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Are you going to take the vaccine?


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Are you going to take the vaccine?  

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  1. 1. Are you going to take the vaccine? Please state a reason as well.



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I’m still not sure if I should take it or no, in the place where I live only 30k+ people took the vaccine. My parents said we should wait more.

what do u guys think?

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l just heard on DeutscheWelle that the Novavax will not be available in the US until next year. The UK has ordered 60 million of the two-jab vaccine and the EU 400 million.

A nursing student l heard my little sister say said at the hospital he is in, some students, RNs and doctors took a vaccine and some did not.

l'II take one when l get to choose which one l get 'the jab' with.

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I don't have a tendency toward allergies, so yes, absolutely I will as soon as it becomes available to me. 

I'm in a category which is being vaccinated in my region (health conditions - I'm fat) but my doctor's office has a limited number of shots available and is reserving them for patients over 65. Since I rarely leave my house even without a pandemic, I don't mind waiting, but getting it would be one less thing to worry about. 

I do recommend people with a history of allergic reaction talk with their allergist and primary care physician before getting vaccinated. 

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5 hours ago, Diaz said:

I’m still not sure if I should take it or no, in the place where I live only 30k+ people took the vaccine. My parents said we should wait more.

what do u guys think?

Personally, I will never ever do this mistake.

In India, it is not at all safe. People have died after taking vaccine. None of the politician has taken it. No guaranttee, no security nothing.

The government is not covering up any bills or taking any responsibility. In fact, they are forcing people to take it.

I have not seen a tyrant like Modi honestly.

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On 1/29/2021 at 2:16 PM, Qambar1 said:

Bro India is one of the largest vaccine producers in the world.They are one the few countries with wide expertise in vaccine development.Dont make it political issue.2 millions+ people has been vaccinated so far and as far I know nobody died from vaccine.

Bro. People have died you don't know. I will share you the sources. Just wait. 

And there is no coverage on the vaccine from the side of govt. Politicians take vaccines before the people but here the politicians have refused from taking it. Also, if something happens after taking the vaccine it would rest upon the people only. So, it is highly risky.

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14 hours ago, Zainuu said:

In India, it is not at all safe. People have died after taking vaccine

I want to know if there are any such reports that people are dying from vaccine in India or maybe you are spreading misinformation like some politicians are doing. 

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Prognosis

India Has Plenty of Coronavirus Vaccines But Few Takers

India’s domestic vaccine program administers one of two shots: the AstraZeneca Plc vaccine, manufactured by the Serum Institute of India Ltd., or the Covaxin shot developed by Bharat Biotech International Ltd., a private company based in Hyderabad. India’s approval of the Bharat Biotech shot, which was developed with government-backed research groups, was met with widespread criticism from scientists because of the lack of complete data.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-26/india-s-unusual-vaccine-problem-plenty-of-shots-but-few-takers

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Feature

Covid-19: India is at centre of global vaccine manufacturing, but opacity threatens public trust

A tale of two vaccines

Of the two vaccines approved, Covishield is the better known. It’s a version of the Oxford University-AstraZeneca vaccine that was found to have an average efficacy of 70.4% in a peer reviewed study. Covishield is an Indian version made by the world’s largest vaccines manufacturer, the Serum Institute of India, and phase III trials on an Indian cohort have begun, with 1600 people enrolled in November

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n196

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"Of the two reported deaths, the death of a 52-year male from Moradabad, Uttar Pradesh, who was vaccinated on January 16 and died on evening of January 17, is not related to vaccination as per the post mortem report," the ministry said in a statement adding the death was caused due to cardiopulmonary disease.

The second death was of a 43-year-old male in the southern state of Karnataka. He was vaccinated on January 16 and died today, reports our New Delhi correspondent.

"The cause of death is anterior wall infarction with cardiopulmonary failure. The post-mortem is scheduled today at Vijayanagar Institute of Medical Sciences, Bellary, Karnataka," the statement said.

A total of 580 cases of adverse events of the vaccination have been reported so far, the ministry said adding out of these, seven required hospitalisation.

https://www.thedailystar.net/india/news/2-die-after-getting-covid-19-vaccine-india-2029961

56 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

I want to know if there are any such reports that people are dying from vaccine in India or maybe you are spreading misinformation like some politicians are doing. 

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TB vaccine averts severe infections, deaths from Covid-19: Study
The BCG vaccine protects against disseminated TB and meningitis in childhood, but doesn’t offer protection from adult pulmonary TB, which has led to several countries discontinuing its use.

The inexpensive and widely-used Bacillus Calmette–Guerin (BCG) vaccine that protects against childhood tuberculosis also prevents severe infection and death from coronavirus disease (Covid-19), concluded two peer-reviewed studies released last week, including one led by Indian researchers from the Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) Delhi.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news

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Death of Covaxin volunteer 'not related' to vaccine trials: Bharat Biotech

Bharat Biotech has said that the probable cause of death of a 42-year-old volunteer was cardio respiratory failure as a result of suspected poisoning.

https://www.dnaindia.com/health/report-death-of-covaxin-volunteer-not-related-to-vaccine-trials-bharat-biotech-2867064

 

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A total of 580 cases of adverse events of the vaccination have been reported so far, the ministry said adding out of these, seven required hospitalisation.

https://www.thedailystar.net/india/news/2-die-after-getting-covid-19-vaccine-india-2029961

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447 reported adverse effects after Covid-19 vaccination, 3 hospitalised: Govt

The health ministry also lauded vaccinators for ensuring that India inoculated more people compared to other countries on the first day of its vaccination.

“A total of 447 adverse events following immunisation (AEFI) reported so far, of which only three cases required hospitalisation,” Manohar Agnani, a senior health ministry official, was quoted as saying by news agency PTI. Agnani said that most of the adverse events following immunisation (AEFI), which were reported, were minor cases such as fever, headache and nausea.

The Delhi government had said on Saturday that 52 people who had been administered the Covid-19 vaccine had reported adverse event post-inoculation. Out of these 52, one case was deemed serious by doctors. The other 51 beneficiaries were discharged after they recovered.

Telangana also reported 11 cases of adverse events on the first day of the vaccination drive and West Bengal reported 14 such cases on the same day.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/health/447-people-reported-adverse-effects-after-vaccination-only-3-hospitalised-govt-101610895728760.html

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On 1/30/2021 at 3:52 AM, Sirius_Bright said:

I want to know if there are any such reports that people are dying from vaccine in India or maybe you are spreading misinformation like some politicians are doing. 

 

On 1/29/2021 at 2:16 PM, Qambar1 said:

Bro India is one of the largest vaccine producers in the world.They are one the few countries with wide expertise in vaccine development.Dont make it political issue.2 millions+ people has been vaccinated so far and as far I know nobody died from vaccine.

A man of MP was chosen for the human trial of the vaccine without his knowledge or formal consent. After he took the vaccine he died. The administration and police says that he took poison while his family, neighbors and everyone related to him say a different story. 

Extreme lack of transparency. 

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38 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

A man of MP was chosen for the human trial of the vaccine without his knowledge or formal consent. After he took the vaccine he died. The administration and police says that he took poison while his family, neighbors and everyone related to him say a different story. 

Extreme lack of transparency.

If 1 million take vaccine and 50 die then those 50 were mostly going to die because people die everyday due to multiple reasons, it could not always be related to a vaccine. There could be few among 50 dying due to vaccine but that is out of 1 million. You cannot go against it based on 1 or 2 case. 

Also, these vaccines are very new and has not passed through all the stringent tests and studies that a normal vaccine should because we are running against time. Still these are trustworthy and can be used considering phase 1 and 2 trial volunteers are still alive. Little risk is always there even from the prescribed medicines you take. 

Different vaccines have different side effects. The side effects outweighed the risk posed by the disease therefore vaccine is given and then the side effects are treated.

Healthcare workers are hesitant because these vaccines have not published phase 3 results (or not conducted). But to say these are dangerous and people are dying and Modi wants to kill everyone and there's a chip inside vaccine to control your mind is spreading misinformation. The billionaire owner of Serum Institute of India, vaccine producing company has himself taken the vaccine. 

The mutating virus pose even greater risk of rendering current vaccine useless and we have to start all over again. You can become a carrier and spread the disease and may be questioned on the day of Judgement. 

Search '29 elders die after taking Pfizer vaccine in Norway', if you still feel - 'In India, it is not at all safe'. 

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1 hour ago, Sirius_Bright said:

If 1 million take vaccine and 50 die then those 50 were mostly going to die because people die everyday due to multiple reasons, it could not always be related to a vaccine. There could be few among 50 dying due to vaccine but that is out of 1 million. You cannot go against it based on 1 or 2 case. 

Also, these vaccines are very new and has not passed through all the stringent tests and studies that a normal vaccine should because we are running against time. Still these are trustworthy and can be used considering phase 1 and 2 trial volunteers are still alive. Little risk is always there even from the prescribed medicines you take. 

Different vaccines have different side effects. The side effects outweighed the risk posed by the disease therefore vaccine is given and then the side effects are treated.

Healthcare workers are hesitant because these vaccines have not published phase 3 results (or not conducted). But to say these are dangerous and people are dying and Modi wants to kill everyone and there's a chip inside vaccine to control your mind is spreading misinformation. The billionaire owner of Serum Institute of India, vaccine producing company has himself taken the vaccine. 

The mutating virus pose even greater risk of rendering current vaccine useless and we have to start all over again. You can become a carrier and spread the disease and may be questioned on the day of Judgement. 

Search '29 elders die after taking Pfizer vaccine in Norway', if you still feel - 'In India, it is not at all safe'. 

I don't think you saw the video. So, you don't need to write sooo long.

By the way, I clearly said that it lacks transparency. And the details of this statement are there in the clip.

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1 hour ago, Sirius_Bright said:

But to say these are dangerous and people are dying and Modi wants to kill everyone and there's a chip inside vaccine to control your mind is spreading misinformation.

I didn't say any of this. 

I just said that people died. And the way it is being given to the people is highly risky. Because there is no assurance or coverage. You don't know India. The govt. did nothing for those businesses who were destroyed in lockdown and those people who lost there jobs in lockdown. Simply nothing. Even the expenses of the COVID tests were taken up by the individuals themselves at great expenses. These issues are huge here in India.

Govt. is not killing in this context but govt is not even taking any responsibility to assure the lives and wellbeing of the people. Neither they provide any support to the family of the people who are loosing lives.

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5 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

I don't think you saw the video. So, you don't need to write sooo long

Seen many such videos and reports. Also, there's no restriction to write any length. 

5 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

By the way, I clearly said that it lacks transparency. And the details of this statement are there in the clip

Yes, it does lack. They didn't even published phase 3 trials doesn't mean you will post a generalize statements. 

4 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

I didn't say any of this

You said one out of those. Rest of the things people are saying in different parts of the world. Together, they spun web of misinformation. Google how many have become polio handicap because they think polio vaccine will make them impotent. 

7 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

And the way it is being given to the people is highly risky. Because there is no assurance or coverage.

All Covid vaccine is given in the similar manner. All are fast tracked, lack of testing, data and transparency. It's not something unique to India. 

9 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

You don't know India

I live in the very place and know how people and opposition spread propaganda even against good things. The government has done enough bad but not everything is a conspiracy.  

11 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

The govt. did nothing for those businesses who were destroyed in lockdown and those people who lost there jobs in lockdown. Simply nothing. Even the expenses of the COVID tests were taken up by the individuals themselves at great expenses. These issues are huge here in India.

They did very little and seeing an opportunity they pocketed more than they do in normal times. They are corrupt to the core. About testing expense, it must be different for every state. Government testing and treatment was free, private wasn't. 

14 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

Govt. is not killing in this context but govt is not even taking any responsibility to assure the lives and wellbeing of the people. Neither they provide any support to the family of the people who are loosing lives.

Current government survives on propaganda from media and IT cell and does little for the people, I agree. But Modi won't kill people through vaccine, it would be disastrous for him in both Rajyasabha and Loksabha elections. On top of that, free vaccine is a good thing coming from the government. We are not the first recipients so we can wait and watch if we are hesitant.

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27 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

You said one out of those. Rest of the things people are saying in different parts of the world. Together, they spun web of misinformation

Yes I said that because it is true. 

27 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

It's not something unique to India. 

Definitely not unique but also it is not so usual and common.

27 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

live in the very place and know how people and opposition spread propaganda even against good things.

I didn't say it is a conspiracy. You are putting words in the mouth.

27 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

But Modi won't kill people through vaccine, it would be disastrous for him in both Rajyasabha and Loksabha elections.

Agree. But he has done a lot of things which could have been disastrous but were not. They have a lot of control and monopoly and so they can play with minds. 

27 minutes ago, Sirius_Bright said:

We are not the first recipients so we can wait and watch if we are hesitant.

Yes. That is better. But those who were the first recipients did take a huge risk. As you can refer to the report itself.

By the way, if it's NDTV, it doesn't mean they will only spell propaganda. If it is then prove it fake. 

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55 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

I didn't say it is a conspiracy. You are putting words in the mouth

You didn't say conspiracy, I'm saying because people doubt each & everything and they discredit even if something better is happening. 

55 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

Agree. But he has done a lot of things which could have been disastrous but were not. They have a lot of control and monopoly and so they can play with minds

We are talking about vaccines. His any other evil thing can be discussed in another topic. 

55 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

By the way, if it's NDTV, it doesn't mean they will only spell propaganda. If it is then prove it fake. 

That's the only Indian source I'd trust atm. 

55 minutes ago, Zainuu said:

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Again that's one death among so many people vaccinated. 

Here's the stats: 

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9 people died and 16 hospitalised out of 23,28,779 people vaccinated till now in India, but Additional Secretary, Health, said that none of the deaths are linked to the Covid-19 vaccination

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/india/news/9-people-died-and-16-hospitalised-out-of-2328779-people-vaccinated-till-now-in-india/articleshow/80485548.cms

9 out of 2.3 million is very good at this initial stage though more people hospitalized than what's stated. 

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12 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Definitely I only take homegrown Iranian vaccine

Salam Bro,

Do you know what kind of vaccine?

ls it another mRNA, modified adenovirus or what?

And thanks for the info. l knew both countries are developing their own but that was all.

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3 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

9 out of 2.3 million is very good at this initial stage though more people hospitalized than what's stated.

Is there a reason why these 9 ppl died? 
 

7 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

My sister, my wife, and my mom have already taken it. They took the Pfizer vaccine (2 doses), which is what they are giving now in the US. None of them have grown extra limbs or went crazy. They are all fine (Alhamduillah). I'm going to take it once it becomes available to the general population. 

I think everyone should take it once it becomes available to them. For two reasons

1. There is no evidence that I have seen (and I have done some research on this) that there is a significant risk of side effects, or that this vaccine is a 'conspiracy' or that someone is trying to implant a microchip, etc. We, as muslims, need to operate based on aql (knowledge and rationality), not Thun (conjecture). This is what the Holy Quran and Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام)) teach us

2. We have a duty (Wajib Kafiyya) to do our part to protect the health of the society we live in. By getting the vaccine, we can ensure that we have a much lower probability of getting the virus ourselves and spreading it to others who may have more severe effects from it. So this is part of our social responsibility as a Muslim/a. 

Thank you brother for this info. I want to get it but my parents are against it, I need to wait more.

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13 hours ago, hasanhh said:

Salam Bro,

Do you know what kind of vaccine?

ls it another mRNA, modified adenovirus or what?

And thanks for the info. l knew both countries are developing their own but that was all.

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Regarding the difference between the Iran and Cuba vaccine with the Razi Institute  vaccine which  produced by the Barakat Foundation, Bigleri said: "The Koviran vaccine is an inactivated virus vaccine that has all the viral antigens, but it has been inactivated; While in "Iran and Cuba vaccine"  as well as Razi vaccine, part of the body of viral antigens is used to stimulate the immune system.

He added: "The difference between Pasteur and Razi vaccines is that they are both recombinant, but Pasteur vaccine uses a process in its genetic engineering that makes the vaccine more immunogenic."

https://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/1028426/آخرین-وضعیت-تولید-۳-واکسن-ایرانی-کرونا-اعلام-شد

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombinant_DNA

 

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When l was growing up, my father occasionally said, "you will never cease to be amazed at how stupid people can be."

To wit:  https://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/latest-germany-expects-5m-vaccine-doses-weeks-75579068 

ln short, anti-vaccine protesters blocked the vaccine site at Dodger Stadium.

 

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Some basic data on Variants B.1.1.7; P.1; B.1.351 with map.

lt is also reported today that the P.1 has been found in the Bay Area of California. The map only shows -as yet- Minnesota.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/scientific-brief-emerging-variants.html 

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(I am talking about the whole world not only here) Pls for the people who doesn’t want to take the vaccine, do not post false information about the vaccine without proof or evidence from professional people. Please stop promoting to other people not to take the vaccine and please don’t involve politics in this. Have a nice day everyone.

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l have been posting/saying l wanted the JnJ (Johnson and Johnson) vaccine, yet in one of the articles l posted tonight in the "Covid -the BlG Picture  thread, the JnJ has substantially reduced efficacy in trials with the P.1 variant.

So, as of now, l do not which one l want.

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@hasanhh Brother many people are scared of taking the vaccine because some people are scarring them. A 75 years old woman said she won’t take the vaccine because some old ladies are sharing false information to her about the vaccine. 

On 2/4/2021 at 4:45 PM, hasanhh said:

l have been posting/saying l wanted the JnJ (Johnson and Johnson) vaccine, yet in one of the articles l posted tonight in the "Covid -the BlG Picture  thread, the JnJ has substantially reduced efficacy in trials with the P.1 variant.

So, as of now, l do not which one l want.

I saw in the news that JnJ vaccine works for 75% while phizer vaccine works for 91%.

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