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Servants of God in 17:5??

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Verse 17:5) So when the promise for the first of the two came, We sent over you Our servants, of mighty prowess, so they went to and fro among the houses, and it was a promise to be accomplished.

From Tafsir al Mizan:

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When the time of the first promise that We had made came about—for the first of your two mischiefs—We dispatched and raised against you servants of Ours who were of great retributive prowess from among the
people. They entered your land by force and through seizure, went right into the middle of your homes, subjected you, and seized your independence, greatness and sovereignty. This was a promise to be accomplished, without any escape from it.

There is no harm in deeming their coming to the Israelites—along with all the killing, devastation, enslavement, imprisonment, plundering and destruction that it brought about—to be divinely sent because it was by way of punishment for their mischief in the land, their haughtiness, and their unwarranted transgressions. Thus God was not unfair to them in sending their enemies to them and supporting their enemies against them. Rather [it was] they who had wronged themselves. Based on the above, one cannot argue that terms like “We sent” and “servants” show that these were believers; that is, We commanded “a believing people” to fight and wage holy war against you. There is no problem in attributing this act [of sending] to God so long as it is a means of punishment. Similarly, there is no problem in calling the unbelievers “God’s servants” especially when they are described as “of mighty prowess.”


 

Further from history, one of the 'servants' that is interpreted is:

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However, it is almost certain to the scholars [of hadith and history] that one of the two punishments talked about in the verse refers to Nebuchadnezzar’s conquest, who was the kings of Babylon approximately six centuries BC. Nebuchadnezzar was a powerful and infuential king and one of the tyrants of his time. He used to support the Israelites, but they disobeyed and rebelled against him. Thus he advanced on them with armies that they could not resist, besieged their cities and conquered them by force. He ruined the cities and destroyed the Farthest Mosque [that is, the Temple], burned the Torah and the scriptures of the prophets, and wiped people out through genocide. No one remained of them except for a tiny minority of women, children and weak men, whom he took prisoner and drove with him to Babylon. They stayed there with no one to defend or protect them throughout Nebuchadnezzar’s lifetime, until Cyrus, one of the great Persian kings, attacked Babylon, conquered it, and showed lenience toward the Israelite prisoners.

 

In the above verse, did these 'servants of Allah ((سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى))' who came for destruction of Israelites, do there act in obedience of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)? I mean, they literally committed genocides and destroyed even Bait ul Muqaddas. So, was it in obedience of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)? 

What would be the fate of such servants who did killing and genocide of people? They themselves were no believers or anything.

Thoughts?

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:salam:
 

2 hours ago, Zainuu said:

do there act in obedience of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)?

 

Salaam Enlightening Commentary mentions the grave crimes of the Israelites:

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Surah Isra’ – Verse 4

وَقَضَيْنَآ إِلَي بَنِي إِسْرَآئِيلَ فِي الْكِتَابِ لَتُفْسِدُنَّ فِي الاَرْضِ مَرَّتَيْنِ وَلَتَعْلُنَّ عُلُوّاً كَبِيراً

4. “And We declared unto the Children of Israel in the Book (the Torah, saying): “Certainly you will make mischief on the earth twice, and certainly you will seek self-superiority with great arrogance’.”

Alluding to parts of the adventurous history of the Children of Israel in this verse, He says:

“And We declared unto the Children of Israel in the Book (the Torah, saying): “Certainly you will make mischief on the earth twice, and certainly you will seek self-superiority with great arrogance’.”

The Qur’anic word, /’al ’ard/ (the land), symmetrical to the subsequent verse, is meant the Holy land of Palestine where Masjid-ul-’Aqsa is located.

The issue of ‘making mischief on the earth twice’ might probably be related to the two occasions of the Children of Israel: Once to the martyrdom of Sho’aia and the opposition of Armia, and the second occasion is concerned with the murder of Zakaryya and Yahya.

There are, of cause, other possibilities also mentioned in connection with the subject which will be referred to in the discussions following the ensuing verses.

Paradise will belong to those who abstain from arrogance, and distance themselves from every kind of insolence; it does not pertain to the ones who regard themselves as superior to others.

Surah Al-Qasas, No. 28, verse 83 says:

“That is the abode of the Hereafter…”

 

Surah Isra’ – Verse 5

فإِذَا جَآءَ وَعْدُ اُولاَهُمَا بَعَثْنَا عَلَيْكُمْ عِبَاداً لَنَآ اُوْلِي بَأْسٍ شَدِيدٍ فَجَاسُوا خِلاَلَ الدّ‌ِيَارِ وَكَانَ وَعْداً مَّفْعُولاً

5. “So when the promise for the first of the two came to pass, We raised against you some of powerful servants of Ours, given to terrible warfare, so it was they searched inside the houses thoroughly; and a promise to be fulfilled.”

The extermination of the unruly oppressors is one of Allah’s ways of treatment. 

The Qur’an says:

“So when the promise for the first of the two came to pass, We raised against you some of powerful servants of Ours…”

Certainly, there is always somebody who has the upper hand. The Children of Israel initiated a rebellion; the Almighty made other groups dominate them who were superior to them.

To provide power to put down the unruly ones and the rebellions, as well as the withdrawal of security from them, is a decent performance even if a house-to-house search might be required. Thus, all the Divine prophecies will definitely be accomplished fully. 

The verse says:

“…given to terrible warfare, so it was they searched inside the houses thoroughly; and a promise to be fulfilled.”

Therefore, dealing in the previous noble verse with these two great vices and the ensuing happenings which are the consequences of them as the Divine chastisement, He proclaims: 

When the occasion for the first promise arrives and you engage in corruption, bloodshed, tyranny and crime, We shall send over to you a powerful group, combatant, and belligerent so as to pound you, hence, punishing you for your behavior.

This belligerent people invade you in such a manner that for finding even a single one of you, they undertake a house-to-house search mission. And this promise is a decisive one which would be unavoidable and not to be broken.

 


 

2 hours ago, Zainuu said:

However, it is almost certain to the scholars [of hadith and history] that one of the two punishments talked about in the verse refers to Nebuchadnezzar’s conquest

From The Study Qur’an:

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The commentators do not agree about which events in Israelite history are being referenced in this verse; some identify the leader of the servants of Ours whom God sent against the Israelites as Goliath, Sennacherib, or Nebudchadnezzar (Q, R, Z). Some commentators, however, suggest that the identity of those sent against the Israelites is not significant; what is important is the concept that such a fate befell the Israelites at times of collective moral and spiritual failing (IK, R). That they ravaged your dwellings is explained by some as referring to the plundering of homes and wealth and the destruction of sacred objects, including the desecration of the Temple, the burning of the Torah, and the killing of those trained to read it (IK, R, Z), as well as taking the remaining Israelites into captivity (R). That it was a promise fulfilled indicates that it was a fate decreed by God that could not be avoided (R)

 

2 hours ago, Zainuu said:

They themselves were no believers or anything.

Muḥammad ibn Jarīr al-Ṭabarī (d. 310/923) interprets 39:53 to address all of humanity (although initially revealed for a group of people:

O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning do not despair of the mercy of Allah, Indeed, Allah forgives all sins Indeed, it is He who is the most Forgiving (39:53)

 

This hadith offers an interesting interpretation relating to end times but we need to remember the Qur’an has many layers:

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A number of our companions, from Sahl Bin Ziyad, from Muhammad Bin Al-Hassan Bin Shammoun, from Abdullah Bin Abdul Rahmaan Al-A’asam, from Abdullah Bin Al-Qasim Al-Batl, who has narrated the following: Abu Abdullah (عليه السلام) regarding the Words of the Exalted: And We Decreed to the Children of Israel in the Book: “You will make mischief in the land twice [17:4], he (عليه السلام) said: ‘The killing of Ali (عليه السلام) Bin Abu Talib (عليه السلام) and the stabbing of Al-Hassan (عليه السلام)’. and you will declare haughtiness, greatness (for yourselves)!” [17:4], he (عليه السلام) said: ‘The killing of Al-Husayn (عليه السلام)’.

 

So when the first of the two Promises came [17:5] - So when the help comes for (avenging) the blood of Al-Husayn (عليه السلام) , We Sent against you a servant of Ours with mighty prowess, and they ravaged the houses, being a people whom Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will be Sending before the coming out of Al-Qaim (عليه السلام), they will not leave an enemy of the Progeny (عليه السلام) of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) except that they will kill him, and it was always a Promise to be accomplished [17:5] - This is the coming of Al-Qaim (عليه السلام) .

 

 

Then We Returned the prevalence to you over them [17:6] - This is the coming of Al-Husayn (عليه السلام) and seventy of his (عليه السلام) companions who will be wearing protective helmets. For each of the helmets would be two facets to demonstrate to the people that this is indeed Al-Husayn (عليه السلام) who has come out, until the Momineen would have no doubts about it, and that he (عليه السلام) is neither Al-Dajjalla, nor Satanla, and Al-Hujjat AlQaim (عليه السلام) would in their midst.

 

 

So when the recognition would be settled in the hearts of the Momineen that he (عليه السلام) is indeed Al-Husayn (عليه السلام), the death will come to Al-Hujjat (عليه السلام). So the one (عليه السلام) who would be washing him (عليه السلام), and shrouding him (عليه السلام), and embalming him (عليه السلام), and burying him (عليه السلام) in his (عليه السلام) grave would be Al-Husayn Bin Ali (عليه السلام) , as no one follows the successor (عليه السلام) except for the successor (عليه السلام)’

 

Al Kafi – V 8 H 14698

 

 

https://hubeali.com/books/English-Books/TafseerHub-e-Ali/CH17_SuraAlIsraa_Verses2-35.pdf#page4

 

From Tafseer al Qummi (similar interpretation):

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“And We had made known to the children of Israel in the Book...” (Surah Isra 17:4)

Then He stops addressing Bani Israel and says to the Ummah of Muhammad:

“Most certainly you will make mischief in the land twice...” (Surah Isra 17:4)

That is so and so and so and so and their companions, who have broken the pledge they gave to you.

“...and most certainly you will behave insolently with great insolence.” (Surah Isra 17:4)

That is: They claimed Caliphate.

“So when the promise for the first of the two came...” (Surah Isra 17:5)

That is: In the battle of Jamal.

“We sent over you Our servants of mighty prowess...” (Surah Isra 17:5)

That is: Amirul Momineen (a) and his followers.

“...so they went to and fro among the houses...” (Surah Isra 17:5)

That is: They found you and exterminated you all.

“...and it was a promise to be accomplished.” (Surah Isra )17:5

That is: This promise is going to be fulfilled.

6- Then We gave you back the turn to prevail against them, and aided you with wealth and children and made you a numerous band.

“Then We gave you back the turn to prevail against them...” (Surah Isra 17:6)

That is: Bani Umayyah overpowered Aale Muhammad (a) and were cruel upon them.

“...and aided you with wealth and children and made you a numerous band.” (Surah Isra 17:6)

That is: Imams Hasan and Husain (a), the two sons of Imam Ali (a) and their followers helped you; Imam Husain bin Ali (a) was martyred and the ladies of Aale Muhammad (a) were taken as prisoners (Noorus Thaqlayn, Vol. 3, Pg. 138.).

https://hubeali.com/books/English-Books/TafseerQummi/TafsirQummi-Vol3.pdf

 


Hope that helped 

 

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