Jump to content
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!) ×
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!)
In the Name of God بسم الله

My Shia Brothers! Respond to this attack on our scholars reciting Qur'an!

Rate this topic


Recommended Posts

  • Veteran Member

:salam:

Please respond to this video. 

Also, I was wondering if there is any prohibition on reciting the Qur'an in a melodious voice based on this hadith, hence why the voices sound so dull^?

Quote

 

Ali Bin Muhammad, from Ibrahim Al Ahmad, from Abdullah Bin Hammad, from Abdulla Bin Sinan, (It has been narrated)

from Abu Abdullah (عليه السلام) having said: ‘Rasool-Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said: ‘Recite the Quran with the tone of the Arabs and their voices; and beware of the immoral people and the people (committing) major sins, for there would be coming a group of people after me (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), they would be repeating (Verses) of the Quran like the repetition of the songs, and the lamentations, and the monks, not exceeding their throats. Their hearts would be inverted along with the hearts of the ones amazed by their affair’.8

Al Kafi V 2 – The Book Of Merits of the Quran CH 9 H 3

 

https://www.hubeali.com/articles/MusicAndSinging.pdf

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

I don’t think it is a secret that Ahluh Sunnah are superior to Shia when it comes to the Quran—including recitation. The average Sunni lay person will have better tajweed than a high ranking Shia scholar. I am not sure why that is, but generally Sunnis have more emphasis on the Quran than Shias so this may be why, but Allah knows best.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Veteran Member
15 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

:salam:

Please respond to this video. 

Also, I was wondering if there is any prohibition on reciting the Qur'an in a melodious voice based on this hadith, hence why the voices sound so dull^?

https://www.hubeali.com/articles/MusicAndSinging.pdf

The video is considered an eye wash or camouflage to dodge an average man from the truth that how Saudi rulers manipulate the facts by their agents preparing such propaganda  videos. What is the evidence that voices have not been tampered from actual ones? 

The extremist sunni of Saudia keep the quran as book like the other books in their feet for reading without any respect  for the words of quran. Then they go themselves  against the verses of quran. like the examples of killing all their opponents in the name of Islam, like they have done with Ayatullah Nimr and their companions. What they done to Adnan khasogi? A list of endless crimes is evident. They support terrorism  of ISIS and Daesh because they are their wahabi / salafi companions. 

Their ulema allow the opening of halal casino and bars for drinking in KSA. These are evident facts. The most recent can be given with the verses of Quran as below:

Qur'aan - 5:51

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ

5:51  O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for your allies: they are but allies of one another and whoever of you allies himself with them becomes, verily, one of them; behold, God does not guide such evildoers. 

And KSA has complete Plan to make ties with Israel going against all the above verses like UAE, Bahrain and other gulf countries.

This is the reason such videos are necessary for them to keep an average muslim away from the truth.

Edited by Muslim2010
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Veteran Member
36 minutes ago, 786:) said:

Sunnis have more emphasis on the Quran than Shias

I wish that we also talked more about the Quran and beautiful stories of the Prophets (عليه السلام) (I have made a few threads on such topics). I also love listening to the events in the lives of the Imams (عليه السلام) but generally speaking I think we need to emphasise more on other aspects like learning Tawheed in-depth, stories of the Prophets (عليه السلام), less represented Imams (عليه السلام), improving Tajweed in terms of Quran and matching our accent to the original arab accent (based on something I read). I feel that whilst some of our respected scholars may not have Arab accents they are well versed in esoteric and spiritual aspects of the Qur’an. We are not a school of literalism and merely the exoteric aspects of Islam. 

That being said I wouldn’t say the remembrance of the Qur’an is completely absent from the Shi’a world. For example, the Islamic Republic of Iran holds a yearly Qur’an competition:

Quote

Winners of the two categories of the contest, as well as international Quran competitions for women, the visually-impaired, seminary students and school students were announced and awarded at the ceremony.

The panel of judges announced Salman Amrullah from Indonesia as the top winner in the recitation category.

The runner-up was Iran’s Mehdi Gholamnejad and Mohammad Reza Salman from Iraq, Ahmed Mir Abdul Aziz from Egypt and Wan Ainuddin Helmi from Malaysia came third to fifth respectively.

In memorization, Mohamamd Javad Moradi from Iran bagged the top prize. The other top winners in this category were Abdoli Tawfiq from Algeria, Ahmed Badreddin Hamami from Syria, Ahmed Osama from Mauritania, and Akram bin Zakaria al-Balghuti from Tunisia.

As for the other four competitions, Maryam Shafiei from Iran was announced the winner of the contest for women, while al-Sayyed Hamdir Ibrahim from Egypt came first in the memorization of the entire Quran for the visually-impaired.

In the Quran competition for school students, Zainab Aminpour from Iran came first in memorization for girls, Abdul Alim Abdul Rahim Mohammad Haji from Kenya went home with the top prize in memorization for boys and Amir Hossein Rahmati from Iran bagged the top prize in recitation of the Quran.

The international Quran competitions had started in Iran on Wednesday with the participation of Quran reciters and memorizers from 84

https://iqna.ir/en/news/3468312/winners-of-iran-int’l-quran-competitions-awarded


This brother from Iran - Amin Pouya- won first prize at an international competition in India:

These extreme Sunnis (which give a bad representation to our respected Sunni brothers) who run Anti Majos Productions try to imply we have some sort of genetic defect, or due to our Shirk we have been deprived from the ability to learn the Qur’an, and some of them say that even if we are somehow able to learn the Qur’an it will be from a Sunni. It’s similar to how Hitler dehumanised the Jews, these people really hate us. Let’s see how far pride and hatred gets them in terms of their spirituality, and let’s work on bettering ourselves, our homes and subsequently our communities inshaAllah. 

May Allah bless you

:ws:

Edited by 313_Waiter
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member
5 hours ago, 786:) said:

@Muslim2010 please tell me what you disagree with? Pray behind a Sunni (if your ego allows) and pray behind a Shia—the Sunni Imam’s Tajweed will blow away the Shia Imam’s tajweed.

 

My quran teacher of 2 years now (Shia)  and from Iran has an amazing voice. He can do multiple different recitations even similar to Abdul basit. The only thing is many of the times during salat he just uses a normal voice and melody which is fine. I do agree with you in a sense yes there are a lot of Shia that just recite normal even at my local mosque. tajweed is more important than the sound/tone. 
 

if some Shia overseas put more effort in quran rather than latmiyat surely we would stand high in quran recitation lol xD

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member
5 hours ago, 786:) said:

@Muslim2010 please tell me what you disagree with? Pray behind a Sunni (if your ego allows) and pray behind a Shia—the Sunni Imam’s Tajweed will blow away the Shia Imam’s tajweed.

 

There’s a Sunni qari (Egyptian) that comes to my local Shia mosque during Ramadan every year. Mashallah amazing voice. Also  someone who doesn’t care where I pray there are Sunni masjid that pray with normal tone melody but all with good tajweed. 

Edited by AliTanjiro
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Veteran Member
4 hours ago, AliTanjiro said:

My quran teacher of 2 years now (Shia)  and from Iran has an amazing voice. He can do multiple different recitations even similar to Abdul basit.

I heard from somewhere that qari basit’s son became Shia after seeing a dream but then someone was saying this is a false story.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

Let us change this thread to explore the beautiful Quranic recitations by Shia Brothers and scholars. Because this video is not even worth responding. In case of Ayatullah Muhammad al Sadr (May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) be pleased with him), his part is cleared fast-forwarded to make it appear like he is doing prayers with huge speed. As of  Ayatullah al Bahjat, these maniacs should learn something from him instead of making fun. Crying out of fear of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) during prayers is actually a sign of high spiritual status. Whenever I see that clip of Hazrat Bahjat, it tears me up. 

In the prayers, short Chapters are recited so that the most ill and the most weak person standing in the prayers doesn't feel difficulty. Also, the speed is maintained for the similar reasons.

Some videos of beautiful quran recitation:

 

 

This blind person is a great example of Qirat:

 

This one is breath taking:

And all these are '[edited out]', 'Rafidha' by the way. :blabla:

Adding to this Rafidha thing:

If people know urdu here, below is a recitation by Nadeem Sarwar, a great Nauha reciter of Pakistan:

'Mai Kafir hoon'

(I am a Kafir)

Abu Jehlo ka dushman hu, Abu Talib ka zakir hu

(An enemy of Abu Jehels and a dhakir of Abu Talib)

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest guestshia
15 hours ago, Zainuu said:

Let us change this thread to explore the beautiful Quranic recitations by Shia Brothers and scholars. Because this video is not even worth responding. In case of Ayatullah Muhammad al Sadr (May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) be pleased with him), his part is cleared fast-forwarded to make it appear like he is doing prayers with huge speed. As of  Ayatullah al Bahjat, these maniacs should learn something from him instead of making fun. Crying out of fear of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) during prayers is actually a sign of high spiritual status. Whenever I see that clip of Hazrat Bahjat, it tears me up. 

In the prayers, short Chapters are recited so that the most ill and the most weak person standing in the prayers doesn't feel difficulty. Also, the speed is maintained for the similar reasons.

Some videos of beautiful quran recitation:

 

This blind person is a great example of Qirat:

 

This one is breath taking:

And all these are '[edited out]', 'Rafidha' by the way. :blabla:

Adding to this Rafidha thing:

If people know urdu here, below is a recitation by Nadeem Sarwar, a great Nauha reciter of Pakistan:

'Mai Kafir hoon'

(I am a Kafir)

Abu Jehlo ka dushman hu, Abu Talib ka zakir hu

(An enemy of Abu Jehels and a dhakir of Abu Talib)

That's all well and good brother but it doesn't answer the original question. 

Why don't our Ayatollahs and Grand Ayatollahs follow the rules of reciting the Quran?

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Veteran Member

نماز جماعت صبح به امامت آیت الله العظمی سبحانی حرم مطهر امام رضا ع - مشهد مقدس

The congregational prayer of Fajr Lead by Grand Ayatullah Subhani at  Shrine of Imam Reza (عليه السلام).

Mashad 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnA8SESVv0Y

Edited by Muslim2010
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

I am not going to waste my time watching a video from nasibis. But to give some context to the subject being talked about: according to wikipedia only about 19% of shias are arabs:

gsurmNx.png

 

I dont think its strange that arabs speak their own language better than non arabs. Not to say that tajweed is not important, but its not so strange for a foreigner not to be able to speak the language as good as the natives. That does not make you a bad muslim likewise, reciting the holy Quran perfectly at dhuhr and decapitating some poor muslim from the "wrong sect" at maghrib does not make you a good muslim.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

You have Amer Al Kadhimi, Sheikh Maytham Al Tammar, Ahmed Al Dabbagh, Shahryar Parhizgar, Qassem Redhei'i, Jawad Banohi Tusi, Mahdi Siaf Zadeh, Mustafa Al Sarraf, Muhammad Ali Dehdeshti, Mohammad Hossein Sa'eediyan, 'Abdul Kabeer Haidari, Kareem Mansouri, Usama Al Karbala'i, 'Adel Al Karbala'i, Sayyed Haidar Al Ghalibi, Mohammad Reza Pourzargari, Mu'taz Agha'i, Hamed Shakernejad, Muhammad Jawad Hosseini, Seyyed Jafar Fadlullah has a nice voice but doesn't recite much, Mustafa Shqeir... And list goes on and on.

We have many great great reciters, and we should put more effort into sharing their names. Though I will admit that I have not seen many of our high ranking scholars reciting Quran with proper tajwid, but they don't recite much publicly in general, and if they do, it's in Salah which I'm not sure if you should recite with tajweed in Salah. If they should, then ig it's a bit disappointing to not have proper tajweed (not even just accent, I'm talking about rules such as idgham and whatnot), though Imam Khamenei is decent. Doesn't really matter though; if they would rather spend their time studying fiqh and aqeeda, we need them for that more than tajweed, which anyone can learn in relatively little time (maybe a few years to get perfect, whereas fiqh and aqeeda will require a lifetime).

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

Some more places to find Shia reciters:

Here's an Iranian channel (has Sunni reciters too, but many many Shia reciters): https://youtube.com/channel/UCFpNUuAOgR2m5ph4wWVWmEw

Here's a Lebanese channel (to my knowledge all the reciters here are Shia): https://youtube.com/c/forqanchannel

Here's a playlist (the last few minutes of each video is a recitation, assuming the episode is focussed about a guy who is a reciter, just look for the word القارئ in the title or try random videos and see, whereas the episodes focussed around girls won't have):

 

Edited by 7ssein
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member
15 hours ago, Guest guestshia said:

Why don't our Ayatollahs and Grand Ayatollahs follow the rules of reciting the Quran?

The video above is a mockery. Obviously, when the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) came with The Holy Quran, these so called arabs who talk about tajweed today mocked him as lier, story teller, poet etc etc. Attacked him through all means. 

While the first companions who were extremely devout like Hazrat Bilal, Hazrat Ammar Yasir had problems with pronuoncing Arabic.

We know that Hazrat Bilal used to say 'Ashadu-annah' instead of 'Ashhadu-annah'. So, will the4th mock Hazrat Bilal now whose voice was one of the most loved voice by the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).

As for the Ayatullahs, the claim is completely baseless.

I already answered that.

Recitation of Ayatullah Bahjat of al Qadr while crying is due to Zuhd and Taqwa. All these arabic professors can recite everything nicely but where is there zuhd and taqwa. They are mocking the recitation of Quran of another muslim and making a video about it. Where is the Zuhd? Where is taqwa? Where is character?

Maybe they are missing this hadith. These nawasib will see there actions on the day of judgement inshallah.

For Ayatullah Muhammad al Sadr, they fast forwarded the video to make it look like he is reciting with extreme speed.

For Ayatullah Makarem Shirazi, It was absolute non-sense. Where is the mistake? Where is the issue? How is Surah al Nasr recited? 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

One interesting thing is that before the battle with the Khwarij. Imam Ali(عليه السلام) was walking with his companion when they heard a beautiful recitation of the Quran being recited out loud from a house to which his companion praised the reciter's skills. After the battle, Imam Ali(عليه السلام) called out to his companion and pointed towards a corpse and told His companion that this is the man who fought with the Khwarij against us and is the one who was reciting the Quran earlier.

Prophet(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said that there will be men in the end days who will have a better sujood than most people of the Ummah yet nothing but Hell will await them. Who are these people? Take a guess.

The only thing that matters is your deeds, nothing else. I read Quran in the most broken arabic possible but my words are being taken perfectly upstairs by the angels. It doesn't mean I stop trying my best, It means I don't have to worry about anything. Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) isn't cruel that He(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) would punish people for tiny things. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 2 weeks later...
  • 2 weeks later...
  • Advanced Member

It is so childish of the video maker that he is making fun about how other reads Quran. kids use to do this in madressa to tease each other, when a person is mature he she knows that reading Quran is important but more important is to follow it.

 

sunnis should be ashamed of them self actually to consider muawiyah and his alike to be blessed. they have really not understood Quran if they consider muawiya as their hero.

 

sorry for you guys. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...