hard and struggling in this time

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by F.M

[lissenma]

1 hour ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Those who think you should not catch corona after taking vaccine does not understand how vaccine works. 

then what's the point of the vaccine lol.

[lissenma]

6 hours ago, notme said:

Are you also opposed to seatbelts, motorcycle helmets, workplace safety regulations, building codes, highway safety codes, engineering design, all medicines....

No that would be being stupid.

[Sirius_Bright]

7 minutes ago, F.M said:

how about yemen??

how about central africa?

how about iraq?

how about afghanistan?

How about syria?

how about sudan?

lets also not forget how these people even got it more hard and it breaks my heart that the corona lockdown did such an impact to them. they dont deserve this torture. All these and even more countries are falling appart as well as financially as material.

more and more people are turning homeless and in my country we gathered people together to help them. 

its egoistic to only look at the dramatic media. while in fact lots people have it extreme hard and struggling in this time

 

Are you referring to ongoing wars in that country? 

[Sirius_Bright]

9 minutes ago, lissenma said:

then what's the point of the vaccine lol.

[lissenma]

3 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

 

1 hour ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Those who think you should not catch corona after taking vaccine does not understand how vaccine works. 

 

Bro/sis
Just tell me what the point of taking the vaccine is if I still can get infected. No need to watch the video.

[Sirius_Bright]

Just now, lissenma said:

No need to watch the video.

Please watch the video. If you don't understand let me know I'll explain. 

[F.M]

14 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Are you referring to ongoing wars in that country? 

i think you arent even aware of what is happening world wide, that is a shame and sad, it proofs that you only follow media. and it doesnt show what really is happening and how lots people are even more struggling then before 

Edited April 27, 2021 by F.M