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Corruption of the Quran (and the Torah and Bible)

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As Muslims, we believe that the Torah and Bible were corrupted by man, but that the Quran has not been, as it is under God's protection. When debating with non-Muslims, they find it ridiculous that we believe the Torah and Bible have been corrupted, but the Quran has magically remained untouched.

1) How do we know the Quran is under God's protection for sure?


2) If the Quran is under God's protection, why did he choose to protect the words of the Quran from corruption and not do the same with previous holy texts?

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Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian. [15:9]

Also, some historians have found two Quran fragments which dates back to the seventh century (around or soon after the time of the Prophet). These fragments match up exactly to the chapters 18-20 in the current Quran. The Quran also contains many verses which have spoken about scientific areas and topics (i.e. embryology, origin of life, semen, sperm, iron, stars (including the pulsar star), expansion of the universe, etc.) which match up with today's scientific understanding of these topics, further proving the authenticity of the Quran and that it is the word of God.

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9 hours ago, qumayl said:

they find it ridiculous that we believe the Torah and Bible have been corrupted

It’s not ridiculous it can be proven easily accept many are just arrogant. btw bible means “book” which is a reference to the Torah and injeel gospel(s) being together. 

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9 hours ago, qumayl said:

As Muslims, we believe that the Torah and Bible were corrupted by man, but that the Quran has not been, as it is under God's protection. When debating with non-Muslims, they find it ridiculous that we believe the Torah and Bible have been corrupted, but the Quran has magically remained untouched.

1) How do we know the Quran is under God's protection for sure?


2) If the Quran is under God's protection, why did he choose to protect the words of the Quran from corruption and not do the same with previous holy texts?

1. The Quran has been protected through the tradition of memorization. Haafidh literally means one who guards or protects. The muslimeen who memorized the Qur'an through the generations ensured that any attempted modifications to the written script would immediately be identified 

2. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows best, we cannot attribute reasons with certainty on our own. I could imagine that this is consistent with the tradition of demonstrating through example why something is necessary.

The example of the corruption of previous scriptures justifies the need to send down a new and final scripture. 

The example of people abandoning earlier teachings justifies the requirement to send a final prophet and message. 

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18 hours ago, qumayl said:

1) How do we know the Quran is under God's protection for sure?


2) If the Quran is under God's protection, why did he choose to protect the words of the Quran from corruption and not do the same with previous holy texts?

Salam,

I believe words of God in previous holy texts are all protected in its' original form with Isa (عليه السلام).  Isa (عليه السلام) will return and show the original texts to the people and prove on how the corruption took place.  

Isa (عليه السلام) will bring the Holy Texts in physical written form so people can carbon dated it, scientifically test and verify with most sophisticated methods that it is original and authentic. The Holy Texts will also show no contradiction with Qur'an and also support Qur'an.

Wallahualam,  God knows best.

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4 hours ago, layman said:

believe words of God in previous holy texts are all protected in its' original form with Isa (عليه السلام).  Isa (عليه السلام) will return and show the original texts to the people and prove on how the corruption took place.  

Prophet Isa ((عليه السلام)) has already shown a portion of the corrupted parts in the Torah through the current Gospel although the gospel(s) is has some corruption in it in its current form as is. Also he has taught the disciple shim’on (عليه السلام) a criterion to determine which parts are corrupted and which parts aren’t. 
 

also In the Torah there is a prophecy of the messiah who will come with a new law (I.e the gospel) and also come with a Torah In his hand and he will teach it to the people in a temple in Jerusalem, This is inline with our school of thought. No prophet sent to the children of Israel, after Moses (عليه السلام),  came with a Torah in his hand except they had already memorised it and the only prophet that did “come” with a Torah in his hand is prophet Ezra (Uzair) (عليه السلام) when he wrote down and restored the Torah after When it was lost, technically he didn’t come a Torah in his hand but nevertheless it is probably close enough. 

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On 1/27/2021 at 2:09 AM, Mahdavist said:

The example of the corruption of previous scriptures justifies the need to send down a new and final scripture. 

 

Thanks. Also related to this is the concept of the mustadh’afin (the oppressed). So if a scripture has been corrupted to such an extent that the main teachings no longer remain, and thus the people have no access to the truth then they could be re-tested in the hereafter.

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This is a hard question for Muslims to answer. The Qur'an states the Tawrat, Zabur and Injeel are all the word of Allah. But how can the word of Allah be changed? Did he want it changed? And if the books which came before the Qur'an were changed, how can we know for sure the Qur'an will not be changed? 

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8 minutes ago, Guest Tailong said:

This is a hard question for Muslims to answer. The Qur'an states the Tawrat, Zabur and Injeel are all the word of Allah. But how can the word of Allah be changed? Did he want it changed? And if the books which came before the Qur'an were changed, how can we know for sure the Qur'an will not be changed? 

The Quran also explicitly states that:

1- Allah will protect it from temperament, unlike previous scriptures. I'm certain there are no verses in previous scriptures which specifically state God will protect them from corruption

2- Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) is the last prophet; previous scriptures didn't say that there would be no more prophets after this. That means, this was God's final revelation to mankind until Judgement Day.

Given that it's the complete religion revealed through the last prophet, it makes sense that this time, the true message is incorruptible, and those who seek it will be able to access it. No matter how hard we search, we can never know the original words of previous scriptures, nor do we truly need to.

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3 hours ago, Guest Tailong said:

This is a hard question for Muslims to answer. The Qur'an states the Tawrat, Zabur and Injeel are all the word of Allah.

Quran makes it clear that previous scriptures has been tempered with and also it can be proven. 

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On 2/5/2021 at 7:54 PM, Guest Tailong said:

And if the books which came before the Qur'an were changed, how can we know for sure the Qur'an will not be changed? 

At this stage the Qur'an is so widely memorized, stored and documented that it would not be realistic to change it without it being noticed.

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I am still unsure where all such traditions came from:

There are verses about tahrif in our Sunni brothers’ hadith corpus as well (e.g. Quran being eaten by a goat etc.). They at least believe all 7 ahruf are valid and authentic but from what I’ve read we believe the Qur’an was revealed in 1 style only (hafs or a different form entirely).

Is it necessary that for a religion to be true the scripture has to be 100% preserved? 

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