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Aisha disliking Imam Ali

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28 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Yes exactly, according to Hamza Yusuf, Aisha transmits approximately 1/3 of the religion of Islam for Sunnis...watch this video...it's 10 minutes long...it's about Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) marrying Aisha and marriageable age and age of consent in US states...I have mixed feelings about this clip...I agree with what he says about marriageable age and Islamic law, Jewish law etc...but then he flips reality on its head in order to justify Aisha's transgressions...he mentions Aisha conveying 1/3 of the religion at 4:40   

 

Yes. This was a bit extreme. Many shia scholars attack Ahl as Sunnah about this praise of janaabe Aisha. They say, "Many times just in order to elevate thed status of the companions, Ahl as Sunnah decrease the status of the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)."

All this 'smartness' of Aisha is one among the many examples about this devaluing the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). In this video, he is saying that "Aisha was so smart that she even disagreed with Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) at many instances". As if it is something praiseworthy? 

And I also have disagreement with the age of Aisha during marriage. This is not true. Her age was approx. 17-19 years. The IP guy actually proved it. And she might be sharp and witty but she was also full of arrogance at the same time. History has clear-cut proofs of her arrogance and ego. And this partiality with one of the many Azwaaj is actually because the Sunni madhab depends a lot on Aisha. Or why don't they praise the other wives. Hazrat Umm Salma (رضي الله عنه), Hazrat Khadeeja (عليه السلام), Hazrat Zainab (رضي الله عنه). Wives of the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) were extremely pious and honorable women. Why only the honor of Aisha matters? Why she gets so much limelight while others are not even named?

They always blame us that we insult wives and companions. Those companions and wives who were unjust in there conduct and acted wrongly towards other companions are the ones criticised by Shias.

What was the fate of Abudhar Ghiffari (رضي الله عنه), why don't they mention him? What happened to Salman (رضي الله عنه)? What about Ammar Yasir (رضي الله عنه)? What about Miqdad (رضي الله عنه)? 

Were there only a few companions like Umar, Abu Bakr, Uthman etc?

If we even talk about companions (which we should talk about), the great companions of Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) are never mentioned much by the Ahl As Sunnah.

If we talk about wives, only one or two out of 11 wives are discussed but no mention of the others. 

Isn't this an insult to the companions and the wives?

I mean we should hold respect for the wife who disobeyed Quran and went to Basra because she was a so called 'intellectual' and all the other wives who were virtuous, pious and god fearing are never discussed.

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1 hour ago, theEndIsNear said:

God isn’t driven by emotion , that would be like u being affected by actions of ants , or do u hate a lion cause it kills a hyena or giraffe, ur not effected by actions of animals 

neither is God by us no matter how bad the action is 

That is a system Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has set in the nature and also these animals don't have intellect like us. We have been commanded to obey certain personalities and they have been made authority over us. Loving them is loving Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and fighting them is fighting Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). 

Nothing can drive God but he certainly has a system in place, which also includes love and hate. We should hate the wrong and wrongdoers. If everyone is equal and there is only rainbow and unicorn then what is the need for Day of Judgment, Sirat, Meezan, Jannat, Jahannam. 

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5 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Yes exactly, according to Hamza Yusuf, Aisha transmits approximately 1/3 of the religion of Islam for Sunnis...watch this video...it's 10 minutes long...it's about Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) marrying Aisha and marriageable age and age of consent in US states...I have mixed feelings about this clip...I agree with what he says about marriageable age and Islamic law, Jewish law etc...but then he flips reality on its head in order to justify Aisha's transgressions...he mentions Aisha conveying 1/3 of the religion at 4:40   

 

Exactly it’s brainwashing from an early young age to the point that they can’t tell the truth anymore and to the point that these individuals even supersede the Quran and God to the sunnis 

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4 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

That is a system Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has set in the nature and also these animals don't have intellect like us. We have been commanded to obey certain personalities and they have been made authority over us. Loving them is loving Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and fighting them is fighting Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). 

Nothing can drive God but he certainly has a system in place, which also includes love and hate. We should hate the wrong and wrongdoers. If everyone is equal and there is only rainbow and unicorn then what is the need for Day of Judgment, Sirat, Meezan, Jannat, Jahannam. 

Read the Hadith from the imams about attributing emotions to God is pretty much shirk because many verses in the Quran say nothing moved Him etc He isn’t affected by action of anything , nothing  effects him , so why do u think something we do would? Think about it something that effects something else is got control over it by indirect interface and God isn’t controlled by anything , think about what your saying it’s shirk

dont create ur own god u must follow what Quran says and it says Nothing effects or moves Him not even actions of humans even the worst ones like killing of imams 

God isn’t human does not react or act or behave like us , I know it’s hard to see that cause human experience is all we have at least don’t go against the Quran which says He isn’t affected or moved by anything 

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On 2/6/2021 at 9:31 AM, Ansar Shiat Ali said:

Lol here is a video of one of your scholars admitting it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM4PklM7IPQ

2. You didn't explain the hadith what so ever. The hadith was cut down and played with by Bukhari, Muslim, And Ahmed Ibn Hanbel. Now, bring me an explanation from a scholar explaining why they played with the Hadith. 

Ma salama.

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Who cares what one scholars of Sunni madhab says?? Ascribing this thing to the entire Ahlal-Sunnah is the biggest fallacy here. You do know within your heart that the Ahlal-Sunnah love Ahlal-Bayt (Alayhisalam). We love the beloved family of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu'alayhiwassalam) and we can sacrifice our lives for them. Imam Ali (Radhi'allahu'anhu) is our beloved caliph and beloved leader. We love him and we can sacrifice our lives for him. So you are claiming that Ahlal-Sunnah "hate" Imam Ali (Radhi'allahu'anhu) but still regard him as caliph? Your claims are ridiculous and funny.

"You didn't explain the hadith what so ever."

I did explain it properly. You are a kind of person who puts his fingers in ears and does not want to listen or understand.

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3 hours ago, Yousuf said:

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Who cares what one scholars of Sunni madhab says?? Ascribing this thing to the entire Ahlal-Sunnah is the biggest fallacy here. You do know within your heart that the Ahlal-Sunnah love Ahlal-Bayt (Alayhisalam). We love the beloved family of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu'alayhiwassalam) and we can sacrifice our lives for them. Imam Ali (Radhi'allahu'anhu) is our beloved caliph and beloved leader. We love him and we can sacrifice our lives for him. So you are claiming that Ahlal-Sunnah "hate" Imam Ali (Radhi'allahu'anhu) but still regard him as caliph? Your claims are ridiculous and funny.

"You didn't explain the hadith what so ever."

I did explain it properly. You are a kind of person who puts his fingers in ears and does not want to listen or understand.

Its in Musnad Abu Ya'la,

 

عن عائشة أنها قالت: وكان متاعي فيه خف وكان علي جمل ناج وكان متاع صفية فيه ثقل وكان علي جمل ثقال بطيء يتبطأ بالركب. فقال رسول الله صلي الله عليه وسلم: حولوا متاع عائشة علي جمل صفية وحولوا متاع صفية علي جمل عائشة حتي يمضي الركب. قالت عائشة: فلما رأيت ذلك قلت يا لعباد الله غلبتنا هذه اليهودية علي رسول الله. قالت: فقال رسول الله صلي الله عليه وسلم: يا أم عبد الله إن متاعك كان فيه خف وكان متاع صفية فيه ثقل فأبطأ بالركب فحولنا متاعها علي بعيرك وحولنا متاعك علي بعيرها.

قالت: فقلت: ألست تزعم أنك رسول الله؟ قالت: فتبسم قال: أو في شك أنت يا أم عبد الله؟ قالت: قلت: ألست تزعم أنك رسول الله؟ أفهلا عدلت؟ وسمعني أبو بكر وكان فيه غرب أي حدة فأقبل علي فلطم وجهي. فقال  رسول الله صلي الله عليه وسلم: مهلا يا أبا بكر. فقال: يا رسول الله أما سمعت ما قالت؟ فقال رسول الله صلي الله عليه وسلم: إن الغيري لا تبصر أسفل الوادي من أعلاه.

أبو يعلي الموصلي التميمي، أحمد بن علي بن المثني (المتوفی307 هـ)، مسند أبي يعلي، ج8، ص129
 

.So it has been proven that our mother Aisha did this

.Alhamdulillah you didn't explain the Hadith at all, you brought me your books saying that other Sahaba argued with each other

.I want the words of an actual scholar explaining that hadith

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3 hours ago, Yousuf said:

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Who cares what one scholars of Sunni madhab says?? Ascribing this thing to the entire Ahlal-Sunnah is the biggest fallacy here. You do know within your heart that the Ahlal-Sunnah love Ahlal-Bayt (Alayhisalam). We love the beloved family of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu'alayhiwassalam) and we can sacrifice our lives for them. Imam Ali (Radhi'allahu'anhu) is our beloved caliph and beloved leader. We love him and we can sacrifice our lives for him. So you are claiming that Ahlal-Sunnah "hate" Imam Ali (Radhi'allahu'anhu) but still regard him as caliph? Your claims are ridiculous and funny.

"You didn't explain the hadith what so ever."

I did explain it properly. You are a kind of person who puts his fingers in ears and does not want to listen or understand.

You claim you love Ahlulbyat (عليهم السلام) But you can't even send blessings on Rasul Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) properly. Alhamdulillah I love Ali (عليه السلام), and because of that love I hate the Fasiq Ibn al Fasiq Muawiya (la). I love Fatima (عليها السلام) and because of that love I don't like the person who threatened to burn her house down. Ma Salama

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5 hours ago, Yousuf said:

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Who cares what one scholars of Sunni madhab says?? Ascribing this thing to the entire Ahlal-Sunnah is the biggest fallacy here. You do know within your heart that the Ahlal-Sunnah love Ahlal-Bayt (Alayhisalam). We love the beloved family of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu'alayhiwassalam) and we can sacrifice our lives for them. Imam Ali (Radhi'allahu'anhu) is our beloved caliph and beloved leader. We love him and we can sacrifice our lives for him. So you are claiming that Ahlal-Sunnah "hate" Imam Ali (Radhi'allahu'anhu) but still regard him as caliph? Your claims are ridiculous and funny.

"You didn't explain the hadith what so ever."

I did explain it properly. You are a kind of person who puts his fingers in ears and does not want to listen or understand.

Don’t u understand these peoples actions (the usurpers) is the root cause of all problems today? The reason the ummah was divided into 72/73 groups?

r u happy with this ? You keep praising the people who destroyed Islam and think ur doing the prophet a service 

they killed his grandsons all of them these “caliphs” that is brushed aside by you as insignificant? 
 

thats what u sunnis don’t get, that’s what we’re talking about , while u guys r scared to touch history , , because when u do it starts to muddy all things Uve been told , and that scares u, and really show the true nature and face of people you revere , but u can’t just cut that off and say it was all happy go dandy and they all got along and blah blah there was difference but their all in heaven now , don’t you see how absurd that sounds ? Root causes is the result of the whole thing falling apart and Islamic empire and even Islam fell apart it was almost destroyed completely, and today all that’s left is bits and pieces of it still fighting each other 

u don’t see any significance there in that ? That’s just obnoxious and ignorant , u think this what remained today is perfect islam same islam that prophet taught and practised? Then why is everyone killing each other , Middle East is probably worst place today with most conflicts and issues between people most death most war most dictators most suffering most poor most beheadings most hate most ignorance most destroyed countries and cities most injustice , and majority of arabs are sunnis so who’s the blame the Shia? Look at Mecca it’s a joke today a money making scheme for the saudis , this is sunni islam ,what went wrong ?

is this ur idea of utopia?

what are sunnis know for today , taliban , al qaeda, isis , jabhat al nusra and other jihadi groups , and who are they making jihad against ? Predominantly muslims and arabs and Muslim countries, they never touch Israel ,  but behead as many muslims as possible destroy as many mosques as possible 

this ur idea of Islam? Saudi now allied with Israel and America all about money ? This is ur perfect islam ur perfect sunnah? The Jews are riding u guys unbelievably using you to do all their bidding, they always find some sunnis to destroy mosques and behead muslims 

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